i understand how annoying it can be to see people to know fall down this pipeline but offering a female perspective, it can be incredibly hard not to feel this way. sexual harassment and mild assaults are a regular part of life for girls from puberty onwards, and sometimes before. think about how many people on this website have black fatigue from them committing a little over 50% of crime. now consider that men commit over 90% of violent crime.

not saying how she feels is correct just that it's not completely irrational. for every good man in her life there are 10 more memories of men who leered at her or groped her from middle school onwards. the best way to prove her wrong is to simply be a good man and display positive traits. if she ignores that she's completely retarded and probably a lost cause. you'll never convince her all men as a group are good or safe because in reality most people in general aren't, and men present a larger danger to women. that's life.

>>34973124
just ignore it man, we are all seeking connections with others and when we open "social media" its all dehumanizing drivel that demoralizes you and points to this one to blame that one to blame.

Seek positive news, keep your friends close, enemies far.

Your sis is her own person, she can think and post what she wants.
You are your own person, you can decide to engage or not with her.

I mean really, no rule says "thee shall not tell your sister "fix your attitude when you talk to me"".

If she values relationship with you over her trauma (I see you didnt mention father in your story, which explains both of you) she will learn to regulate at least in your company.

If not, you keep her at length.

Its a non issue. YOu dont have to take shit from anyone (thats your decision), but you also cannot make anyone approach you in a way you want and consider sane, that is their decision.

>>34973140
I understand, and sympathize with that. It's not something I'll ever experience firsthand, being a man. What I take issue with is the generalization. She is essentially agreeing with the idea that all men are evil and complicit. We're not. I'm not friends with anyone like that, none of the men in our family have ever done anything like that (if anything, my uncle was a phenomenal male role model for us both, but moreso for her), and I just can't fathom the idea of lumping us in with literal rapists and violent criminals. And there's no nuance in this conversations, if I were to say this in that instagram thread, people would be replying to me en masse calling me the most horrific shit imaginable.

>>34973146
My father was verbally abusive (yelling, screaming, being scary) and it fucked her up, but I'm not sure what that means when you say it explains me. And she's her own person, yes, but I don't want to have a relationship with her if she's a man-hater, which it seems she is.

>>34973165
unfortunately this is one generalization where she's more likely to be correct than incorrect, so it's really hard to get out of the echo chamber once she's in it. even if you don't verbally contradict her at all and just show her you're a good guy through her actions, she'll probably just think of you as 'one of the good ones' and not a contradiction to her mindset

>>34973124
Chicks post this stuff all the time. It's just standard issue, your problem is that you take it seriously.

>>34973165
it explains you because out of fear of being seen as violent you refuse to enforce your boundaries with women. So you overallow shit.

it explains her because she is reliving her trauma every day in her subconscious and is reacting to it every time something triggers her.

All of it is understandable, and simultaneously, all of it is not healthy for either.

You have to learn to enforce boundaries and not take blame for what your father did.

And she has to forgive herself for what she think she allowed because she was a child and wanted to survive. And stop venting that on you and men in general. It wount help her form good relationships. Unfortunately sick people attract sick people. And narcissists and other vermin love to play with drama sources rich as trauma survivors.


I wish you both luck.

>>34973140
>sexual harassment and mild assaults are a regular part of life for girls
I wish a girl would sexually harass me.

Ur sister is already gone lol.
Prepare for her to get worse, soon she'll make herself as ugly as possible to 'fight the male gaze' and show her communist/anarchist ideology.
She will shit test you at every opportunity and she'll get deeper into self-righteous toxic groups, online and irl.
Theres nothing you can do, consider her dead.
Get a job so you can move out and try to spend as little time with her as possible.
Toxic people are energy black holes, she considers you her enemy, you can't change that by arguments or by appeasing her/being a doormat.
You can't fix her because she doesn't want to be fixed.
Stand up for yourself and get away from her. That's the best you can do.

>>34973208
scroll through your local sex offender registry and ask yourself if you think anyone would enjoy attention from the people on there

>>34973222
Most reasonable response. Befriend people more mature then her.

>>34973208
I get sexually harassed and stalked by women often and it's not fucking fun. Awful abusive women stick together like glue, it's sad how many good women get intimidated by BPDemons who monger the local dating pool.

>>34973233
how do you notice women stalking you and which aspects bother you? i've low-level stalked guys before and i've always justified it by telling myself they probably didn't notice and some people are worse but it's probably just cope

>>34973190
Thank you for the thoughtful reply. You've made me think about myself, and I've come to realize you may be right.

Can I ask how you came to your conclusion? I guess what I mean is, did you study psychology? Is this just from your brain? I want to be better at analyzing both myself, and others in the way that you can.

>>34973124
>She's no better than a femcel. What do?
Exactly, and there is nothing you can do to fix her, this is something she has to do.
In my case I was lucky that my sister was the bigger person. Do not ever let the gender war ragebait get to you. It's okay to hate leftists, it's not okay to hate women.

>>34973244
Can I ask why hating one group is okay, but not the other? I don't disagree; leftists are responsible for much of the gender and race war discourse, but seeing as majority women are leftist, where is the line drawn?

>>34973124
I'm not actually seeing anything wrong with your picrel there. That 57 people knew a gang rape was happening and none of them reported it is just a fact, and a rather shameful one. Maybe it's a case of "not all man but all men in frat houses" but she still has a point.

t. man who would have reported it

>>34973238
Always in my recommendations, always befriending accounts I follow, adding me and unadding me, staring at me obsessively in public, getting too close/being a proximity vampire when she knows I'm not feeling her, always telling their friends I want her when its the other way around EVERY FUCKING TIME, touching when I don't want to be touched (especially by her), following me, frequenting places I frequent, feigning friendships with people she knows im close to, injecting herself into situations/conversations she's not involved in, following.my professional account while eternally hiding in the bushes elsewhere, waiting until I'm alone at the club to go full creep on me, touching my dick, touching my dick or ass casually as we pass eachother, feeling up on my body when I didn't invite her to, waiting until we're alone before she says the most dick-headed rapey would-be trump type bullshit to me (expecting me to play it cool because muh social dynamic), trying to add me on socials while trying to sway public opinion about me (all because I rejected her or something), being cold-contacted late at night to send her lewd photos, pressuring sex to happen, sending me nudes she didnt earn sending, I could go on and on.
What don't I like about it? Fucking everything.

Truly from the bottom of my heart, I know some of the best and bravest women on earth and people like you are a fucking nightmare. You always get proven to be creeps but more people are getting comfortable with actually calling women like you that.

Let me tell you with no bias.
I know some die-hard grabbythepussycornell7 type trumpers, I also know some die-hard riot grrrl ultradevinemypussyisgod feminists.
Both of them are exactly the same when it comes to getting away with sexual abuse.
One is a boys club, one is a girl gang. both will drug and rape you, avoid accountability, and stick with their own to ensure the group isnt singled out for individual crimes.

I hope hell exists so you can pay.

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>>34973124
>What do
nothing
there is nothing to be gained from those political discussions/oppositions with family members.
dodge the topic, and if your sister is at least half smart, she'll do the same
if she doesn't, cut her off / ignore.

to the point, when you say something like
>all men are rapists
you haven't said anything much.
yeah, they are, to some degree. because it's not a yes/no, it's a gradient.
the same man doing the same thing will be perceived by woman#1 as bold, confident and hot, and will put her in the mood for some action, while woman#2 will call the cops. is he a rapist? not a yes/no.
it's the same deeply evolution-integrated software that makes a man respectfully flirt, drunkenly slap an ass, rape an unconscious woman, just tuned differently. men go for it.
it's how the species keep going. if men stop doing men things, nothing happens because women don't take the first step. when a man has 0% sexual aggressiveness in him, he doesn't get to reproduce at all.
saying this is then akin to say
>all women want to be raped
yeah they, do, to some degree. the women that have this setting at 0% close their legs forever and don't get to reproduce and wither out of the gene pool. so what?

>>34973278
Ive never been this open about my abuse, it's surreal. I hope this is at least copied and pasted by other's who share the experience. You fucks get found out every time but not quick enough.

>>34973271
Only a coward would not do everything they could to save that girl. That 57 excuses, left or right.

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>>34973124
She need some discipline.

>>34973270
That's a good question and I can't really give you an answer, it's just what I learned over many fights with my sister, who has more leftist views, i.e. I learned to respect her.
Technically hating any one group is not okay, but there are less direct negative consequences to directing your frustration at other races or political camps than there are to hating women.
Ideally you would respect anyone regardless of their race, religion and political views, but respect is a limited resource. I had to make women a godlike entity in my head to suppress my inner incel, and I feel a lot more like a normal man as a result.

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>>34973289
>Only a coward would not do everything they could to save that girl. That 57 excuses, left or right.
Well... only a coward, or someone who didn't see anything wrong with what was happening. I suspect it was more the latter.

>>34973124
Just make fun of her. Like in racist chud discussions I drop something like "kek, white people are being replaced. No more white people, good. Did you hear about the immigrant caravan the other day? Haha, white people are dead and no one will miss us, good riddance."
The gender version in this case would be llike: "Ha ha, women are so pathetic and have no agency, so men will rape and oppress you, ha ha, and all you can do is helplessly whine. Women have no agency or accountability and will just be helpless victims forever. Good for you."
Or rather, just take whatever rhetoric they already believe in, whatever NPC take pops into mind, put it in a blender, and "agree and amplify". Stop taking stuff so seriously. Those 7 men graped her good didn't they? Kek, they sure did, it was so hilarious. That's why Islam is right about women. Women should cover up and not go to parties at all so horrible crimes like this don't happen anymore! Men are so bad, we can't help ourselves ::uwu::.
I say this as a female. The chick at cornell, was it Craig? She deserved to get raped and the guys deserves whatever punishment they get. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

>>34973124
Tell her hormones made them do it. There's not enough public awareness of how hard it is to be a male, and everything we go through. Criticizing the those 57 men is heartless and able-ist. WE ARE THE CORNELL 7! Wear red and white in solidarity.

>>34973165
>What I take issue with is the generalization.
Out of curiosity, what percentage of men would have to be rape apologists before you would consider it acceptable for women to start generalising about it? And how many times does a woman have to be sexually harassed or assaulted before she's allowed to be angry about it? Or, what percentage of women she knows have to be harassed or assaulted before she's allowed to be angry about that?

>She is essentially agreeing with the idea that all men are evil and complicit. We're not. I'm not friends with anyone like that, none of the men in our family have ever done anything like that (if anything, my uncle was a phenomenal male role model for us both, but moreso for her), and I just can't fathom the idea of lumping us in with literal rapists and violent criminals.
In your original pic, the person who posted that wasn't saying 57 out of 57 men were rapists, they were saying 57 out of 57 men knew what was happening and did nothing to prevent it. If you had been on that group chat, would you have called the police? Perhaps you would; perhaps you're decent enough to intervene. But an awful lot of men wouldn't; an awful lot of men tolerate rape happening without standing up and saying loudly "That's not okay".

Rape is not the result of a mysterious aberration in the men who do it. Rape happens because men are brought up and live in a society where men do not condemn rape. And even men who say "That's not my problem because I would never do that" ARE part of the problem. You're only not part of the problem if you don't say "That's not my problem".

The percentage of men who actually rape is not that high; but the percentage of men who don't condemn rape is MUCH higher. And they are part of the problem.

t. man who condemns it

>go to frat house
>drink
>take ketamine
wtf did she expect lmao

>>34973300
A brown man made this post
>>34973333
Checked

A good dicking will set her right.

>> Hear what I say about the greatest evil of all, the one called Woman They look like angels on the outside, soft, gentle and well formed, enough to turn even an honest man's head. But under this pretty skin there's a devil who only cares for trinkets and finery, and thinks nothing of stealing or whoring to get them... Forget about women's skin-deep beauty If thine eyes offend thee, pluck them out! If thine tongue offends, cut it out! Return to God! Pray and beg him to free you from base desires. Beg him for forgiveness for being brought into this world by a woman!

>>34973140
>10 more memories of men who leered at her
Looking at a woman is sexual assault?

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>>34973487
>ignorantia juris non excusat
you're supposed to know the law anon

if you're a bad-looking / short / older man, it is sexual assault
otherwise it's fine

>>34973271
>>34973289
Except it was not a gang rape you simp retards. The slut consented to it and texted the man who supposedly "organized" it that she loves him tha day later.

>>34973540
she behaved like a whore and an idiot, but it's still rape the second she starts sleeping (ket+alcohol will make you sleep thru anything) and they bring another dude in

>>34973487
When I've heard women talk about this kind of thing, it's usually not
>Ew, this mildly unattractive guy gave me a friendly smile and looked at me!
it's usually more of a minor case of stalking. Like having a guy, often with obvious mental issues, following them around a store and very obviously watching her. Often seems to lead to the guy approaching her and trying to proposition her for a date or casual sex, and usually involves pushy salesman-like tactics. Even without social anxiety or whatever that a lot of anons have, it's the type of thing that can make people become really distrustful quickly. The lesson people often take from that kind of experience is
>I am not safe at the grocery store and need to be hyper-vigilant when I'm there.
It wears on them because they can't avoid going out to places where they have a bad encounter.

>>34973124
Be compassionate and supportive of her. Understand that she's been hurt horribly and give her a safe place to express herself.

>>34973124
It's literally a fad. Women troop gathering and are more socially compliant than men.
She'll be back to defending a child killer next week or something.
Also, each to their own..Transcend by simply not caring what other people do or say.

>>34973140
Yet you prefer patriarchy and BBC bulls lol
Also the capability of violence is not the tendency of violence. Men are less likely to belittle than females IE punch down.
Im curious if you’ll give an actual response to this (won’t.)

>>34973124
Cut all ties with your sister, she is a militiant feminist and will bring you down.

>>34973333
fuck off i have a million problems and not getting involved in matters whores get themselves involved into will not be one of them.

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>>34973386
lmao based af

>>34975350
That's your prerogative, just don't try to claim you aren't actively supporting rapists when you are. You can support rapists OR you can complain when women say you're supporting rapists, but you can't support rapists AND complain when people point out that you're doing it. Pick one.

>>34975456
nah illl pick whatever third choice exists outside of your feminist hell hole - you cannot and will not ever succeed in your quest here. Police your own kind to stop being stupid whores and start with some god damn female accountability. Men have enough problems in this day in age. Like I complain about a million other things women do than say I'm a rapist or supporting them because that's fucking ludicrous - their the ones actively choosing rapists. its fucking 2024 in this case, you want to pretend that girl didn't know about what goes in frat houses?

>>34973140
I just dont have sympathy for someone who joined a drug fueled orgy. Sorry. Everyone is in the wrong in a drug fueled orgy.

Women shouldnt be benefiting from this behavior either.

>>34973239
Sure thing man, glad I could help.

And thanks for your kind words.

>Can I ask how you came to your conclusion? I guess what I mean is, did you study psychology? Is this just from your brain? I want to be better at analyzing both myself, and others in the way that you can.

Basically I am curious about a lot of things and I notice patterns in people's childhood, character, experiences. They are often connected.
When you notice enough of it with many people, you can make quality assumptions that if correct feed you mmore data and strengthen your hypothesis.

Things I recommend to be better in understanding self and others:

1. curiosity - you have it, but it has to be strong and stable over long period of time
2. journaling - write about your emotions daily (in your laptop or phone if password protected, it has to be private) and try to see how your emotions lead to certain behaviors and that leads to certain experiences.
3. read books that spark your interest - you will find every info you need, if you read what you feel inspired to read


They are ordered in priority bdw, and journaling is deffo most important once you are curious enough.

But books are useful and have their place. I dont wanna push you in any direction because, if you go deep enough you will find all the info every seeker finds eventually.
But our ways differ, because we come from different backgrounds and are open for different parts of the puzzle at different times.

So, just stay curious and explore yourself, your world, your people. You will learn. Its fairly simple really. As long as you keep searching, you will keep finding.

>>34975653
Thanks man. I appreciate it. I started reading "The Courage to be Disliked" a year ago, as a means to try to understand, and overcome, my passivity. I unfortunately dropped it, but perhaps I'll pick it back up.

Of course, if you have any recommendations, I would be glad to check them out. Thanks again friend.

>>34975492
>Police your own kind
I am. I'm an XY male.

>>34975663
Glad I could help again friend.

Courage is absolutely needed trait.

The thing with people from abusive homes, is that, there is tendency to paint with wide brush because abuse happens when they are still small and think simplistically.
"I am not gonna be like my father/mother! because I hate them for what they did to me. I will be different, an opposite!"

Because the scope of injury is great, the scope of spite and desire to "not be same" is great.

But that is not precise.
From angry father who cant self regulate, being a passive son is an act of almost noble spite.
Its understandable.
But its not constructive.

Like, some people die of high fever. Fever has its negative effect beyond certain temps.
BUT, fever has POSITIVE effects up until that temp. It accellerates body metabolism, it enables fighting against pathogens in almost sped up mode, its a performance booster.

Similarly anger - to live in anger is wrong, and it does kill some people or makes their relationships hellish for everyone.
BUT, anger has a purpose.

To just hate fever and never get fever no matter how sick you get, is not smart.
To hate being angry and never get angry or confrontational or even assertive - no matter how much someone pushes your buttons and oversteps your boundaries - is simply not smart also.

I think a lot of healing from abuse is realizing it was not your fault what people did + it was not your fault for adaptations you developed to surivive the abuse.

When you can make peace, from that point onwards you can build new self that is better aligned / healed.

Which would mean in your case prioritizing self and being assertive when your boundaries are crossed.
Your gut will tell you when it happens.

And speaking out when it does. We cannot control how people approach us. Thats simply anxiety fuel to even to try.

But we can and should determine who we engage with and under which conditions.

You can do it! Self compassion + persistency ; )

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>>34973124
>Talking to your mom about your girlfriend
>Sister runs in and takes your girlfriends side
"Fuck off Mindy, nobody gives a fuck what you think"

>>34973271
>>34973333
watch this scene from forest gump and tell me if you are still suprised that men decided to not report it, if you don't know the whole context about what is happening between woman and man, why should you intervene in their private matters?
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/XYRc-1dVilc

>>34975682
you are a cuck no extremely oppressed man by feminists would refer to himself as an "XY male" we are not the same

none of this matters because this logic stops breeding, in few years/decades islam will take over and women will lose their rights and if you're just employed and convert you'll get married to women considered underage (now but will be legal under islam) when you're 50-60 while your sister will become a slave

Kill your sister
Jkjk
Tell her to never talk to you again

>>34976042
But it wasn't private. Someone was literally advertising "free pussy upstairs" to the entire group and inviting people to join them. Someone else asked "Is the shop still open?"

You know they do a survey where they ask people at Cornell (among other things) if they have ever "experienced nonconsensual sexual contact involving physical force, threats of force or incapacitation". In 2023, 23% of female undergraduates said they had. By 2025 that was up to 35%. I seriously don't know how anyone can not be horrified by those kinds of numbers. This isn't a rare thing, it's in danger of becoming the norm.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/cornell-survey-showed-increase-reports-nonconsensual-sexual-contact-fe-rcna600663

>>34973487
>Looking at a woman is sexual assault?
Aggressive staring is a threat. Don't play dumb.

>>34976300
>In 2023, 23% of female undergraduates said they had. By 2025 that was up to 35%.
Gee it's almost as if self reporting data especially during a moral panic, is unreliable..?

>>34975492
>its fucking 2024 in this case, you want to pretend that girl didn't know about what goes in frat houses?
So, your argument is that because rapes have been known to occur in frat houses, any woman who goes into a frat house can be freely raped and the perpetrators shouldn't be held responsible?

If that is your argument, can you see why women might say "Why are ALL men like this?" in response to it, and why it is quite reasonable to put you and the actual rapist in the same category?

>>34973179
>unfortunately this is one generalization where she's more likely to be correct than incorrect
No, it's not. 90% of violent criminals being men does not make 90% of men violent criminals. Even 100% of violent criminals could be men, but that still wouldn't make the total number of male violent criminals any more than 5-10% of the population.

>>34976323
So, your argument is that the more women report being raped, the more we should ignore them all and do nothing? If that is your argument, can you see why women might say "Why are ALL men like this?" in response to it?

>>34976332
Do you make the same argument about black men?

>>34976334
You're actually very wilfully gullible if you think that data is real. These are extremely progressive students at a university. Like can you not see why this "data" is complete garbage?

>>34976337
I'd make the same argument about anyone, because truth can only be arrived at through objectivity and impartiality. Obviously there can be situations where a majority of a certain group is causing trouble, but that isn't what's being described here. What's being described is fallacious reasoning called a converse error. 100% of flashers could be men, for example, but that in no way would imply that 100% of men are flashers. The total number of flashers would be an absolutely miniscule number among the male population, so you could not accuse random men of being flashers and maintain a high rate of accuracy.

>>34973140
And yet hating on all men is completely normalized, yet the blacks get a pass. curious!

>>34976300
You think rape is actually becoming more common? If that was true I could only think of two possible reasons for that, either it's due to brown people or it's becoming harder for men to have consensual sex. Which one is it?

>>34976329
by your same logic why should men have to become emotionally intelligent and develop feminine traits? oh because its 2024 and women don't need men. Why should women not walk into likely rape scenarios? Oh because its 2024 and MeToo has been plastered over kingdom come and nearly all male only spaces have been annihilated so women should know better and not make it a real effort to go to the only spaces left and do the very things that can get result in them getting gangbanged.

>>34973124
never talk to your sister again because you can tell her that shes lumping you in with actual rapists. Thought police is coming boys.

>>34976329
>can you see why women might say "Why are ALL men like this?"
No, that would be insanely rational for anyone to say because not all men are frat bros. They could say "why are all frat bros like this?" and have a point. Saying "why are all men like this?" makes them absurd. It would be the equivalent of a man holding all women responsible for the same behavior he sees in strippers and prostitutes.

>>34976428
insanely irrational*

>>34976428
this is very rational thank you wise anon.

>>34976300
.But it wasn't private. Someone was literally advertising "free pussy upstairs" to the entire group and inviting people to join them. Someone else asked "Is the shop still open?"
and from that you would be 100% sure that she was forced because women never give their pussy for free?

>>34976527
they do for chadlites and when she is being pleasured so effectively

>>34973140
>now consider that men commit over 90% of violent crime
I didn't choose to be a man :(

>>34973124
>public and telivised executions for all involved
You are a spineless, amoral, performative bug. She is the same as you. Why are you surprised?

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>>34973124
kek I am willing to bet most of the dudes in the groupchat don't even check on the new messages I mean I am in loads of groupchats and I don't give a fuck, also the case doesn't count as rape but bullshit "people" do when drunk

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>>34976527
She allegedly asked to resume the same sex after the case has been filed, that's a whore who snorted drugs willingly

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>>34976164
Lol wild imagination anon as a Muslim, All I have to say is that it's kike propaganda against us, they should shut the fuck up when it comes to kids and don't ever think that women under Islam have no rights or wore the hijab consensually, basically a good chunk of my parliament have elected women so stop slurping kike dicks

>>34977976
*"unconsensually"

>>34973124
Rape is just penis in vagina. She consented to majority of it anyway. You're a closeted feminist and should kill yourself. Your sister should've been diddled for being a dumb whore. Hope she gets raped by a pack of minorities.