i saw a clip of jake munro on youtube saying that men are actually the romantic ones and stuff im wondering what yall think . i never had a boyfriend but it seems to me that guys are romantic as long as youre not with them and when theyre in relationship with you they just hate you or whatever . whats your take on ts
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>>35014854that's why you only date but never accept a relationship. men expect sex throughout the entire relationship, and women give it, but when women expect attention and romantic gestures, they are told it's a honeymoon phase thing. men get what they want, but stop giving women what they want the second it's an official relationship.so yea unless you wanna be a cuck you either do that, or find the rare 1/10000 male who will continue romantic gestures/attention/flirting/etc. with you long into a relationship, meaning both partners get what they want and remain happy. gl with that.
>>35014865i dont have much interest in dating cause it seems like too much drama to me but thanks for your input i hope someone here finds it useful
>>35014870i like you, i wish you all the luck in life.
>>35014876thanks . i saw that short on youtube yesterday and really thought about it . because from my perspective i dont go on dates or relationships and stuff but see that guys sometimes act kinds insane when they want to date you . and then i see my friends who been inn longer relationships like 3 years and their boyfriends tell them theyre ugly or some shi. so my conclusion is that men are romantic only when theyre not dating you
>>35014854The right one is in the right way. If you feel lacking and incomplete in your relationship , then you are lacking and incomplete
>>35014890what does it mean ?
>>35014886>guys sometimes act kinds insane when they want to date you . and then i see my friends who been inn longer relationships like 3 years and their boyfriends tell them theyre ugly or some shiit's the truth and you've seen it irl, but better be depressed about the truth than naive and have it happen to you. ofc as i said there are few men who are not like that, but i think one of the main things even with them is making sure they absolutely know you'll leave the millisecond they start taking you for granted and being high maintenance + social so you're constantly chased by other guys. and that is exhausting. i think everyone has a soulmate tho but it's up to luck whether you find each other.
>>35014899i guess thats how it is but i only realised it today. i saw on internet that guys have to do all the lifting and girls do nothing in relationships but i see its the opposite in actual relationships . it just doesnt make sense to me
>>35014904to me that's the guy version of like one of those girls who expect everyone to do everything for them. and tonnss of men are like this even if they desperately try to make it seem the opposite way .
>>35014904like guys will give you coat light your cigarette do a backflip and try to kill themselves cause they want to go on date but then in relationship they call you ugly ? its bizzare behavior
>>35014909i dont know maybe. but i feel like guys do a lot excessive stuff when they want to get into relationship but when they get it they dont want it then or at least thats how it looks to me
>>35014854The current situation is such that men are conditioned to treat sex as THE goal.If you are a romantic boy at 13, you will be laughed at and ridiculed by your peers, and girls will break your heart (because everyone is retarded at that age), so you will stop trusting romantic feelings and let your dick and balls and porn conditioning/sex advertising take over. I think boys are also more vulnerable romantically? Like a broken heart prompts a total change of values?>>35014899This thing is the final nail in the coffin of romanticism. Basically both sides are taught to manipulate each other, and neither side gets what it wants. The only way out of this is building a relationship based on mutual trust and honesty.Btw thanks for reminding it gonna do small romantic gestures for my wife, it's easy to forget those small gestures. Gimme ideas.
>>35014917as romantic idea for your wife i suggest cooking her a nice soup . like one of these slightly spicy warming soups. its getting cold these days
>>35014920Will do thanks
>>35014925i will be making pasta with shrimps and sweet beans for me and mom . might add some seasame oil as experiment
>>35014893If you feel lacking, incomplete, empty, yearning, discouraged, despair, regret, guilt, shame, obligation, transactional relationship, All of these mean you are with the wrong guy. Course correct, cut him out and block completely. Get back on the path with your soulmate. Dont Stay in the relationship that will make more regret and harm to your future. Save yourself for your soulmate.
>>35014928i guess i am saving myself for my soulmate but i dont think i will find him . dating is too much of a mess and i cant force myself to be bothered with that . plus i always have to deal with drama from my friends relationships and listen about it and im like nigga you will never see me in that situation
>>35014854>jake munroignore anything that angry little woman beating bandwagon jumping midget poser has to say
>>35014917This, I'm into romantic gestures and the like but have already accepted that men find it pussy shit and women get the ick from it.
They can be for sure. It is hard, if not impossible, to say for two halves of mankind whether more romantic men or more romantic women exist. You can also debate endlessly about what being "really romantic" means - is wanting to go on dates to nice restaurants while wearing nice clothes romantic or hollow and performative so the opposite of romantic? That said, you only have to read some of the more famous romantic poems by men (e e cummings and Leonard Cohen for example, or Matthew Dickman if you want to stick to contemporary stuff) to know they are capable of intensely romantic thoughts and feelings. I think it is universally easier to be very romantic about someone unavailable to you, someone dead, lost or not interested, than someone who is by your side day in day out. That is less about male or female nature and more about romantic ideals vs the mundane reality of everyday life.
>>35014854If you watch that piece of shit fag, you are beyond saving.
>>35015072personally i think romantic gestures like flowers and stuff like that are very nice and women like it a lot . but i feel like the romanticism with men often comes down to erratic behavior. like trying to kill themselves over a rejection and other weird situations like that
>>35015203i saw asmongold reacting to that clip i dont really watch neither regularly but it made me wonder
>>35014854A man can love a woman completely, but a woman will take other things like muh babies, snizzat, status, reputation with her social group in consideration.
>>35015289then why are guys so mean to their girlfriends
>>35015297That's a just a bad person.
>>35015300i dont know i listen to my friends relationship drama and it seems theyre all mean as soon as they are in relationship
>>35015307Some people are just assholes idk. My friends who are in relationships aren't mean to each other, at least to my knowledge. Except for my sister and brother in law. He was verbally a piece of shit when stressed out and I called him out for that because he can act like such a fucking baby sometimes in public. I'm not sure if their relationship is going to last desu but in front of family he's better about it. They have kids too so idk what's going on.I think sometimes there's a bit of cattiness that can bleed into becoming actually mean when you get really familiar with someone, but if you have that meanstreak in you, you should keep control of it because it's fucked up to actually shit on someone you love for like no reason lol.
>>35014854>are men actually romanticHighly conscientious, religious, agreeable men are very very very romantic, but at the same time expect virginity, loyalty until her last breath and a bunch of other similar traits as him. These are also the kind of men who'd rather stay single for life after losing their highly loyal wife. >>35014865Vast majority of men are realpilled on women desu and demand her vagina that she gave it for chad or brad or whoever the fuck she was fucking before. They act under the assumption that all women are ran through prostitutes.
>>35015340dating these days must be so fucked up man
>>35014854you browse 4chanthat makes you a defective womandefective people generally have defective peersdefective women suck at picking menthe problem isnt men as a whole, it's just your social circle
>>35015351Can't expect princess treatment when you act like a prostitute
>>35015351Why wouldn't it be fucked up if pic rel was the norm for more than half a century, and atleast 30-50% of the population was behaving like that for more than 400 years, if not more? There's a lot of genetic and cultural backing for this sort of behaviour for it to magically go away.But then again, the psychological traits that bring about mass harlotry in a free setting without any guardrails are also the traits that help societies push the boundary of that which is known, of that which discovers gravity & quantum mechanics, of that which eradicates diseases, etc..
>>35015377sounds like you're a low value male only capable of getting muh whores. most high value man have or have once had a virgin/low body count woman.surplus males should not have high standards, they're basically female-brained "men".
>>35015387>if not moreif not longer than that*
>>35014865It takes two to tango. Men are also giving women sex. Why do women not ever feel the need to take her boyfriend out or do a nice surprise for him? A man isn't going to spend his entire life on a one way street doing things for a woman and getting nothing in return but sex.
>>35015297>then why are guys so mean to their girlfriendsThey aren't, women just like talking bad about their loving boyfriend behind his back for attention and to set up a justification for cheating
>>35015404I think most women in good relationships tend to do cute gestures and romantic things way more often than the man. So it's the woman giving both but not getting anything in return. Not worth it for women.
>>35015388Bot post
>>35015388rich women also have a high bodycount and have a lot more resources to maintain a clean image.
>>35015377i neither act like prostiture nor expect princess treatment . i figured dating is too much bother and im not interested much in relationships with men
>>35015414No, most women have princess syndrome and will take a man's credit card and max it out buying clothes and then demand he take her out on a date with that maxed out credit card. Then during sex she lies in the bed and makes him do all the work.
>>35015412in my experience its usually >friends boyfriend is mean / does some weird stuff>friend breaks up>friend doesnt want to date guys anymore
>>35015526idk about that im 20 and most my friends are around that age and neither them nor their boyfriends have much money anyway
>>35015526Why wouldn't you want to treat your gf like a princess though? Isn't that the whole point? To be a provider and spoil her within your means?
>>35015297Because it's funny to be mean
>>35014865Foids fresh from their shift at the brothel truly expect to receive the maiden treatment.
>>35015421>>35015428>>35015526Tranny spammer at it again
>>35014913>>35014910Makes perfect sense. From a guys perspective getting a girl is basically Herculean task. Fight off competition, try to be funny, make fool of yourself to gain her attention and risk being even a greater fool when she gives you the ick and it will make it look like it's your fault and you did something horribly wrong. Entertain her, spend time and nerves trying to figure out whether she likes you or not. Meanwhile girl just does nothing and gets funnelled with all the effort and attention.If man is successful and forms a relationship he is kinda done. He is spent. He got it. Ofc there's nothing More to reach when the goal is reached. When for man getting the relationship/sex is already a final goal with a ton of effort behind it while for a girl all it takes is saying yes. So girl expects more of that kind but the man is already spent.
Romance is easy until the thing is actually in your hand. You see its flaws and frailty, you see what responsibilities come with it. You might even see an evil side of it that's invisible to everyone else, because they've never been close to it.My wife didn't have a period for the first 4 years we were together. Her ex husband use to beat her, accuse her of cheating, and get into these knockdown drag out fights over their conception difficulties, and it was so retarded because I don't think I've ever gone to the grocery store with her and not had her wistfully leaf through the baby items. He was just a stupid fucking man. We got married in the 4th, and she spilled hot oil on her leg while cooking. She was in the hospital for like a month. I was driving 2 hours out of town both ways to visit her in the only burn ward in the area, 3 or even 4 times a week, and the craziest fucking thing happened. She started having periods again. 2 years later? She's pregnant.It sounds romantic and she's always gushing that this is the marriage that actually counts, but the synopsis is what's romantic, not spending countless hours in hospitals or driving to and from when you're about to fall asleep behind the wheel. I thought she was dying, then she turned around and did a magic trick we didn't think she was capable of. The romance is just the warm glow a person sees because they haven't experienced how terrifying this is, how much room there is for getting hurt. I am so scared for our kid right now. I'm praying she'll carry to term, without issue.
>>35014854No we're not romantic, we buy you shiny stones, flowers, start wars for women, and jestermax for the fun of it.
>>35014854Women aren't attracted to the kind of men who continue to make romantic gestures after the start. When you think about it, it's kind of displaying weakness, it's like saying you're not good enough to be with that person. So not surprising it puts women off in the long run.
>>35016267I'm literally a straight man. LMAO
>>35016885You are only saying that to convince her it's normal to be with someone who doesn't actually like her as a person and doesn't actually have feelings for her.
>>35015404This, I stopped giving a fuck about courting my ex because all she would do is run her mouth and think touching my dick is a mental reset button while not doing shit else.
>>35016898Don't reply to troon hunters. They're all mentally disabled and probably magafags.
>>35014854>i never had a boyfriend but it seems to me that guys are romantic as long as youre not with them and when theyre in relationship with you they just hate you or whateverthis has to be bait....the trope is that girls start abusing the guys once together/married.
>>35016513>I am so scared for our kid right now. I'm praying she'll carry to term, without issue.i hope you and your wife get your baby safely into the world !
>>35017491>the trope is that girls start abusing the guys once together/married.well not in my experience. but also men in my family are quite tough
>>35014854>are men actually romanticYes they can be, same as women. Romance and romanticism in my opinion has less to do with the sex of a person and more to do with their background. Specifically their culture. Some countries are more romantic than others. The least romantic woman I ever dated was an American woman and the male friends I have who are from the states would balk and laugh off romantic gestures or ideas to give to their women. And what's more is there's a neuroticism among the Americans that romance = love bombing and is now considered to be an act of manipulative cunning.
>>35014854Personally, I think that both partners can. All this black and white thinking is so myopic. I'm a man and I've had romantic gestures done for me as well as I have done romantic gestures for my partners. However, on an individual basis, the person you are with may not appreciate the things you do in the same way at all times. For some, big romantic gestures can be seen as a threat, even if they weren't before, and to others they can be endearing. Further, we're in an era of rampant dysfunction, maladaptive coping strategies for our various traumas and environmental conditions, so measuring this population is hardly going to give truly accurate results. Frankly, I'm pretty well tired of people being at each other's throats about who's fault whatever is as it's only serving to be needlessly divisive. This isn't me passing the buck. I recognize the impact of foolish and malicious people, and I hold people accountable for their actions, myself included.
>>35018136What's happened is people have become humourless, spineless, loveless pieces of shit. We can thank the SSRIs for that, people lost their damn souls.
>>35017999>has less to do with the sex of a person and more to do with their background. 'thats really interesting i actually havent thought about it that way
>>35016885when it comes to romantic gestures like flowers or gifts and such i feel the opposite. i am wary if a guy who im not in relationship with wants to gift me stuff because it signals some kind of comitment and expecting something in return, and in a settled relationship you know what you expect from each other so its different
>>35017936Thank you!
>>35016003Some of us don't have findom fetishes.
>>35014854Hi I'm a guy and I despise romanticism. I hate symbolic bullshit. It means nothing to me. My idea of a good relationship isn't one where we do gay ass "rituals" like animals. It's one in which we actually happen to simply like each other's company and find each other attractive, so we talk a lot, do things we find enjoyable together, and occasionally make out and fuck. And no, sex isn't a thing that a woman "gives" me, and I will not treat it as such. I despise this idiotic attitude that a guy has to "earn" sex out of a woman's kindhearted generosity. If she doesn't want to fuck for fun, why the hell is she getting into a sexual relationship? Does she unironically enjoy the idea of prostituting herself for flowers, chocolates and romantic dinners?
>>35014854>guys are romantic as long as you're not with them and when they're in relationship with you they just hate you or whatever.Guys are generally not very emotionally communicative. If someone has had little to no dating experience they will 100% be over performative or lie to try and attract someone without knowing they are sowing the seeds for failure. If you actually marry someone, it's because you already know them, both the good and the bad. If your not comfortable with the worst versions of each other, then your relationship is going to fail. Generally I view marriage as a promise to live life together for the rest of your natural life. That's a really big promise that needs at least 1-3 years of time to ensure its right.>>35014886>i saw that short on youtube yesterday A majority of what you see online is rage bait designed to catch your attention. A majority of it is overblown.>>35014899>you'll leave the millisecond they start taking you for granted and being high maintenanceThis is the opposite approach than what you want. Just clearly communicate what you want.>I really liked when we want on that hike last week. I want to spend more time with you, can we go on another one?VS>Your not spending enough time with me :( I'll find someone else who loves me.>>35014917>The current situation is such that men are conditioned to treat sex as THE goal.I treat sex as the biological procreation of children. If we have sex, it's entirely because both parties want to create a family. That's it. I'd argue men also feel similarly.>i.e dont put your dick in crazy>The only way out of this is building a relationship based on mutual trust and honesty.Absolutely. >>35014920>i suggest cooking her a nice soup What if they secretly hate soup, or think yours is salty? The best way to do something nice for your partner is to ask them what they enjoy and then doing it with them. My father would feel tortured if my mother made a meal without him.
>>35014854I personally don't like romance because I'm a very low maintenance person and I don't like the idea that I have to pay a tax/upkeep to prove my love by gifting chocolate, flowers, jewelry, spa visits and whatnot on a regular basis. Other people seem to say that their idea of a romantic gesture is their partner doing chores, which to me is nonsensical because any functional adult should be able to do the dishes. My girlfriend was working this Saturday and while she was at work I took out the garbage (which is my chore) and emptied then refilled the dishwasher (mutual chore) because I thought it would be nice for someone that's working to come home with chores being done, but I wouldn't consider that a romantic gesture. It's just something you're supposed to do, I would've had to do it eventually regardless if we were together or not.
>>35014854I can't help but be a gay romantic faggot and make large gestures at absolutely nothing. Especially if it's fun. I only love the pursuit and excitement it brings me when I'm "gesturing romantically" or whatever the fuck that means. Relationships are more often than not just maintenance, and that is boring. I don't mind either anyway, but that's that. So theres that.
>>35014854Romantic is a really vague word having nothing to do with Rome anymore. If you see romance as just giving you things and trying to impress you, yes, men may do that less once in a relationship with you. But women never start doing it at all, so you can't really complain.
>>35014854Men are checking out of romanticism at an alarming rate.
>>35021817Why do they always have to do the gay shit where they call mundane things sacred and do an AI-esque "not actual thing, but my hallucinated thing"?Nazis are so gay. This and the "yes we need to kill more babies" shit. Just another gaysoc social movement, they really fumbled a golden opportunity to be taken seriously by men at large.
Maybe I do need to give up on relationships. So many people are just evil.
>>35021817this is true but it's actually due to increasingly widespread virulent misogyny
