interestingly enough, it doesn't depend on the app. it depends on the man using it.
a vast majority of the time it will be a scam.

For men? No

>>35071099
All induce pay to win mechanisms.

>>35071096
No. Let me lay this out for you very logically and in case any other anon is reading this and doesn’t get it yet
>women quite naturally get matches enough to have something to sort through for fun. 99.9999% of them have literally no motive to spend money unless the app were to directly cripple their ability to do the above, which would obviously piss them off and make them leave. They are free to enjoy the app
>Men, however, naturally do not get matches like that unless it’s some insane case of an outlier. Men have every reason to pay and no reason to leave because, regardless of if it is true or not, it is psychologically prominent that paying will somehow help you get better results. There is also almost know amount of shitting on men and asking for money that will completely drive them away.
>So why is it so important that women are always happy and stick around to have fun? Nothing is supposed to be free, right?
>Well, it’s not free in the greater economic sense
>women are the product and men are the customer
>and guess what? by keeping women constantly happy and having feee use, they get their product for free and then sell it to men at the measly cost of shitty computer coding.
That’s all it is. It is a business.
>Now, does the app have any interest in helping people find actual, compatible matches?
>No! It is a business.
>Those personality profiles and analysis you do aren’t to actually help you meet a match
>They’re designed so that the app can make sure you don’t
>because every long term couple who won’t come back to the app is the loss of both a product and a customer to them
Shrimple as. If young people stop using them then maybe they’ll change business model but for now, don’t be stupid.

>>35071170
I think Tinder and b other dating apps do actually want to match people. It's women that are the problem.

Bumble is a great example that. They tried to address the female complaints, but it ended up the same. They had to remove the "women message first" feature because saying "hii" to Chad is too difficult.

Dating app hate is just yet another case of the "Women Are Wonderful" effect. You guys can never admit poor wombyn are the problem. Heaven forbid we actually address it.

>>35071170
This is how all of them operate.
But its conceivable you make an app that has the following:
•Strict 50/50 male - female ratio for each app instance
•No allowance for people with self inflicted harm, such as obesity
•Actual big 5 psychology matching
•Life experience matching, virgins go with virgins, single moms with single dads etc

So far no one has made one

>>35071229
You'd have to either pay women or charge the men if you want an equal ratio. The problem is that if you charge men only desperate incels will be on the app so women would have even less of a reason to use it.

You can't solve this problem without restricting women's choices and shaming their life decisions.

Apps could easily work if there was no child support, becoming a single mother was an irreversible social suicide and casual sex was taboo.

>>35071243 (Me)
Oh and let's not forget about removing DEI, maternity leave and all the laws that unfairly favor women.

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>>35071096
no }._.}

>>35071243
>becoming a single mother was an irreversible social suicide
This is the case already. No successful or potentially successful man wants used, damaged goods.

>>35071256

I'm a trans man. I wouldn't mind dating a single mother. I like the idea of being a father but obviously I can't get anyone pregnant. I have a lot of dysphoria around the fact my genitals don't squirt everywhere like a penis does.

>>35071327
Having a penis is one of the best parts of being a man and I am SO glad God cursed you to be a woman so you'll never be able to experience what it's like.

I hope you are born as a woman in your next life as well.

>>35071327
>Im a trans man
>I wouldnt mind dating a single mom
You are a mentally ill fuckmong and should never be around children you mean

>>35071327
I'm sure the real father would be thrilled to know his child has to be around you half the time

>>35071334

Oh, my pussy is nice for what it is. I just wish I could ejaculate. Sometimes I don't get along with trans women because they're jealous of it. I like how my clit is growing, at least. I was insecure about how small it was before I started testosterone. If I do get born as a woman again, I hope I don't feel trans in that life. It would be easier to convert to Catholicism if I wasn't a gender confused freak. I like the idea of being a mother in my next life. In this one, I hated the idea of giving birth. Who I am in my next life will be different, though.

>>35071170
If some men stop using the apps then the remainder will finally get and drown in pussy, shrimply due to supply and demand. Then men will join the "good app" and restore the shitty equilibrium.

>>35071256
no it's not, not like it used to be (back in the day a divorced / single mom was untouchable tier)
single moms have no trouble landing a beta provider whenever they care to lower their standards

however they keep getting pumped and dumped by more attractive men
simply because they can't wrap their head around being worth fucking but not worth committing to
(same with 35+ women)
most heard question
>how come I only meet men who are emotionally unavailable?
I gave up explaining to them because they don't want to hear the answer anyway. I just pretend not to know.

>>35071364
That's disgusting. This is why incels need to go for younger women

>>35071219
>I think Tinder and b other dating apps do actually want to match people
I’m plenty willing to blame women when it directly applies but you’re confusing “wants to find you a match” with “has any business interest in finding you a match”
They are a business and not a group of old ladies in your family who want to help you. Not only do they have no business interest in finding you a match, they have negative business interest in finding you a match.
They are a business who operate as business and want literally nothing for you because they are a business and answer to shareholders and not customers (as mandated by LAW. dodge v. ford) because they are a business.

>>35071219
>Everyone knows corps are fucking us
>There is logically no reason for them to NOT fuck us here as it hurts them
>Still manage to blame women
I wonder why you aren't getting matches anon

>>35071632
Quiet, skank.

>>35071099
>it depends on the man using it.
Pure cope. No pay, no play. Doesn't matter whether you're 10/10 gigachad or some uggo.

>>35071170
>by keeping women constantly happy
Talk to some women IRL, none of them are on dating apps anymore. Because getting bombarded by anonstop flood of creeps and losers ( the only men left in those dumps) is just not an attractive prospect to a woman who isn't a fat single mom. The only men left who look normal on the outside are pterminal pump and dumpers who need the apps because they run though too many women to keep up with if they picked them up IRL.

>>35071219
They literally don't, fuckass retard.Public company policy is to maintain "users engagement" aka keep people swiping. Which is somethign that people stop doing when they find a suitable partner and accordingly stop looking for another match. So the app is very carefully designed to only give you unsuitable matches so you keep feeding the slot machine. They don't even deny it.
>They tried to address the female complaints
Because the apps are hemorraging female users, as getting used as bait to sucker in fresh rubes isn't something they get anything from.

Imagine blaming women instead of shady corpo rats who openly view humans only as exploitable profit cattle. Peak retard.

>>35071096
no, especially the ones owned by match

>>35071682
Apps not owned by match do not exist any longer.

>>35071096
The scam part is that they tell you you have a fair chance.
They all work the same, and benefit the 1% most attractive men purely because women's options on them are basically every single male profile.
Theoretically you can still get matches, but in practice you're better off spending that time making money or something.

>>35071684
Bumble isn't owned by match, and a few other niche ones.
But it's all the same shit. They've reduced free-user exposure so much none are really worth using.
If I were to crown the worst dating app of all time, it would be Plenty of Fish.

>>35071096
VRChat if you treat it like a dating app well sort of just talk to women on there, I met my gf on there and we eventually moved in together.

>>35072820
we need to know more.

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>>35074018
VRC was never designed primarily for dating but it has lot of advantages to it. Lot of the time there are people on there that don't show what they look like at, so you get to know them first and sometimes you can have genuine conversations. That dynamic can make a woman fall for your personality first and when it is time to show photos on discord or something she can more than likely look past some things that a woman that just saw you on tinder in 3 seconds couldn't.

Getting attention from women is different since VR isn't IRL I'd say in this order personality > voice > avatar choice > everything else instead of looks > height > personality > money. If you are genuinely a funny bastard, you'll thrive here. I've never done well with dating apps but I've had luck with women on VRC, the whole gender ratio is also better than dating apps instead of being like 5-10% women feels like there are 30-40% women on there and lot of the men are gay so the competition isn't as fierce as you'd think but it is still there.

The disadvantages however are that you often build up days or weeks with a girl possibly not doing a photo reveal and eventually do it to find out you aren't that attracted to her, but you might look past flaws yourself if you bond over lot of interests and ideology. On top of that just like real life there is a bit of a social tier system based off of superficial things like if you are a desktopper only that will work against you with many, if you got VR and FBT you are looked upon more favourably there. To get the full experience you need a powerful gaming PC to go to PC only worlds where lot of shit like raves happen, and on top of that a headset with maybe FBT some people can't afford all of this. Final disadvantage is LDR, it is a gamble might meet someone 4 hours away by car or across the ocean that likes you, ability to see them depends on your wealth/time.

>>35071664
>>35071624
Sums it up, more or less.
There was a time when an average (or slightly above) guy could get something out of dating apps, but once they introduced subscriptions, that dried up pretty quickly because they had a way to make money out of guys not getting anything. Before, you were just another dude and the algorithm was closer to random and women on the other end decided for themselves whether they liked you. Now, they try to predict what the most valuable users (women) might want and filter based on that... supposedly. Even this version wouldn't be great for the average guy because you need to pass through a second, artificial filter before you get to the real filter of the woman's preferences, which is skewed anyway due to so many dudes being on the app relative to women, but then you have extra incentive of the company needing to make money. It's too easy for them to lay their finger on the scales.
People, men and women, seem to be catching on, though. Most everyone realizes that the experience mostly just sucks and is looking for a better alternative. Dating is still terribly difficult nowadays, but I have hope it's returning to some level of normalcy in the second half of this decade.

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>>35071096
By far the highest quality of woman for me has been on bumble and it's not even close. But the problem is that on bumble I'd get one date per six months.

That was years ago, though, so your mileage may vary.

>>35071096
I recently tried OKC again, first time using the apps in many years. It's the occasional black girl and a billion women in the phillipines who keep swiping right on me.
Nothing like it was in the early 2010s when you'd actually talk to and meet up with women.

>>35071096
You've got a 1/100 chance to match someone, a 1/50chance to get them to agree to a date, a 1/20 chance to get sex/a relationship after the date, and a 1/10 chance that relationship lasts longer than a month.

The Apps will be sure to serve you plenty of ads to accidentally click on while your trying though.

>>35071096
>>>/soc/duolicious