I always make them kiss me on the cheek fist. Like make some stupid bet or something. Once she actually kisses you on the cheek then its like the kissing barrier has been broken down and you can confidently go in later.

>>34844946
Women like rape. It's the fatties and uggos that hate it.

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>>34844946
she's wanting to play tug of war with you and upset you're not pulling. it's your choice if you want to play this game. i wouldn't.
do you want to go down this rabbit hole with her?
move on to the next one and pat yourself on the back for getting farther than the majority of basket cases here.

>>34844977
That's not mine, I reposted that pic from another thread

>>34844946
1. you say something that makes her smile or laugh when you have a bit of privacy
2. hold eye contact longer than normal and see if she holds it
3. approach close to her and turn your head and see if she does the same thing
4. close eyes and actually kiss

if she doesn't want it she'll dodge or roll her eyes or arm bar you before you get close

that's all there is

That's a diva you encountered.

you’re giving off gay vibes cuz ur gay

>>34844946
It may come off as disingenuous, but, People's public image is not the same as people's private lives. That thing about respecting women they say on TV is show, one-on-one the girl wants to be touched as much as you do.

Other people do touch them and ignore public discourse without issue, that's why you come off as jarring when you actually listen to the public broadcasts.

They expect you to relax, joke and laugh. They want to piss you off and make you cry to see what you look like at your worst, in the shortest time possible, and if you don't show any emotion, they feel they didn't do their job right, or that you're a genuine psycho.

To form relationships, you need to see girls regularly. From the sounds of it she actually liked you but was disappointed, that's different from just ghosting you, but if you contact there, that means you weren't interested either.

You're supposed to feel horny for her, not judge her sluttiness or come off as someone who judges people for their sexual habits, or other behavior they do regularly like drinking and smoking, enough people hate them for that already. So if things were going alright, you're supposed to play some touching game, or make up an excuse she knows is made up, like in the movies she wants to feel you getting closer but never arriving, and at the end dismissing all social norms and just fuck her, kiss here, grab tit there, feel butt and crotch. All escalating. She wants you to force yourself on her so you remove the pressure of being responsible for something shameful such as initiating sex. Her permission is the distance she puts herself between you.

Of course Nobody has ever talked, written or taught any of this and I'm a virgin guy myself so I have no idea what I'm talking about.

>>34845157
>but if you contact there,
But if you Cut contact there.

I mean, that girl actually gave you advice? Why? Do you make her remember about her gay brother? Maybe she would have given you a second chance after begging, if you showed some spine and called her out for coming off as a smartass when she doesn't know about your situation, while inviting her to a next encounter. But you accepted that things end there.

If you decide things are the end, the end it is. If you decide to kill yourself, there's no more life for you. Fight for what you want and consume your life, OP.

>>34844946
If your picrel actually happened to you, you dodged a bullet, OP.

>>34844996
This is the way to do it
The thing that most autists on here have trouble with is understanding the signals that the intimacy barrier can be crossed.
Did she hug you at the start of the date? If you're walking side by side, does she not mind if you bump into each other or touch? If you're both trying to look at something closely together, does she not mind getting her face right next to yours? Is she busy looking at you, or other people/her phone? Is she smiling a lot and laughing at what you say even if it isn't really funny?

You should ALWAYS go for the kiss on the first date you autismo. Ask if you have to. Fuck you should be touching her hands and shoulders too, maybe her back. Women are much more sensitive to touch than men. Having your hands on her body is erotic for her. Stare at her mouth as she talks. She wants to fuck you, otherwise she wouldn’t be there. You should be actively thinking about it the whole time. It’s a body language thing.

>>34844946
You need to genuinely not give a fuck, and that's achieved by having more than one option, more than one girl you're meeting or seeing. Unfortunately for most of us this isn't the case, so we spill our beans. That guy with Elena probably is going on the first date ever in his life at 30. Like I did at 29

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>>34844946

Mein Borther in Christ Dude, read between the lines.

She's not a match for you. Obviously she has two issues:

1: She has warped expectations for how men should behave on a date. The expectation is the first date is like a job interview, no physical contact unless she initiates, you're there to see if there's a vibe. Ohysical stuff next time, fuck on the third date. Maybe I'm an older style though.

2: She is obviously, as others have coined a "diva" in the sense that she cannot look past trivial shit and instead continues to insulate herself with a fantasy. Women like her 20 or 30 years ago were called cunts and had a hard time finding men unless they had astronomical beauty (which still didn't compensate, because many men eventually prefer an average woman they can spend time with over a 10/10 who is an insufferable cunt). Consider this a dodged bullet. Women like this go through slews of men wondering why they can't find a perfect one, instead of setting with 80 or 90%.

>>34844977
>>34844946
I dated a girl like this who always expected me to "try harder" and would get pissed when she would say no I would would say "ok fine". It was exhausting

>>34844946
Better off without her, in all honesty she was probably hoping to bait you into rape allegations. Also being nice and respectful isn't gay, please stay true to yourself.

>>34846208
The thing is, I had lots of OLD dates lined up and messed up by not taking the initiative
I have the looks but not the personality

I'm rather similar. I don't seek physical intimacy on a first date. One, I'm somewhat religious and in my faith, the orthodox won't even shake hands with a woman that isn't a close relative or their own wife simply out of modesty and respect. So that's one factor.

The other angle here is that making a woman, or anyone really, makes me uncomfortable. It's not even that I just respect women, but I respect the bodily autonomy of every person male or female. Touching someone without their express consent or request is simply not happening in today's post #MeToo movement.

>>34846423
I wouldn't say personality... More like guts. Confidence.
It's the same with me. Crossing the friendship to romance barrier irl seems near impossible for me and I've only ever done it with autistic girls. I just can't do it with normal girls. All of my good friends are autistic today and I might as well be one myself even though I'm undiagnosed, I just don't get along well with normal women. They see my avoidant behavior and my weird eye contact sometimes especially when alone and I feel judged and yeah. As a student, as a coworker, as a hobby group participant, people don't question it much. I'm just one person as part of the bigger whole. But as a potential mate I can just feel pussies dry up entirely in my presence. The only time I was able to circumvent this was on first dates, but I barely get any first dates in my life.

I wish I had more dating possibilities from online, but no girl wants me or the algo hates me. Also I'm not in my own country, I'm a white looking Portuguese guy in a land with blonde fit Giants. I'm chubby. I don't speak the language, I don't have a job I'm still in school, I'm 30. Too many things going against me.

What can I say dude. Whenever I can get a girlfriend I will. But it almost feels like it's not up to me. Unfortunately I have very little effect on this. It's a luck of who you meet type of game, and I haven't gotten a match across 6 apps in the last 2-3 months despite regular swiping and previous success with the same photos. I just got ratio'd by the algorithm. It's over dude.

Bitch is retarded, she's acting like you got her order wrong. Unfortunately you'll encounter a lot of retarded bitches when dating, because the world is full of retarded people, and apps have turned dating into the equivalent of working retail.
You don't want a girl who thinks you're gay and even critiques your graceful acceptance of rejection. You want a girl who froths for your brand of faggotry. This is what bee urself is all about. If you perform "well enough" to corral a dumb bitch like this, you risk performing for her demanding ass your entire life, is that what you want? Her pussy's not all that, I promise you.

>>34844946
Anon, these are the types of girls you don't want to kiss. Quarellsome and indirect about everything they honestly want. They will ruin your life when the breakup happens.

>>34844989
That particular girl is a dumb bitch, as she tells him upfront in her last text that to her its part of the game that the man humiliaties himself by pathetically begging when he gets rejected.
Normal women are happy when a guy does not seethe or pester upon rejection. Bad example, as there is something very wrong with this woman.

>>34846625
You wil encounetr those women mostly when e-dating aka using apps.
To no ones surprise, an attractive woman who has to resort to swiping has something wrong with her. Normally those can just sit in a bar for an hour and get approached by a decent guy. So obviously any hot girl who enters that sausage fest cess pit of losers has mental issues or a dogshit personality.
And yes, of course the same applies to guys. Imagine participating in some grand public humiliation ritual like this for the off chance of mid crazy pussy. Couldn't be me lmao

>>34844946
Lmao
Anyway just ask

>>34844946
Dont date this girl she is low iq.
She will cause issues.
This is your only warning.

>>34844946
she's retarded. who the fuck tries to touch/kiss on the first date unless there's palpable chemistry?

also, you were too nice. that's what "feminine/gay" means in whorespeak. be yourself, be funnier.

Tell her she wasn’t worth the effort, that’ll sting