Recently been getting a load of insta reels on autism and the more I look at them, the more I relate. From my research it seems like neurotypicals have an irrational hate of neurodivergents and will persecute them at every opportunity available to them.What the fuck am I supposed to do with this information? I've changed my personality multiple times to try and fit in (now I know its masking) and in every instance I've always just been automatically hated by people. Like fucking hell now I understand why all the ND billionaires just try and cause as much human misery as possible because what else do you want me to do?? Can't even breath without NT's wanting to murder you...>just be yourself BROOOOOI have no real personality or life goals. Seems like my only purpose in life is to be opposed to NT's
Throwing NT and ND around like it's normal is pretty lame. That's coming from a burned out autism'er.>Seems like my only purpose in life is to be opposed to NT'sI dunno how but I think it's better to stop giving a fuck about normies, rather than obsessing over them. Basically you/we have to become sigma. Somehow.
>>35071393>Throwing NT and ND around like it's normal is pretty lame. That's coming from a burned out autism'er.what does this mean?>stop giving a fuck about normiesI never get this idea. I live in society, I necessarily interact with people. My only real desire is to lay in bed all day but I should probably do more with my life. Therefore I have to interact with these people to do ANYTHING - it's going to be kind of hard to not turn my life into a morality battle if I have to put up with BS 24/7
>>35071376>Seems like my only purpose in life is to be opposed to NT's>wtf bro why are all you NT's opposed to meAnd people hate autists because they are often (albeit not always) completely insufferable to deal with. There's nothing "irrational" about it. Even autists often hate other autists from what I've seen on 4chan, so what does that tell you?
>>35071407>I live in society>I interact with people>I should probably do moreYou don't have to live in society, You don't have to interact with people. Why do you think you should "do more"? You're not a normie but let normies dictate what your life should look like. Stepping out of that mindset is the best thing to do. Declaring war on them is the exact opposite of what you should be doing.I'm not saying it's easy to stop giving a shit about what normies want. I don't know how to do that. But some autismos don't seem to care at all and I want to be like them.
>>35071411This! THIS! SO MUCH THIS.bee-yourself.gif
>>35071376>people are mean on social mediaOk????
>>35071409If I just found out I'm ND how could my life always have been in opposition to NT'S lol. I've never held hate for anyone, but after discovering everyone holds hate for me (and shows it lol), how else am I supposed to respond?>autists hate other autistsValid. Although I'm nuanced on the whole thing. After looking I definitely think I have more of a form of Asperger's as I've achieved a lot of things in my life already and never felt 'disabled'. But reflecting on my childhood/teen years I definitely remember that I was very kind to a lot of clearly highly ND people where others would mercilessly bully them... Doesn't necessarily mean I wanted to be friends with them as I could 'tell' their weird, but it never meant I thought they deserved the treatment they got from others
>>35071412what does b.e.e. stand for??
>>35071411>just invent your own values broooooI think I should do more because true autonomy just leads to suicide. Especially for people like me, I don't feel emotions very strongly and so don't want to achieve anything but sleep. "Setting someone free" who has no drive towards anything and feels emotionless a majority of the time just makes me think I should sleep all day which is just suicide lol.>Don't be obsessed with normiesLook, I genuinely admire the message. I think it sounds very noble and inspirational but in practice it doesn't make any sense at all. The reason why you and many other people struggle to "just do your own thing" is because you have no basis to do anything, really. Any belief you have is built on another set of beliefs that you can fundamentally feel - I feel the pain that normies inflict on me so my only logical conclusion is to inflict pain on them
>>35071412What if I don't feel like anything?
>>35071414There mean in real life. I'm not seeing anything mean online
>>35071437Inflicting pain on them will not reduce the amount of pain they inflict on you. It may even make it worse. That is self destructive behavior and illogical. You gain nothing from it.
>>35071476I don't gain anything from anything. I want to become invisible but due to ND hate that's just not possible. I know hurting NT's won't do anything for me, but its the only thing I can "do"
>>35071476>>35071489I suppose I could Jesusmaxx but it honestly seems pointless. His willingness to help no matter what is only found inspirational because he turned out to be the son of god, if he was to just die on the cross and never resurrect the story would be seen pretty pathetic by most people
>>35071489>its the only thing I can "do"That's an incredibly retarded thought. That's coming from a fellow retard.
>>35071507>>35071411>stop giving a shit about what normies want. I don't know how to do thatGenuine question meant with no ill intentions. When do you think you'll stop caring about normies and live this so called "authentic" life?
>>35071376Sounds like you make autism your whole identity. That's stupid and retarded. Don't do that. Most people don't know how to handle that and it is just an excuse for you to act retarded when you know you could just practice self control.>t. fellow autist
>>35071489You might discover you're better at it than you expect. I am currently working on enjoying hurting people and it gets more and more fun as you shed your false, self-castrating previous morality.
>>35071512I don't know
>>35071523How do you hurt people?
>>35071523And by the way we are not talking about being curt with an annoying acquaintance or hanging up the phone on a telemarketer.I mean real shit.Once I realized that my entire interaction with other humans was never good for me or them, that my entire life is just me attacking people and them attacking me, it flipped some kind of psychological switch.If it's all shit, always, from lifelong experience, then why not just do anything you want to them? Why not just attack people? I don't like them, and my own morality is nonexistent anyway.
>>35071528Various ways dude. I stole from them, insulted their feeling deeply, threatened their lives, beat them bloody with hammers, betrayed them, knocked them out, robbed them. And they did the same to me.And this before the current, conscious direction I took, so we are talking about escalation.
>>35071519I'm an adult and only considered if I'm maybe autistic 2 weeks ago. My entire life I've been operating under the assumption that I am just like everyone else.Minimising the hatred NT's have for us seems like a common thing and I'm wondering if it's just a coping mechanism. I've seen so many videos where it's like>everyone has always bullied me>I have never been accepted for who I am>I'm always treated like a social pariah no matter what I do>but what can I say? I'm just #neurospicy (˶˃𐃷˂˶)If you wanted to take action against NT's, do you think your efforts would end in failure? That's the only thing I can conclude. Or maybe it's just a cringe millennial thing I don't understand. Or maybe people are more autistic then me and are categorically opposed to doing anything "bad" no matter the circumstances. Can't tell
>>35071537>I figured out I'm autistic 2 weeks ago and I think we should all declare war on the normies!!! who is with me?!Are you twelve? Fuck.
>>35071537It's gaslighting. They have no problem literally disenfranchising you until you starve to death, that's ehat their instincts are actually geared towards. They're not giving you a slap, they're giving you a killshot.But they want to appear like good prosocial people while doing it.
>>35071525Thank you for your honesty. I fundamentally oppose any kind of existentialism as I found that those who preach it are still secretly waiting to be 'given' instructions on what to do. This is especially true for someone who doesn't feel emotions very strongly. I've never wanted anything, and so being free means nothing to me
>>35071537I'm autistic and I don't give a fuck about if normies hate me or not. Actually, I know the vast majority don't and don't know of my existence. Those that do are either my friends and I get along with, or don't think about me much at all.You sound like a teenager. Hope you get over this phase because it's really stupid.
>>35071376It's all bullshit. Autism, ADHD, Bipolar whatever "Neuro divergent" label is all fake shit. Modern psychology is a fraudulent puppet of big pharma. They have invented a zeitgeist of "The functional man", the imaginary archetype of the "normies" who is happy all the time, sociable all the time, functional all the time, works hard all the time, parties all the time, is selfless all the time but also confident and assertive all the time, has the 9-5 job, the wife, the kids, the white picket fence property like something out of a movie. That man does not exist and has never existed.But psychology tells you that he does, you can be that man. If you show any weaknesses or flaws or mental hang ups, that's a label, that's a diagnosis that's a 'disorder'. (The implication that there is a magical orderly man you should become and because you deviate you are disordered from the order). So you get the dumbass diagnosis and your next stop is>Pay big pharma for the SSRIs or the Amphetamines >Pay your weasel therapist $100 per hour to tell you empty platitudes And they will do this to you for years until you're 30-40 maybe 50 years old until finally you snap out of it. You take the stick out of your ass and you learn how to function, but it was not because of the fake disorder, it was because humans never grow in linear ways none of us do. Everything is process and everything grows and matures in different directions, even mentally. And because you never had 50 years of mental growth at age 18 they said you had a disorder and you believed them. Total horse shit. Stop using the words "neurotylical" or "neurodivergent"
>>35071562Great post, saved
>>35071376>From my research it seems like neurotypicals have an irrational hate of neurodivergents>I have no real personality or life goals>Seems like my only purpose in life is to be opposed to NT's10/10, thank you for being so honest without even realising it.>>35071407>I live in society, I necessarily interact with people.>My only real desire is to lay in bed all dayYou can just be polite and well mannered when you interact with normos and not bother other people outside of necessary interactions. You are dragging your ass around on the carpet like a dog with worms, and then blame the rug burn on the carpet.>>35071437>I don't feel emotions very strongly>so don't want to achieve anything but sleep>my only logical conclusion is to inflict pain on themSo you implicitly acknowledge that emotions are a motivating force. If you do not feel emotions strongly, why is inflicting pain on others logical? Do you think it will stop people from hurting you? If all you want to do is sleep, you can do it. You have to pay rent and groceries and all that bullshit, and that means pretending to be a normo to hold down a job, but in your free time, you can just go to bed - something normos also have to do because normies gotta pay rent too, doofus! You can just go to bed, put on a movie or some shit, eat pringles, who gives a fuck. Instead, you go to instagram, look at shit designed to stir your emotions, uncritically drink the kool-aid, then spend the night mad and posting on 4chan about, insisting you don't feel emotions strongly.You feel them VERY strongly, you're just an egotist.
>>35071540Seems to that's what every ND billionaire is trying to do...
>>35071573Sociopaths like that do not care if you're "NT" or "ND".
>>35071570Bad guy here again.See, take the person who posted this for example. When I attack people, I know they are probably like this. So why not just go for it?I think the most intersting thing I discovered was that I had the wrong idea of myself. I thought I would feel strong guilt, but it turns out I simply don't. You might find that too.
>>35071569Thank you>>35071376And I'll tell you one more thing OP, the solution to all the problems the magical key that makes every single so-called "disorder" vanish. The thing psychologists should tell their paying customers but will never say it in a million years because that means losing businessJust stop identifying as your thoughts bro. That's literally all you have to do. The reason why people have "mental health" problems is because they believe it exists. And they believe it exists because for some dumb reason they genuinely think that the brain chatter or inner narrator inside their own head is their identity. Just decouple that shit, understand that isn't who you are and it's not even an identity. Regard it the same way as a fart or a burp or the hiccups. The thoughts are from You but your thoughts ≠ (you). You are not your own thoughts and whatever imaginary narrator or self.image you got of yourself in your head is just a dumb illusion. Get rid of that illusion and you get rid of all of the "disorders" that torments the make believe phantom in your head.
>>35071541So true. If you refuse to let me win no matter what I do, then all I can do is retaliate by brining negativity into this world
>>35071551>I know the vast majority don'tThere are studies on this but whateverYou know what would be interesting? Tell me your hobbies
>>35071562bro's going to tell parents of highly autistic non-verbal children to just buy their $400 online course in which the teachings are>just lock in and talk bro
>>35071606Painting, martial arts, hiking, birdwatching and quite a few others. I can engage in normal society because I decided there were hobbies I wanted to get into and just got into them. It's that simple.
>>35071635>Painting, martial arts, hiking, birdwatching And you aren't good at any of them.
>>35071643I'm learning and doing something about it. Which is more than you can say for yourself.
>>35071643>reduced to this sad attempt at making some autistic anon feel badI'm gonna guess that your life isn't going great
>>35071655I'll wipe the floor with you in all of them except fucking birdwatching.
>>35071570>Seems like my only purpose in life is to be opposed to NT's>SEEMSWhy is this so hard for people to understand? I have NOT operated under this idea and I am CONSIDERING it given what I've learnt. My whole life I have had multiple masks and therefore multiple fake life goals>You can just be polite and well mannered when you interact with normos and not bother other people outside of necessary interactionsThat's *THE* problem. Even when I am "just nice" people are mean to me and actively try to tear me down through rumours and other thingsBit of a side tangent but earlier this year (before I had any thoughts of ND) I started becoming meaner to people and they LOVED it. I will never understand NT's and their love for feeling less than those they are around...>If you do not feel emotions strongly, why is inflicting pain on others logical?The word I used is logical, not emotional
>>35071657Read the thread, he fired off shots at the other dude.
>>35071659No you won't fatass.
>>35071660>I started becoming meaner to people and they LOVED it.100%
>>35071660Sounds like you're around a group of assholes and that you're an asshole as well. Consider putting effort in to change the people you talk to.
>>35071570>>35071660>You can just go to bed, put on a movie or some shit, eat pringles, who gives a fuckI'm sorry but I don't find this life very meaningful>insisting you don't feel emotions stronglyI don't know why you think I am lying. I've dated multiple women in the past and never loved a single one of them
>>35071669>fatassI lift and box, my bodyfat is sitting at 13%. I've beaten people half to death too, not "martial arts as a hobby"I won't post my digital artwork because it's online, but here is a PENCIL drawing I did in jail with no references or anything at all to look at.
>>35071681I definitely believe you, that's why you have to spend your days talking shit online. Fat retard, getting people into fatal positions is fucking easy.
>>35071376hide your power level and wait for the enemy to make a mistake. they will always make a mistake.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcgoaZjsu8&ra=m
>>35071687If 13% is fat then sure, I'm a fat retard.>is fucking easythen why did you never manage to do it, bitch
>>35071660>organized a reading group at one point>one of the guys is famously unreliable>try to be reasonable about it>doesn't show up on time AGAIN>decide I've had it, pick a random spot to do the group without telling him where to find us>few days later girl in our group messages me to invite me out to drinkI wonder if I'd get more attention if I just started randomly bullying people (only low-status people others see as a nuisance and no one will stand up for). But my conscience wouldn't let me get away with that, and desu it's better that way.
>>35071575When I say it's NT vs ND that is a little bit of simplification as I also don't agree or like every ND person. But I think it's undeniable that by creating a negative world, ND billionaires can cause as many NT's as possible to suffer. Their actions are taken on an individual basis, but all of their goals are the same
>>35071696I grew up in a violent household, it's pretty easy to murder someone if you want to. I don't because it's fucking stupid to care so much about other people when you have so little time in this world.If you want to waste your life faking superiority online you can do it, but it's pretty easy to tell you're doing this because your ass would get dropped in 2 seconds irl.I can't tell if you're the autist in the OP or some random dude but either way you sound neither tough nor someone you want to be around. Either way the solution is pretty obvious and it's to not be an asshole with such a negative outlook or not.
>>35071700>my conscience wouldn't let me get away with thatI would argue that you don't know that in advance. Give it a shot, you might find that you're sociopathic.
>>35071709I'm flattered you think I'm faking. Are you in Europe? Let's see how you drop me in 2 seconds irl, should be no problem for you.
>>35071717Just go to any black neighborhood and try this shit if you want an authentic experience.
>>35071729RiiiightNice artwork and martial skills by the way, faggot. I'm sure your "advice" is worth a lot.
>>35071744You're welcome. I like spending my time trying to bring others up because that is fulfilling. You're probably going to learn to be nicer and to focus on improving yourself the hard way, but life has a way of giving its lessons.
>>35071623>bro's going to tell parents of highly autistic non-verbal children to just buy their $400 online course in which the teachings areNo I would tell the parents to go fuck themselves though. Verbalisation is something that is learned, not a single baby comes out of the womb with any sort of vocabulary or speech. By three months the baby will start making noises from syllables >AAA aa>Eee ee Ooo Oo>Duu duu duuAnd the baby does this not because it taught itself it's because it saw two parents moving their lips and talking noises at its face every single day for three months. That's how speech and language and verbalizing is learned and the reason I'd tell the parents to fuck themselves is because they would be hiding their incompetence behind a disorder to save their own asses. I knew a non verbal autistic kid IRL, my best friend's nephew who lived at home with him and his parents and his sister (the mom of the kid). I know the family since childhood and I can promise you the reason why the little autist didn't learn anything is because his mom was a party girl and an alcoholic who was never at home and the father was never in the picture, she'd come home dump the kid on her parents and no one bothered their ass to interact with the kid outside of changing the diaper and shoving fake milk formula down its mouth. I am willing to bet the parents of non verbals are the same. I am extremely cynical because I have time and time again seen parents fuck the shit out of a babies development and they can't help but jump at the chance for anything that shifts blame especially if they get a nice big juicy disorder label for the kid because that makes the parents seem like poor little me parents
>>35071596I used to believe stuff like this before, but once I realised that there are many people who have lived a much better life then me and are depressed, I concluded depression must be a chemical imbalance
>>35071753You can't bring anyone up or down, since there is very little substance to you. No real experience, skills, anything...
>>35071437>autist doesn’t feel emotions stronglyHUH.Autists may not be able to tell you what they’re feeling (Alexithymia, it’s a bitch), but we sure as shit do feel. Often it feels a lot bigger than what NT’s experience. That’s why the overstim occurs because there’s too much intensity and then you either shut down and go nonverbal, or explode and start screaming/tantrum.>t. Am diagnosed autist since before it was “trendy”The BEST thing you can do as an autistic person is to learn social cues and also seek emotional learning tools. I’d look into Foxtale. Yes it’s a bit childish, but because it’s animals in there and not people, it feels “nicer”. Idk why, it must be like Thomas and Friends where it’s been proven that autistic children get better emotional learning skills from that show than human centered ones.Also self hatred will NOT get you a GF. When that mask slips, the facade you put on for someone will be the “person” they knew. Not actually you.
>>35071761I have quite a lot of personal experience since I actively chose to take a bunch of different jobs growing up and spent my free time reading about a bunch of subjects because I knew the Internet and my nearby surroundings were killing my soul. I'm not perfect by any means because nobody is. Once you realize that you'll feel a huge weight lift off you and you're free to explore this world without feeling a constant need to compete with others.
>>35071754I wonder why there are more non-verbal kids now that adults are too busy checking their phones all day to give their toddlers their undivided attention! probably just a coincidence.
>>35071635>Painting>Hiking>BirdwatchingAll of these are solitary activities. Doesn't prove that NT's don't hate us>Martial artsThis is just stimulated violence. Violence is exactly what NT's would do to us if it wasn't for the law. Accused of witchcraft and jumped in the village square. NT's like to spar with you because in another world they'd just beat you to deathThe reason I asked about hobbies is because these are NOT engaging in normal society like you claim. I'm happy you enjoy these activities but they're not proof that NT's don't hate us, and since I am a people person at heart, I will never be accepted in any "people" hobby and therefore struggle on knowing what to do moving forwardIn my eyes (emphasising *my eyes*) I view a lot of these solo activities as just a healthier version of masturbation. Not something I'm interested in as I find it very meaningless
>>35071778Maybe you should stop trying to pontificate like a holier than thou faggot, you insecure nerdy bitch
>>35071674This isn't with a specific group. This is just around anyone I interacted with
>>35071787>All of these are solitary activities. Doesn't prove that NT's don't hate usYou join clubs/small communities if you want to have fun with it. I can't convince you because you don't have any experience with the outside world so you're just finding whatever statistics prove you're right instead of actually understanding humans.>This is just stimulated violence.The first rule of any self-defense is that you learn it so you never have to use it. Also many of the eastern ones emphasize that the self is just part of the cosmos and that cultivating the self allows you to connect with others and help them.>In my eyes (emphasising *my eyes*) I view a lot of these solo activities as just a healthier version of masturbation. Not something I'm interested in as I find it very meaninglessI'm beginning to think this is a larp. If you really see doing anything that improves yourself as meaningless then just do nothing and continue to feel meaningless.
>>35071782Exactly. That's why the 'autism' figures have shot up drastically. Right around the time where parents had more devices to hand kids to do the parenting for them. Also not a coincidence why silicon valley types have "Asperger's", the reason they have that is the same reason they're so good at computers. It's because the computer screen was the only object in their home at was willing to be in the same room as them. They had so much time to devote to computers because that's exactly what the parents left them with alone in their room
>>35071787In your case, old fashioned sitting at the dive bar and shooting the shit with other outcasts while getting drunk will probably be the best mode of socialization. I can definitely day that this is where I ended up meeting all the most interesting and intelligent people, not at university, jobs or doing other activities.
>>35071801Just kys dude
>>35071415>If I just found out I'm ND how could my life always have been in opposition to NT'S lol.Nigger I'm just going by YOUR own direct words in your own post, you tell me then kek.
>>35071709>>35071717>>35071657>>35071662I have no clue what is going on here. I'm OP and the fact that he didn't clarify if he was OP or not makes me think he's doing this to try and make me look insane and discredit me.
>>35071774I don't struggle with girls. See >>35071679Do you think I could just be sociopathic?
>>35071801>The first rule of any self-defense is that you learn it so you never have to use it. Also many of the eastern ones emphasize that the self is just part of the cosmos and that cultivating the self allows you to connect with others and help themNo clue what you're talking about here. Do you spar or not?>If you really see doing anything that improves yourself as meaningless then just do nothing and continue to feel meaninglessStrawman. My comment is about SOLO activities, not activities as a whole
>>35071859>>35071813Okay now I think this guy is schizo and thinks he is me
>>35071846see >>35071660
>>35071963No, I just didn't feel the need to specify "NOT OP" because it's self-evident from context.
>>35071923Nta but it could be that you're falling for the Disney myth that was taught to all of us as children, that love is supposed to be this super special feeling or set of emotional states. Eventually in adulthood you learn it's not a feeling it's a reciprocal choice, actual love is driven by rationality more than anything
>>35071660>I started becoming meaner to people and they LOVED it.Are you sure they weren't just more afraid of you? And treated you nicely so you wouldn't bully them either?
>>35071796>insecure nerdy bitchIronic
>>35072498Oh you're butthurt too?
>>35072527I'm fine, thanks for asking
>>35072536You sure? Don't wanna cry some more about my posts? Maybe kill yourself? Faggot?
>>35072548Meds. Now.
>>35072027>falling for the Disney myththat seems to be how everyone around me feels about it. I could make a whole separate thread about it but I'm confused on if men are just larping about "falling in love". The idea that something happens that make you fall in love with a women is completely alien to me and has ruined many female friendships for me. I don't understand why I would start feeling differently about a women after a certain period of time. They're hot, and I want to fuck - it's a simple as that !Makes me wonder if men are lying about love. But others seem to genuinely believe in it and often shed tears over girls. I don't understand
>>35071660You have a brain and experience sensations, no? Why do you think "logic" is some kind of indifferent motivator in your psyche, and not merely the rationale your emotions use to justify themselves? Consider basic modus ponens.If Q, then Q. P, therefore QFirst word of that>IFAny "logic" is based on an a priori agreement with a premise. What is the premise you have already accepted or assumed that leads you to assume hurting other people is "logical"? Devoid of any internal motivations (that's what emotions are, its the subjective experience resulting from internal brain mechanics that drives you to act on the world beyond automatic reflex), why is hurting others logical? >>35071679>I don't find this life very meaningfulIf you don't experience emotions, why do you care if life is meaningful? Why do you want to pursue "meaning" if you are unable to experience emotions? What makes you want to pursue meaning?I don't think you're lying, I think you're an idiot who has deluded himself into thinking that his inner monologue is an unbiased and true reflection of his own nature. You are not your thoughts or feelings or emotions, you are that which observes those things. You've confused the internal monologue in your head that says "I don't experience emotions" for yourself. You aren't "lying" to deceive US, your subconscious is confabulating bullshit to try and explain your experiences in a way that defends itself from critique or investigation. That's what ego is - it rationalises what you say, think, feel, and do, whilst attempting to mask itself from you.>never loved a single one of themThere are other emotions besides romantic love. This is a childish view of the world, you're just regurgitating whatever media and culture you've consumed has told you, and you think it is self evident truth that you've independently discovered.
>>35071787>>35072548Autists really make posts like these and then get perplexed why everyone remotely normal loathes them LOL
>>35073950I'm glad you're so upset, seethe some more
>>35071489You say you want to be invisible but benefit from living in society.Pay your rent.
>>35074390No, since we are not given the option to live outside of it, rent is $0.
>>35074400Go in the woods and live with the animals. No one's forcing you to interact. Parasites
>>35071376>What the fuck am I supposed to do with this information?Well for starters stop changing your personality. You will never ever get 100% of people to like you. So just worry about liking yourself and be polite.A NT person has to expend extra effort to have a decent conversation with a ND person. This upsets them and they know it's your fault. ND people are used to having to expend that effort to talk to anyone at all so we're not seeing the extra burden we put on "normal" people when they try to interact with us and that pisses them off too. We are making their life harder by not being normal, forget the fact that our life is harder all the time for the same reason. That's not their problem.
>>35074411Here's the deal. YOU will slave, WE will relax. Get back to wagie slave work faggot.
>>35074421>This upsets them and they know it's your faultOh nooo, is the NT gonna cwy now? Cry me a river
