As a pet owner I'd be very concerned about any animals being outside in general.No shot this doesn't backfire and kill some native species.
>>5077123you just catch the cats
They should exterminate the Maori savages next
>>5077123>No shot this doesn't backfire and kill some native speciesBecause feral cats aren't killing those native species already? lmao It's possible short term pain to eradicate an issue that left unchecked will continue forever.
I haven't lived in NZ for a while but I remember them killing a whole bunch of dogs years and years ago with indiscriminate rat poison pellet drops in the south island, hopefully they don't do something retarded again.
>>5077123Gigabased. We need to do the same in America.
>we need to torture pets to death with poison because thats a white change to the ecosystem. only maori can change the ecosystem!Nativist conservation is part of anti-white genocidal rhetoric. >whites have no culture, are not a valid race, invented everything bad, and everything they do is bad. the only good thing is to get rid of them and things associated with them. replace whites with jews and you have mein kampfreplace whites with blacks and you have jim crowmaori already killed animals they dislike and favored animals they do like, and catching a boat ride first does not make them more important. the only right thing to do is stop the cycle of senseless killing and let the cats be. some birds will be replaced by other species. its nature. let the ecosystem evolve. the pre-white state is not holy and certainly not holier than the pre-human state. cats and dogs are an interesting change and they hunt other introduced species like deer and mice. neither of those are going away. they only want to kill the cats because they are a proxy for white culture. they dont care about valid reasons like toxoplasmosis deaths or outdoor cats horrible welfarealso see: wild dogs brown people brought to australia good. wild dogs white people brought are "impure" and must be killed. they are the same fucking animal. aussies only kill dogs that came from white settlers because they hate white people. it is that simple. the foundation of modern nativist conservation is hating white people. brown people can burn continents to the ground to have an easier time hunting and it is suddenly okay.
>>5077153You don’t understand chud. Those dogs had to suffer horrible deaths so we could continue taking pictures of a silly bird. Besides, dogs are white "person" animals. They don’t matter unless they’re owned by heccin valid brown people because they caught a boat ride slightly earlier. Now say sorry for slavery and the holocaust.
>>5077123It's possible if they can develop genetically modified cats to release into the wild with a gene drive that makes them only produce male offspring, then all feral cats on the island will die off within a few generations.Of course, there would need to be strict controls to make sure no cats are removed from the islands during the process so as to not create the possibility of the genetically modified cats from getting out of control.
They did it to Philip Island in Australia, and it worked well. Keep your pet indoors and teach it to walk on a leash, and have an enclosed space outside. It's not hard; cat owners can seriously be both dumb and abusive towards their animals and their care/husbandry.t. parrot owner who provides enclosure, an aviary, and enrichment to his animals, and adopts and doesn't shop.
Are there feral dog culls? I mean for ecological reasons not distemper.
>>5077373>distemperI mean rabies. I thought they were the same disease.
>dead birds...>dead rainbow birdsUNLIMITED FELIGGER GENOCIDE
>>5077373Yeah we had them here. Feral dogs are considered a danger in general so people don't mind when they're culled.>>5077123Good.Honestly, it's nice to see people waking up to the threat feral cats pose to biodiversity.In a lot of areas there just isn't anything to control their numbers, because anything that can kill a cat (like say, a feral dog or coyote) would be dangerous to children.I live near an area that's meant to be a protected zone for some ground-nesting bird species but the place has turned into a fucking buffet for the feral cat colonies.TNR does nothing, it's never done anything. Feral cats multiply in huge amounts you physically cannot spay and return that many. The only solution is mass cullings- the same way we deal with any other invasive pest like rats and boars.
>>5077373feral dogs are pretty much put down everywhere, because theyre dangerous to people, unless youre india
>>5077420The issue with cat culls though it is tends to produce rat/mice booms which again harass and attack ground-nesting birds.Poisoning the rats could lead to poisoning the very bird population you're trying to protect.In the end the issue of cat culls is kinda complicated and above my pay-grade but I generally see it as a good thing. Birds are a lot more capable of fighting off a rat than they are against a cat ambush.
>>5077424no, rats are not an issue, and mice are vegetarians
@5077176>>>/pol/
Only 200 years after rats and cats and dogs drove most of their wildlife to extinction but okay.
Total cat death.
>>5077123No it isn't because there are humans in NZ. The pet overpopulation problem stops immediately and ONLY once the human overpopulation problem comes to an end.>>5077135Not a bad plan.
>>5077123nooooooooooooooo my 7 little sweet fur babies that live outside would never harm a wild animal. someone get PETA on the line, this is genocide
>>5077172>we need to torture petsferal pests are not pets, anon. you seem to struggle with basic concepts because of toxo in your brain>>5077176low iq take
>>5077172>they only want to kill the cats because they are a proxy for white cultureno, dogs are white culture. cats are islamic
>>5077172>the pre-white state is not holy As a coastal white boy, It's pretty fucking cool to me how untouched the Americas were before European contact. They didn't even have earthworms, and Tenochtitlan was made in the middle of a swamp because even waterborne illnesses were less of a thing.
>>5077123Good stuff. Hope this sentiment spreads.
>>5077172Nah, fuck off back to England if you think the only avian wildlife worth preserving is starlings, sparrows, and ducks
>>5077373Yes, but you don't hear about it because only cat fags get up in arms.
>>5077123Great ideaStrays cats are responsible for the extinctions of several species
>>5077476rats didnt do shit, thats a false flag for pigs
>>5077424
As an animal and cat lover, tell me why this is a bad thing?
>>5077373Feral dogs attack our dogs. We hate them. Feral cats ARE their cats because cat people are lazy and mentally illThis is cultural. In mexico, for example, the feral dogs are their dogs.
>>5077172BASEDThis is exactly what I've been saying. New Zealand and Australia are anomalies, they are young and incomplete ecosystems. They would have been colonized by placental mammals eventually given enough time. You even have other cosmopolitan families like Ranidae getting across the Wallace Line and starting to colonize the continent.More megafauna is good. We need more megafauna (especially predators) to alter ecosystems and make them more complex.Small cats are already present around the entire world. The only reason feral cats are bad is because they can reach artificially high densities with humans feeding them in suburbs. In the wild feral cats would be kept in check by birds of prey and larger predators. >>5077607>They didn't even have earthwormsEarthworms were in the southern USA because the glaciers wiped everything clean. The upper half of North America is only 10,000 years old. Are you telling me earthworms wouldn't have started migrating northwards and recolonize it? Clearly they can survive there if european and asian earthworms are doing fine. Are these exotic earthworms "invasive" or did we just speed up the inevitable?Conservationists are retarded because it's completely arbitrary. They want to take a snapshot of the ecosystem and keep it exactly like that even though the world is always changing. Either we go along with it or fight a retarded futile battle.
>>5077123We've been trying here in australia.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPPSPrwaweAHell of a lot more land to cover though.
>>5077123That's incredibly hypocritical and tone deaf.
>>5078915As long as dogs have as much of a right to eat cats as cats have a right to eat rats. It’s natural behavior and i loathe people who think their roaming cat is so high up that dogs should be punished for performing natural pest control behaviors.>your cat ate my outdoor rat! -a moron
>>5078915lol, like clockwork. How is it every single toxo always tries to deflect to humans?
>>5078919When an outdoor cat person realizes their position is untenable…>humans are worse>what about feral dogs in the third world>pitbulls?>cat people smart dog people dumb, cats wild animals choose us, dog person evil slave driver>*furry porn*
>>5078941Why is literally all your AI generated furry porn of the exact same german shepherd model, catschizo?
>>5077123What exactly is so hard about keeping your cat fucking inside, where it belongs? Most dog owners keep their cunt dogs on leashes too, why can't cat owners be not retarded too?
>>5078915Toxofag accidentally made a valid point in between all the bacteria-induced ramblings, although I suspect it was accidental. Desex and release is a far more effective (or at least more efficient) means of population control than actually killing cats, at least in environments where it is practical or where other methods are contraindicated. Killing a cat means you have one dead cat. Desexing and releasing a cat means that cat is still around, hogging resources that other cats could be using (food, territory, mates) even if they defend those resources less effectively than an intact cat. There is an upfront cost to this approach, but population numbers don't rebound in nearly the same time they do after a simple cull, and you don't run the risk of poisoning native carnivores as you would with bait, no matter how targeted the delivery method.
>>5079206but its cheaper just to kill them than deal with them for the next 5 year
>>5079206TNR has literally never worked. It’s just protracted euthanasia via nature. Eradication and cutting off the source does work. It’s what we did to get rid of feral dog packs in the first world. Require cat owners to spay and neuterHeavily fine anyone with an intact catHave cat-catchers aggressively snatching up any cat found loose, give owners one week to claim them before the cat diesBefore long the toxodrones will learn responsibility.
>>5077123Stopped caring about cats since one entered my house and tried to eat my parrot
>>5077162Feral people too?
>>5077123TCD
impossible. as long as they allow pet cats, there'll be an endless supply of retards creating more ferals.
>>5077123Why don't they just keep their cats indoors?
>>5077135Spbp
>>5077172Never forget the Māori didn’t exist in NZ until 1800. They genocided the Moriori and stole their land.
>>5078098Man I'd love to get rat companions for my cats but they would absolutely murder them.
>>5081081>keep cat indoors>cat stares at window all dayAlso farmers use cats to keep rats out of their crops.
>>5077369> AustraliaYou know their "native" canine is actually just a feral dog
>>5077123>New Zealand going to eradicate all feral cats by 2050It resembles the epic battle of the 20th century Chinese with sparrows.And what will New Zealand do with the hordes of feral mice that will appear as a consequence of their actions in year 2051?
>>5081536And heckin trad very wise rural folx from a long time ago also used to think that the earth was flat, the body required a healthy balance of puss to function, and that black cats were magically bad luck when they are actually just better at hiding the signs of fleas AKA transmitting black plague (which cats are excellent at doing)Cats are not and have never been pest control. Keep them inside.https://archive.is/wip/aCYmT>>5081556Cats do not control rodent populations. In fact, in california studies, the presence of feral cats made pest mice more common because they are much better at hunting native mammals than they are at hunting pest mice, which opened up new niches for the mice.https://cales.arizona.edu/pubs/adjunct/snr0704/snr07042l.pdfIf cats have anything to eat that is not a mouse or a rat, they will prefer the easier prey. Birds, native mammals, reptiles, garbage, etc.
>>507717210/10 post
>>5078915>whataboutism.png
>>5081559I'm gonna plea doubles additive here, because I don't think getting rid of feral cats is bad, but California has native animals that eat small mammals. New Zealand doesn't.
>>5077135>NOOOO YOU CANT GENOCIDE US>okay we genocided the moriori too and also ate them, and also basically all of our population decline post European contact was us just shooting each other with imported guns but we're totally not weirdo savage freaks whose culture should have been destroyed like with the Aztecs
>>5081616Life is meant to be compared. Weighed.
>>5081618Cats are not effective predators of house mice and pest rats. They prefer dumber or less cautious animals and mice and rats have evolved specifically to avoid being wiped out by cats. Cats have nothing to contribute to NZ. Mind you cats only naturally exist in places where their population is kept in check by canines, their primary natural predator. There is no mouse/cat predator that would not also wipe out kakapos and kiwis.
>>5081627>Weighedfatphobia
who cares they are just animals.
>>5077373first world countries don't really have feral dogs, that's a second and third world problemSometimes people's dogs get out or run away obviously, but those are strays, not ferals. Strays get rounded up and either returned to their owner, adopted out or put down before they can establish a stable population
>>5077123And, if it this is true, youd better give source, not that we'd be able to go online and complain about it because they'll censor discussions of culled cats and photo evidence because they want to stop you feeling saaad :(You don't want to see that photo of three coppers beating up a Maori MP, do you? You need to prove you're over 18 with your passport scan, as knowing about police violence makes kids feel saaaad :(etc etc
>>5082317>posting racist language outside of /b/Why are you bringing yourself into this conversation?
>>5077123I've never understood the arguments against feral cat culling. Is it really just familiarity bias? People who eat pigs and cows daily are morally appalled by it. It's not really different from killing rats or mice in your house. I own several cats, but the thought of an invasive pet animal killing a Kiwi or Kakapo is sickening.
>>5081620Actually fucking eating the previous inhabitants is honestly pretty based. The Maori up until recently were actually relatively reasonable about "ok you kicked the ever loving shit out of us fair and square, you win, thanks for not just fucking wiping us off the map"
>>5082363>Is it really just familiarity bias?Pretty much, most people only really support invasive species culls when they're traditionally reviled creatures like snakes or small vermin. Make it about culling feral dogs or cats and suddenly you get the most asinine takes imaginable as people bend over backwards to justify their feelings. Prime example being the idiots in this thread.
>>5077123what causing cats to gain this amount of schizo hate in environmentalism? you dont hear this about dogs, small feral mammals like rabbits and ferrets and livestock? also not to mention the damage that people do including adding more and more immigrants who do not give a fuck? not to mention how now new zealand also now has a ferret and a marsupial issue.
>>5082215anon Australia has a feral dog issue
>>5082809Australia's biggest problem is that it's full of australians
>>5082824that too
>>5082808Culling feral dogs is nothing new and same with livestock. Mass hunting of feral hogs happen all the time.
