Don't waste too much time on mean girls like the ones in that bluecheck's bait post.
Date nice girls instead.

You need to start seeing yourself as human as everyone else. It takes a while to get there.

>>34837342
There are studies that show the exact same thing she said. Nice guys finish last.

>>34837336
Imo you can be a nice guy (a nice person who is a man) and also create attraction for the woman. Simply have your own life and make her feel like she is coming on a ride with you, but you would have fun even without her.
Desperation kills female attraction. They don't want someone who needs them, they want someone who wants them. Too many men are in the desperation mindset/mode believing they desperately need a woman, but ironically that simply drives women away.

>>34837347
Why do you care about getting with the kind of woman who pays money to use Twitter? If I didn't know better, I'd say your Twitter screencap bait thread might not have been posted in good faith...

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>>34837336
You know what to do

>>34837336
The problem is that nobody really teaches men what a woman's attraction triggers are.
Your dad could teach you, but often times your dad is out of the picture/doesn't know himself.

A "Nice Guy" is someone who simply filters what he really thinks and hides what he really wants from the girl, because he thinks that he shouldn't make her uncomfortable/disrupt her.
What he doesn't realize is that the above is a massive turnoff for women.

Women refuse to say this, but women want strong, bold, wild guys that are not afraid to show that they desire them without being desperate, creepy, or needy about it.
95% of them do not ask out a man, they sit and wait for the man who has the balls to do the above.

The "Nice Guy" is too platonic, too friendly. He doesn't take risks, he doesn't go for the touch, he doesn't flirt, he doesn't bring up anything remotely sexual.

The more time you spend understanding and talking to women, the less you respect them and the more you respect men.
Most women are absolute cowards that are hard carried by their appearance.

>>34837336
If women are so unhappy with the results of feminism why aren't they doing anything to revert it?

>>34837446
To add on to this, when a girl says these things:
>"I hate you!"
>"You're so evil!"
>"Why are you like that?"

This actually means she likes you and you are spiking her emotions, which is exactly what you want.

The worst thing you can be to a girl you want to fuck is friendly, not hated.
Girls will fuck guys they hate, but never guys they see as friends.

OP, at some point you're going to have to learn the difference between a nice guy, and a good person.

>>34837446
>A "Nice Guy" is someone who simply filters what he really thinks and hides what he really wants from the girl,
You mean like how you're expected to do in your job? Filter your complaints and hide the fact you're only there for the wage?

The nice guy has had shit on his plate for a long time, like that nutjob from Falling Down. How do you fix a guy like that? Experts will just look the other way and say they should tag with other desperate people, so any harm done is never retributed.

>>34837470
A job and getting a girl are not the same thing.
To get a girl, you have to show her that you desire her in a non-needy, non-desperate, non-creepy way. That is the essence of teasing and flirting.
The Nice Guy thinks that showing a woman he desires her will make her uncomfortable and disturb her, so he doesn't do it because he thinks that's an inherently bad thing to do.

He sees other guys do it and get the girl - and because he thinks doing those things is bad - he labels those guys as assholes and jerks.

If a guy wants a girl, the girl has to feel some sort of sexual tension from you.
Sexual tension is risky at its core.
The Nice Guy will not take that risk, and thus, cannot generate attraction.

A lot of women also don't understand these things about themselves, so they'll say there's no "spark", no "chemistry", no "butterflies" - because women don't have to actually do anything - they just wait for the man that makes them feel that way.

When in reality, the guy that makes them feel that way is not "natural" - he just understands women and manufactures the attraction.

it has nothing to do with being “nice”
She just doesn’t find you attractive enough

>>34837336
I don't believe in labels like that. They are typically used in bad faith arguments and judgemental comments used to act pompous and vain.

>>34837520
>it has nothing to do with being “nice”
Yes it absolutely does

Female attraction is really not as physical as people try to make it out to be

Many great points so far in this thread. The question that remains is: what kind of women do nice guys get? the ones with a loose screw ofc

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>we almost felt guilty for not liking them because they were such good people
Aaaand she just revealed why nice guys are so heavily vilified. If you act too nice, from a woman’s perspective, it’s like you’re shaming them if they’re not attracted to you. Women feel shame more keenly than anyone, and will do anything to avoid that feeling. So instead of simply saying “I don’t like nice guys” they turn nice guys into the personification of Satan himself. Then they don’t have to feel shame (which their own brains manufactured) because they’re not rejecting a good person. They’re rejecting an evil, manipulative, pathetic nice guy. Then women start hyping each other up to hate nice guys, and in that way, the collective delusions of women becomes their truth.

>>34837583
Most guys are Nice Guys. It's why most men from ages 18-29 are single.

Nice Guys get women in their 30s who are screening as hard as they can for husband material.
The poor Nice Guy, who hasn't had any success with women in life, thinks this woman is a gift from Heaven and marries her and does everything he can to make her happy.

He doesn't realize the woman is using him to get the stability/husband/kids she wants, because she can't secure commitment from the guys she actually wants.

So dead bedrooms happen, women initiate 80% of all divorces (90% if college educated), and women screw the guys she actually desires on the side.

Nice Guys just get completely screwed at all stages of life.

There is a book called No More Mr. Nice Guy. I also suggest watching some of Owen Cooke's material.

>>34837446
This was a good post...until you broke down to the usual incel seethe at the end.

>>34837482
Another good post in this thread...until it all comes unglued at the end.
>When in reality, the guy that makes them feel that way is not "natural" - he just understands women and manufactures the attraction.
Except that is (or should be) the most natural thing in the world. That's just it- the "nice guy" is the one not being natural, because he is completely suppressing his instincts and furthermore he is doing it because (he thinks) it panders to the woman and will increase his odds when of course it won't. But it's not even HIS idea, as in what he wants to be doing.
>so they'll say there's no "spark", no "chemistry", no "butterflies"
And what is wrong with those descriptors? Sounds right on the money to me. I've used the same thing, "no chemistry" to describe a girl I just couldn't hit it off with and talking to her was like pulling teeth. With other women, I clicked right away. "Vibes" are definitely a thing. And autists hate to hear that.

>>34837845
nope, he's completely right

>>34837877
He's not but let's pretend that he is...women are not required to be non-cowards, so even if they are that's ok.
Men on the other hand...

>>34837336
"nice guy" is a bit of a misleading term. there's nothing wrong with being nice, it's just that you should be nice to women because they are people, you shouldn't be nice to them because you think it's a unique personality trait/it'll get you laid, when neither is the case.

but yeah like>>34837336 said don't fall over yourself for any women that you may be remotely interested in. if you're new to dating you'll find that a lot of women just think that being rude/bitchy makes them special. ignore them, and chances are the closer they look to a model the ruder/more superficial they'll be. just the way it is

>>34837446
I use to think I was incapable of doing the playful teasing stuff that girls like, but what I realized is that I already do that with people I know, it just takes time to feel people out and know their boundaries. Most people wear a nice guy mask during early interactions anyway, and there's is nothing abnormal about holding back when feeling out new people. Being nice may even be a filter for women who are really just looking for abusechads.

>>34837594
The demonization of nice guys is really just a cover for the fact that women prefer evil abusive men.

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>>34837336
I don't understand, what does being a nice or good guy even means? Being good is all their personality? Are they persons that like to make things? Are they inteligent friends?

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>>34838074
I want to argue that, though i don't really interact with average random girl or with anybody at all. I don't really think that women actually the equivalent as baddie to men, most of them probably just want to satisfy another kind of sexual satisfaction that has been in then since childhood. I know that childhood thing sound freud and therefore gay but look, they probably just act like we as men, they surely just follow what other girls told em about sex this and how sex is that.
Pic to make you more empathetic, i hate nana it makes me feel sad

"Nice" is just a euphemism for guys who are overly agreeable and eager to please. They act this way because they subconcsiously believe "if I give you what you want, you'll respond by giving me what I want," and often they are not forthcoming about their expectations or interests.

This behavior is often accompanied by indecisiveness because "nice" guys so frequently go with whatever other people want their ability to choose atrophies.

Both of these stem from a need to "smooth things over" because the "nice" guy is not comfortable with conflict. Whatever the reason may be for this inclination, it signals to everyone he is weak and unable / unwilling to assert himself.

Any one of these would be a deal killer for sane woman. But the Nice Guy usually has all these traits. It it any wonder they are walking pussy deflectors?

>>34837446
>The "Nice Guy" is too platonic, too friendly. He doesn't take risks, he doesn't go for the touch, he doesn't flirt, he doesn't bring up anything remotely sexual.
it really is just this.
>>34837520
and some of this.
>was attractive in college, but also raised by a devout catholic widow mother with only sisters
>one of the first girls I ever slept with gave me her number through a mutual friend after meeting at a house party
>we did a coffee date and walked around town for a few hours
>the most I did was move her by the shoulders so I could stand between her and the street
>asked her if I could kiss her with her head on my lap in her dorm the night we banged
>still inexperienced, i sucked during sex which was the last straw for her
point being if you're hot enough you can be veritably retarded and still fuck. if you're not hot and your dating tactics would please grandma it'll never happen.

>>34838167
How damn, that makes sense, thank you anon

>>34838167
This is still off because you're trying to frame it as if women are simply looking for balance which isn't the case. Women would still take an outright asshole abusechad over a guy who is reasonably upfront and isn't being fake to get pussy. All of this rationalizing and nice guy blaming is running away from that.

>>34838252
protip! bitterness and asspain are also really unattractive

>>34837865
>ew, um, did you just do a heckin incel?

>>34838298
you didn’t say he was wrong tho

>>34837431
Disgusting black creatures...
https://youtu.be/NucG0kD3pkg

>>34837336
Go my separate way, if a girl is saying I am a "nice guy" she isn't seriously considering the relationship.

If she is even in the mentality of casting you off as a meme at all, don't even fucking talk to her, that is a woman not ready for a real relationship.

>>34838298
The thing about nice guys is that its not always a matter of the man being too agreeable, sometimes the woman just wants a bad boy and will consider anything else too nice.

I'm all for encouraging men to be more assertive, but they also must understand that a lot of these women just want drama and toxic men. Trying to meet them at that level is just relinquishing your own peace and good character for pussy.

>>34838531
>I'm ready to settle down now meme is unronically true

>>34837336
This is a bait post probably written by a bot, but there's a difference between being nice and being kind.
Being nice is the bare minimum. Almost everyone is nice. The cashier wishing you a good day is being nice even though they're required to do it for their job. Your coworker lying to your boss to save both of your asses is being nice. The neighbor picking up their dog's poop instead of leaving it on the ground is being nice. This is how society runs smoothly and it's expected of everyone. You have to go out of your way not to be nice and seldom few people bother to do that. Being kind, on the other hand, is an actual personality trait; it's remarkable, it's uncommon, and it requires a hell of a lot more sustained(!) effort, and not just toward those you expect something from.
The issue is that people who can hardly manage being nice think it's something exceptional and worthy of praise. It becomes a means to an end - be nice enough to a woman and surely she'll have sex with you... right? But she won't, because there's nothing for her to work with. No common ground, no shared interests, no chemistry or humor or attraction, and certainly no impact. Nothing connects you to her.
Think of it in the context of having an acquaintance aren't attracted to. If you knew a woman who was a bit fat, smelled kind of weird, had a face you couldn't pick out of a crowd, and was otherwise boring, would you even think twice about her? Even if she greeted you each morning, treated you well, covered for you from time to time, or maybe even loaned you some gas money once, how much would you actually care? Would you want to date her? Marry her? Would you even want to fuck her? Probably not. If you found her especially unattractive you might even think she's creepy for existing in your general periphery.
Women have to be more careful than men in these matters, so a woman like that who's slightly below neutral to you is a man who's mildly offputting to her. It is what it is.

This bitch gets no engagement on her other tweets lol. Just a hole screaming into the bigger hole that is this uncaring bitch of a universe.

>>34837336
I'm an autistic retard and even I know that you need to become "bad guy". Now what does this mean? A "bad guy" is someone who will tease a woman, be more assertive to her basically be a bit dangerous, too much of danger and if you expect a relationship then you turn into a bad guy, this can also get you a relationship but woman who are attracted to them are bottom of the barrel, you know someone who is a bit of a jerk outside but on the inside he is a great guy. This is just the personality part of the equation, which might be enough, but don't forget the looks part, get in shape, don't go over board just make sure you got some muscles, dress better, get a new haircut. Even if you do all if these things it doesn't guarantee that you will find your ideal woman, you will most likely find a woman who is your equal in the looks/personality department.

>>34837336
>What should you do if you're a nice guy?
Just be nice to everyone but women you're attracted to

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>>34837336
Most women will not be able to figure out why they feel what they feel, they never even bother to think about it.
>What should you do if you're a nice guy?
Realize that you are presenting being "nice" as a fear-based automatic response, not as a genuine personality trait.

Realize that you're turning yourself into a doormat automatically to keep people around you in a neutral state or to make them happy, and this is not a good way for a man to conduct himself. Whereas a personality trait of niceness would be someone who lets out kindness when appropriate, but is still able to stay neutral and observant in the present moment.

Realize you're putting on a mask, you're not showing your real self therefore women won't be able to connect with you.

Understand that people in general can sense when you are being nice to keep the peace while being internally uncomfortable vs being nice to show appreciate while being internally comfortable.

Understand that as a man, women(even if they'll never admit it) view you as a main character who drives the story, not as a side character who reacts to their every move.

Understand that you need to think more highly for yourself first before you stop being a nice guy

>how to stop being a nice guy
1. Say no to things when you genuinely want to say no, and don't explain why.
2. Say what is on your mind without filtering it to not rattle people, expect that someone will be bothered by what you say and say it anyways.
3. Allow people to be disappointed. To truly hold on to your authentic self, you cannot hold on to other people's approval. Practice doing the things you want even if it disappoints people.
Keep doing this for years on end to escape nice guy syndrome. Then one day you'll realize you were nice to the waiter because they served you well and not because you were afraid of pissing them off. Also you'll stop caring what women say they want, and you'll get better results without you even realizing it.

>>34837336
Continue to be a nice guy. What the chick in OPs image truly doesn't like is when a guy goes overboard with his niceness. That becomes cringy. The chick also probably equates being nice with being weak, most foids like her do.
There are plenty of women who genuinely DO want a guy with a pleasant, kind personality. I would know, I am a so called "nice guy" and have dated several women who appreciated it and several that looked down on it.
As Hank Hill would say
>Find the right gril for you.

>>34837482
A Job is not the same as getting a girl, of course.

My point, the point everyone ignores, the pivot of asking for help is:
>People are getting fucked over by social paradigms.
And he question is
>How can these people who got fucked over be helped?

This sort of conversation fails because others like >>34837865 say
>Not my problem, have them stay fucked.

So filtering that group out, we reaffirm the question
>How can people who got fucked over by listening to good goy talk be resocialized into being desireable by women?
Any ideas?

Can someone genuinely help me? If my entire life I was barred by a nutjob family from interacting with others, was told shit to make myself believe superior to others, protected myself from the naturally incoming bullying by shutting off external input, dedicated fully to study and work until the reality check came that youth passed and this wasn't the path to a family, so got suicidal, got better but became more anhedonic than the average person, and now I genuinely want to know the spark of teasing but keep feeling the protective cringe and cynic reasoning, and there's nobody with the patience to show me the ropes or practice with, what should I do as a step in the right direction?

Therapy doesn't help in this precise case because The issue is not reasoning, I feel it's lack of knowledge and a training environment instead. What do you think?

>>34839416
there's therapy for that, too (cbt)

>>34839423
I told you cbt doesn't work because of the reasons I listed. They actually reinforce the "nice guy" bullshit by telling you to be rational, so you start judging with social norms in mind, but you feel like shit because that's obviously not working as intended. I have argued over and over that Normal people don't have to do that shit, that normal people learn from peers and trying at easy mode school playground.

The issue is, what's the equivalent of school playground for adults? The closest I have tried was going back to college, but I focused too hard on studying again so I ended up dropping out and didn't get too involved with friends, didn't get the girl (got oneitis'd again) and got setback regarding time and money.

>>34839416
>>34839469
Find out why you keep holding yourself back from talking to people and do inner child healing and let go of held beliefs.
If you don't want to do that then you can brute force practice at events/cons/concerts, fuck your embarrassment and cringe and just throw yourself into interactions
If you don't do any of the above then you're gonna stay stuck in the same place forever.

>>34838666
> well, covered for you from time to time, or maybe even loaned you some gas money once, how much would you actually care? Would you want to date her? Marry her? Would you even want to fuck her? Probably not.
First of all, yes I would, those traits literally make a woman more attractive and feminine.

Secondly, these behaviors are for friends and family, not random faggots. You absolutely will get humiliated and taken advantage of if you try to act like this without extremely good discernment and judgment, it's not a mission for the socially retarded folk.

>>34837365
he’s saying they’re all like that, regardless of if they use twitter or not

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>>34838666
>It is what it is.
Not if we do something about it

>>34839544
If you try to team up with other losers, you can be certain a fed will infiltrate you eventually. You won't do shit.

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>>34837446
>The more time you spend understanding and talking to women, the less you respect them and the more you respect men.
>Most women are absolute cowards that are hard carried by their appearance.

This isn't just dating. It's corporate America, your church, your gym, everything.They'll call you an incel for talking like this but it's the truth. Take the sexual impulse out of your interactions and most women are worse than cowards.

>>34839534
Well, he’s wrong.

Throw a few drinks in women's faces and tell them to fuck off then. Let me know how far you get.

>>34839381
>This sort of conversation fails because others like >>34837865 (You) say
>>Not my problem, have them stay fucked.
So show me in that post where I said "have them stay fucked" then.
I laid out exactly what the problem is. Once they know that, the solution is obvious: stop doing that, and in fact do the opposite. Do I really need to spoonfeed any more than that?

>>34839683
Taking risks and compliments means I come off as creepy and desperate, therefore Ill do the opposite and avoid and ignore women. Based.

We can sage this thread now, it's beyond saving.

>>34837336
being nice to women usually means you dont understand them.

I thought nice guy meant the kind of guy that gave it all for pussy, as in the kind of guy that expects a fully transactional relationship where "I do nice things for you therefore you owe me a blowjob". Which is a type of person that's even obnoxious outside of the context of romance or relationships. Like at work or even prison really. I thought that's what "nice guy" meant. Like someone doing unwarranted good expecting something back and making people feel obligated. Like an appearance of good.
I remember at least a relationship that seemed pretty toxic from outside, like the dude was an asshat to her girl and all, but when the going got tough he was the only reliable motherfucker in the room and he didn't beg for good boy points.

>>34839583
It’s simple. The American public votes in a president that establishes behavioral reeducation camps for women nationwide.

This is just a penis test. Disregard everything I say

8================>~~~~~~o

>>34839815
No public on this planet gives ashit about losers not getting laid lol
Especially if noit getting laid is just a byproduct of being an unwashed weirdo or unlikeable creep/"nice guy", as with most incels. Being self centered narcissists and smarmy slimeballs makes it mostly impossible to team up as the average incel will immediately sell his "bros" to the fed for a Big Mac and half an hour with a mid escort.

Why do people keep throwing CREEP around over and over and cant actually explain what it means or the opposite/prevention of that behavior?

If I want vague shitposting and le vibes I may as well be posting on r9k or tiktok. Come the fuck on.

>>34840009
>cant actually explain what it means
Vibes.The thing that drives incels insane. The difference between a Chad and a creep cannot be expressed in numbers , it cannot be maxxed and it cannot be used for ragebait. Its emotion based and therefore anathema to mental cripples aka incels, which is why they are incels.

>>34839513
Let's imagine for a moment no Freudian Jungian CBT bullshit exists, we're in the middle of the 16th century and I'm a wacko alchemist who wants to woo a woman for once. Can you still answer what was asked?

Vibes can be explained, it's called congruence.

Incongruence is bad vibes.
Incongruence means your thoughts don't match your actions.

It's not hard to explain.

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>>34840143
You hit the tavern and get drunk enough until you manage to ask wenches to dance.
Considering that peopel back then weren't nearly as gay and neurotic as today on accoutn of being aware of life being short, shes likely going to grab you by the dick and ride the shit out of you on a haystack if you don't make a move yourself.

>>34840141
It literally is mostly vibes though

>>34840155
Sounds about right. I find it puzzling how so little emphasis is put in just helping people enjoy themselves.

>>34837347
Exactly. Nice guys finish last, bad guys don't even get to finish.

>BUT I DON'T WANT A GIRL WHOS USED UP!!!

Literally the average person, both male and female have 8-10 sexual partners their entire lives and before they turn 30. This has been going on for over 40 years now. Get over it and play the game or fuck off.

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>>34840173
Because the grifters who make their money off incels need to accept them that "its over". Either to buy their looksmaxx products and surgeries, or because they want to groom them into homosexuality/sissification/trooning.
Or literally sell them "suicide kits". Yes, thats actually pic relateds business model, owner of all incel forums.
Incel shit may have been organic at some point, but by now its predators openly running a psyop to turn the dumb fucks into cash cows.

>>34840218
Just don't be a fag holy shit. Its not that hard. And then bang a few women before you marry so you're even and don't have to seethe. Thank me later.

>>34837456
Next thing you know everyone who follows this retarded advice will be in prison for rape, abuse, or both

>>34840352
If you're so socially crippled that you can't pull it off without ending in prison, you've got other problems than getting women.
Btw, this is another incel myth. The realistic scenario is that the woman simply icks and tells you to fuck off/goes away from you.

>>34840357
>Socially crippled anon calls other people socially crippled
So retarded you think women rejecting you is actually proof they like you. You proved my point
>incel myth
Women getting raped and abused are incel myths, lol. Not like one in three women get abused and/or raped by an intimate partner in their lifetime

>>34839824
>No public on this planet gives ashit about losers not getting laid lol
Point to me where I said anything about that being a campaign platform

>>34840218
>Literally the average person, both male and female have 8-10 sexual partners their entire lives and before they turn 30.
i’m 27, and i’ve had precisely zero. am i fucked?

>>34837336
>What should you do if you're a nice guy?
Stop falling for ragebait.

>>34840314
>And then bang a few women
How?

>>34840421
Well it means you aren't average so maybe.

Should I just give up my dream of finding a normal girl? I can’t tell if women are straight up retarded or most dating advice is made up by incels. I see ugly people get into relationships all the time. I doubt those dudes ever bothered using pickup lines or did some move that tickled her hypothalamus or whatever. Why can’t we just go back to being fucking normal people? You can go to any indigenous tribe and you won’t see any of this stupid bullshit in starting relationships

Nice guys are usually afraid to show intent or interest in a women. Waiting for a woman to make a move. Being overly concerned about being respectful and polite will bore her. Women don’t prefer assholes but they will gladly date an asshole over a nice guy because the asshole has a backbone and will not be so worried about offending her. Also a lot of ‘nice guys’ are passive aggressive people, acting extra nice because they expect sex in return. Fake

>>34840443
well shit. guess i should give up now to spare myself any unnecessary pain

One thing I've learned over the years is:
Never open up to women when you are going on dates(before actually becoming a couple).
I know you want to connect and find support too or whatever, but don't drop the guard too fast or they will just think you are weak, and therefore, not a suitable partner.
And if you think it is the right time to do so and she won't even bat an eye, drop that bitch asap.

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>>34837342
Close but the real answer is to fuck op’s girl once and never speak to her again. Woman like this are toy’s not wife material. Being a man means understanding the difference. Too many simps out there trying to turn hoes into housewives.

>>34840421
>am i fucked?
Without a sexual partner? Come on!

>>34837336
This is why you shouldn't put them on pedestals and always be willing to disagree, and tease and give them pushback, as long as you're genuinely interested and liking them that way you act to not come across as mean.

You have to be yourself even when you disagree with her, you jusn't can't be an asshole.

>>34837336
I think I'm going through this now maybe. I met a girl and at first she was really physical and we cuddled and I fingered her and went down on her and she kept wanting to fuck. Finally we did and I think it was pretty good sex maybe not 10/10 but not my worst performance I don't think. But after we spend more time together now I think she doesn't really like me anymore I'm a pretty nice guy which is probably boring. Whenever we together now there's 0 physical contact and I honestly get the impression she's just trying not to be mean but doesn't wanna be around me anymore. Should I try being mean? Idk how it's not really in my nature...

>>34837446
Bravo, all of this is spot on. I can confirm this is exactly right with my experience of women. Here are some snippets of things I have said to girls who either dated me or accepted my proposals sexual or otherwise:
>Girl #1: Told her I'd tie her to a wall and kick her nipples
We dated
>Girl #2: Told her I think she is weird
She asked me out I rejected
>Girl #3: Told her to stop talking shit and to be a brave girl and ditch her female friend and talk with me 1 on 1
We dated
>Girl #4: Told her I don't care about the nudes she sent me, told her I thought she was demented
We fucked around a bit
>Girl #5: Told her she had decent tits
Turned out she was married never told me and I called off things with her since I didn't wanna fuck some other guy over.
>Girl #6: She disagreed with me on everything she was smart I told her why her ideologies were dumb and we talked for weeks. She went ape shit and had a meltdown because she figured out I was talking with other girls (we weren't dating I was shopping around for a good match)
I cut contact and told her she was crazy and didn't want her drama, she hit up my friends to tell me she had feels for me, I kept her blocked
>Girl #7: The unicorn girl, sweet kind and gold heart, never gave her my rudeness only my respect we got together and are still together she killed my bad boy streak by being gentle and shy and sweet.

I was never abusive for the record I just had a mindset of shameless cockiness where I was never 100% invested at the start so I treated the dating phases like a prank call and I'd talk shit or push boundaries for giggles. If I went too far and a girl got upset or scared I would apologize.

If you know deep down you intend no harm then there is no harm in playing 'heel' like it's wrestling and you act like an emotional villain for fun. Women enjoy it even when it pisses them off because if you piss them off they think about you all day. And women's response to a cocky guy is to "tame" him

>>34843718
>Cont
So my advice to nice guys as a former bad guy as a dude who went from heel to face:

Never treat the interaction as high stakes. Take a page out of those chink Buddhist monks books the ones who spend a year doing sand artwork only to deliberately fuck it up at the end, do the same shit but with women adopt the mindset where you don't sin for success and you don't aim for failure. Don't even care about what she thinks, just decide to make that emotional prank call, be a cheeky cocky little bastard and see if you can make her mad or flustered. Just don't make any references to violence or sex or her body keep it only about her interests or opinions or lifestyle choices. That way you don't scare her or make her self conscious. Just don't be a cruel retard but be a bit of an asshole.

Whenever you feel the urge to go all tight assed and polite like you're negotiating some cold war with the girl fearing fucking up and losing her if you name a bad impression if you catch yourself doing that remind yourself this isn't serious, this is all bullshit social pageantry and regard her as already gone so you get rid of the stupid internal pressures but continue to fuck around and talk shit anyway like it's a prank or a joke. Go into it with the goal to make yourself laugh. Don't worry about trying to make her laugh because girls do that themselves they will giggle at the dumbest shit you could ever say because girls do that to signal interest. You could tell her "I wipe my ass with pinecones" and she will giggle at it like you're the funniest guy ever. It does not matter. Just cut loose and make it a shitposting meme session.
Is it the best approach? No. But it sure as shit beat the nice guy mindset into a ditch.

If you insist on being all nice and polite and you can't stop. At least pick the right girl: Bad girl. Bad girls beg for nice guys.

>>34843718
What I don't get is how you ended up agreeing to date people you had issues with

Saying you will kick her nipples is a reason to put you in jail. If this was said during an argument, how do you find value in someone you had an argument with? Next girl you have an argument again, you got close to her after disagreeing. The nudes girl is already sending you nudes, or you got into an argument yet again and went to her once again.

If I get into an argument with people, I can't see them the same anymore, I see them as assholes I don't want anything to do with or I see them as retards I will keep wrangling and want nothing to do with. So what do you go back to them for?

Also, what city are you in, plain and simple people seem liberal about sex where you live. Obviously someone who's been selective all his life will have a hard time lowering the stakes and ask for sex to people he isn't even interested in. That's why I ask, how do you get involved with people you weren't aiming for?

>>34837446
I don't understand why someone wouldn't show interest, if I vibe with a girl and she's attractive I'll flirt, ask her out, etc.

>>34843762
>What I don't get is how you ended up agreeing to date people you had issues with
Because I always understood that no one is defined by their issues. I secretly held to the belief that everyone has bad parts, but they also have good parts. This was mostly projection of my own desire, to find someone who could see I was more than my rough edges. So I was never deterred by some of the girls who I took issue with, and it was easy to deal with their issues by simply mocking them sardonically.

>Saying you will kick her nipples is a reason to put you in jail. If this was said during an argument, how do you find value in someone you had an argument with?
That was said for provocation, she was trying to get sexy at the start and discuss domination and kinks and I honestly don't give a fuck about bdsm larp shit so I deliberately ruined her fun by describing a scenario that ridiculed domination to piss her off like deliberately gave her the ick but at her expense to laugh at.
I find value in arguing with someone because it's a sign of trust, just done in a negative channel. People can build and form bonds in both the positive emotional channel and the negative. Negative is just as important as the positive because you show each other that you can both pull your punches and both show humility in apologizing which is very valuable to learn early on.

>Nudes girl
She sent me them within a few hours of convo. I had to call that out and make her feel absurd because it was. Which made her more feisty and attracted to me. I bring it up to show how a lot of girls are (not all). If you lose a challenge to their vanity they double down and pursue you.

>If I get into an argument with people, I can't see them the same anymore
Challenge that and see what happens if you allow others to show you what happens after the argument. Stick around and you might be surprised is all I can suggest

>how do you get involved with people you weren't aiming for?
Just talk

>>34843718
Thanks. I understand how this all works now because I completely bombed a girl who was initially into me. Never made that mistake again.

>>34843775
The way a guy should treat a girl he is interested in is not intuitive at all to the guy.

The very first reaction damn near all men have towards a woman they like is to HIDE THEIR INTEREST and behave like a platonic friend.
They won't ask her out, get her number, call her cute, or anything like that.

This is why I firmly believe a man will not understand what to do with women unless he fails magnificently first.

>>34843762
>>34843784
>Cont
You just talk. I never aimed for anyone in my life because I just always understood "I do not know this person. I don't know who they are right now or who they will be revealed to be 5 years later if I date them."

I just never aimed for particular people I just used my boredom to go see what other people have to say and get my own fun out of it. If I was pleasantly surprised and it became clear they were interesting or down to earth, then I'd tone down the cocky antics and sit up in my chair metaphorically speaking, id start being just a bit more serious at that point.

>>34843753
Nigga, it's not that I'm actively trying to be polite. It's that pointing out people's flaws doesn't register with me. It's that a dumbfuck thought like "le wiping ass with pinecones" doesn't cross my mind. I don't even shitpost here, I come here and read a lot of random shit but it doesn't generate out of my mind, call it humor dementia or some shit, my mind only works on analyzing shit and becomes happy when it makes a new link.

What then? Whenever I talk to girls I feel frustration because I'm feeling them out, I wanna figure what they think, I wanna delve into their world but they don't show. At the same time I'm thinking about their tits and I'm thinking about the threat of guys wanting to fuck her, it's hunter fucking mindset. And like I said before, for everybody else I'm not interested in or that I have argued with, I feel no reason for getting close to them a second time.

So what do you think about these factors, how can I help them?

>>34843784
>If lose a challenge
If you lose a challenge to their vanity

>>34843801
Pose a challenge POSE A CHALLENGE
Fucking hate Steve jobs glad he's dead stupid gay autocorrect

>>34843797
You're a man.
You know rather you want to fuck the girl or not within 5 seconds.
If she's cute, you want her. Stop being ashamed of the fact that you want her.

All inhibition finds its root in shame. Being ashamed of the fact that you want to fuck her. So you hide your real self under a platonic facade.

>At the same time I'm thinking about their tits and I'm thinking about the threat of guys wanting to fuck her, it's hunter fucking mindset.
This is who you are. This is genuinely part of you.
Act on it.

You straight up secure a number/date fast, then indulge the first part of you during the date.

>>34843797
>It's that a dumbfuck thought like "le wiping ass with pinecones" doesn't cross my mind. I don't even shitpost here, I come here and read a lot of random shit but it doesn't generate out of my mind, call it humor dementia or some shit, my mind only works on analyzing shit and becomes happy when it makes a new link.
Idk how to give you a tutorial to rewire your thinking and to be honest I don't think it's worth trying to, because no girl is worth doing that in my opinion. Only strong suggestion I can make though is when you're talking to a girl you just fish inside your own mind and ask yourself:
>"What is the most retarded thing I can possibly say right now? What is the big social no-no button? Where is it? Maybe I should press it and say the retarded thing just because."
And do that. That's where my fun comes from I would just dream up some stupid antic and then I would wonder how would she respond and I'd just execute it because it was funny to me. Though I gotta say I'd only do this to girls who I could tell were up their own ass or were on a power trip like they thought having a vagina made them special. For shy introverted quiet girls I would restrain myself out of respect. That and it turned out girls like that the clever dorky shy girls were my type that's how I ended up with one. Normie chicks tho id gladly take to the circus to have my fun mocking and being a cocky asshole tho

I think your factors might mean you can't change your style. But you can still work with your serious personality by leaning into dry humor where you just be blunt as fuck and it can stick as well

>>34843807
Never said I was ashamed about wanting the girl dude. If there's any inhibition, it's because I am ashamed of having been raised like a coddled retard and people have no time to sort out their feelings over that.

You have a clear advantage, you may not see it or believe it, but you do. It sounds like you had some abusive family, took refuge in friends, you had no other path traced and sorted out life yourself, you go full monke and people who are monke are well receptive to that.

In my case, Arguing in school meant getting beat up, parents would be the only source of love around and told me to get away from those assholes, so I did and became wary of every single interaction. Naturally they wouldn't have time to joke, filtered dumbfuck jokes to raise me proper, and I accepted that as reality. I grew up in a bubble that popped when they died and now I'm in a world where my behavior gets mistaken as "nice guy" bullshit just like you're doing, and therapists see it easier to call me autist than figure a way to resocialize me.

Yeah, I think about the girls tits, but that's all I have to offer. I can't offer her jokes which was the key question I asked you, I can only offer her infodumps about shit she doesn't care about. I can see peoples flaws and only see them as negatives, not make any funny spin on them, instead I point out what's to be done to weed them out.

Whenever I got into an argument with my brother, he would plain just distance himself so in him that forgiveness thing doesn't exist, resentment is more real. Whenever I argue with strangers, they don't see any value to stick around and just drift.

So for cases like mine, you have to tailor something different to what you would tell some blueballed dumbass. That's what I notice, people want to joke and jab, I cannot offer that and don't know how to build it. Frustration accumulates and the mindfog makes it harder to have fun with someone who is clearly not enjoying it.

I was literally just like you dude.
I was raised by a single mother who died. I sucked ass with women, bro.

The clear advantage I have is that I FUCKED UP MANY TIMES until I learned how it worked.

>Arguing in school meant getting beat up, parents would be the only source of love around and told me to get away from those assholes, so I did and became wary of every single interaction.
This is great.
KNOWING HOW YOU BECAME THIS WAY is the very first step towards fixing yourself.

Literally all you have to do is get out there, talk to a girl you are interested in, and close by asking for her number/coffee date.
Your goal is to POLARIZE her.

YOU WILL FUCK UP. That is exactly how you learn.

You are a man that wants tits, blowjobs, handjobs, and sex. Own that shit and go for it fully.

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>>34843854
Yeah this. And another thing is, not only do most women enjoy providing the sexual acts (it scratches their submissive itch and their vanity, makes them feel like only she and she alone can make the man she enjoys demand more of her like she is the sweetest apple pie in the fridge), even IF you try to hide your sexual appetite behind politeness or whatever, girls know. They absolutely know 100% when you are censoring yourself as a man. They all know what we are and what we want they know 100% because girls gain knowledge of taboo sex things way before boys do. iirc they figure out this shit by age 8-9 on average. Most boys take until 11-12. An average girl has had 3 years head start gossiping about how boys are before the boys even understood themselves

And women continue gossiping and sharing secrets and "spilling tea" with other girls into adulthood, they know what we are as men on the sexual front. And women are extremely good at reading facial expressions it's part of their evolution shit, they are rigged to read expressions and suppressed emotions in people cuz they gotta do that for babies one day. So if you try to put up a front, it's GG. The girl knows instantly when you do that providing she doesn't have autism

>>34843854
I appreciate you sticking around. This is going nowhere because you short circuit into the PUA bullshit book that I already said doesn't work with my mindcase. I feel you were onto something the previous post and I'll have to work something along those lines. Anyways, choke on a bag of dicks.

>>34843891
>you short circuit into the PUA bullshit book
This isn't PUA you absolute moron.

You are simply afraid to fuck up.
You want the magical solution you can drink and suddenly all your social anxiety will go away, you become prince charming, you become the bestest guy there is.

Your mindcase was quite literally my mindcase.

You
are
afraid
of
fucking up.

You
are
ashamed
of
yourself.

This has happened because of your fucked childhood.
When you understand this, you can begin to unfuck yourself.

>>34843889
>They absolutely know 100% when you are censoring yourself as a man.

YES YES YES.
This guy gets it.
Print this out and read it a million times.

>>34837336
You should rebrand to genuine guy.
Genuine means being genuine with yourself, being genuine with the others.
Where nice guys fail is that they aim to please at any cost. This reads as disingenuous, as an act.
The difference between a nice guy and a genuine guy is not very big, if you're actually a nice person.
Then when you do something nice, it feels real. And when you feel like you've had enough or want to do something or say something that isn't strictly nice or might even be slightly selfish, you say it.
I think that's the best really. People are happy when they see someone who's just being themselves, and being yourself means expressing your interests and desires. If you stifle yourself constantly and don't say what you think because you think the girl won't like it, you end up hurting your relationship with her way more than if you just said I kinda wanna go to the park instead of a restaurant, or, you're really cute and pretty.
Just don't be fake and overacting. People hate that, women in particular know how to sus that out best.

There is a difference between being nice and being supplicating. Its okay to be nice but if you are supplicating girls pick up on it and get turned off.

Really not that complicated bros. The guys ive known who get the most pussy are a combination of nice/warm and aggressive. Something that probably sounds contradictory in your incel brains.

>>34843692
You don't have to be mean. Being nice is boring when you don't have anything else going on. Be interesting.

>>34843787
Agreed, I guess some of them are afraid of rejection, or unsure, but you miss all shots you don't take, life is too short, yeah you might lose a potential great friend but you're missing out the chance to grow and learn, in my latest case, I met a BPD chick, now I've learned the obvious red flags.

>>34844332
Its not really anything profound though. Showing interest or not only determines if you open yourself up to rejection or being chose, it won't change her perception of you.

>>34837342
Exactly. Christian virgins only. Never change yourself for hoes.

>>34844718
Fuck off tradcuck

>>34837336
some guys erase their personality and replace it with 'nice'. complete destruction of the self as a pathetic plea for pussy. literally just be yourself.

>>34837336

Women are biologically programmed to seek the best genes, that’s usually what they can’t have. Being a nice guy confirms to a woman she already has you, thus her drive to win you over vanishes, and that is the “hunt” for women; that’s what drives the emotional roller coaster. The question of “am I good enough for him”?

>>34844737
Cuck. No prefix

I swear some dumbfuck boomer oversimplified and coined the polyphyletic group "nice guys" when there are differences in etiology and needs of why a man can't woo a woman. That's why it's so frustrating and the issue never ends. You need a new best seller psychology dudebro to pick up the intricacies of why a man grows fucked and sell it as a neatly packaged service model like nu-CBT or some shit. That's the only way to make progress in this field.

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>>34837482
How do I flirt? I'm 32 and still no idea how to do it. I'm a virgin obviously.

>>34844904
Observe other men without calling them bad boys.

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>>34844939
>without calling them bad boys.
Why ignore what they are? Even if they are just playing a role its still based on the natural tendencies of bad boys. There is a lot of good advice in this thread but most of these guys are still trying to sidestep telling the truth of how women respond better when you are mean and aggressive.

Even the girl in the OP said these were genuinely nice guys, not fake simp nice guys, you guys made the excuses for her.

>>34845387
Playful teasing and openly speaking your mind isnt "mean".Owning up to your needs and wants and showing interest isnt "aggressive". Thats what you "nice guys" have to understand.

>Even the girl in the OP said these were genuinely nice guys
Exactly.Thats why she was so disappointed that they had no edge, hid their desire and refused to flirt. No human being is just "nice". Thats not a personality, but the repression of one.

>>34845423
>Playful teasing and openly speaking your mind isnt "mean"
The problem here is that openly speaking your mind is not always something that generates friction or the emotions these girls are looking for. You can disagree with someone in the most calm and reasonable way possible. What if your wants and needs are more or less aligned? What if there is no need for conflict? If I go on a date my concern is having a good time, not arguing over dumb shit to prove a point.

You're really just giving the soft version of what these girls are actually looking for, which outright aggression/asshole behavior.

>Thats why she was so disappointed that they had no edge, hid their desire and refused to flirt.
I can see why a girl wouldn't like that, but I don't think that's an indictment of his character. From his perspective he could just be having a good time and enjoying her company without feeling the need to force anything. Cause on that same point, is the woman also repressed and lacking personality for just being nice and not flirting as well?

>>34845619
Playful teasing has nothing to do with conflict, friction or whatever you are yakking about. Its a way to show affection.

>without feeling the need to force anything
He wants somethgin from the woman, or he wouldn't be on teh date. He chooses to hide is intentions because he is scared and axnious. Realising this, the woman is tunred off.
Its not hard. You're just blathering on so you can deflect the advice other anons have given in this thread so you can keep on with being the human equivalent of a cardboard cutout.

>>34844102
>The guys ive known who get the most pussy are a combination of nice/warm and aggressive. Something that probably sounds contradictory in your incel brains.
explain how it isn’t

>>34837336
If they seem asexual around you its because you're seen as unattractive. They become whores in the presence of the right guy, I've seen it myself. Used to work as a bartender for a while, the behavior I've seen was enough to blackpill me for life. Even the shy, mousy ones become whores that grope and grind. Those same girls act like royalty in the presence of their beta male friends and they even get offended and disgusted if anything related to sex comes out of the mouth of a man they don't find attractive. If a girl is ever acting appalled at the mention of women even so much as having a libido, its because the man that's even so much as going into that topic without being attractive, is deemed as a creep instantly. They will try to shame you into going back where you belong in their imagined hierarchy. They don't want ugly men seeing them as the whores that they know they are, especially in friend groups. If the ugly ones found out the girls were giving ass to their attractive male friends, that could potentially open them up to approaches from those same betabuxx friendzoned guys and they couldn't explain away the dynamic without social incrimination.

>>34837336
I don’t think that’s obvious.

>>34837336
She (probably an Indian man) is not wrong. She's just phrasing it in a sort of inflammatory way because she is a blue checkmark account that gets paid for engagement.
Don't stop being nice and kind, but be less of a coward and a pushover. Be assertive and ask for and fight for the things you want while remaining respectful. "Bad boys" always get the girl because they don't care if they offend someone or hurt someone, so they act more assertive and confident. You can be more assertive and confident without being cruel though.

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>>34837336
"Nice guy syndrome" is someone picking up on the fake performative act of polite "all the right things" interaction you're attempting to do, instead of just relaxing and being authentic.
Inauthenticity is death in all social relationships.
You have to actually be real and vulnerable to make genuine connections with other people, they're never going to actually like you if they're just interacting with a mask made of what you think other people will approve of

>>34837336
practice, just like everything else
when was the last time you told someone to fuck off

>>34846751
As someone who actually worked as a bartender, this copypasta offends me.

>>34845619
>what these girls are actually looking for, which outright aggression/asshole behavior
Never change your own asshole behavior and continue to be "nice"

>>34846851
>You have to actually be real and vulnerable to make genuine connections with other people
What if you do this and get made fun of repeatedly

>>34837336
Well they are right. Because that's not how desire works. Desire works in ambiguity. Because of how we are structured through language often when you have something in totality desire collapses. Consider a game you wanted for a long time but feel guilty because you barely played it, when before you wanted nothing but that. Desire requires distance, confusion, things that can be taken a different way but are said implying something else etc all the "game stuff" read lacan and understand the graph of desire it makes this exceedingly clear

>>34846751
And why can't mousey hos have any fun lol sorry they don't like fit the mold of what your fantasy is lol grow up weird ass nigga

>>34837446
>The 'Nice Guy' is literally civilized mankind
Anon, the vast majority of people alive have to be platonic, kind and willing to compromise because we'll all kill each other if we don't act that way. We're far, far overpopulated for what this planet can sustain without mass manufacturing, without factory farms and radioactive fertilizers. If modern society collapses, the entire human race will die eating each other. Civilization collapses when the cities, the centers of manufacturing, trade and wealth centralization which enable all these things to work, collapse. The cities collapse when people become unable to live packed in on top of each other, and the key to living packed in on top of each other is to learn to be platonic, kind and willing to concede or cooperate.

Its a natural progression of events that people evolved into because of mutual need, and its something women are going to have to get comfortable with and endure just as the men have. We can't go back now.

>>34848141
Brother we're not talking about jobs, careers, and civilization.
We're talking about what women respond to.

If you want to have sex with a woman, your entire approach cannot be super kind, nice, platonic, and non-risky.
She will slot you in as her little brother or friend, or worse, gay best friend.

You have to tease, get the number, flirt, mess with, and fuck with a bit.

The Nice Guy is someone who does not do the above, and therefore, does not generate any attraction in the woman.
He does not do this because he -

1. - Thinks that doing those things is evil
2. - Is afraid of doing those things
3. - Thinks doing so will make her uncomfortable/disturb her
4. - Has deep seated childhood trauma that makes him bury his own needs and wants
5. - Does not want to face rejection

It is a risk that a man must take if he wants to be a woman's partner.

>>34848169
Nobody cares, or needs to care, what women respond to. When civilization needs them to breed a new generation, civilization will force them to do what it needs them to do, even if it requires that people just club them over the head and rape them half to death like we did in caveman times. More likely, women will simply lose the rights and privileges to which they've become accustomed, and be imprisoned or killed when they object, same as every other group of people whose rights have become an existential issue to the survival of the state.

We're just not there yet, because up until now, our civilization has done an end-run around declining numbers by importing population from outside. It won't hold forever, because nothing does. But all people alive, including the rich and powerful, are still dependent on our modern civilization for survival. Men, women, left, right, authoritarian or anarchist. We all need it, and people are going to do whatever is required no matter how heinous to ensure their own survival. Simple as.

Women, for the moment, have a choice. They can continue on the trajectory they're on, in which case its very likely that we'll come up on the last generation of women to have rights soon, and womens' suffrage will go down in history as a short and badly-conceived experiment of the age of modern politics, or they can adapt, and come to the understanding that its the society their men built that awarded them those rights, and that without their men to defend it, those rights will disappear. The ball is in their court now. Either way, you don't have to cater to women who are stupid enough to destroy civilization over their feelings. Down that road lies madness.

>>34837446
Actually the "nice guy" is a stone age man who is scared to death of the tribe ostraciszing him if he does anything wrong. Its the men who are so overtaken by a stone age impulse they become paralyzed and unable to deal with the modern world, where you no longer hang out with a tribe of 50 people but have to actively find social contacts for yourself.

>>34848193
>Nobody cares, or needs to care, what women respond to
If you want a woman, yes you absofuckinglutely need to know what they respond to.

Women have rights and do not need men to survive anymore, which means you actually have to appeal to what they desire.
You cannot simply just get a job and a woman latches onto you because she will literally die if she doesn't.

>When civilization needs them to breed a new generation, civilization will force them to do what it needs them to do, even if it requires that people just club them over the head and rape them half to death like we did in caveman times
This shit is literally never going to happen again
And it's certainly not happening in your fucking lifetime.

Any man who unironically listens to you will die alone.

>>34848201
>Do not need men to survive anymore
Anon, they need men to provide, protect, build and maintain literally everything that enables them to survive. They're never going to collect their own trash, clean, build or maintain their own sewers and slog through meters of shit to ensure their water isn't full of dysentery and cholera. They're not going to risk lymphoma crawling into nuclear reactors when they start to go bust because there are no men to maintain them, or pick up a rifle and stab other women in a muddy trench while getting drone bombed to protect the nation from outside invaders. They're not going to steelpunch cattle in the head to put steak on the table, or unclog the drains full of blood required to process and package that steak. They rely on men for everything, from providing the rights, to protecting those rights, to creating the resources and infrastructure that ensure those rights continue to exist, and they're never going to not need men because they're not willing to compromise themselves in the same ways that men have.

>This shit is never going to happen again
Its all but inevitable that it happens again. No civilization, no work of man, endures forever. There WILL be another time in history when people have to hunt, kill and eat other humans to survive, when civilization and the very concept of rights are nothing more than a memory. That age won't last forever either - even the dark ages between societies aren't forever - but to expect that this, or any other standard to which mankind becomes accustomed is forever is true folly and you should know better.

>>34848227
Holy shit you genuinely do not get it, lmao.
There is not going to be a "men rise up and enslave the women" event, dude.
And even if I indulge your weird ass Columbine shooter fantasy, it's not happening in your lifetime. Any man who listens to you will 1000% die alone.

Women earn their own money.
Women work their own jobs.
Women have their own investment accounts.
Women own their own homes.
Women own entire corporations.
Their rights aren't being taken away again.

Absolutely fucking insane to me you'd rather delude yourself in such rancid fantasies than just simply tease a woman a little bit and ask for her number.

Jesus Christ.

>>34848245
You're the one who doesn't get it. It doesn't matter that they have money, it doesn't matter that they have jobs, it doesn't matter that they have homes, investment accounts or corporations when you're talking about the downfall of civilization. All of those things will be for nothing and it'll just be people fighting against other people for survival. At that moment, women will have two choices - to fight and kill other human beings, or to open their legs for the invading horde, trying to turn them back into property for trade or breeding. The third option is unspoken, but implicit - to just starve and die when people refuse to feed them because they're not worth anything if they refuse to breed or can't be traded away to someone in that same capacity. Patriarchy didn't make life in ancient societies that way, its the natural order. The logical extent of the fact that women are simply unwilling or unable to viscerally kill and murder as many people as they have to to preserve their own rights. They rely on the men for that and they always have.

>Their rights aren't being taken away again
You dumb motherfucker, we're already a large part of the way there, and its womens' behavior and their rejection of men that got us into that state. More and more people are dropping out of the societies in which they live because there's no incentives for them to stay. The more you concentrate those incentives under women, who won't fight to protect them, the more lopsided the incentive system becomes and the more inevitable it becomes that it will collapse. Eventually you'll have no choice but to enslave women again, and gift them to the men that you need to fight and die to protect the society in which you live. It simply doesn't matter what they think or want or have, because they're just not men. Women can only maintain a position of strength as long as its given to them, and it can only be given to them as long as its there to be given.

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>>34848272
It genuinely blows my mind that people genuinely think like this.
I have no more words to say.

>>34848287
>I have no more words to say and haven't refuted even one (1) single argument
I accept your concession you colossal faggot.

>>34848297
All that is going to happen is you are going to grow old and alone, and nothing in your incel shooter diatribe will happen.
You will see all of your peers in marriages with partners and you are just going to have nothing, clenching your gun waiting for some doomsday apocalyptic event that will never happen.

It's sad as shit, but honestly, I don't feel bad for you, because you really seem to hate 50% of the world population.
So whatever dude.

>>34848316
None of this refutes anything that I said. The collapse could happen after I die, or it could happen next week. Maybe it'll never happen at all, and the muslims and hispanics streaming over the border will just club them over the head and rape them half to death without even the downfall of civilization to blame. But it IS universally inevitable that the standard to which women have become accustomed will eventually end, because all things eventually end, and women will never have it again unless men build it and decide to give it to them, because women won't make the compromises necessary to build or maintain a civilization.

Unless you can refute those simple points, then you're still wrong and you can kiss the darkest part of my ass.

>>34848245
Adding to your post, men don't need women to run their own households either. Electrical kitchen appliances are a thing nowadays.
So instead of picking a woman you really like, those crying losers want to go back to getting forcibly shacked up with a 4/10 BPDemon their dad chose for them. Complete mental illness and utter delusion about what times past actually looked like.

>>34848332
No matter how hard you cope and how many paint graph statistics you shart out, inceling affects less than 10% of all men. And all they do is sit in their basements, cry and beat their dicks raw to BBC porn.
If you're from the US, theres definitely a collapse coming, but you not getting your bangmaid waifu is not going to be the reason.

>>34837446
Damn, admittedly, I >>34831528 needed to read this.
Thanks man

>>34848510
No problem!
Glad to help.

I had to massively fuck up with a girl before I understood it.

>>34848475
>Still not a refutation or an argument

If you're from anywhere not the US, the collapse is inevitable. The US is the premiere military power, it'll be the last of the civilized powers pretty much any which way you slice it. Rights and the Constitution probably won't survive very much longer, but the US will. It has the largest base of power generation, the largest base of food procurement and the largest military. All the important things.

So, don't sweat it. Europe will die to infighting yet again, just 80 years after the last time, China will die to demographic collapse and a sudden lack of energy and food imports that they require to survive. Russia is currently falling on its sword, and the Middle East, Africa and South America aren't even prepared for the most basic of survival without international aid. We might be heading back to the dark ages, but at least we can look forward to America being the last power beating women back into shape.

You still have yet to address even one (1) of the actual points made, thoughever, so you're still wrong and still being a colossal faggot.

>>34848201
>a woman latches onto you because she will literally die if she doesn't.

That was never the case btw. , just to clean up any delusions about there having been a time when men didn't need to appeal to women. A woman who didn't marry would simply stay with her family or become a housemaid for wealthy people, which while annoying isn't a death sentence. Why do you peopel think spinsters were a thing, how is this possible if women die if they don't marry? Because it never worked like that.
Further, isn't the second thing incels screech about Beta Buxing?
In case that a woman chose marriage for survival, she would simply entice aman to signe the papers, and as divvorce was outlawed she would then proceed to not fuck the man and there was jack shit he could do about it. Except maybe rape, but I think not even most incels are so degenerate that their dream is to simply rape a woman who hates them every day. And even then she'd likely eventually poison his tea and live off his inheritance.

No, what is difefrent is the fact that men are no longer beholden to act as such. I went to school in the 90s, and the guys who would have turned incel simply got bullied into asking out girls and called faggots if they tiptoed around and refused to show their interest.Any incel who went to a 17th century Salloon and started yapping would first get laughed at, then beaten up as a closeted homo and eventually driven out of a town for being a freak.

Hope this helps and frees some retards of their deluede dreams. State mandated gfs were not and will never be a thing. Sorry.

>>34844718
You're replying to a Christian who disagrees with you, ironically.

>>34848540
>all that muttcope
The funniest bit is the one about Europe infighting. Which cope yoiutube channel did you get this from? Or was it a marketing jingle on the TV?
Genuinely curious where you are getting this absurd idea from.

>>34848543
Cope harder cuck

>>34848546
>Pivots and continues to avoid the central issue
Either make a compelling argument for how women are prepared to do the actual hard work required to maintain civilization or fuck off. I'm not here to entertain you, you're here to entertain me.

>>34848567
>how women are prepared to do the actual hard work required to maintain civilization

I have no idea what the fuck you are even blubbering about. Theres working women whose whole purpose it is to supply losers like you with sex for an affordable prices. What else do you want? Do you relaly want to pretend that unwashed losers who screech on the internet getting laid is relevant to civilization? Lmao
A working society would force you to fix yourself, utilize you as slave labour or at least put you down humanely. The fatc that incels can draw neet gibs or squat in their parents homes is probably the most socially damaging element of the whole thing.

>>34848580
>Not an argument, continues to deflect onto the poster rather than addressing any of the central points
Cease your faggotry this instant. The internet can take only so much of it.

>>34848600
What points, retard.All I read was deluded narcissist sperging about society collapsing if women dont start bouncing on your dick.No point made that I could address, just mentally ill ravings.

>>34848195
modern socializing is stupid and i don’t like it

>>34837336
Just develop a sort of mean, playful sense of humor. It's not actually hurting anyone and it stops people from seeing you as sycophantic.

>>34848692
>just thread the needle bro
why does it have to be like this

>muh civilization muh collapse
what the fuck is this freak's problem jesus fucking christ

>>34837336
My question is how do you even talk to women in the first place?
I can't even remember the last time I spoke to a woman outside of work or a professional setting.
I don't use social media or dating apps either because it feels weird taking pictures of myself.

>>34849505
Dude, the women at your job are not actually off-limits, despite what the HR cunts told you. If you're not a complete charisma vacuum, you should be able to make enough entertaining casual conversation with at least one of them to the point that she would be open to hanging out outside of work. That's at least been the case for me, and I have a huge debuff in the form of baldness.

>>34849537
>coworker
Not an option since I work form home.

>>34838167
what about kind guys? i don't act nice, i act kind. i think the big thing about indecisiveness for me is that i genuinely do not give a shit most of the time because most decisions are low-stakes. unless it's something that interests me specifically. low-stakes means i'm largely unaffected if i dislike the outcome.

>>34849596
>what about kind guys? i don't act nice, i act kind
This is so retarded, its literally the same thing. These idiots have made men terrified of the word nice because they equate it to being a pushover. Just say you're not a bitch.

>>34846655
>Playful teasing has nothing to do with conflict, friction or whatever you are yakking about. Its a way to show affection.
No you're just mimicking bad boy behavior and reframing it. Somehow all of my other relationships with people work fine without me forcing myself to tease them.

>>34837594
I think a lot of women subconsciously hate themselves so they seek to be punished and a nice guy won't do that to them. then later after all their chads they're like why am i taking all this abuse, i need the nice guy who has money and can raise my kids now.
or at least that's what it was before the average woman has a better life than the average man. now they just hate men and stay single but fuck around forever, with all the money they could ever need just from being hot, and yet hate the rich.

>>34839815
It's even simpler than that. Outlaw abortion. Boom, all their endless choice, gone. Suddenly guy who is good for her family is better right away than guy who is good for her pussy tonight, instead of in her 40s.
I hoped Trump would do this. I hoped Project 2025 was really underway. Maybe Vance would.

>>34849627
kindness is different from niceness to me at least

niceness is performative, kindness isn't

>>34837336
Just be honest regardless of who you are. Within that honesty is gonna be not nice things

>>34843784
So the first girl was obviously already into you in a sexual way to be discussing bdsm with you, your neg isn't why you got her. Are you big dick chad?

>>34848316
>because you really seem to hate 50% of the world population.
not him, but I hate 80% of the world's population, all the now-soulless mindcontrolled drones that took the covid shot. should i bring that up in a conversation with a girl? how's that for a "social no-no button"?

>>34838167
maybe I like being nice to people because I don't see the point in being mean?

>be a man talking to a man
>"can you help me with this thing"
>"sure"
>"what a nice man" :^)

>be a man talking to a woman
>"can you help me with this thing"
>"sure"
>"oh no, now my pussy is dry. I bet he's secretly an asshole!" :^(

Women are psychotic. I'm sorry.

It's all so tiresome.

>>34837336
shank the first person who looks at her when you are together for respect

>>34838167
The real crime is that men are taught to behave this way, then they get rug pulled.

>>34851681
What a crazy idea, right

>>34851789
Part of becoming an adult is realizing that most of what you were taught as a kid is complete bullshit you now have to unlearn.

Just do what (You) think is nice and not what you think she thinks is nice. That's all.

>>34837446
>>34837482

Wow i didn't expect i could see a real advice in /adv/. Wholesome posts anon.

One unfortunate thing is that incels are being incels because of the status of their mind.
They are so consuming the incel identity, they're afraid of seeing reality despite they are intelligently capable to do so.

>>34851789
Yes.
A lot of men are raised by single mothers, and the single mother teaches her son to be the exact kind of guy that she herself wouldn't date when she was young.

>>34852690
Thanks!
I know about this topic quite well because I straight up used to be a Nice Guy.
I fumbled a girl really, really badly - and I had to learn from scratch what actually attracts women

>>34837336
>What should you do if you're a nice guy?
STOP BELIEVING MEMES
I'm a nice guy. I had 4 long term GF. Then I met my wife. We've been together 20 years. Our daughter is 18. Being a nice guy isn't a defect.

>>34851681
Let's say being nice is making your blade dull when it's unnecessary but when you want to get something, you need your blade razor sharp. If you can turn on/off this behaviour naturally then it's fine, but in reality, most 'nice guys' believe that they always have to keep their blade dull.

>>34851789
>>34851913
Brutally true

>>34839357
>3. Allow people to be disappointed. To truly hold on to your authentic self, you cannot hold on to other people's approval. Practice doing the things you want even if it disappoints people.

And this is the secret ingredient of a good life.
Approval and Disapproval, Light and Darkness, create contrast so it allows us to truly appreciate the good things in our life time.
Otherwise, if everything is good then how do you even know if it's good?
We can recognize X because there is a Y contradicts the X

>>34839469
>what's the equivalent of school playground for adults?
The world anon. The whole fucking world.

>didn't get the girl (got oneitis'd again) and got setback regarding time and money.
You probably have high standards (it's a good thing. It's achievable but only in a different way) regard life in general. Almost like social mysophobia.
You want 8 of 10 but the reality around you seems like legit 5, so you won't attack it without knowing it might not actually be 5 but more than 5, your standards are actually not so correctly composed and need to refine your standards, by going through the 5 you might reach a route to get the 8 or 10 you wanted.