>>35002689
No, not really. Normies aren't virgins per se, but they sorta lie about having sex. Everyone just sorta prefers to masturbate. It's inherently better. Sex is a hassle. Something you do to confirm a romantic bond with someone through its sheer vulnerability and that's it. Couples do it maybe once or twice in a while. They go months without fucking. Married couples years.

>>35002728
>Couples do it maybe once or twice in a while. They go months without fucking. Married couples years.
I don't know who your frame of reference here is exactly, but what you describe is definitely not normal. Stop projecting.

>>35002689
No, it's just a myth.

>>35002689
How do you think it works op?

>>35002739
I don't know

>>35002732
It's everyone. People open up to me a lot. I guess I just have that sort of personality. They tell me what their sex life is like. They tell me that they sorta hope they come off as they have more sex than they actually do, that it's just a social status thing, but sex isn't all that great. It's an apparently universal thing.

>>35002740
Just try to explain, how you think it might happen?

>>35002741
>It's an apparently universal thing.
No, it's not. Damn sure doesn't apply to me.
Also...ever think that the people most likely to open up and complain about their sex lives are the ones most likely to have something to complain about? Why would happy satisfied couples be telling you about how little sex they have? Use some common sense anon.

>>35002756
It's happy satisfied couples who tell me this shit. They're actually quite happy with the arrangement.

>>35002756
Why are you lying about having frequent sex? Why does it matter to you people so much? Out there, sure, social status. But this is an anonymous forum. Tell the fucking truth. You don't really like sex that much

>>35002689
>socially very retarded
work on this
once you manage to enjoy small-talking with randoms about nothing and everything, you know you're in a good place. this is a skill that takes practice and work until you're good enough so that you eventually get mostly positive results, creating the necessary positive feedback loop.

talking to women you want to fuck is a specific case where you want to steer the conversation towards the fact that you're attracted to her (flirting / asking for socials, # / etc)
cheat codes: alcohol, party drugs. they're a shortcut which works but will wreck you in the long term if you don't learn to do without them.

>>35002765
I've never done it, OK?

>>35002740
stop consulting the internet and just start talking to people. if youre level 0 go into a random 711 and buy some bubble gum and chat with the clerk. If you can compliment something they are wearing and then ask them questions.
How's your day?
Doing anything interesting this weekend?
If something they say can spawn another question then ask it. Rock climbing, would you recommend that? Do you rock climb with others?
People love to talk about themselves so all you have to so is ask and sound half interested.
If the conversation goes well, ask if theyd like to go out for coffee sometime.
You arent gonna see these people ever again so who cares. You could tellthem you are going to go home and fuck your hand all night and theyd just get a laugh out of it.
Alternatively join clubs on sites like meetup. They'll do the heavy lifting for you and most there will be open to befriend you.
Once you get some experience then you should feel more comfortable approaching people.
But what you need to know is 90% of the time women arent gonna approach. You have to stop with the futa thinking of why women haven't approached you, and let your own joystick lead you around.
This separates men from boys. In animals its the male doing the song and dance. The man is the peacock.
You can approach people with stupid questions like, where is x in the city? At some point its obvious you are interested in them and its unavoidable but what else are you gonna do? If youre half way put together most women will feel flattered you showed them any interest. But you'll do better the less online bullshit you deal with.
Also if you have a friend to act as a wingman it will help loads with confidence.

>>35002761
>They're actually quite happy with the arrangement.
If they're "happy" with it, it's either because they've made peace with the arrangement or they don't actually like/aren't attracted to one another. But it's not normal.
>>35002765
>Why are you lying about having frequent sex?
Why are you double posting and samefagging?
>You don't really like sex that much
Sure I do. But depends on the partner. With my current gf, I fucking love it. With my ex-gf, who sucked in bed and I couldn't stand anyway, I came to fucking dread it. So I completely get where those "normal", "happy" couples who are allegedly telling you this stuff are coming from. My point is that there's nothing "normal" about it. Common, perhaps. But common and normal are not the same thing.

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One of my friends is fucking a new girl every like 2-4 weeks.
He is actively ruining these women for every other guy that has to settle for his sloppy seconds.

>>35002780
it's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it

>>35002772
Literally dodges the question. Caught in the lie, I guess. So, in spite of you not having or enjoying sex, and everything I said being exactly true of your experience, you believe that everyone else isn't lying like you are and just magically likes sex and has it frequently. Uh-huh. Use common sense.

>>35002805
wat ?

>>35002805
Please learn to read before this conversation can go any further anon, thx in advance.

>>35002761
>Most couples are happy to have given up on sex
Anon, people wouldn't share with you that they feel depressed they will never have satisfying sex ever again but have given up on the situation because breaking up would destroy most of what they built over their life. Even if they felt confortable enough with you to discuss this it would break them psychologically to admit it. I don't mean to be judgemental, life is harsh man. But actually believing someone is sharing they don't have a sex life anymore because they're happy about it is just delusional. They're venting, obviously.


>>35002741
>most people don't have sex and have given up on this aspect of their life/relationship
Yes. Maybe not most, but possibly.

>because sex isn't great
For you. When your physiology is stunted by eating processed food with poor nutritional value, doing no exercise, poor sleep, sitting all day at your stressful job, an unfulfilling life, and having settled for someone that is not your type, indeed sex is not great. And yeah most people do that, but thats not good, that's just you. Of course sex is great. It's the main mechanism through which life perpetuates.

>>35002765
>saying you have frequent sex necessarily means you're lying. Say the TRUTH: SEX IS NOT GREAT
Holy cognitive dissonance. The reason why you're upset is because you don't even believe what you're writing. You loved sex once, but through the pain of life you've given up. And when someone tells you they didn't give up, you have to instantly shut down the regrets and the possibilities you still have by antagonizing this other person.

Sorry but no, you didn't have to give up on sex, and we love it. It's one respectable thing to accept less sex to have a family or a certain other thing you want, but it's really pathetic to pretend not liking sex is normal when you obviously don't even believe it yourself.

>>35002771
>"muh peacock dance" slop
geg

>>35002785
True enough. At least he's sussing out the whores. Sure we average men have slimmer pickings, but we can make a more informed decision.

>>35002689
Gen z doesn't

>>35002689
well you already said about your loophole and now by practicing you would be in that league

>>35002752
People who are confident and know how to flirt build a rapport

>>35003056
As a virgin till 23 I never do that and still get gfs. Not a lot but I do. I think that having sex is simply a natural extension of making friends. It's quite hard as a total outsider but if you belong in a community you are bound to become friends with a girl that'll be interested to do more.

>>35002689
>Do people really have casual sex?
Most people don't, actually, no. A minority do.

>>35002689
>I'm in my 30s and have never had sex
In that case, it's probably time to give up. Most men who make it to the age of 30 without losing their virginity never do. If you want to see what it's like, hire a hooker.

>>35003091
>Most men who make it to the age of 30 without losing their virginity never do.
Factually incorrect. Most men who make it to the age of 30 without losing their virginity lose it before they turn 40. The estimated amount of 30-year old virgin men is 4% while the estimated amount of 40-year old virgin men is 1%.

>>35002689
I don't even know what condoms to buy, also 30+ year old virgin

>>35002689
>>35002728

I have sex typically once a month or so when im single

when im dating someone its usually multiple times a week unless theres an issue of some kind, sex drive, attraction not as strong as other connections


granted im 6'4 and handsome so ymmv

>>35003186
How do you go from meeting people to just ending up in bed with them?

I can't imagine any woman being attracted to me. My face is objectively a 6 on a good day, though.

I'm also 5'6" and 120lbs and have a baby face. 26 years old but look 20 at most. Also have social anxiety.

It would take a miracle to sort out my situation.

>>35002689

It used to be that I had a different girl every 7 to 14 days. Turns out they also want to get laid.

Meanwhile, most of my male friends would go for very prolonged periods of time with no action at all. Why? Because I tried and also wasn't afraid to put myself out there.

Only drawback to getting so good at talking to women was that I'm not really good at talking to other men (when it doesn't involve politics or women).

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>>35003151
>Most men who make it to the age of 30 without losing their virginity lose it before they turn 40.
Citation needed.

>>35002689
I have had competitive sex, not trying to brag but, I'm a grandmaster.

>>35003151
>The estimated amount of 30-year old virgin men is 4% while the estimated amount of 40-year old virgin men is 1%.
Because three quarters of the 30-year-old virgins *die* before they reach the age of 40, not because they get laid.

>>35003210
well that depends, I go to a specific bar in my city that has women ages 22-30 these women are typically normal or in the goth/alt life style which I enjoy.

I can usually tell if a woman finds me attractive from talking to them and body language.

I dont try to just sleep with someone right away unless it seems incredibly obvious they want that

typically I get to know them like anyone, try to be friends, but not in a doormat kind of way I usually establish they are beautiful or funny, show im attracted, and just talk and see if we have things in common or friends in common

I try to know the bar staff and the bouncers and just try to be a regular that people know

then its just a matter of being friendly and seeing if a girl wants to go out,

everything after that is up to you. theres no easy answer or guide to getting laid

If a woman likes you and finds you sexually attractive she will want to sleep with you.

how you get there is a combination of confidence and being suave

My best advice to a man struggling with girls read the book "Mode One"

>>35003244
>look 20 at most.
You should hit on teen girls

>>35002689
>casual sex
I did once, unintentionally. I liked her but I just wasn't into it. I stopped in the middle. She got mad.

>>35003301
Queer

>>35003301
I can't even imagine that lmfao. How did it take until mid-fuck for you to figure that out.

>>35003258>>35003151

I think theres a big difference between fucking a prostitute or ugly bitch vs losing your V card to a woman you genuinely want

it is not that hard to find a decent girl to fuck if you are decent looking or even remotely successful,

if you have your own place and okay money and or look decent then you should have no problems getting fucked

the problem otherwise is you

>>35002689
People do, but it's nowhere near as common as boner comedies and pop music might have you believe it is.
I had it once and decided it wasn't for me. I doubt I'm in the minority.

>>35002780
He's not really ruining them. They were already whores and always will be whores, no different from your friend.

>>35003151
>Most men who make it to the age of 30 without losing their virginity lose it before they turn 40
Because they fuck hookers, not because they get girlfriends.

>>35003763
Source?

>>35002769
This doesn't necessarily help OP; im a great small talker but the steering towards filtration bridge is a huge gap in skillset

>>35003151
I lost my virginity at 21 but now I'm 26 and literally haven't had sex since that one and only time, I think I'm spiritually a virgin still and will remain so forever

>>35003977
26 also and never even flirted with a woman. I'm too shy and it seems like a rude thing to do.

>>35004024
>seems like a rude thing to do.
This is my curse lmao
I can never find a situation where it seems "appropriate", even at social events nowadays. No matter where you are or what you're doing, they always look so blatantly disgusted or even scared by random men explicitly hitting on them.
I live in Melbourne, Australia btw don't know how other cultures are like.

>>35002689
Hang around women enough and you will end up fucking some of them

>>35004348
>they always look so blatantly disgusted or even scared
Ik that look well. The sneering look of disgust like they stepped in shit.
I do think it's a shit test and you're supposed to brush it off and keep at it.

>>35002689
Same here OP, I'm 33 and have never once received the slightest indication of romantic/sexual interest IRL

Mind you I'm really ugly as well as being autistic, I've never even had female friends IRL because I'm too afraid of grossing them out if they think I'm trying to fuck them

>>35002689
What shocks me is that MOST men are able to get sex when the bar is so high these days

You can't be ugly, you can't be short, God knows you can't be awkward

>>35004726
Brown drug dealers in countries like Sweden, UK, and France are drowning in pussy. Nothing makes sense anymore

>>35004726
>the bar is so high these days
I think the reality is that if you have confidence and social skills, the bar is on the floor.
If you don't, then the bar is in the sky because women don't need your ugly beta male provider incomes... until they hit about 30-35

>>35002689
yes ive had this notion nagging me my entire life as well. i am soon to be a 24 year old kissless virgin and when thinking of my situation i realise that i have no notion or even a broad-strokes theory as to HOW people "just have sex". As in, how do a man and a woman go from being complete strangers to having sex.

I have "gaps" in my perception of these things, especially and almost purely around the parts where things escalate, those being:
- going from strangers to acquaintances (this i know and understand, you meet them through other friends, are at the same hobby so naturally are aware of eachother)

- building rapport (also easy, just bond over the shared hobby or just talk, comes naturally)

--- THE LINE ---
And beyond this all the steps are a mystery as to how or why they happen. I have been unable to produce any rule of thumb or algorithm in my head that would explain in a general way how these things happen. When asking people IRL, they say "it just happened", media skips these parts and skips to "the good parts" as well, so they are utterly unknowable:

- going from friendly to dating
- during dating, knowing when to escalate to physical touch, kiss, sex
- the logistics of having sex; where, when and how? like in the movies, how do they go from watching a movie in a nearly platonic fashion to having sex in the womans apartment? IRL this is more than a cutaway, it requires planning, explicit consent, driving, unlocking door, awkwardly shuffling out of clothes etc...

I am often the thrid (or 5th or 7th...) wheel to my friends who are in relationships and i cannot even fathom them having sex. Like how it happens idfk. And even kn 4chan when i tried to get answers the only responses are "uhh idk it just happens lol ur a virgin lol"

>>35002769
Yes, exactly as >>35003974 said. I'm a social butterfly when it comes to anything non-sexual and non-romantic. I can make friends with anyone aged 16-90, of any nationality and race, over the course of a train ride. I am pretty extroverted. But when it comes to escalating the banter and chatting to flirting i CANNOT DO IT. Like my brain locks up and i turn into an absolute basically mute sperg, like that indian guy from the big bang theory. If i sense that a conversation is getting dangerously close to flirting territory my brain goes into fight or flight mode, i get a cold sweat, the only thing on my mind becomes "get out of this interaction RIGHT NOW".

And no amount of socializing, going to parties, traveling, etc has helped me with this. Flirting and approaching women romantically is a completely separate skillset from general socializing, and one i completely lack.

For example, i know a guy who is a complete opposite to me. A fat unwashed balding slob whose diet consists of hotdogs and canned beans. Absolute social autist, mumbles into his chin, will only talk if the topic is anime or japanese video games. Yet he has had sex with dozens of women. It's like he hits every possible perfect sentence when talking to a woman to get her into bed. I once saw him talk for the first time in his life with some blond swedish exchange student. He had sex with her in his filthy room with anime posters a few hours later. It was insane to watch him talk to her, it was as if he put some spell on her. But if he has to buy something from a supermarket he cant look the cashier in the eyes.

>>35005023
Yeah but if you absolutely refuse to even continue having a conversation that's even remotely flirt, you cannot say it's a different skillset. You're just refusing to do it. Expecting you'd know what to do without ever engaging is not reasonable. Nobody ever knows what to do before they try. The main reason why more and more people nowadays are sexless and gfless is because they are given the option to consume porn and adopt the social role of "the nerd", instead of being forced to engage with the other sex.

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>>35004830
drug dealers always have, always will
that's part of the appeal and what makes the risk worth taking
>easy disposable income
>nightlife knowledge
>big network
>good social skills
>steady supply of party drugs
>fast paced day-to-day life
>no need to waste time & energy on a regular job
>your job IS networking and meeting new people (women)

many women are willing to see past the potential legal/prison issues (which they probably won't even face) provided they're having a good time with you
not to mention the
>occasional cocaine customer
to
>crackwhore
pipeline which creates all sorts of possible sex opportunities with very pretty women

>>35002728
Masturbation doesn't come anywhere near fucking a woman like an animal, making her cum on your cock, telling her the nastiest shit, hearing her tell you "this pussy is yours" and "you can use it whenever you want".

What is masturbation compared to having a woman lay by your side while you rub her clit and she shivers and has her mouth inside your ear moaning loudly for minutes, then she cums so hard that her entire body spasms and later she complains about muscular pain because she came so hard.

What is porn compared to that? Nothing. Porn is not real sex because the woman doesn't cum. If you don't have a steady diet of a woman cumming on your cock, you're missing out on life.

>>35003091
Anecdotal but I lost my virginity at 31 and my supply of sex has been growing steadily over the last few years.

>>35005650
May alkso be anectodal, but it took me to over 33 and once the seal was broken it has been smooth sailing.
I don't live in some cuckservative rural shithole where everyone is forced to marry by 23 though, so YMMV.

>>35003281
your advice is only useful for people who are 6'4" and attractive. in other words, nobody in this thread and almost nobody on this whole site.

>I can usually tell if a woman finds me attractive from talking to them and body language.
this is where it ends for the 95% as no woman would find them attractive.

>>35003411
>if you have your own place and okay money and or look decent then you should have no problems getting fucked
What should I do if I have my own place and okay money, but still can't figure out how to have sex? I'm also in my 30s.

>>35005794
doomer / blackpill take
you vastly underestimate the power of sweet talking and alcohol combined

>>35002689
If they seem asexual around you its because you're seen as unattractive. They become whores in the presence of the right guy, I've seen it myself. Used to work as a bartender for a while, the behavior I've seen was enough to blackpill me for life. Even the shy, mousy ones become whores that grope and grind. Those same girls act like royalty in the presence of their beta male friends and they even get offended and disgusted if anything related to sex comes out of the mouth of a man they don't find attractive. If a girl is ever acting appalled at the mention of women even so much as having a libido, its because the man that's even so much as going into that topic without being attractive, is deemed as a creep instantly. They will try to shame you into going back where you belong in their imagined hierarchy. They don't want ugly men seeing them as the whores that they know they are, especially in friend groups. If the ugly ones found out the girls were giving ass to their attractive male friends, that could potentially open them up to approaches from those same betabuxx friendzoned guys and they couldn't explain away the dynamic without social incrimination.

>>35003977
How does this happen? I mean, having sex once and never again? Did you just happen to have sex once, lets say, during a party but its like Cinderella and you are under a spell that makes you able to attract women just that night and never again? If you could do it once what stops you from doing this ever again?

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I am very autistic but attractive enough.
The only way I have ever gotten gfs is when the girl approached me, and asked me out directly. From such a point, you go do an activity, and eventually return home and have sex.
I imagine that for normies, the order is just the same but opposite:
>1. Guy sees girl they like at random event
>2. Find excuse to talk to her OR directly ask her out.
>3. Yes/no
The rng is in them liking you, and you being at a spot where there are a lot of girls that might be single. I am a student (i started late because of addiction/depression)

>>35002689
Anyone past the age of 25 who hasn't lost their virginity should start fucking hookers and going all in on looksmaxxing. Go to some coomer hotspot like Thailand for a while if that's what it takes, but just do it. I'm 1000% serious about this and I believe it at my absolute core. You have to smash the pattern. You have to fight back. It doesn't matter if this feels like the "wrong" decision, the point is that you're making a decision. If you continue to passive, I promise you will get trapped in an endless loop of negative thinking where you wake up at 35 as a virgin wondering how the fuck that happened. Even if they're bullshit fake wins that you paid for, you need to rack up wins. Winning and losing are both forms of hypnosis. Fuck a few dozen hookers and you will brute force your brain into believing that you are a guy who naturally has a lot of sex. Get better looking while you're doing it and the belief will grow even stronger. "Fake it till you make it" not only works, but it's law. Go deep dive into the background of any popular male-oriented influencer you'll find that all of them were once giant losers who woke up one day and decided to pretend to be hot shit. Eventually, you fully internalize the larp and then it becomes your external reality. I know this all sounds vile and crass but I'm telling you, nothing accelerates your life faster than dropping all those bullshit anchor moral tie ups and embracing shamelessness.

>>35002741
Any stats on the subject say otherwise. The rates are going down but lots of couples, even married with kids, are banging.

>>35008208
I completely disagree.

Fucking hookers gives you zero experience with actual sex. It's unlikely that you will make the hooker cum, and one of the best things about sex is making a woman you like and admire cum.

Not to mention the pleasure to yourself. When a woman gives herself completely to you that is the best sex you can possibly have.

>Go deep dive into the background of any popular male-oriented influencer you'll find that all of them were once giant losers who woke up one day and decided to pretend to be hot shit
Most of those guys never got true intimacy with a woman. Being a popular influencer means jack shit bro. Do you think Andrew Tate has ever felt loved by a woman? Nothing beats that feeling. He can fuck 1000 sex slaves but it doesn't beat having just one woman that truly likes and admires you.

I'm saying all this because I fucked like 5 women casually before, 2 were hookers (I could barely get hard), and I feel like I've only actually lost my virginity after I got serious with the woman I'm currently with, because sex with her is what sex is supposed to be like... all that shit before was completely meaningless, jerking off was better, but with this woman that I'm intimate with and who truly likes and admires me and deeply knows who I am, the sex is transcendental

So if you're a virgin past de age of 25, date and seek connection, start fucking and getting intimate and learn during the process, because if the woman likes you she will go through it with you and the sex will only get better and better.

>>35002689
Yes, people absolutely have casual sex. I have no idea what the other people on here are talking about. I only really started having sex regularly when I was about 20, and it would go something like this:

I get out of a relationship, I download tinder, get a good number of matches, and just go out on dates. The key was I never went on any of the dates with the goal of having sex with them, that was just a pleasant possible outcome. I was just nice, made good conversation and did interesting things with them. And often times the mid to late hlaf of the date just turned into making out and groping, which would lead back to my place and we would have sex. Now, I won't act like my experience is fully normal, I'm tall and handsome, but it's not super uncommon.

I was also pretty much always in a relationship, I'd have high intensity periods of casual sex, meet someone, date them for around 6 months to a year or two, it wouldn't work out, and the process would start anew. But I met my wife, and I've been with her ever since, so I'm happy.

If I had to guess at the number of women I slept with, it's probably in the low to mid 20s

>>35009222
>I won't act like my experience is fully normal
It actually is, once a woman goes out on a date with you shes already dtf and merely checking for red flags. The only thing may be online dating, which is dead as a door nail nowadays and does require you to look good.
>meet someone, date them for around 6 months to a year or two, it wouldn't work out,
Thats a fling/fwb though, calling that a relationship is really overblown.

i would say something like a MINIMUM of 10-20% of millennials and older go through a casual sex phase. its literally not uncommon for roasties to hit triple digits.