You tell her to text you back when she can reschedule.
And then you only respond when she messages you back.

Stand your ground, don't buy into her frame

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The rest of our conversation for context.
This is retarded but it's already been a month since I've seen her.

Should I just go with the shit test but not pay for her friend?

Should I go there and flirt with her friend?

They're probably gonna drive together so no making out in the car afterward or anything.

No, don't go.
Tell her to reschedule. Only reply when she does.
If you don't need it, show it.

The only way to seize the frame here is to refuse to go on the date. Otherwise you are 100% getting subjected to analysis from her friend and she is going to hold sway over this girl. If you want to be perceived as a Chad in any capacity, showing a willingness to walk away is your greatest asset.

If she really likes you she will drop the friend like a bad habit. If not then you know you were just going to be their jester. You win either way by choosing not to participate.

If you dont give a fuck about being alpha or anything and just want to fuck then just go on the date and basically game her friend. Make no mistake, the friend controls your access to pussy no the girl.

>>34843824
I hate women so much, but you shouldn't be here you disgusting, successful nigger

Women who safeguard sex suck. I need a sex hungry bitch. I know this Brazilian girl who really loves sex. I think I need someone like that

But again, I'm in my room. You're actually successful, kiss yourself

>>34843834
alright yeah that's probably the best move. Honestly I'm getting tired of her. Very slow and unresponsive. But she has a nice ass.

My thing is I hate the "tell me when you're free" thing because it implies I'm always free, and gives them the ick. But to be quite honest my plans change a lot so I often make plans with only a couple days notice and this bitch takes like half a day to respond.

I'm almost definitely gonna go with that.

Am I right in thinking she's bringing her friend to cuck me out of anything sexual happening (even though it already did) and get free drinks for her and her friend? If your friend is going through some shit then this isn't what you do lmao

Maybe she wants a 3 some

>>34843840
I was a virgin til 29 and a 5/10 at best. I don't approach, I don't really have a huge amount of confidence. I just started listening to alpha male strategies on YouTube and even though hes black and apparently only really dates black women, his advice helped me a lot. I've only banged 3 women in my life but I swear something happened where I started getting lots more matches. I think a critical number of men quit dating or something.

And yes, you need a horny girl. The other girl I'm dating, I fingerfucked on the first date. I would've fucked her that night if I had my own place. Fucked her in a hotel room a month later. We still date but I need other women in my life to keep my confidence up so I'm not afraid to lose any of them. It sucks but it is what it is.

>>34843843
>Maybe she wants a 3 some
Dude this is what I'm afraid of that I'm walking away from something good. She put my hand on her ass and tit in a public park before we'd even kissed on the lips. She's weird as fuck man. But she said she can't have me over because of her roommates. Repeatedly. And I live with my parents. So I don't think she's planning a three-way unless we fuck in her suv.

>>34843839
>>34843838
You guys are both right and that's probably what I'm gonna do. I don't care about being alpha, I just want to fuck her. She definitely is a bit horny for me, so that's good. She's just being annoying about it. But I'm also not gonna waste money paying for her friend to cockblock me.

>>34843842
>tell me when you're free"
Don't say this.
Tell her to tell you when she is free and see if it matches your schedule.

>Am I right in thinking she's bringing her friend to cuck me out of anything sexual happening
It doesn't matter why she's bringing the friend.

What do you want?
A man in his own frame GOES FOR WHAT HE WANTS no matter what. If he doesn't get it, he leaves.

You want her 1on1. Own it.

>>34843863
Yeah I just wanna make sure I'm not losing my chance at a 3 way. But probably not.

What exactly should I say? I'm bad at phrasing shit. Like "yeah. Tell me when youre free and I'll see if I am too"?

>>34843870
>Tell me when youre free and I'll see if I am too"?
"Tell me the days you are free and I'll see if it matches my schedule"

Every guy is bad at phrasing shit until they completely own who they are and what they want.

>>34843878
That's true. My problem is having to compromise what I want. Even with the other girl I'm starting to get comfortable and give her like 2 choices for the date. I feel like it's probably tuning her off.

>>34843888
Yes. This is most men's problem.
The best thing a man can do for himself is completely own who he is and every aspect of himself.

You want to fuck this girl 1on1.
You don't want the friend there.
You want her, on the bed, cuddling and making love to her and her only.
You want to wake up next to her.

The man in his own frame goes for this, and if he doesn't get it, he walks away and looks for it elsewhere.

Every shit test a woman throws your way is a strength test to see if you go for what you want.

>>34843902
Should I tell her something like "yeah if you have to see your friend tonight then you should do that. We'll reschedule. Let me know what times you're free and I'll see if it fits my schedule"

Or does that sound too butthurt?

I'd drop her entirely but she has a nice body and I dont mind if she's not ready to fuck yet but she's at least gonna make out and let me finger her and rub her clit in her car. She also ordered a 28 dollar lobster dish on our first date at a restaurant where the average entree is like 18 bucks, so I feel like I need to avenge that insult by plowing her like a wild animal.

>>34843838
>>34843839
true


think about it seriously, how can you even have fun with a girl who is dragging her sad friend who is going thru a lot with her...

You cant. She cant. She will feel guilty when she has fun with you because her friend is sad.

So the friend drags everyone down.

Just cancel and reschedule for both free time.

Dont ask her when shes free, say "I can do xy day and yx day at 18h, lemme know which fits better" or smth like that.

Also "my friend will be joinging us" is too dominant BS I hate that.

"Is it okay if I bring my friend" is what a normal woman would say.

>>34843835
Yeah I wouldnt feel comfortable to intrude if you two gotta work something out, make it a girls night and we can hang on XS or XY day after 19h. Lemme know which fits.


whatever.

Stay hungry man and keep it rolling.

>>34843924
The best question I can ask you is this -

- What do you want? Go for it unapologetically.

>yeah if you have to see your friend tonight then you should do that.
No.
She's trying to bring the friend along with her.
She can see her friend and you at the same time.

- What do you want? What do you want?

>>34843932
also valid if not best so far

if OP had a deal with girl before and now suddenly the friend who has been going thru shit FOR LONG time has to interject, its a shitty move.

valid to make her choose, especially because its BS. Out of so many hours in a day, and days in week, PRECISELY on date day she needs to babysit a cockblocker.

Shit smells from miles away.

>>34843930
>>34843932
Yeah but why does it have to be tonight? I guess if it must happened then that's one thing. Seems awfully coincidental. But maybe that's all it is.

Hopefully I can use this to distance myself and get a nice blowjob when we finally do meet.

>>34843849
Well thanks for clarifying. I'm 30 and previously had a gf for 5 years but it feels like it was sheer manipulation of fate and luck. I haven't been able to get a smidgen since.
This one Brazilian girl though she loves sex so fucking much, she just makes me cum whenever we call, every other day, and she cums so much herself.
I honestly like, don't know if I care? Anymore, about the whole ohhhh it's a whole persooon and you have to take caaare of theeem and now they have needs and you have to learn to accept a "no" and blah blah blah.... Bullshit.
My ex was always up for sex, ALWAYS. My hands were never off her. I don't think I can have it any other way.
I've had a period where I had dates, never a period where I was fucking a chick and still having dates. That's why I called you a nigger, but I know that sex doesn't mean you're loved, you can still be exactly where you started I mean it took you a whole month of waiting to get that one night of sex with her, that's subpar, so I feel you.
No girl is like, openly admitting to like me. It's always like a mistake or some sort of manipulation or other circumstance that ISN'T me being chosen.

I imagine my genuine advice for you would be that you just gotta keep going.
I unironically like, this Brazilian girl is all into bdsm but not in the way you think, she enjoys dominating and being dominated and cums super easily, yesterday I made her cum 3 times in a 40 minute call and when she showed me that pussy it was fucking creaming, she was literally scooping the cream out of the inside with her finger and there were like 3 scoops, all of which she put in her mouth.

1/2

>>34843934
She meant she been postponing our date for a long time. It's been like over a months since we last met up at this point. I would try to make plans she'd take forever to reply. She babysits for her sister in Saturdays so that's out. And Sundays I'm usually with my friends and she won't hangout Sunday night.

So the scheduling conflicts have been on both ends but she's also ass at replying. She says she can't reply at work. Bullshit. I worked a job where I'd get fired if I had my phone out at work (govt contractor) and still managed to find time to go to the bathroom and text my gf at the time a few times a day.

>>34843944
>She says she can't reply at work. Bullshit.
Fantastic. You are finally being honest with yourself and the situation.

You know it is bullshit.
Now go for what you want.

>>34843948
I will. I just don't know if I should offer her the choice of "tonight but your friend fucks off" or just straight up say reschedule. Because what I want is to meet her tonight without her friend, cause I'm gonna be busy pretty much every night til Sunday

2/2

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm starting to think the whole love thing is just a parasitization of your time, health, money, resources, and submission to her requests. Us gooners see what relationships are for real. They're sex.
Relationships are sex. Does she make food? Does she clean the house? Do you have an extra amount of money to take you guys on trips? Are you sweet outside of sex too? This is all extras, but it never replaces sex. That's the core of the relationship. Sexual touch, availability of the other person's body.
So yeah dude, I'm fucking jaded. I just don't care. Like yeah it would be nice to be chosen, but I don't think I fall in love like that. If a woman wants to make me cum, and makes it her life's mission to squeeze as much cum out of my dick as possible at all times and on demand - THAT'S the woman I wanna marry.
And before you ask, no, I don't give a fuck about kids, no, my kids won't be there for me when I'm getting old, it's just more overhead, more problems, we're all dying alone eventually and if I get to a point where I'm ill, unable to take care of myself and partnerless I'll just kill myself, it's alright.

Sorry if I sound negative, I promise I'm not, it's just realism. Keep dating, but feel free to like reject based on vibes you know? Being strung along isn't nice. Sometimes it's nicer even to not pursue. But, beggars can't be choosers, so I won't tell you not to wait like a good boy for a month for a potential blowjob when your alternative is rotting in the same life you live right now. It just sucks dude

>>34843950
Holding frame as a man doesn't mean being an asshole.
It means being unapologetic about what you want, and being completely willing to walk away if you don't get it.

You don't have to tell her friend to "fuck off." That's just weird.

You just need to tell her that you want to see her 1on1, and if that can't happen, reschedule.

You are a brick wall.
She is a snake trying to worm her way around and through and across the brick wall to find a hole to pass through to undermine your strength.

>>34843849
>but I need other women in my life to keep my confidence up so I'm not afraid to lose any of them
lmao

No group dates unless she’s officially your gf nigger
Find corey wayne on yt

>>34843963
let the playa play man

seems like low quality girl who is confused and fucked up

keep your options wide, talk to more women, let her fade in the noise of other candidates

>>34843824
>and now I'm a rapist
what? how are you a rapist? is there a different text you're not but showing?

>>34843824
>my friend is joining us tomorrow

lol this bitch needs to be calmly but firmly put into her place. She cannot dictate terms to you like this holy shit

>>34843942
>>34843959
I agree with you man. For me the main reason I'm willing to give the girl I'm currently banging a chance long-term is because she put out so fast and gets so horny for me just from me touching her. I hate that I used to spoil frigid white bitches I dated who didn't respect me at all and saw me as betabucks.

>>34843960
>You just need to tell her that you want to see her 1on1, and if that can't happen, reschedule.
What'd be the best way to phrase that?

>>34843989
I'm rapey cause I tried to get us a room to fuck. So now she has to bring a friend to prevent me from taking her. Idk. Idk why she is doing this dumb shit.

>>34843993
Yeah she is ESL so I think she might have phrased it badly. I have other ESL friends and sometimes the way they phrase stuff they sound like asholes.

>>34843963
Its fucked up man but it's true. I hate it but at this point that's what it's gonna have to be at least until I can move past it. Yeah, I know, you're supposed to have so much going on in your life that you don't care about sex. Okay I have 50 hobbies and friends, if anything I'm not bored enough. But still if you dangle sex over my head I want it. The curse of not getting laid til late 20s. But also the amount of confidence you have going out with a girl when you've already got one is unmatched. You seriously don't give a fuck and that helps a lot.

Problem is I'm trying to fuck as many girls as possible now as cope so that leads to this situation where I make an entire thread about it.

>>34843960
>You don't have to tell her friend to "fuck off." That's just weird.
Yeah I don't mean literally tell her that. But how do I say "come alone or not at all and well reschedule" without sounding overly formal or like a douchebag?

>>34843870
lmao there’s no threesome in this situation, she’s bringing her friend to scope you out and get some free food and drinks out of you.

>>34844403
Alright yeah I'll cancel it

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>>34843824
>I fingerfuck her in the movie theater
Oh, classy.

>>34844051
>she has to bring a friend to prevent me from taking her
You're projecting why she wants to bring her friend.

Don't go on a date with the two of them anyway. The reason is also going to be bad

At worst you pay for an extra meal

At best you get a 3some

Why would you not go? You fingered her once so she's obviously a slut getting it from other men too especially if she's ignored you for a month

Why would bringing her friend be an issue? I'm not reading all this thread but you sound like you're overreacting

It's not like you're in a romantic relationship with your girlfriend and had a nice date planned and they are changing things. You two are nothing to each other but mutual fun

>>34844830
>Why would bringing her friend be an issue?
Cause I want to do sexual stuff with her afterward and if she's bringing a friend it's almost certainly a cockblock from that.
Also I don't want her friend appraising me.
She refused an opportunity for sex once so she likely isn't DTF right away. She said "feels like I'm being rushed into sex" when I suggested the hotel room. So this is probably a test to see if I'm down for a totally nonsexual date.

>>34843824
>I already have another woman I'm dating and fucking so I don't need this.
please kill yourself, and never make another post on this site.
thanks.
And don't reply to me, I don't give a single shit about people like you, kill yourself.

>>34843835
bring her friend so you can pay for 3 meals. right
100% tell her "i dont wanna be in the way of you two guys, lemme know when you are free"

>>34845035
I'm not op, just here to tell you that I was you once, and at a certain point in your life you realize that morality is subjective, and that yours isn't definitively right.
Girls fuck over men, they get the choice. A man who can pull off having multiple women should pursue it, it is a taste of what women experience for their whole lives.
One day, in the future, you'll experience extreme loss and betrayal by a girl, and you'll see how she gets another guy the next day. Maybe then you'll understand how inconsequential you are little cuck.

The mantis female, eats the male for sustinence after he gets to mate with her, ending his life to ensure the offspring survives.
As a male, evolutionarily speaking, you are the more disposable of the two genders. You, having multiple females, is like that mantis having sex with multiple females and not getting eaten. If you can do that - do it. If you can't do it, well, you're just a regular male. And you're going to mate once - and get eaten.

Carry on young one

>>34843824
>What the hell kind of shit test is this?
Your mind has been infected by vidya games. Things that happen in life aren't the game trying to impede your progress. This isn't a "shit test." This is just something that is happening.

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>>34845226
That's what I did. It seems maybe her situation was legitimate. Not sure what to think now.

>>34843824
I'm an unc and in a happy relationship. I'm therefore out of the game.

Any anons care to tell me why the following is a bad idea in OP's situation: call her instead of texting and tell her you like her and that she has to respect OP's time not sneaking in people last minute because you looked forward to it.


Like, why not hold HER accountable for doing something that no working man would tolerate?

>>34845503
>you are too kind
Lmao you got outplayed. She wanted you to cancel. Were the "I'm always busy :(" messages she apparently sent you not good enough? Now you know.

You're never seeing this bitch again LOL

>>34845503
Can I smell your fingers?

>>34845557
>You're never seeing this bitch again LOL
true. well I'll let her text me again. if she doesn't, whatever. I'd like to fuck her but I'm not gonna simp that much for her.

>>34845518
I mean I really didn't give a fuck cause I had plans today with friends anyway and they ended up going on much later anyway so it was good that I cancelled.

>>34846119
Life of a man in 2026. Get dragged for months, still have to act nonchalant, be hit with bullshit responses like "you are too kind"
Fuck women, fuck people. Seriously fuck them. If I ever build myself to the point where I get the opportunities you have, I'm going to fuck, everyone. All of them.

>>34846173
Yeah. I mean I have another girl thankfully, I'm luckier than most. At least this one let me touch her tits and finger her. I think next time she reaches out I will try to get some pussy in the car. But I will avoid spending money. I wanted to do the barcade cause it actually looked like fun. Now? Not so sure.

>>34846340
How old are you if you don't mind me asking

She double texted me to say Good Morning after I didnt reply to her last text.

>>34846576
32

>>34843824
Literally says go reschedule so go do that like
And what's this spend money then fuck business, lowk prostitution

>>34849816
>And what's this spend money then fuck business,
That's what dating is

>>34845518
>Any anons care to tell me why the following is a bad idea in OP's situation: call her instead of texting and tell her you like her and that she has to respect OP's time not sneaking in people last minute because you looked forward to it.
Because there's a very good chance she's telling the truth, and that her friend has been through something terrible, and she doesn't want her to be alone. For OP to say "I don't give a fuck what your friend is going through, I demand that you ditch her and come and spend time with me instead" makes him look like the worst kind of selfish asshole. The girl is probably doing the best she can under difficult circumstances by saying "look, I'm sorry, but I can't leave my friend alone; you're very welcome to come and hang out with both of us if you like, but if you don't fancy that, could we possibly reschedule?" She wasn't expecting OP to want to hang out with her friend and her, she was expecting him to reschedule, but wanted to give him the choice, given that she hadn't seen him for a bit.

>>34850533
Yeah this guy is right, you want to stay vaguely available and definitely amicable with girls even if they're flakers. The important distinction here is to set self-boundaries which kick in after a certain point.
You make a genuine effort to try and set dates, pick on the side of believing her but not without asking if you feel like something's funny, and then if you tried a couple tiiimess.. and it didn't work, then you can silently let her be.
But no big statements throwing her out the window and shit. We're all living in the same world, far away or not. Stay on the good graces of everyone, you never know when you'll see them next

>>34850560
>>34850533
Yeah that's what I did.
The problem is, this girl works every day of the week plus Saturday morning, then babysits the rest of Saturday.
She's always too tired to go out. She takes forever to reply.
She doesn't want her roommate "in her business" so we can't fuck at her place.
I live with my parents so we can't fuck at my place.
I'd fuck her in her car but after our dates she cuts things off. But she also liked walking with my hand on her ass and let me pinch her nipples and fingerfuck her in a movie theater.

I mean it makes sense she's hesitant and all but it's just getting a bit old. She's not really fun to hang out with. I want to plap her a few times and be done with it.

>>34845298
I never said I couldn't do exactly what he's says he's doing, but him stressing out this hard over some flakey cunt he finger-fucked in a theater 2 months ago clearly shows he is not that guy.

>>34845503
KEK. If she asked if I was cancelling I would've called her right there and said: No, but it sounds like YOU are cancelling. This bitch deserves to be dumped on the spot. You already lost when you needed a fucking script to tell you not to put up with bullshit.

>>34850610
Yeah you're not that guy like this poster said >>34850665
But you know.. Beggars can't be choosers. Keep that door open.

Good on you for replying to your thread and keeping it alive too, you're alright in my book nigger

Her race? Just so I can avoid going through shit like you did, in the future.

>>34843824
Movies are horrible dates.

>>34843824
ask for a threesome you never get it if you don't ask

I know this is all done but I'm gonna chime in and agree that OP, you did the right thing here. Unless a girl is giving you a lot of obvious effort, you have to assume an excuse like this is a flake. There are too many flakes and too many other available women to entertain this kind of nonsense.

>>34843824
You're both whores, but whereas you keep pushing your luck out of horniness, she's too spineless to just say no.
Why can't you degenerates just say what you want upfront?

>>34850834
>Her race? Just so I can avoid going through shit like you did, in the future.
African. Like, from Uganda.

>>34850684
>>34850665
I'm not really stressing out over it that much, just curious what I should do. If she stops texting me entirely, whatever, I'm already banging a really sexy asian girl. So honestly I'll probably drop the black girl anyway once the asian one wants to be exclusive.