>best friend of 11 years wants to troon out>he’s totally convinced, he won’t listen to reasonAnything I can even do to convince him? He’s fucking 34 and won’t listen to me, he wants to live his truth but I know he’ll get bulliedI know he probably listened to some gay leftist podcast but this will ruin his lifeIs there anyway to salvage this? He’s asked me to address him as a girl name too btw
he's gone, he got the mindviruspray for his soul, there is nothing you can do for him now
>>34839313You've told him about Autogynephilia?
>>34839334He was content with “feeling like” a girl for a while but now thinks the next step is to become oneIt’s been months of trying to tell him it’s a phase
>>34839359Is that a yes? He knows it's a fetish?
>>34839313My best friend growing up trooned almost 10 years ago now. I tried fucking everything. Every. Thing.I went on 4chan and asked about it like this. I was torn up about it. It made me SO fucking sad that I was once posting about it in a /pol/ humor thread and instead of everyone shitting on me and being mean, I actually had several posters telling me never to give up and to save my friend. Even fucking /pol/ encouraged me to try.So with that in mind, I did. Constantly.I still watched my best friend grow into a shadow of his former self. His only interests now are gender theory and “not needing no man”. He got the surgeries and facial feminization is a fucking joke. He looks like a blowup doll a few years later. I don’t know what the fuck to even say. Whenever we talk, he’s constantly making these “white men BAD” comments that are clearly directed at me personally. Which is genuinely insane because he’s also a white man.AMA I guess if there’s actually anything to ask but my advice is to abandon ship and save yourself the heartache.
>>34839638the dark powers got him, you were a good friend as you tried to save him, you did what you could
>>34839639Thanks, man. It leaves a lot with you. I wonder often>what could I have done differently?>was I too nice?>was I somehow, despite the eternal kid gloves and conversational concessions, not nice enough?>should I have pretended less and been more forceful?>should I have pretended more and played along harder?>what’s wrong with ME that I could not win this battle for us both? Could he have won this battle for us had the roles been reversed for some reason?I wake up in the morning and my wife is sleeping peacefully. It’s objectively a great life. But by the time I’ve stepped outside for a smoke, friend is on my mind. It’s all on my mind. I don’t think it’ll ever go away.
>>34839313Don't really use social media but have fake accounts to keep tabs on peopleRecently found out heat friend form highschool (who up until now was heavily into gym, getting swole etc) trooned out. Mustve happened within the past 2 years. Mind you, we are 36 now and he has a daughter.Wtf makes people do this especially at that age. Mind you he has a kid and a had a long term partner but I saw on her account that she is listed as single now The only other explanation I can think of is it might be a prank. Like using AI to fuck with people who might be keeping tabs on him for shock factor. But yeah two of his accounts (his Instagram and Facebook) both went private and both have his woman name and woman display pic
>34Should've done it like 20 years ago. Now he's gonna look like a freak.
>>34839643of course it's on your mind, he died, not physically but mentally, or spiritually if you'd like
>>34839313Ask him what tranny he wants to look like. Call him out if he posts an obviously edited/filtered photo that won't be what that person sees in the mirror.You might also try asking him why he would want be a tranny when most of them claim they're "being murdered in the streets" and such.
>>34839313Tell him to be realistic, that it's already too late for him and he should just be gay instead. Tell him you'll gladly suck his dick.
>>34839643I don't think you should beat yourself up with those kinds of questions. No one can be forced towards sanity, because the need to be forced in the first place is evidence of insanity. Which is to say, even if you had kidnapped your friend and forced him into some kind of tranny detox program, you only would have been changing his outer circumstance and not his inner motivations. Everyone escapes ignorance at their own pace, and for your friend his escape won't come until after he's destroyed his body and the majority of his life. It's a harsh way to learn, but if that's what will get him to see the error of his ways then that's what's best for him. Eventually he'll look back on all of his own absurdity and see himself as a fool and you as a saint for trying to help him. Maybe not in this life, but eventually.
>>34839646They look like freaks no matter what age they destroy themselves. There is no such thing as a passing tranny, no matter how young they were groomed by your cult.
>>34839313If you were really his friend you'd let him do the thing that will make him happy without trying to ruin it for him.
>>34840442but will it really make it happy in the long run?would you tell your meth addict friend that his drug dependence is ok because it makes him happy?
In a just world you could honor kill him, He shouldn’t be allowed to disrespect himself and his family like that.
>>34839638>top 10 things that never happened
>>34840442Friendship means wanting what's best for another person, not mindlessly indulging them in harmful fantasies. What you're advising is the same as if someone were to say "If you were really this alcoholic's friend, you'd buy him an endless supply of drinks to destroy himself with". That's not friendship, that's not compassion, that's not kindness, that's absolutely inhumane cruelty on your part. You're more concerned with avoiding making waves than you are anyone's well-being or happiness.
>>34840487Nobody loves you.
>>34839313send him screencaps of the horror story surgeries where people smell like fecal matter for the rest of their life. i don't have any on me but people on /pol/ probably have links to some. i tried google image searching for a screencap of one but the frankenphotos are as scary as watching an abortion video.there was also a good thread here last week or 2 about someone taking hormones. some good advice there.here's the link https://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/34780567/
>>34839313is he a porn addict perchance?
What was his identity as a man? What is his role in a community as a man? How does he express his manhood creatively? What mark does he want to leave on the world? Who are his role models? Does he love himself/does “she” love “herself?”Detrans male here. These are the questions I wish I asked myself before I trooned out. If the answer to any of them is “idk I just wanna be a girl” then chances are it’s a cope.
>>34840796This type of mind virus is not really something that can be cured by anyone but the person it is affecting though. Most people who transition follow the path of least resistance, that is trying their best to pass as a woman. The cognitive dissonance caused by dysphoria is so stressful that they refuse to do the inner work like meditating and soul searching to recognize what brought them down this path. I stopped wearing girl clothes and makeup and stopped caring about passing after a while once I realized how much better I was being treated when people saw me as a man. However, it still took years in this in-between stage to finally come to the conclusion that my identity was the problem.
>>34840460>but will it really make it happy in the long run?Statistically, it probably won't make him happy, but not transitioning will make him even more unhappy.
>>34840388Oh no, part of the only reason any of this even exists is because American and Western countries have this absolutely retarded sense of personal independence. We used to have cultural norms as a society, which also meant gender roles and expected behaviors, and parents spent years embedding those behaviors and norms. Hundreds of societies across the globe have these binary gender norms and have no issues, but then some wokie retards with a fancy university degree bestowed upon them by other woke retards made it so that gender dysphoria and trenssexualism were not mental illnesses, but something requiring affirmation. When the real solution is to force somebody into a situation where they can be deprogrammed. That would, in the modern sense, require forced institutionalization. That would mean taking away internet access, phone, computer, books, and forcing them to accept their biological gender and the roles imposed on that gender. If it was properly done we could have significant rates of compliance, but since modern western medicine refuses to find, study, or even consider implementing something like this, it would never be done because woke people and liberal retards run the medical and psychological sphere of accepted expertise.It's not all that different from homelessness. If you put up with it, people eventually fall into it as long as you allow people to exist under that state, but if society refuses to allow it by forcing homeless people off the streets by any means necessary, people get jobs.
>>34840871You forgot re-rewriting history. So when a Viking woman buried with a dagger used to mean she was a proud feminist girlboss warrior fighting on the frontlines alongside the men, now it’s proof that transness existed since time immemorial
>>34840460>would you tell your meth addict friend that his drug dependence is ok because it makes him happy?>>34840501>What you're advising is the same as if someone were to say "If you were really this alcoholic's friend, you'd buy him an endless supply of drinks to destroy himself with".The reason those analogies aren't valid is simply a matter of statistical outcomes. If you buy an alcoholic alcohol, you are contributing to him dying; if you help him quit you might save his life. But by *preventing* his friend from transitioning, OP would be *increasing* the chances of him committing suicide, not reducing them. Transitioning is obviously not a good solution to being trans, but it is a slightly less bad solution than any other that exists.
>>34840879>Transitioning is obviously not a good solution to being trans, but it is a slightly less bad solution than any other that exists.There is a cure: the spiritual path.
>>34839313reminds me of this one famous criminologist who had kids and wife and everything and then got so mentally fucked up after seeing so much insane shit and losing 3 of his children that he had his balls chopped off and became a 'woman' for 4 years until he de-transitioned and said it was a mistake and he regret it
>>34839313Abandon ship. The friend you knew is dead and only a troon remains. His behavior will get worse, he will be embarrassing, he will be a degenerate. Just let him destroy his life in solitude and don't let him make you watch it happen. It's already too late, you can't save him. It never gets better with trannies, only worse.
>>34839638op hereim thinking of sending this threads to him as a last resort, i dont think i could live with myself if i didnt at least try
>>34844973just do it. if it's worth losing the friendship to try and save him, go for it.he probably won't be happy with the results of whatever rabbit hole he is going down a decade from now anyways. the majority of people fail to pass. instinct has trained us to sniff out frauds and tricksters. adams apple, hairline, man hands, there's plenty of give aways and the lack of confidence reeks.
>>34839313>I know he probably listened to some gay leftist podcast but this will ruin his lifeI've listened to hundreds of hours of gay leftist podcasts from chapo to hasan to radio war nerd to Sam seder and I've literally never once heard a part where they talk about how to transition
>>34839313I legitimately think the evangelical doomsday people were right but for the wrong reasons.Shit like this is biblical end times signs. Whether it's the "end of the world" as in a Rapture or the end of a civilization but we're experiencing awful shit that's dividing people so badly that there's no recovery. Women are openly celebrating the "right" to kill their children when just a few years ago it was limited to "a clump of cells" in their pussy. Men are cutting their dicks off out of loneliness induced insanity in hopes of having some sort of sexual satisfaction. I genuinely do not see how things can get "worse" beyond living in a literal open air prison where every square inch resembles Kensington or Skid Row. I have fallen short of any advice outside of getting right with Christ. I'm 100% serious and the me from 15 years ago would likely scoff at that and call me a faggot but having women openly demand child sacrifice so they can prosper and nations warring within nations is right out of scripture.
>>34840879>But by *preventing* his friend from transitioning, OP would be *increasing* the chances of him committing suicide, not reducing them. Transitioning is obviously not a good solution to being trans, but it is a slightly less bad solution than any other that exists.That's false. You're placing blind trust in statistics that were "gathered" by people whose sole aim is selling you a product. "Would you rather have a trans daughter or a dead son" is literally just propaganda invented by pharma companies and drug pushers. All third party statistics on this subject have shown that transitioning increases the risk of suicide.
>>34844973You can, dude, I know how bad it fucking hurtsButTroon did everything every step of the way without ever asking about me and how I was doing. Self obsession swept in and I can’t remember the last time he asked about or acknowledged my feelings as a human being. Generally I’m just a sounding board at this point when we talk.Because we still do. Because I can’t leave anyone behind.So I guess what I mean is not to expect any empathy from him. In his mind, at the very least, he’s doing something grandiose and soul-changing so he’s pretty focused on him right now.
>>34839313Troon for what benefit? Have they given up on dating and reproducing or is this supposed to be some alternate tactic for dating or what
>>34839313I'm sorry OP, telling your friends about it is like the last step, whatever he's ingested has eaten him from the inside out already. Though if he's really a friend, you must try help him out of it so that you can end the friendship knowing you've done all that you can.>tell him the lives of women after 30 aren't even that enviable >get him to admit his conception of what a man is doesn't really exist (easy) >>34839638yeah, pretty much this, it's a horrible thing, they won't shut up about gender, every fucking topic goes back to homosexuality in some way>>34839644do you reckon it's as irreversible as turning gay? "detransition" cases are usually women from what I've seen >>34840397yeah
>>34839359How can you feel like a girl if you aren't one? What is feeling like a girl to him?
>>34849911>yeah, pretty much this, it's a horrible thing, they won't shut up about gender, every fucking topic goes back to homosexuality in some wayTruly, my friend was (is?) one of the most intelligent people I know, just considering raw processing power. He liked politics and ecology and animals and going outside to walk around and helping other people and trying new random things and so on and so on. We did all that together.I’m not joking when I say every single thing for him is reduced to “not needing no man” and gender theory. It is truly unbelievable how richly interesting he was all the time compared to what i see now>dude, i have never since the time we were 5 thought you “needed a man” so I have no idea why you keep saying this so often>also gender is truly not that interesting at this point. Even in some world where troon stuff is fully legitimate and you’re not being ridiculous, it’s been A FUCKING DECADE AND I DON’T WANT TO TALK ABOUT GENDER ANYMOREThose are the things I want to say. It’s not like he lets me get a word in edgewise when we talk anymore anyway. Fuck man that feel.
>>34839313Why are you so bad at picking friends?
>>34839313You chould inform him about John Money the pioneer for a lot of modern gender theory. Focuse on how he was a pedophile piece of shit that utilized his academic position to play out his own demented fantasies on defenseless children and their limpdick shit head parents. He is a good character to refer to when arguing the transgendered stuff is not about any kind of self help but a way to profit and hurt mentally vulnerable people into irreversible damaging themselves.Your a good friend for trying to help this guy, you should also ask him why he feels this way and try to get them to really try and explain why they want to pursue this path.
>>34839313Show him how trannies look and are treated. Also stop being his friend.
Tell him that it's great he's now a trannyhttps://theconversation.com/how-to-talk-someone-out-of-a-damaging-cult-68930
>>34839313cut your losses and move ongenuinely, the best thing you can do for him is end your friendship. there's nothing you can say to him that would leave a meaningful impact.
The prodigal son wasn't helped until he hit rock bottom, quit his ways, sought out help
>>34839313sorry sweaty your friend is now your girlfriend
>>34839313>he won’t listen to reasonTheir decisions to transition is the result of them listening to reason.
>>34852764Please explain
>>34839313A big misconception people have about becoming trans is that it has nothing to do with changing your gender or changing the way you perceive yourself.It has everything to do with how you want the world perceive you.A person who is about to become trans is always in a bad situation. Nobody really cares about them, most people treat them poorly and maybe they feel alone.But the biggest factor, is that these things are happening to them for no reason or for some reason outside of their control and that reason is usually their gender.>You are a man/woman, you need to be x/y.Most of the time, its for no reason. And when you are being made to suffer for no reason, it is quite maddening, it gives you a sense of despair. Since there is no reason for it, there isnt anything you can do to stop it.In order to cope with this reality, trans people delude themselves into thinking, >there is a reason, its because I was born in the wrong body.From then on, they commit to changing genders.The reason why so many of them commit suicide afterward is because they realize there wasn't a reason, and then the despair they desperately tried avoiding hits them in full effect and they kill themselves as a result.And the ones that dont live in delusion or it solved their problem since they aren't given the societal expectations of the gender they escaped from.
>>34839313The only advice I can think of, is to tell him, "it's not your fault." Over an over again meaning it as much as you can each time. After paraphrasing my previous message. It might work, maybe not, 50/50.
>>34852953>"sO mANy oF ThEm cOmmIT rOpE aFterWaRD"
>>34852977I'm pretty sure somewhere around half of trans people kill themselves. So that can't be it.Are you making fun of the fact I said commit suicide?I dont get where this is coming from.
>>34852983A troon felt extremely defensive reading about how his former friends feel but there was really nobody to argue with except you on that one point.They can’t leave anything alone. Nothing. I mean they can’t just sit there existing while a thread conversation criticizing them goes on.
I don't believe you should cut him off like other anons suggest. I'm a detroon going on around 2 years now, and I doubt I would have pulled through that ordeal if my long-time friends hadn't stuck by me. I wasn't 34 when I renounced all common sense and bought the gender ideology meme wholesale, though. I was still a teen, so there might be scant chance he will change his mind. Try your best to instill an apprehension to any irreversible cosmetic treatment, so he won't have more to deal with than gyno.
>>34840442>>34840879What rubbish. Every aggregation of data shows that medical & social transition creates worse psychological and social outcomes than the patient accepting their natal sex. If you'd like an anecdotal example, here's mine:>>34853276
>>34839313Yeah he needs to realise that he will NEVER pass at 34. You don't want to be a hon.
