Porn didn't make you gay. You'd be fapping to straight porn like other straight anons if you were straight

porn did not make you gay

do not throw your life away over religious practice. i'm not going to tell you what to believe, but spending 60 years in misery on faith is simply not worth it

>>34959331
Yeah, porn didn't make you gay. You're born gay (or bi). You can accept it or not accept it, but if you're in love and happy, I think you'd be stupid to throw that away just because an imaginary bearded man in the sky says it's bad.

>>34959331
Porn didn't make you gay and being into men doesn't exclude faith.
You know what you want and if you don't take this path you will always second-guess yourself.

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>>34959655
Disregard both.

You're not "born" gay or bi, you are influenced heavily by enviromental factors. It's a complex process, and porn can be one such factor that opens up your neurologically wired sexual preference window to a wider degree than you would have before. It's not thar you have discovered being gay, you have expanded your sexuality.

Now, whether that's bad or not is a different thing. I'm bi and can find some men highly attractive. Some men I can even form a strong emotional bond with. But love? Very different ball game. I can fall in love with women on a romantic level but I can't fall into that level of intimacy with men. I can feel warmth, happiness and worry about their wellbeing, but that's not really "love". My advice is that you focus on the connection and whether you think it's love. Think about it's intensity and whether it's like a best friend you would fight and die for or if he's trully, wholely, someone you would entertain being a soulmate. Someone you could live with and wake up next to when you're both wrinkly and old. When I asked myself those same questions I came to better understand what I wanted and who I wanted, and hopefully you will as well.

>>34959684
Didnt read

How much gay porn would you have to watch before you'd excitedly suck a cock, anon?

>>34959700
How early into porn exposure are you talking?

You can't be a catholic and a faggot

>>34959735
Let's be frank, you can. Priest chasity is not exclusively for heterosexual candidates

>>34959684
Well obviously id still have to chat with this guy really seriously about something into the future, he definitely likes me now but id have to ask this questions to him

And the whole thing about being wrinkly i also think about, gives me ideas about how this whole thing is just meant to be futile

>>34959684
>you are influenced heavily by enviromental factors.
Yeah, but factors in the womb, not after birth.

>>34959735
>You can't be a catholic and a faggot
You can, you just can't have sex.

>>34959331
All I can really say is, falling genuinely in love is rare. If the guy feels the same way about you, you'd be foolish to throw that away.

Plus, from a theological perspective, you've already committed a mortal sin, so how much worse can it really get?

>>34959331
>first paragraph
Sounds about right, porn raped your brain, you understand that and i have my condolences
>2nd
On one hand you say you're religious on the other you think it's low IQ lmao, you're experiencing "cognitive dissonance", look it up, I'm religious too(muslim) and in a pretty similar situation with some differences to you minus the actual irl sodomy and stuff, which I'm honestly thankful for because you're an unfortunate case desu. Also in regards to being religious while also being gay this connects to the cognitive dissonance, you'll inevitably put one of the two to the side in favour of the other you can't be both, you can pretend to be both but you can't actually, and deep down you'll know it.
>3rd
Ok here you're trying to justify your homosexuality by saying women are not perfect, but you're now saying men, or at least this one guy whom you had sex with is perfect, idk if you realise it or not but you're just projecting this perfect image onto guys that you are for good reason saying women as a whole can't be, just like how there's a ""perfect""(no one is perfect) guy there is a ""perfect girl"", I'm not saying this as an insult but you're coping by trying to justify your decision and i feel like you should be told that to not trick yourself
>I don’t even know what advice I’m looking for,
At first i thought this too but i think i get what you're doing although maybe not intentionally, i think you're trying to get the approval of /adv/ in the hopes of not feeling guilty about your decision, especially considering the biased justifications
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>>34960532
cont.
>this is more of a vent than anything. The solution to this problem would be to drop him, move on, and look for a woman, girlfriend, wife, kids, etc. But I’ve also been thinking: if I’m falling this hard for him, anything I might feel for a woman later on might not be genuine and would feel more transactional. That sounds miserable too.
Idk why you're gaslighting yourself into thinking this guy is some kind of saint and women are some kind of horrible plague that will ruin you. I think you're blowing it of proportion, this guy isn't some special 1 in a million guy or anything, and relationships with women aren't these miserable things where everything will be "transactional" or whatever
>Maybe any fellow gay anon has some advice for me?
Idk if i count as "gay", and I'm definitely not a christian but I'd recommend you stop being gay, unironically, and i would say so for 2 reasons,
1 you're not gonna live a good life by being gay, everything god forbade he did so for a reason, so if nothing else do so for your worldly life, otherwise you'll find out personally why god forbade what he forbade, in this case sodomy
2 your afterlife, as a christian it's not like i think you're going to heaven or anything, but we would both agree that you're doing the immoral thing by being a sodmite or a homosexual. I think you'll most likely leave Christianity before leaving homosexuality judging by how you speak but i wouldn't recommend, and while idk how you guys interpret your faith and I'm not gonna sit here and teach you your own faith i really doubt just saying "yooo man god like....forgives and stuff....no way he will put me in hell for being gay dawg..." cuts it, like there's no fucking way it's that loose, at that point just replace gay inside the quotes with murder/rape/stealing/believing in other religions/etc and the argument would be the same, as in it would be an atheistic hedonistic argument.
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>>34960554
I'm not gonna go into islam since you probably don't care but i will say this, someone who strives against his desires is better then someone who just gives himself up to his whims, I'm not asking you to stop craving dick or whatever, but at least attempt to while acknowledging it's wrong.
At the end, it's up to you and i hope you find some success in your endeavours against satan

>>34960555
>someone who strives against his desires is better then someone who just gives himself up to his whims,
Genuine question: why? Why does drinking when you're thirsty make you a bad person and dying of thirst doesn't? Why is going for a run when I want to go for a run worse than than locking myself in the house and vegetating? Why is not listening to music better than listening to some when I want to listen to music? If I want to spend time with friends, why does doing what I want make me a worse person than being alone? Why does doing a job I enjoy make me a worse person than doing one I hate?

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>>34960571
>why?
Because you're not an animal. Animals just follow their instincts and don't do much more beyond shitting, eating and sleeping, you were created with the express purpose of worshipping god
>water?
Drinking water isn't forbidden in islam dawg
> music? being alone? job I hate?
In regards to music there are 2 reasons, one which is always at the forefront of everything that is commanded or forbidden, is because god said so, as someone who worships god you're supposed to obey him. The second "reason" is less a reason and more a wisdom, in regards to music it messes with your emotions and brain iirc
>why is pork forbidden[for example]
Cause it's filled with parasites, but initially everyone simply obeyed god and trusted in him, only recently did we find out about the parasites and what not.
as for the examples you gave they're not a point of contention so idk why you gave them, you can be a worshipper of god while still living, it's not like god wants you to be miserable(4:147), and anything forbidden is harmful to you anyways so it's to your benfit to follow the teachings even if, god forbid, you did it explicitly without believing in god or seeking his pleasure.

>>34960605
>Drinking water isn't forbidden in islam dawg
Yes, it is. During the entire month of Ramadhan, you're not allowed to drink water between sunrise and sunset. This supposedly makes you a virtuous person.

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I ain't no muslim but he does make some half-decent points regarding the guy not being some 1 in a million and the virtue of putting aside the wants in the present and instead looking to your wants in the future. If you want to be super fucking secular love is built on the first component of sexual attraction with the second being familiarity. The latter can be done with just about any old shag you spend enough time with. At this moment in time you feel affection and excitement and naturally want to maintain that but it's not something which is lost forever. It can be chased and harnessed with someone more compatible. This ain't even considering his wants and shifting desires that may change overtime and with it your perception of him

>>34960605
(part 1 of 2)
>Because you're not an animal.
Yes, I am, and so are you. Humans are animals. So your entire argument falls apart at the first hurdle.
>you were created with the express purpose of worshipping god
That's breathtakingly narcissistic of God, wouldn't you say?
>why is pork forbidden[for example]
>Cause it's filled with parasites
Well, no, it isn't, so again that's a simple factual error, and your argument falls apart. It's true that, at the time that ban was first introduced, for people living in a hot, middle Eastern climate, pork was much more likely to go off and give you Trichinosis compared with other meats. But nowadays animals are reared to higher standards, and we have refrigerators, so it simply isn't a problem any more. That rule made sense when it was first introduced; now it doesn't. This is true of quite a number of other religious rules. Another Islamic example is that everyone is expected to shave off their pubic and underarm hair at last once every 40 days. At the time that rule was first introduced, that was a very sensible way of preventing lice from spreading, but nowadays lice are less common and can be treated in other ways, so it's no longer necessary.
>as for the examples you gave they're not a point of contention so idk why you gave them
Because you stated something as an absolute, universal truth, and me pointing out a few cases where it clearly isn't true neatly disproves it. You claimed:
>someone who strives against his desires is better then someone who just gives himself up to his whims
99% of the time, this is false. 99% of the time it is better to do what you want.
(continued in part 2)

>>34960819
(part 2 of 2)
If, for example, you are touching something hot, what you want is to remove your hand. It is nearly always better to remove your hand rather than keep it there and get burned. If you add all up the occasions in life where you want to do something - *especially* something instinctive - then in literally more than 99% of them, it is better to do what you want. So your assertion that is better to resist desires than to follow them is self-evidently false in nearly every case. It therefore makes no sense to state it as if it were a universal truism.
>Drinking water isn't forbidden in islam dawg
Like the other anon pointed out, yes it is: in Ramadan during the daytime.
>The second "reason" is less a reason and more a wisdom, in regards to music it messes with your emotions and brain iirc
The fact that you are seriously suggesting that listening to music is a sin really tells us everything we need to know. As, indeed, is a ban on representational art.

But the point you're not really addressing here is, given that doing what you want is the right thing to do 99% of the time, why do you imagine that not doing what you want in certainly, extremely narrowly defined categories, makes a man virtuous? There's simply no sense to it. It's insane to suggest that a man in London who is dehydrated today is being virtuous by not giving in to his urge to drink water, just because the Moon was visible in Saudi Arabia yesterday.
>one which is always at the forefront of everything that is commanded or forbidden, is because god said so, as someone who worships god you're supposed to obey him.
And here we come down it. There is *no* logic whatever to any of this, and when push comes to shove, you will admit that. The reason is "Because I say so". No logic required, no thought permitted. "Because I say so." Or because a man 1400 years ago who claimed to have spoken to angels - conveniently, with no other eye witnesses - said so. It's not good enough.
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>>34960737
>During the entire month of Ramadhan
One month out of a whole year, for some hours out of a whole day
>This supposedly makes you a virtuous person
Yes, because you're obeying god first and foremost instead of worshipping your desires, and secondary to that, the practice itself of voluntarily not drinking water helps you understand better the feeling of poor people who are involuntarily not drinking water
>>34960819
>Yes, I am,
Ok
>and so are you.
Calm down with the insults, you yourself can be an animal akin to pigs(who live on literal shit) and other animals that rape or cannibalise but don't lump in with you
>narcissism
No, rather it's narcissistic of you to assume your worship is needed and claiming about god that which does not fit him, for worshipping god is simply attesting the truth of his supremacy. Nothing more nothing less, and it benfits you more then it does god as he has no need for it, and you need it more then he does as he has no need for he is self sufficient.
>pork and hygiene
True to your description of yourself as an animal unfortunately, as for pork you are simply wrong, just check the W.H.O, C.D.C and educate yourself on the matter. Or don't, as you yourself said you're an animal so you may not care for higher aspirations or knowledge
>universal truths
Generally speaking it shouldn't be controversial to say that "discipline is better then negligence or hedonism" so idk why you're being pedantic or choosing this specific hill to die on
>99% of the time you should just follow your desire
I would say that this is also a poor position to hold unto, just following your desires lead to rape kidnapping murder and stealing, and such cases are way more then 1%, not to mention obesity and the like.
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>>34960919
>touching hot stuff
you're conflating reflexes with desires which is a false equivalence.
>this tell us who you are
Not an animal, i hope i clarified that.
>virtue
Already explained it above
>there is no logic
You explicitly said you're an animal and stated that desires(not logic) are your compass, so logic is clearly not your concern
>the reason is because "i" say so
No, it is because *god* says so.
>1400 years ago and eye witnesses
That's more of a historical debate and there were eye witnesses, but you don't care, because you don't believe them or believe that the books accurately recorded their statements or some other some such excuse, and ultimately i don't see much of a point to going into it cause you explicitly stated desire to be your compass and described yourself as an animal, however, if you're ever interested in learning about such things then do your research, it's not like any of this information is hidden, same as the research from the CDC&WHO

>>34959331
I literally don't understand how porn can make you anything. I knew I was a fag since age 11 or possibly earlier, and even before that I found girls annoying as shit.

>>34960919
(part 1)
>One month out of a whole year
It doesn't matter how long it is. To suggest there are *any* circumstances under which a dehydrated man not drinking water is an indication of moral virtue is an utter obscenity, and you should be ashamed of saying it.
>Calm down with the insults
It's not an insult, it's a statement of fact. I am an animal, you are an animal, every single human being on earth is an animal, the prophet Mohammed was an animal. Homo Sapiens, the human species, is a species of animal. Somewhere between 5 and 8 million years ago, there was an animal species whose modern day descendants include Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and humans. We're ALL animals. That's a matter of scientific fact. You might want to to remember that before using the word "animal" as an insult. And forgetting that humans are merely one species of animal among many can be dangerous.
>No, rather it's narcissistic of you to assume your worship is needed
If God doesn't need my worship, then he's not going to get angry and punish me if I don't worship him, is he? But we know that isn't true. As someone who doesn't worship God, I'm headed to Jahannam. If I don't dedicate my entire life to constantly telling God how wonderful he is, he will get angry and punish me forever, like some kind of thin-skinned, divine Donald Trump. Narcissism is the only word for that.
>Generally speaking it shouldn't be controversial to say that "discipline is better then negligence or hedonism"
And yet it is controversial because you have yet to provide the slightest shred of justification for that claim. Assertion is not proof.
(to be continued)

>>34961756
(part 2)
>I would say that this is also a poor position to hold unto
Then you'd be wrong. Right now, for example, I want to sit up a little straighter, because my injured back is getting a little uncomfortable; but according to you, indulging my desires is a sin, so I guess I shouldn't do what I want? Of course, this is a ridiculous moral position and I'm going to ignore it, do what I want to, and sit up. Situations like this are vastly, VASTLY more common than the kind of thing you have in mind: I decide whether to sit up a little at least a hundred times more often than I decide whether to have sex or not. So, if it is your position that actually this kind of thing is morally permissible, then you have to admit that I'm right, and doing what you want is better than not doing what you want more than 99% of the time. And that, in turn, means the idea that not doing what you want is morally virtuous is intrinsically absurd BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION.
>you're conflating reflexes with desires which is a false equivalence.
No, I'm not. I could choose to stay in an uncomfortable position, but I'm choosing not to, because I don't want to.
(continued in part 3)

>>34961760
(part 3)
>But, but, obesity-
Of course doing something TO EXCESS is a problem, but that is a pointless truism. Doing literally anything to excess is a problem, by definition. That's what "to excess" means. PRAYING to excess is a problem: if you keep doing it for long enough without any interruptions you'll die of thirst. But the fact that too much prayer will prove fatal does not, by itself, mean that praying is morally wrong, and to suggest that it does mean this would be deranged. Arguing that because praying to excess is dangerous, it must be morally virtuous not to pray when you want to is equally absurd. But that argument holds, regardless of the activity you're talking about: if it is a logical fallacy to say that "Because excess prayer is dangerous, resisting the urge to pray must be virtuous", then it is equally fallacious to say "Because doing X to excess is bad for you, not doing X when you want to must be virtuous"; and that holds true, regardless of what X is. In particular, to suggest that because eating to excess is bad for you, not eating when you want to must be virtuous is every bit as stupid as making that argument about prayer would be.
>But, but, rape-
If you're going to argue that doing something to another person that causes them enormous pain, fear, and distress is morally wrong, I've got no issue with that. But it is the impact on the other person that makes it wrong. To argue that because rape is wrong, choosing not to have highly mutually enjoyable consensual sex must be morally virtuous is, again, absurd. There's not a shred of logic to this. (And, as a side issue, if you knew anything at all about the phenomenon of rape, you would know that it is NOT the result of a man being unable to control his sexual urges).
(continued in part 4)

>>34961766
(part 4)
>No, it is because *god* says so
But I have to take your word for that, right? If God ever says it to me directly, I'll take it seriously. Until then, it is simply men telling me, not God, and there's no reason for me to listen to that, or to believe it.
>That's more of a historical debate
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no witnesses to the original encounter in the cave, later other people saw Gabriel, but conveniently only ever IN HUMAN FORM - sometimes disguised as specific members of the prophet's household, if I recall. "Oh yes, that definitely wasn't that guy who lives with me, it was definitely the archangel Gabriel disguised as that guy who lives with me." We're supposed to take claims like that seriously?
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>thread turned to debate about islam

>>34960532
>>34960554
I know he is not perfect, never said that, i just said i love him and thats it

>cognitive dissonance
yeah bro i know its contradictory and that is exactly the point of it, earth is hell and i wont live in it, i love jesus and god and im in love with a man and that makes me gay which is antinatural and a mortal sin, maybe in the heat of venting and writing the post i did make it seem like i am some liberal type of christian but im not

celibacy is something that i think about a lot, i already repent the other sexual encounters i had which i must say, luckily, werent a lot, but in reality my disdain for women grows more and more and the image of me spending time with a woman for the rest of my life fades out more as that happens

>your afterlife, as a christian it's not like i think you're going to heaven or anything
got news for you towelhead

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>>34959331
>THE PORN DID IT
Nah. You're just mentally ill like the rest of us. The theories on faggotry/fetishes being caused by the environment have always been completely wrong.
The same millions of people can go through the same abuse or see the same media and not become you. Deal with it

>>34963090
Also you're fucking retarded for bitching about women when gay men are way worse than foids.

I hate you religious cultists so fucking much. Do the planet a favor and kill yourselves.

>>34959331
Youre not gay, youre just lost
Turn to god and have faith he will give you a kind beautiful wife

>>34963231
Shut the fuck up retard.

>>34959684
Cope. Been exposed to porn since 6 and never had a single gay thought or curiosity about gay porn. You were either poisoned in your mother's womb or you weren't.

>>34963242
Kys tranny
No real frog would encourage op's behavior

>>34963313
You're a metaphysicalet that's why I called you a retard. Can't even capitalize the big G.

>>34959331
From a Christian perspective, im pretty sure being gay is a sin.
But at the same time, Jesus died for your sins so if you don't sin at all, his sacrifice was basically in vain, like letting a gift card expire.
But to be serious, i think the reason being gay is a sin is because it's a worldly attachment thats closely connected to hedonism, since two men can't make baby, it's like casual sex.
But on the other hand, there are many sins, and not all of them are equally bad, right? Like getting drunk vs murder and stuff like that. I just can't see gays as being such bad sinners compared to all the things in the world.
So see if you can get into a relationship with him and just try to be a good person otherwise.
If you don't, you might regret it for a long time and even come to resent Christians.
If it's actual love, I think it would be sad to pass by on it.

>>34959331
>porn made me gay
Unlikely. Typically this doesn't happen.

>>34959331
nigga you gay
be a fag and be free

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Gay dudes don't really carry contempt for women like OP does, so I don't think he's actually gay. Maybe just exceptionally touch-starved.