man
pro: you get to spend time with women
con: you need to spend time with women

>>35087300

Man

Pro: You get to secure your legacy
Con: you have to babysit the retarded incubator and make sure it doesn't strangle your legacy in the basement while youre at tha sto

Man

Pleasure seeker at heart: but the end of that road is emptiness and going to further lengths to hit the button. Being married has added value to my life and giving of myself has been good for me in unexpected ways.

I think it only works for me now because i know the futility of the empty pursuits

>>35087462
This is much easier to accomplish if you keep her chained up in your basement.

1. Never
2. None

woman
pro: get to spend the rest of my life with a wonderful person
con: i have to shift through piles of shit to meet that person

Woman
Pro: I get to butt fuck my husband
Con: It’s probably reciprocated

Woman
pro: you get to spend time with men
con: you need to spend time with men

1. man
2. pros you get companionship and sex. you get to face the hardships of life with, with luck, someone you can count on.
cons: they demand a lof of time and energy. if youre in love with a particular hobby - say, literature - youre gonna have less time to dedicate to that

>>35087300
>pros
none. You can just be together with a woman without all the legal fagging about
>cons
Women gets half your stuff, lawyers geta fat share, any breakup is now a long drawn out affiar where lawyers and courts will to their best to talk your ex into turning an amicable split into all out war so they can shekel you out for fees

man
pros: i get to find someone who i can share my personal goals and dreams with who will love me for the rest of my life
cons: this person doesn't exist for me

>>35087300
A man

The pros of marrying are unconditional love, joy, happiness, children, companionship, trust, loyalty, mercy, kindness, and respect.

The cons are not having any of that.

>>35087300
Male
i uhh im umm like i think ermmm bcus like ykkkk maybe when the yeahhhh

49 year old man here. Pros of getting married are that you have someone no matter what, a person that is always on your side and sticks with you. Assuming you actually have a good spouse. The con, if it matters to you, is that women will try to stop having sex with you after marriage until they want a kid. Outside of having kids, the majority of wives will try to do away with sex. They lose attraction, for some reason. I’m 6’0”, I weigh 205, muscular from lifting weights, I can fight because I train MMA and BJJ, I have a bachelors degree and I am going to get my masters. I take home about $125,000. I’m moderately attractive in my face, maybe just average on my worst day. I dress well, I provide, I take care of my kids, have provided a very comfortable life for my wife. We travel overseas at least once a year for pleasure, sometimes twice, plus a cruise every summer, plus 2-3 domestic vacations yearly. I only work 3-4 days per week. My penis is 6.5”. My IQ is 130. And guess what? My fucking wife won’t even suck my dick more than 3-4 times a year. Sex is a battle I’ve been fighting against her for over ten years. She claims she is attracted and loves having sex with me, but if I stopped making it happen, it never would, and she wouldn’t even notice. My advice to you: If sex matters to you at all, never get married. Sex is nothing but a tool for women.

>>35091825
Can't you talk her into letting you have mistresses?

Male

Pros are having someone that you can invest in, who loves you and does nice things for you and raises your babies.

Cons are she's fucking crazy and sometimes doesn't do those things well.

>>35091825
You need to run some of that "dread game" the PUA dipshits talk about where you openly flirt with the waitress when you two are at dinner and shit like that

>>35087300
1. Male

2. Waste of time

>>35091825
>>35091844
>>35092072
Just noticed typo, I’m 40. Not 49.

She would never allow a mistress, nor would I ever want to open up that type of stress that would happen if I chose a crazy one.

I don’t know about that working or not. It seems every little thing that women in general are attracted to, my wife is different from them. I had an opportunity to get into volunteer firefighting, and I asked her if she thought she’d like seeing me in the firefighting gear (studies and surveys ALWAYS place that job at the top of female attraction scores). Of course she said no, it would only scare her and she’s not into that. Great. Thanks, I’ll add that to the list of things that DON’T turn you on. That’s a long fucking list. The problem is that I’ll ask what DOES turn her on, and the answers she gives are always bullshit that has never worked in our entire relationship. The truth is that women do not care about their man. They don’t know how to care. They care about their life with him, but it’s only from the angle of THEIR own comfort. Sex is nothing but a tool to a woman. Once you’re married and she’s done having kids, sex is pointless for her. She will only sleep with a guy she’s attracted to, and she’s been with her husband too long to have attraction.

>>35087462
legacy of what

1. Male
2.
Pros:
Having the riches of love. Fruitfulness. Oblation. Dearness. Certain consolations that could not be piquant and alive when counterfeited in a marriage's absence. In matrimony's absence. Spiritual vocation, to which we are all called, is spousal. We are to share ourselves that Jesus may give us His life. Marriage is a most important means to identify the mystery which is the quality of Christ's love for His beloved. The other way whereby we live out the spousal vocation is to by way of ordination, marry the Church on Jesus' behalf. Besides these one may be called to celibacy, perhaps subsequent tragic circumstance, but this always harks to an opportunity to in an extraordinarily unfettered way to depend on Christ even more deeply, and venture with no restraints of family life into mission and evangelization; which is in its own right a family life, and perhaps is the most treasured and supplicant family life possible. Christ must cherish that last-mentioned mission exceedingly so. Celibacy is marriage. And un-celibacy is matrimony, and is chastening for something so markedly lavish.
Cons:
If it happens to not necessarily be your vocation.

>>35092513
Yeah, all of that is true. So if you really want sex again then you might as well go to Vegas with a friend and get some hookers. You could try whatever "dread game" tactics like spending less time with her and attracting other women in front of her, but those aren't guaranteed to work and might just upset her.

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M divorced
>dating
con : you have to make efforts, a lot of competion
pro : see above and you have to improve yourself, you're free to leave anytime

>marrying
con : goodbye freedom and hobbies, you're always broke
pro : you have a family

>>35087300
1. Male
2. Pros: I could get to marry my soulmate after 28 long grueling years of being single
Cons: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... it's a rather long list.

>>35092539
of kain: defiance

>>35087300
Man
>Pro
Slightly less lonely at night, pitential us there for more but usually unmet.
Grandparents and parents stop bugging you about it.
>Cons
Will crush most of the expectations you have about relationships.
Will probably cut you off from friends/hobbies/extraincome.
Will not really be emotionally supporting and takes you from friends you are able to open up with.

>>35093293
>You have a family
That is rare and usually not the case from people i know but the rest is true with my married friends.

>>35092513
Hmm desire operates in ambiguity, like the old zizek talk when he talks about that French film. The lady and the man are done with their date and she turns to him and say "want to come up for coffee? , but I am all out of coffee" as soon as they have you in totality there is no room for fantasy to live in conjunction. With women the push and play and tension which is very lacanian to be honest is where the attraction lies. Because a lot of it is gonna be like you overlay a fantasy on someone and then eventually that fake fantasy you assigned them over time cracks splinters and reveals itself.

>>35093819
There is an invitation, but it isn't completely explicit. There is a suggestion, but not a declaration. There is an element of play between the symbolic meaning and the implied meaning.

This is where we encounter the Lacanian distinction between demand and desire.
- Demand: What is explicitly requested.
- Desire: What emerges beyond the explicit request, in the space that language cannot completely articulate.
The woman isn't simply requesting that he drink coffee. She's creating an opening in which he must interpret her desire.

And importantly, he has to participate in that interpretation.

The desire isn't simply handed to him as a completed object.

There is something left to discover.

Sorry for the ai slop but this is what I'm trying to say

>>35087300
Man
>dating
Oxytocin, can always breakup without splitting money
>Marrying
absolutely no pros in this, woman gets secured and she feels as if she doesn't have to perform anymore because no matter what'd she do she will not be thrown out and divorce costs a lot