>>5088030
- Inconsistent and arcane criteria for his tier rankings.
- Gimmick gets old after a few videos.
- Thinks he's an expert and gets mad when people correct him.
- Promotes lazy "pop science."

because you're a bad person who can't handle the words of an intelligent and heartfelt man. sincerity is a poison to you

I don't care how many times you make this thread. Make it a thousand, a million times. I don't know or care who this is. If it's you I am never going to engage with your contentent intentionally, beyond this single post on 4chan.org where I call you a nigger and tell you to go shove a banana in your ear you fucking retard. Kill yourself with a wrench. Eat shit. Get cancer. Die.

>>5088111
Buck broken

>>5088030
the gimmick was already played out years ago so I don't understand why people still watch his stuff but it's just inoffensive entertainment, don't know how you can actively dislike it

>>5088030
It's always the same 5 fucking games he uses for every joke

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>>5088111
>shove a banana in your ear
>t.

Zefrank is better.

>>5088689
I liked Zefrank before the hiatus but after it i find his videos pretty lame and i am not sure why

>>5088754
oh damn didn't know he still made vids. just saw the one on bats and thought it was cute and funny

>>5088754
Maybe because he focuses more on actual science rather than the goofs? idk I still really like him

>>5088773
Idk bro. It's not that i think they are worse i just don't enjoy them as much

The gimmick was funny and fresh the first few times he uploaded video but that was years ago. I haven't even looked at or thought of that channel in years but I'd imagine he's stuck doing it until it stops working because that's what the audience wants.

I enjoy his content because it's fun
The fact that the videos are the same now as when he just started works because he uploads a video once a month at most

>>5088030
Do people unironically watch this? It’s cringe as fuck.

>>5088030
His scorpion video was ridiculous. He doesn't understand that they have motion sensors and don't just rely on their eyes.

>>5088030
He never recovered after the paleo community trashed his dinosaur video and exposed him as an ignoramus.

>>5089141
Why would he ever hire Trey to write his dinosaur video? is he retarded?

>>5089184
trey was doing a pretty good job pretending to be a paleontologist until bell et al shredded him

he actually seems pretty chill on his second channel, i think he leans into the reddit format for his videos because it works, he also straight up admits his newest video is just a stitched together compilation to abuse long form content monetization so at least hes honest lol

>>5089185
He got so absolutely BTFO that he left the topic of paleontology entirely. I will always keep that moment close to my heart.

>>5088030
>Still watching this liberal/crypto-kike faggot after he posted that neanderthals getting blacked quasi propaganda video

Holy cringe.

>>5089220
>neanderthals getting blacked quasi propaganda video
Huh?

>>5089205
>>5089185
details?

>>5089220
it is amazing how you faggots can somehow steer any sort of topic into schizo ramblings about black cuck fetishes.

>>5089246
Trey is a guy that pretended to be a paleontologist and was pretty much the face of the horrible "i fucking love science" phase paleontology had in the mid 2010's.
At some point real paleontologists got tired of his shit and published a paper detailing all the scale impressions on T. rex and its close relatives to get him to shut the fuck up.
At first Trey tries to cope and say they are wrong but it doesn't take long until he realizes his stance is indefensible so he stops making videos about dinosaurs entirely.

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>>5089246
For more context i recommend searching "Trey" on desuarchive. This anon put it very well

>>5088030
Is he? I've only seen like half a dozen of his videos but they seemed fine to me.
>>5088033
>Inconsistent and arcane criteria for his tier rankings
From what I can tell it's just:
>Packs good
>Uncontested food good
>Prone to parasites/predation from above bad
Dunno about the other three points because I haven't watched enough. I just think the videos I did watch were fine to good.

>>5089220
Are you talking about that weird “sexy Neanderthal” theory? Isn’t that the other way around - Neanderthals took human women, forcing some human men to get with Neanderthal women?

>>5088030
his criteria is stupid and gets boring fast
if anything an animal's "ranking" (success) should be based on how prolific they are

>>5089049
>>5089141
>>5089205
>>5089422
He has done nothing but promote learning about our natural world in an informative and entertaining way. The least you guys could be is thankful and for what it's worth you might want to try a different attitude. Petty doesn't suit you.

>>5089596
I don't know anything about tierzoo. I just know I spent several years on /an/ arguing about T. rex feathers with someone who either was Trey the Explainer, or who mirrored his every argument.

These conversations were collected and forwarded to a paleontologist who had published extensively on the topic, and in response he and other colleagues put together a paper on feathers in tyrannosaurids that not coincidentally rebutted every single argument presented on /an/ over those years.

some of this discussion appears in archives, though the archives don't go back far enough to cover all of it.

Whether that anon was actually Trey or not I don't know. I believe it was based on some things he said on his channel and his arguments being an exact mirror of Trey's talking points. If so, he should be honored as he is (as far as I know) the only youtuber to ever have a full team of scientists publish a paper specifically to counter his misinformation.

>>5089596
however despite all this
>>5089598
I don't dislike Trey. If it was him I debated on /an/ he was generally civil. He did reach out to one of the authors of the paper before it was published, but due to embargo he didn't get a useful response. When he decided that he had been mistaken he took down a couple of his videos and apologized for being wrong. Which I thought was quite decent of him. Though perhaps necessary given the public nature of his platform.

anyways, if that was Trey on /an/ I have no reason to hate him. I think he was mistaken about some stuff but he changed his opinion when confronted with PUBLISHED information. He didn't believe me when I told him the same information for years prior, but that's to be expected on 4chan. Why should anyone believe what I say, or anyone says here?

overall he seems a very decent guy. More honest than some here.

>>5088030
If his standards were even remotely consistent then I could at least appreciate the gimmick more even in the face of shoddy information from outdated documentaries or his own ass. Being hyper-specialized is bad and ranks you low, unless you're hyper-specialized to be a badass ultra predator. Unless you're a predator of fish, then that's lame. Unless you're a sea snake, then you're S tier. Intelligence is highly valued and is often the deciding factor in whether or not an animal gets a decent ranking, except when it isn't. Tortoises get a middling rank for being nigh indestructible yet dim witted herbivorous tanks, (even though turtles are reasonably intelligent by reptile standards) but sauropods get S tier for the same reason. If it was just about what animals would win in a fight, then fair enough, but it's this weird inconsistent mix of combat proficiency, general survivability, and nebulous cool factor that ultimately makes the "Tier" part of TierZoo utterly meaningless since what he's ranking can easily change within the span of a single list, let alone amongst his whole catalogue.

>>5089596
Fuck no i am not thankful for him ruining paleoart for 10 years. We are just now getting out of that awful unscientific phase

>>5089667
He ranked housecats high on int lel

>>5089252
>Trey is a guy that pretended to be a paleontologist and was pretty much the face of the horrible "i fucking love science" phase paleontology had in the mid 2010's.

Wait, is it this Trey?

https://www.youtube.com/c/TREYtheExplainer

>>5089737
that's the one

>>5089604
I sometimes wonder if he was malicious or just that retarded to think "you can't prove x therefore it is accurate!" is how science works

>>5089810
a bit of both I think
he had his opinion and he was emotionally attached to it. That emotion was probably some sort of anger. He certainly got angry when his opinion was challenged. So yeah, probably a bit malicious

but he also wasn't smart enough to understand stuff like statistical sampling and bootstrapping.
Someone that's taken statistics would understand how a single patch of scaled skin can give a near 90% certainty that the entire animal was scaled. Or that 13 patches of scaled skin make it pretty much impossible for feathers to have been present, even if the patches are tiny or large sections of skin are missing. Anyone doing science should automatically understand this. The odds of a random sample NOT being representative are tiny. The odds of 13 random samples not being representative are basically zero.

>>5089810
Assuming he was the guy I was debating on /an/, he also ignored information and citations that disagreed with him.

I recall I told him that The Dueling Dinos/Bloody Mary specimen had Tyrannosaurus skin preserved, and those patches numbers over a dozen from areas of the tail, hips, back, neck, face, and legs.
This was information that Larson had published in lecture, but there wasn't a citation online at the time for this. I told him to contact Larson and ask about it. He did contact Larson and asked about rex feathers, but didn't bother to ask about the skin from the Bloody Mary tyrannosaur. I brought it up repeatedly and he ignored it because he personally couldn't check the citation.

this indicates he wasn't arguing in good faith, in an attempt to learn anything. He didn't want to learn, in fact he got really pissed when he was forced to learn.

>>5088030
Because his gimmick is stale. The video format and trope got stale within a few videos. Now it's just cringe to hear this grown ass man talk about real animals as if they are video game characters, giving them stats and putting them on a list even though any animal is far more complex than these basic game mechanics. It's stale, boring, and inaccurate.

>>5089737
are the old T. Rex videos still up?

>>5089824
There's not even any jokes the majority of the time, it's just the most basic rundown possible of an animal with occasional mentions of other species as "builds" and video game hud elements over documentary clips, some of which aren't even relevant to the clip at hand. I watched the mollusk video and a part that stuck out to me was when the Kirby 64 hud was up on screen at one point, but it wasn't relevant and didn't do anything in relation to what the animal was doing in the clip. It's literally just there. It could have worked as a joke for the blue sea dragon where it collects the man o war's nematocysts as the spike ability, or the coconut octopus as the rock ability, but it's literally just a hud on a clip. I know he doesn't give a shit about actually learning about animals, but I have to wonder if he even gives a shit about video games either.

>>5089252
>>5089256
Careful with those opinions, you'll be called paleoschizo.

>>5089256
>>5089252
>>5089205
>>5089185
https://discourse.peacefulscience.org/t/no-feathers-in-the-best-t-rex-reconstruction/3328/5

>>5089141
>after the paleo community trashed his dinosaur video
It did?
I mean, the video was retarded, yammering about small brains being unsuitable for cooperative behaviour and in the same breath lauding sauropods for forming herds was amazing in an AI has better reflection on what it just wrote way (he also had a comparable goof when he lauded ants for being unsurmountably strong while showing a video of termites dabbing on ants), but I wasn't actually aware this had larger repercussions.

>>5088030
Always has been. I liked him back then. People collectively grew up and find the Youtubers that they like cringe (e.g. Moistcritikal, Oneyplays)

>rhinos in D tier
what the fuck is he ranking them based on?

>>5090152
About the mollusk video, the fact that he even put cephalopods in any rank below A tier is fucking insane. They're all extremely good at surviving.

>>5090157
I don't care

>>5090233
Most cephalopods are low-to-middle on the food chain and have very short lifespans.

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What do YOU think the tier list should be based on? Should it be biomass, or the amount of resources the "guild" controls? Or just based on combat ability?
if it's the former then krill could be your number 1, and humans would shitstomp the latter

>>5090468
I would say it should be their ability to fuck more than they die

>>5088679
You whore!

>>5090283
That's squids though. Octopuses have high intelligence and insane camouflage, can make shelters and use tools, etc. And yet he put some octopuses in tiers below S.

It's just too formulaic at this point, I don't understand how people subscribe to watch the same joke over and over. Even worse is that the viewership inflated his ego and he thinks his youtube poop tier videos are serious business

>>5090589
Apparently he won an award for "learning and education" a couple years ago so that might have had something to do with the ego boost.

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No need to get mad at any sciencetuber, a fucking coin toss is more often right than any scientist.

>>5090560
should we be punishing r selection that much even when 1 dude can have like thousands of children

I think getting mad at him is a sign of your inflated ego

>>5088030
Unchecked ego.
He’s been going after actual scientists nowadays when they disagree with him, usually sending his army of 14 year olds after them in the process.
He claims to want to be educational and learn himself, but he freaks the fuck out when people correct basic information he gets wrong.

>>5090468
It depends on what kind of meme you want to push.
>pure MMO larp
Yeah, it would be something like biomass or "plans", but I'd base it less on WoW and more on something like Eve Online. It would be funny to have the plankton guild actual run the biosphere economy while Humans think they're the ones pulling the strings in the livestock guilds.
>actual survival larp
It'd be difficult because most things would be C or above. The reality is that only hyper specialized animals like pandas which are barely able to survive on their own are D or F tier, and generalists would win S tier every time because those are the ones that actually survive extinctions. Megafauna tend to be an evolutionary dead end.

>>5090989
how would you want a survival larp tier list to be done? would it be how long the group has been successful for? so, jellyfish at the top?

>>5090987
>basic information he gets wrong
In his ice age video, tierzoo seems to not know about short-faced bears/think they're cave bears. He talked about cave bears being able to easily steal kills from dire wolves and saber-toothed tigers, even though those lived in the Americas while cave bears lived in Eurasia, while showing footage of a short-faced bear attacking dire wolves.

>>5091245
I think you'd do it for "can they survive a mass extinction". Length of survival is ridiculous, just because jellyfish evolved earliest doesn't make them "better" (although it is a generally good survival strategy).

>>5089667
>what he's ranking can easily change within the span of a single list
This. He seems to intentionally subvert expectations and not put the obvious choice in the top tier a lot. Like putting jaguars over lions and tigers or black bears over polar and brown bears. I remember the bird tier list where he placed eagles in A tier and secretary birds in S tier despite the latter basically being a less well armed eagle that’s worse at flying and can’t hunt large prey. Literally the only thing I can think of is he likes secretary birds and didn’t want to put eagles at the top because that would be too predictable

>>5089596
>He has done nothing but promote learning about our natural world in an informative and entertaining way
Yet he had a meltdown online about documentaries using scientific names and when people called him out on the hypocrisy of his take, he resorted to namecalling because he just can't stand being told he's wrong, which is the opposite of what someone who wants to make edutainment should do.

>>5090200
He didn't liked them. It seems that there is a higher correlation about animal popularity among the public to its classification than any actual survival ability hierarchy.

>>5091673
He said ceratosaurus means “serrated lizard”. I don’t know why an “educational” youtuber can’t just google something so basic and well known.
>Tierzoo is so educational!
>he gets very base level facts wrong all the time
>Who said he’s educational! It’s just entertainment stop taking it seriously!
All in the same conversation.

>>5089667
he also put cassowaries in F tier

>>5091834
yeah but why does he not like them tho, aren't they big and epic like elephants and hippos, which he gave S tier

>>5092076
He believes the myth about them being nearly blind and just forgot about them being nearly immune to predation as adults

What causes this worship of ecelebs we’ve been seeing a lot over the last few years? Tierzoo fans do crazy mental gymnastics to defend him.

>>5092267
People don't read primary sources anymore, and rely on middlemen to do it for them. Ecelebs are part of this ecosystem.

>>5092267
Ipad kids who received no attention from their parents

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>>5092233
if you're just judging species by how well they can defend their offspring then wouldn't all insects be bottom tier

>>5092332
Not true, some insects do take the effort to hide eggs or protect them. Like Tarantula Wasps do a pretty good job.
But, at the same time, r selection is completely viable. Most animals just throw their offspring into the wind and assume that predators can't eat everything.

>>5092267
People have a need for idols, e-celebs seem to fill that, and as other anons have pointed out, nowadays parents are no longer as involved with the education of their children, leaving them to be entertained and raised by social media.

>>5092332
>if you're just judging species by how well they can defend their offspring
Nobody said this

>>5088030
Is that channel still a thing? I thought his first couple videos were funny but the gimmick must be getting old at this point

>>5092349
it seemed like the main focus of the weaknesses section of his rhino video

>>5092380
Didn’t watch it and don’t plan to

>>5092391
why are you trying to argue about it, then?

>>5092879
Nobody is arguing

>>5088030
TierZoo is based and reads /an/ all the time for tips

>>5093818
That explains why he gets so much wrong

Seems the universal experience (for people whose mouths don't open when they have their photo taken) is you find the first video you see pretty great, but then only two or 3 videos max are enjoyable before the gimmick gets painfully stale and you dread the thought of having to ever sit through any more of it.

He does a good job finding footage of animals fighting Ill give him that.

>>5094641
Pretty much this

>>5094641
>(for people whose mouths don't open when they have their photo taken)

You don't smile for the camera?

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>>5095010
There's a big difference between smiling and having a gaping mouth

>>5095014
Its an ancient jewish tradition, chud
https://www.timesofisrael.com/eerie-neolithic-masks-to-make-israel-museum-debut/

>>5095016
kek

>>5094641
My experience was he talked about subjects I actually have knowledge in and it was very evident he didn’t do any sort of research.

>>5095845
such as?

Didn't tierzoo fall for some jurassic park tier scam about bringing back dinosaurs?

>>5097385
I've been trying to being back dinosaurs for the last 5 months but I've only got a budget of £500 so I've not made much progress

>>5088030
He's not. I actually like his videos.
Are they accurate or particularly deep scientifically? Very much not, but it's better than most Youtube slop content.

>>5097347
His paleontology videos were fucking disgustingly poorly researched. He got things wrong that a quick google search would correct and said that hadrosaurs and sauropods would be easy pickings for tigers.

>>5097607
>sauropods would be easy pickings for tigers

lmao, no way

>>5097607
He had Trey the Explainer as a consultant for the paleontology videos so it's easy to see why they are so ass

>>5090569

Squids are cephalopods tho.

>>5088030
He is to bitch boys like yourself

>>5098924
>yeah bro jaguars would leap on them from trees bro
Not joking btw
>>5098943
He bragged on twitter about doing no research and proceeded to delete it when he was called out. It was like he was expecting praise for it.

The dude wants to be educational but won’t do the bare minimum and freaks the fuck out whenever he gets something wrong and people call him on it. His parasocial zoomer fans don’t help with his delusions of grandeur.

>Hes so educational! Hes doing a good thing why is anyone upset?
>because stating falsehoods isn’t educational.
>Um, it’s just entertainment bro!
Why are Tierzoo fans like this?

>>5095014
What actually started this trend of behavior?

>>5092267
Convenience killed culture.
This is merely the residue that oozed out of the resulting corpse.

>>5099922
the Beyond Burger meme

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>>5088030
its a problem

>>5100371
Everything he's saying is right though

>>5100371
You could make a paleontology version with just Tierzoo quotes

How do we break tierzoo’s grip on the parasocial zoomers?

>>5100870
Do we have to? i don't care about what zoomers fry their brains with.

>>5101009
They annoy everyone else so yes.

>>5100371
to be fair the reason bees kill more people is in no small part because there's a lot more interactions with bees since they're domesticated

cows kill more people a year than bison, but your average cow is way safer to approach than your average bison, there's just a million interactions with a cow for every 1 interaction with a bison

>>5097607
I really never got why anyone would look at sauropods and try to put anything up against adults
When the drastically easier thing to argue would be that sauropod young would be vulnerable to predation and work from that point onwards to see if the presence of tigers or jaguars would put too much a strain on sauropod young

which is not an unreasonable thing to try and argue mind you, just incredibly silly to go "bro a tiger could totally kill an adult"

>>5088030
>why is he so insufferable??
You're a zoomer know-it-all, and you're jealous of him because he's an eceleb and you're not.
The emotion you're feeling is called being butthurt and jealous.

>>5101442
I just got a flashback to the pewdiepie bro army of 9 year olds

>>5101442
this

>>5101442
>watches tierzoo
>Calls other people zoomers
Come on dude

>>5102489
>>5104428
I wasn't praising TierZoo, I was saying that getting mad about TierZoo makes you look like an asshurt zoomer loser. And I was right.
Why WOULD a person think TierZoo is insufferable? Me personally, I don't really care about TierZoo at all.
You know why?
Because I'm not a jealous zoomer like you are. When people get mad about eceleb garbage, it's always, always a jealous zoomer trying to tear someone else down out of sour grapes.
That's all you're doing.
If you wanted to be some /an/ celebrity, maybe you should make your own videos instead of rocking back and forth in hatred of people who are better and more motivated than you are.
Me, personally, I think there's enough room for everyone to make whatever content they want. A zoomer being popular doesn't hurt me at all, it doesn't piss me off at all, because I'm not a, jealous, angsty dickhead with sour grapes.
Food for thought.

>>5104431
>I would never
>It doesn’t bother me at all
>Me personally
>I don’t even pay attention
>You’d never catch me like this
>Yeah, I’m that guy
How do you not realise this is pathetic attention seeking behaviour. You somehow managed to post the most embarrassing thing in a thread of people bitching about a youtuber

>>5104452
Alright.
Well, enjoy your impotent rage!
Maybe if you keep screaming like a retard it'll make you feel better? I don't need to talk to you, though.

>>5104455
>you’re all screaming and mad
>not like me, I’m above this discussion that I’m actively engaging in
Do you usually embarrass yourself like this or are you just extra deluded today?

>>5104452
Your first mistake was thinking an insufferable person would recognise insufferable behavior

>>5104431
Secondhand embarassment reading this dogshit post.

>>5104431
Faggot

Imagine if it’s Tierzoo. He’s got an ego and responds to criticism just like this. I don’t think it’s him but it would be funny.

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>>5088053
TierZoo promoted the vax and supported a Discord server that abused animals and posted all sorts of animal abuse content, this stuff can be found everywhere, even ResetEra (gross I know).

>>5105336
Of course, why wouldn't he?

>>5105336
>TierZoo promoted the vax
so?

>>5107038
Read the rest of the post

>>5100371
Would pandas actually die without us? Where'd that come from

>>5107260
No they actually do well when their habitat isn't being cut down

>>5089252
>>5089256
>grievance politics
yawn

>>5107260
>>5107427
A thousand years ago they'd be fine, at this point though enough of their habitat has been so thoroughly fucked that they'd absolutely go extinct without human intervention, not to mention the growing impact of climate change.

>>5107436
Yeah that's what i'm saying. Thet are endangered because of humans, they would do fine if we didn't exist. But people act like they are completely incapable of surviving because they are useless creatures. I guess that is a side effect of people lacking nuance.

>>5107260
he's wrong about koalas too

>>5088111
based thread hidden

>>5104431
Holy Reddit

>>5107437
Pandas aren't endangered

>>5088111
tpbp

>>5105336
>TierZoo promoted the vax and supported a Discord server that abused animals and posted all sorts of animal abuse content, this stuff can be found everywhere, even ResetEra (gross I know).

Which group was this? I can only find stuff related to the Horner chickenosaurus project

>>5088111
I remember this copypasta. Pretty efficient

Is he going to melt down again because unnatural history tore him to shreds?

>>5100374
you're retarded if you think megalodons aren't extinct.

>>5100371
Most of these are normalfag beliefs though, especially the wasp and mosquito ones.
Also stop drawing ugly things on purpose.

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>>5110169
Speaking of that video I am surprised he didn't mention monster bug wars. That series probably had a bigger influence on American animal documentaries than animal face off, I am pretty sure that green text he posted was referencing monster bug wars which is 100% guilty of everything he hates.

>>5110175
Megalodon is just bigfoot for Sharkfags.

>>5110169
Unnatural hirtory's video was pretty brutal. Specially because it had no personal attacks, he just called his content trash

>>5111136
I just watched it after reading this, I now think tier zoo should actually kill himself

>>5111365
kek

>>5111136
It’s actually the best way to tear someone down. Don’t even insult them at all. Just point out everything they do wrong in a matter of fact manner. That way they can’t just dismiss it as bullying. And it hurts way more because they know it’s true.
If someone just calls me a retarded nigger faggot or whatever I don’t really care, if someone were to pick apart every flaw of mine it would be devastating because it’s actually true.

>>5105336
Its not animal abuse if you’re trying to make dinosaurs real for the first time in history, bro.

>>5111699
I’m gonna squeeze your balls while I say this bro…

>>5088111
Tpbp and nice trips dude

>>5110243
Megalodon actually existed at some point, Bigfoot didn't

>>5111365
what is going on here?

>>5088675
Smash (melee/brawl/ultimate), Pokémon, what else? Most of his stuff’s from smash or related to smash.

>>5115432
Overwatch UI shows up all the damn time. I'll be honest, it kind of feels like he's a midwit at best in regards to both video game and animal knowledge and just sort of covers extremely popular basics on all fronts to hit that 100 iq mark right on the money.

>>5115419
I assume it's meant to be unnatural history dunking on tierzoo

>>5115432
Smash
Pokemon
Runescape
Overwatch
Bayonetta
Then there's a few he only uses for sound effects

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>>5100371
>>5088030
>is an actually good Zoologist youtuber in your path

>>5089598
>google "Trey the Explainer"
>get some photos of a twink posing in underwear like some onlyfans whore
Huh?

>>5116604
>extremely Mormon
>pro-evolution

Based

>>5116732
he strikes me as a Ken Jennings type of Mormon, same exact vibes

>>5088030
>slaps in millineial gamer quirk chungus meme edits every frame
was cute the first few times, got repetitive and stale afterwards.

>>5088030
is he down to releasing one video every six months or so?

>>5092338
>be me
>learn about r/K selection
>think about my parents
>lots of kids, skimped on food and extracurriculars even though they weren't poor
>realize I was r selected
mormons am I right

>>5118217 (me)
>read the rest of the thread
>we're already talking about mormons
what the

>>5116698
That sums it up pretty well

>>5089184
To the average layman with no actual knowledge on the subject Trey appears to be incredibly informed, it's only when you have an above surface level understanding of the subject that you see him for what he is: a retarded dipshit parroting what he hears online without actually understanding it

>>5115419
Tigrex from the Monster Hunter series slam dunking on Tierzoo, for some reason

>>5119198
Trey is an expert on the Bible and religion

>fishonastick is tearing teirzoo vids apart as well

>>5119198
The native bigfoot video was pretty good

I am still mad that he put herons as a mid-tier bird, they should be S tier

>>5089252
>>5089256
i argued about him about creationism when i was 12. guess i won. ok im not a creationist but at least he got btfo

>>5105336
anti scientific bootlickers like this are why we dont have more superviruses or homemade nuclear reactors...
but honestly could they have really been doing worse than factory farming?

>>5119362
link?

>>5119972
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AD6Jzttg70

>>5120011
>the comments where he’s informed about other even worse vids of tierzoo’s

>>5110169
>>5111136
Fuck Tierzoo but I feel like that video was pretty terrible, Tierzoo thrashing aside. It's absolutely possible to make a video or show or whatever about how strong, cool, etc an animal is while also supplying actual information, explaining why the animal has the abilities it does and what role that plays in its ecology, Most Extreme actually did a fair job of that by Animal Planet standards despite his criticism of it. The fact that the majority of content in the "sensationalist" vein is low-effort slop that doesn't even attempt to be accurate is irrelevant, and it's not as though the "calmer" style of content is any less prone to slop. It really comes off like he's just whining about his personal style preference more than anything.

>>5120055
>it's not as though the "calmer" style of content is any less prone to slop
Case in point, Unnatural History's videos are also shit

>>5120055
cope, sounds like he nailed you good

>>5120055
>It's absolutely possible to make a video or show or whatever about how strong, cool, etc an animal is while also supplying actual information
Yeah, but jerking off over their stats in a hypothetical one-on-one Mortal Kombat match is lame and misunderstands how species interact with each other

>>5121149
>misunderstands how species interact with each other
Of course it does, but why does that matter? It's just a thought experiment and thought experiments can very much be used as a teaching tool. The problem with things like Animal Face-off or Tierzoo is that the information they supply is dogshit, not that the concept itself is bad. Something like "Gorilla vs Leopard" might sound puerile but it can also absolutely be used as a segue into discussing the ecology and evolution of those animals in interesting ways rather than making shit up about gorillas doing martial arts. As I said Most Extreme is a fairly good if dated example of how this can be done.

I wonder if fields like chemistry and engineering also have pedants arguing about how NileRed or the Mythbusters are bad for "sensationalizing" their subject matter or if this is just a problem with zoology fans.

>>5120055
He criticizes "his personal style preference" when he talks about RealScience in the video.

>>5121162
If someone claims to be educational (as Tierzoo does) they shouldn’t purposefully put out inaccurate information.

>>5121162
>zoology fans.
They're called zoophiles

>>5121519
When did I say otherwise?

>>5120011
damn TierZoo is getting BTFO lately

>>5120011
who is FishStickOnaStick?

>>5122318
Former tf2 channel that recently swapped to being an animal channel

>>5107038
>>5093818
Go bootlick E-celeb somewhere else

>>5105336
De-extinction fags for prehistoric animals are the worst

>>5120011
This guy is based and i'm pretty sure he browses this board considering some of the jokes he makes

>>5088030
he's one of the best animal Youtubers ever

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Wake up babe
Its autisim time

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>>5123349
>Tapirs
>F
What a dumb faggot

>>5123349
>manatees in f tier
>big chill guys with no natural predators
>sharks, caimans, crocodiles, and alligators don't bother them, but he just says they do
>only threat is retarded floridians speedboating
>rhinos STILL in d tier for the same wrong reasons that they're stupid and can't see, but the similarly sized hippo is s tier, and horses are b tier even though they're even less perceptive than rhinos and easily spooked by literally nothing
>bats, the most prolific and specious of all mammals, in c tier, while shrews who similarly specialize in eating insects and die in one hit or from not eating for 5 minutes get b tier
>oppossums in d tier for being retarded marsupials, but kangaroos get in b tier
>rabbits in c tier but rodents in a tier because they breed so frequently, something so defining for rabbits it's a common idiom
>tapirs in f tier below every other ungulate
>says mammals generally have shorter lifespans than reptiles and uses a dog and tortoise as the example, completely discounting orcas (80+ years) and bowhead whales (200+ years)
>says that platypus has electro-sensory abilities and then immediately docks points for not being able to see underwater

does this fucker have any consistent standards

>>5123349
is this a new video?

>>5123349
>>5123391
this is somehow even more retarded than his previous lists

>>5123349
hardly any of these rankings make sense

>>5123349
if you ask his fanboys, they'll tell you that ranks animals by how likely you would be able to complete a playthrough as them, but TierZoo constantly ignores the very high mortality rates among large apex predators (big cats, bears, wolves, even orcas) while they're young, with only a minority making it to adulthood.

>>5123349
Link to his latest retarded video:

>>5123774
>>5123349
Oops

Here's the link to his latest retarded video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UXmUJZIH7c

>>5123775
>>5123349
It'd be one thing if TierZoo conceded that his content is just entertainment and not to be taken seriously, but he's revealed over the last year that he's not content with that. He wants to be seen as a serious biologist/zoologist, but then when his content gets criticized for not being scientifically rigorous, his fanboys fall back on the "it's just a joke, bro!" excuse.

>>5100371
>sharks are heckin innocent sea puppers, and dolphins are evil rapist monsters
All true.

>>5123363
>>5123391
He says tapirs are some of his favorites but he can't find reasons to put them above F tier
>rhinos STILL in d tier for the same wrong reasons that they're stupid and can't see, but the similarly sized hippo is s tier, and horses are b tier even though they're even less perceptive than rhinos and easily spooked by literally nothing
Domesticated good
Undomesticated bad
>completely discounting orcas (80+ years) and bowhead whales (200+ years)
Those are the outliers

>>5115432
>>5116503
You guys forgot FromSoft, he uses that a lot too

>>5123806
He wants to be taken seriously but melts down if criticized by actual biologists and zoologists. He won’t get better if he doesn’t actually take it seriously.

>>5123996
exactly, he's a fraud and a thin-skinned pussy

>>5123775
all that time and he still uses recycled footage from his old videos

>>5123775
>>5123349
Not watching this video. What's his rationale for putting bats in C tier? Flight is one of the most OP skills you can have and bats are the only mammals with natural access to it. Gliding like a squirrel doesn't count.

>>5123775
>>5123391
>cats have a bite force that is “fairly mid for an apex predator”
>the only predators kangaroos have to worry about are dingoes
>walruses and leopard seals are outliers in terms of power
Aside from what’s already been mentioned these were the main inaccuracies that stood out to me

>>5123391
>says that platypus has electro-sensory abilities and then immediately docks points for not being able to see underwater
This one was especially retarded since they have basically no aquatic predators to worry about not being able to see

>>5123775
>>5123349
>hippos are S-tier but rhinos are D-tier

makes no sense

>>5123775
>>5123349
>giraffes and pigs A tier but bovids are B tier

What?

>>5123349
>>5123349
shrew bros...

>>5124259
>cats have a bite force that is “fairly mid for an apex predator”
This one was really strange. A cat’s bite force relative to body size is about twice as strong as a bear’s and similar to if not slightly higher than most canids or even hyenas

What I hate the most is Tierzoo and his fans will do this thing where they claim he’s incredibly educational, but the moment people start pointing out glaring inaccuracies it becomes “it’s just entertainment it means nothing!”

And most of the time they don’t even bother to log into an alt so it’s the same person posting two things that are polar opposites within a few minutes of each other in the same conversation.

>>5124384
a hippo will spot you from the other side of the river and be on you before you even realize what is even going on. rhinos are basically giant pussies with bad eyesight and only get violent if pestered.

>>5124471
Does anyone know if what this anon said is true? because it doesn't sound true at all. Specially when factoring in hyenas which are smaller than the biggest cats but have a stronger bite

>>5124482
I think the case there is that they are straight up below 80 IQ people. I've noticed people which belong to groups with average IQs that fall around that line tend to completely forget what anyone (including themselves) said five messages ago.

>>5124307
What about crocs

>>5124515
their ranges don't overlap

>>5124498
>hyenas which are smaller than the biggest cats but have a stronger bite
They don’t. 99% of bite force stats you see on the internet are bullshit. This paper is a good reference
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1564077/

>>5124515
They rarely interact. Birds of prey are the biggest threat other than invasive predators

>>5123391
>says mammals generally have shorter lifespans than reptiles and uses a dog and tortoise as the example, completely discounting orcas (80+ years) and bowhead whales (200+ years)
Reptiles do tend to live longer than mammals, it's just that bigger animals also tend to live longer than smaller ones which complicates things a bit, but if you compare between size categories the difference is obvious. Small mammals are lucky to live more than 2 years whereas small lizards and snakes can easily live for decades and some birds for nearly a century. At middle sizes you start to get mammals like dogs that can maybe make it two decades while reptiles are nearing or surpassing a century.
We just don't have any truly massive reptiles around anymore to compare to whales but going off the trend it's certainly possible that e.g. mosasaurs would've lived twice as long as even them.

>>5124259
>the only predators kangaroos have to worry about are dingoes
How is this inaccurate? I guess there are crocodiles but only at the far north of Australia which is at the far end of most species' ranges.

>>5123775
>>5123349
If he's ranking "builds" (families) then Mustelids and Rodents and Bats should be S-tier since these are the most adaptable mammal builds with access to the widest range of habitats and biomes. Primates too though that's mostly because of humans. Probably bovids as well (goats/caprines should not be in their category).

>>5124249
He shows footage of them being caught by birds and shit

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>>5124803
Oh snap, I guess lions and other felids don't belong in A-tier then

>>5124711
I've heard claims of pythons eating kangaroos but i don't know how true that is

>>5124571
You must excuse my retardation but what is the number I'm supposed to be looking at here?

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>>5124711
Wedge tailed eagles hunt them semi frequently. Prior to the introduction of pigs and water buffalo they were the main prey for saltwater crocs. Large pythons also eat them on occasion

>>5124823
Tiger:
>186.9 kg (body weight)
>1525 N (bite force at canines)
>127 BFQ (bite force quotient)
Lion:
>294.6 kg
>1768 N
>112 BFQ
Jaguar:
>83.2 kg
>1014 N
>137 BFQ
Grey wolf:
>34.7 kg
>593 N
>136 BFQ
Dhole:
>16.5 kg
>314 N
>112 BFQ
African wild dog:
>18.9 kg
>428 N
>142 BFQ
Brown bear:
>128.8 kg
>751 N
>78 BFQ
Spotted hyena:
>69.1 kg
>773 N
>117 BFQ
Brown hyena:
>40.8 kg
>545 N
>113 BFQ
It only uses a sample size of one for each species so these aren’t the maximum bite forces possible, but it gives a rough idea. Also this is canine bite force, molar/carnassial bite force is significantly higher

>>5124837
Holy shit that was a fat fucking lion they used

>>5124827
that kangaroos looks like it could take the eagle if it bothered to turn around and fight

>>5125115
They do. It takes the eagles way longer to take down a kangaroo compared to something like a goat because they have to avoid being grabbed. Usually they take swipes at the back/nape until it dies from blood loss or they sever the spinal cord
https://youtu.be/xElYBEpHiu4?si=zklf1qa_aUeqOzOP

>>5123775
>>5123349
>rhinos d-tier
>lions a-tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyNdpxgQgp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_JeoIIB64

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSeUF5hJ0vU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snoKuQtRe4A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fbwIqxnKgg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSxzgcLVcK4

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/v_k9Bv1H1Zk

This rhino is stuck in mud and STILL fends off the lions LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPTZ714Dd54

>>5125414
See this is where him having no standards becomes a problem.
If his standards are "who would win in a fight" then the rhino should absolutely be higher.
If the standards are "who is better at surviving on their own" then they should be about equal.
If the standard is "who is better at surviving in the modern era" then the lion should be higher.
With this specific example we could assume the standard is the third one but it is not consistent in other cases.

>>5088033
Sounds like that E.D.G.E. guy

>>5125432
is he still 1:1 plagiarizing?

>>5125543
I don't know, I stopped watching his videos after the t rex one

>>5125432
God i hate that guy. He's so whiny

>>5123391
>manatees in f tier
This alone encapsulates the problem with his channel. An animal with little predation, low risks for obtaining its food, and basically no trouble except humans, is not glamorous enough for anything more than f tier according to him. Had it been a small mole, maybe, but even moles are admirable. Instead it’s one of the aquatic mammals, a fairly large one that passes as megafauna and is related to elephants…

>>5125415
>If the standard is "who is better at surviving in the modern era" then the lion should be higher
>>5125415

Rhinos would do fine, or at least no worse than other megafauna like elephants or lions, if retarded humans didn't poach them for their horns.

>>5125618
Yeah that is why they do not do as good in the modern age as lions

>>5125727
Lions have also had their range drastically reduced as result of human hunting and development. Lions have completely disappeared from Europe and North Africa as well as their entire range in Asia except for a small patch of India.

>>5123775
Lame, he's gotten dumber and recycling material

>>5123775
Sidenote but wtf is that thumbnail? Did he realize people could see his rankings of the original thumbnail so just slapped on a blurry screenshot?

>>5125841
Which still means they are doing better than rhinos. Lets be honest, rhinos aren't making it to 2100

>>5126607
And you are?

>>5110169
>again
What happened previously? Haven't kept up with Tierzoo in years. He seriously has meltdowns when people call him out?

>>5126741
Multiple times. Including but not limited to actual zoologists and biologists criticizing him. He straight up called actual accepted science “headcanon” because it went against his video. And of course his fans clapped like seals.

He’s the frustrating type of person who wants to be seen as important and great, but doesn’t want to put the legwork in and cries when people point that out.

No joke several prominent science communicators I follow hate his guts because of his behavior.

>>5126523
>>5123775
Yeah, the original thumbnail was the same as this pic: >>5123349

>>5126794
>No joke several prominent science communicators I follow hate his guts because of his behavior

Which ones?

>>5126794
>Including but not limited to actual zoologists and biologists criticizing him. He straight up called actual accepted science “headcanon” because it went against his video. And of course his fans clapped like seals.
His fanboys are embarrassing.

Why do y'all not like Tierzoo? He has way more experience and an education in this sort of field. I thought his latest video was accurate and on point. I would've preferred if it was placentals on top then the marsupials and montremes below them due to placentals being the superior form of mammals.

>>5127620
Bait

>>5088030
TierZoo's non-animal related takes are somehow worse. I just saw him post that the economy is doing great and pessimism will be seen as cringe in a few years.

He's also still not taking criticism well.

>>5089220
I can tell this poster is an ameritard

>>5128593
Did he lash out again?

>>5128593
What a genuine schizo

>>5129215
He went back to insisting that his channel is just "for entertainment" and people are taking him way too seriously

>>5129687
entertainment doesn't have to be braindead. this is the most annoying defense possible

>>5128866
You waited 4 months to reply with that?

>>5129687
Which is why he flaunts his “educational value” every other day?

If he ranked animal groups based on consistent, objective criteria, would his videos be better or is the concept of ranking animals against each other just inherently flawed?

>>5088030
>masturbation is le bad
why did he feel the need to point out that he doesnt do it? fucking weirdo

>>5129994
it can be interesting if there are consistent criteria laid out, like which "builds" have adapted to the widest variety of habitats/biomes/niches. TierZoo doesn't do this though.

>>5129999
he did? where?

>>5129999
Him feeling the need to say that is how you know he cranks it 7 times a day