>>34964217
There is no better man experience than working on an oil rig for 6 months

trans people do not magically change long term ingrained interests and shit

>>34964217
>I want to change this person
Huh why? You don't even have anything in common lol, why is that person even your friend then? LOL

>>34964217
It's your moral obligation to encourage her not to transition, or to detransition if it's too late for prevention.

>>34964285
It's your moral obligation to rope lol

>>34964294
You're driving your "friend" towards that fate.

>>34964322
you are the reason for those suicide figures you pretend to care about

>>34964345
You are. No one has ever killed themselves from being told that they're fine the way they are, that they weren't born wrong, and that they can learn how to love themselves if they try. Your message is the complete opposite of those.

>>34964349
Yeah they weren't born wrong and they are fine the way they are (gender dysphoric) which is why they need healthcare and acceptance lol

>>34964369
>they're fine the way they are (miserable)
You should be helping her towards happiness and wellness, not pushing her further into her misery. She needs to accept herself first and foremost, which involves making peace with her biological sex. No one ever attained happiness by rejecting the truth in favor of a fabricated identity. What you're offering is not acceptance, you're telling her that she can't accept herself and will never find acceptance anywhere other than at the end of a scalpel. Your conduct here is monstrous and requires rethinking.

>>34964388
>No one ever attained happiness by rejecting the truth in favor of a fabricated identity

i did lol

many of the people in my social circle did

i assume my happiness doesn't count because of reasons, if i detransitioned i would kill myself within a year

>>34964217
Punch bro in the face and give bro a black eye, that's a quintessential male experience.

>>34964397
No, you didn't. No one can outrun reality itself. The truth will come home to roost eventually, and it will be disastrous for you in your current state. The defensive attitude you currently display is proof that you don't have peace of mind, you don't have self-esteem, and you don't have good will towards others. None of the building blocks of happiness are present in you. You're currently just riding a temporary high.

>>34964405
20 years in and its still goin okay idk how temporary we are talking here

>>34964410
Even the thin facade you're clinging to will crumble eventually, if you don't find yourself some stable footing that isn't built on self deception. It would be better to put the work in now rather than wait until you don't have any other choice.

>>34964217
it's almost like they're not a man, it's almost like they only like shit women like. weird.

>>34964413
what's the timeline on that looking like? i did know a woman who transitioned in her early 20s and i unfortunately attended her funeral recently (died at 63), i guess she lucked out by her temporary high lasting 40 years


for me personally even if my facade crumbled tomorrow and i suddenly decided i was miserable (whatever the fuck that means like ???) i would still be satisfied having gotten to spend my 20s and 30s happy instead of miserable and hating myself

>>34964430
You are miserable and hating yourself. That's how you've spent the last 20 years, no matter how hard you claim otherwise. That's why you're running from the true self in pursuit of a false, imagined self. It's only a question of how much longer you can continue lying to yourself, because no one can go on that way forever. No amount of self-indulgence now will make the pain later feel worthwhile. If it's going to be bad enough to commit suicide over, that alone should tell you that there won't be any optimistic thoughts like "at least I had fun" left over. It will be all regret, all misery and all hopelessness.

>>34964437
how exactly do you think you know all this?

>>34964453
I know it from first-hand experience. I narrowly avoided the outcome I'm warning you against, and I see all of the indications that you'll end up in the same position if you don't start rethinking things now. I hope you'll give it consideration.

>>34964468
Have you considered that not everyone is the same as you and that you are not the main character of the universe?

>>34964468
oh thanks ill throw out my own first hand experience and replace it with yours

>>34964470
The conditions for happiness are the same for everyone, because someone who rejects reality is by definition not happy. Meaning the only happiness in the world always and necessarily comes from the acceptance of reality. The more you run from it, reject it, and try to cover it up, the harder it will snap back at you. These are inviolable universal laws. I learned them the law way, and unfortunately it seems like you will as well.

>>34964476
my reality is that im gender dysphoric which is treated by transitioning its not that complicated

>>34964481
Your reality is that you refuse to accept yourself and your actual sex, so you've gone along with an invented identity supported by a false diagnosis. No one is born with "gender dysphoria", nor is that a real condition. That would be like an alcoholic claiming to have "sobriety dysphoria". The problem begins and ends with you and your outlook, it can never be solved by body alterations or getting the rest of the world to play along with a fantasy. The more time and energy you spend building up this sand castle, the more devastating it will be when it collapses.

>>34964496
you are delusional

>>34964531
This entire conversation is predicated on the fact that you think a person can become happy by deluding themselves. If you're calling me delusional from a position of self-delusion, that's the same as you calling me sane. Your views, by their very nature, won't cohere with reality.

>>34964539
what am i deluded about?

you seem to believe gender dysphoria doesn't exist which is just patently untrue no natter how much you hate trannies

i am acutely aware of the fact i was born in alignment with a certain sexual categorisation, which is dissonant from my intuitive self perception and desired social role. i underwent medical treatment to alter many but not all of those sexual characteristics, causing me to be percieved by myself and by society ib alignment with my instinctual self perception which allayed my discomfort with that dissonance

>>34964217
>he is very against the idea
Ok then don't. You're inventing a problem.

>>34964559
You're clearly in defence mode which means there is some truth to what the anon you're arguing with is saying, even if you don't know it consciously.

>>34964559
Trans logic is shit, lets say I am a white male. I want to be Chinese so I begin to get surgery to become more Chinese looking, dying my skin etc this is not delusional? This is actually acceptable? I'm internally Chinese so it can't be racist nor can it be false that I’m not actually Chinese and if you say I'm not chinese you're a bigot.

>>34964578
a guy is spreading misinformation that will tangibly harm people like me in a public space, i would be amiss to leave it unchallenged

if i were the only tranny on earth i wouldn't be replying

>>34964589
there's a great deal of difference in the construction of race compared to gender that make this comparison not really work

that said if this was an earnest cohort of people with genuine racial dysphoria (not a hypothetical some guy made up) then the solution would not be to tell them to go kill themselves or whatever, no

>>34964596
using unnecessarily elaborate language to create an appearance of authority lol. Gender dysphoria exists just as Schizophrenia exists but the difference is we don't support a Schizophrenics delusions of grandeur because it's wrong and harmful yet we support people with Gender dysphoria to the point where they mutilate themselves, ingest chemicals that change their bodies and more. weird isn't it.

>>34964604
>what am i deluded about?
kek, how far down the rabbit hole did you go?
If you can't see the irony, you're deluded buddy.

>>34964618
sorry i actually went to university

>>34964618
mald lol

>>34964604
>born male or female
>born one of many races
>mfw you can't be just stuck as another race because it just doesn't work that way
>mfw you can't just be stuck as another gender because it just doesn't work that way
Hello? Are you even processing what you're saying or is it bypassing the reasoning part of your brain?

>>34964628
race is culturally constructed around heritage, nationality, family etc, the racial category you're placed in is based on a lot more than your body, whereas sex category is soley the function of randomly assigned traits

a machine that altered one's body down to the molecular level could make a white guy a white girl by any meaning of the word but no such change could make a white guy be chinese in most of the ways that matter. a transracial identity is not comparable to a transgender one

>>34964626
>sorry i actually went to university
I would be too, clearly it was a waste of time and money.

what's up with 'murica and troons

>>34964644
the logical fallacy is right there, i wonder if you can spot it.

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>>34964397
Didn't argue that it wasn't true, on some level you know you're living a lie.

>>34964679
depends what you mean by 'lie' but sure if that helps you sleep at night

okay, beyond all of the above trans culture war stuff.

>because we all know each other for almost a decade.
>he is very against the idea of trying new things because "not my thing" and im having a hard time trying to handle him because it feels like we dont share anything in common.

no, introducing a friend to new experiences isn't a strange thing to want to do, but your friend sounds quite juvenile with the "not my thing" line. it's a bit weird that you don't seem to have anything in common after a decade of friendship, but it makes sense if her previous interests were more sex-segregated.

now that she is a he, have you introduced him to things that you like and tried to get him to see why it is you enjoy them? if he doesn't have any interest in that, i'm not sure how much you can really call him a "friend". or maybe you could invite him to hang out and shoot the shit with some other male friends? is he interested in anything physical or competitive at all? does he like beer? is he alright listening to you all discuss what women (or men) you find attractive, or will he start interjecting moralizing lectures?

there's also always the easiest approach here: trying something new together. that way if you both hate it you can bond over that, or laugh at everyone else who seems to take it so seriously. and if you like it, you've found something you can mutually enjoy. win-win!

i think it really comes down to what it is you two consider to be "man" experiences. i also have to wonder... why is it you feel you need to "handle" him? is he a difficult person to be around, even when he was a she? transitioning won't change that, if that's what you're hoping.

>>34964559
>what am i deluded about?
You believe that a person can be born in a way that prevents them from being happy until they've had "gender affirming care".
You believe that there exists an invisible non-physical sub-sex called "gender", despite no evidence of such a thing ever existing.
You believe that a person can delude themselves into a state of happiness, and that happiness doesn't innately rest on a foundation of truth.
You believe that happiness comes from the outside and works its way inward, rather than that happiness begins inwardly and works its way outward.

>you seem to believe gender dysphoria doesn't exist
There are people who are deeply resentful towards the reality of their sex and let that resentment ruin their lives and their happiness. That does not make "gender dysphoria" a legitimate diagnosis. Those people need to be led away from gender ideology, not deeper into it. They need to be taught that gender does not matter because it does not truly exist, they do not need to be chained to the notion of gender and told that it matters more than life itself.

>causing me to be percieved by myself and by society ib alignment with my instinctual self perception
There is no instinctual self perception, and no one sees you the way you want them to see you. Everyone sees you as a poor misguided fool who got taken advantage of by a system that cares more about dollars than lives.

>>34964596
>a guy is spreading misinformation that will tangibly harm people like me in a public space
That's what you're doing.

OP here, my thread got destroyed into oblivion

>>34964730
>i think it really comes down to what it is you two consider to be "man" experiences. i also have to wonder... why is it you feel you need to "handle" him? is he a difficult person to be around, even when he was a she? transitioning won't change that, if that's what you're hoping.

im ESL so maybe I did not use the correct term, but its rather that this is a new experience for me at least so I have to get used to a new set of boundaries after being with the same set of boundaries for a long time

as for the rest of your post, yeah i think im just gonna do that, beat the shit out of him, force him into an oil rig for 6 months and then we can maybe play fighting arcade games since I believe he fucks with those at bare minimun.

>>34964217
you should fuck him. is he on T or not?

>>34964294
It's in everyone's best interests to commit suicide. If you're so brainwashed you need to frame it through so called "morality" (imaginary value judgements) then fine. If you are in America you should go Adam Lanza first. Value is making your existence miserable. Total organism death.