It is this time of the year to ask once againWhy is it still the best dino documentary for the last 27 years? What causes it to be so unique?
>>5107623More like Walking the Dinosaurs cause they gotta go potty
>>5107623It had soul. They put a lot of effort to make the environments feel unique and otherworldly even tho they were shot in real places. An example of not doing this well in my opinion is PP. A lot of places feel like the forest that is next to your house.
>>5107626Oh also the music is of course unmatched
There's a lot that makes it great but something I mentioned in thread about Spielberg's paleodoc is that walking with dinosaurs is really tragic and brutal. Despite being a documentary the storytelling is amazing and it feels real because it doesn't pull it's punches. It doesn't pander to it's audience, it's uncomfortable to watch. Modern nature documentary's are afraid to alienate their audience like this. Nature docs are designed to be family friendly, with children as their core demographic. Even though we probably watched walking with as kids, it's incredibly bloody and violent, it's shocking which makes it an incredibly memorable watch.I think they did a really good job with the dialogue too, it never feels like you are being babied with the most laborious patronising dialogue we've come to expect in other paleodocs. It was made with respect for it's audience and treats you as an intellectual.
>>5107623That's easy. Because every TV show about dinosaurs made in the last 20 years is focused on spreading disinformation.
>>5107649I find it rather telling that a movie for children released on the year 2000 had a more brutal and crude theropod hunt than any modern documentary. Nowdays they would never let you see the moment the teeth pierce the flesh
>>5107623It's muppet-tier garbage but because you have the mind of a child you think it's greatyou are retarded. Normal people think of you the same way you would think of a child watching Barny the Dinosaur
>>5107690You need to be 18 or older to post on this site
>>5107693can you imagine if they had a competency test to post here? Like make it so you have to have the mind of a normal adult to post?all of you literal tards would be gone in an instant.
>>5107701The captcha basically an IQ test was a good start but i think it should ban you for a month if you fail it once
>>5107678Why do you trannies keep saying this in every single thread about a TV show about dinosaurs? Oh no it's woke because there aren't enough theropods tearing animals apart. Fucking grow up. Maybe if you washed your penis you wouldn't have to chop it off.>>5107701The captcha should just be one question: can girls have penises? If you answer wrong cops come to your house and blow your fucking brains out.
>>5107732>W-why do you complain about modern documentaries being sanitizedBecause they are.Also trannies seem to be living rent free in your head. You don't have to be thinking about them 24/7 to know they are subhuman fags
>>5107623I give it a 1/10 without watching it because no feathers. Nuff said.
>>5107732>Oh no it's woke because there aren't enough theropods tearing animals apartthis but unironicallydinosaurs should be scary
>>5107735>>5107741Stop being an edgy fag and grow the hell up already. You're too old for this shit.
>>5107623>Focused on one environment for the full 30 minutes>Followed individual animals but didn't give them names or anthropomorphize them>Generally filmed like a documentary>That fucking score>Very dark in a realistic and matter-of-fact way without being gratuitous or melodramatic
>>5107752Don't bait nigger
>>5107623In my opinion they weren't afraid of being quite dark, like the cynodonts eating their own young or the Postosuchus scene. All documentaries after that have fairly tame deaths, unless Hatzegopteryx is involved
>>5107678Also i love how the "censoring" in this scene (the dust cloud) actually adds to the impact and force of the attack instead of being something stupid like the kill conveniently happening behind a bush
I'm not a contrarian Prehistoric Planet hater, I thought it was pretty good and enjoyed it a lot. But Walking with Dinosaurs is not JUST a great dinosaur documentary, its not JUST realistic and informative, it a masterpiece of nonhuman storytelling, the most engaging stories about simple animals ever told. The framing, cinematography, the writing, narration, soundtrack, its all absolutely fucking stellar. The animals and their lives are incredibly sympathetic and engaging while still being realistic and showing the brutality of nature, the environments feel authentic and immersive, and once again, that soundtrack manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHteEpClXYw&t=169shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj9qCA91NqAShow could really use a remaster/rerelease
>>5107844That battle of the salt plains is one of the best hunts ever put in a documentary. It shows how difficult of a task taking down a sauropod really is. They need a shit ton of Allosaurus isolating the weakest one and harass it until it is so tired it can't fight back. However despite showing how overwhelmingly difficult this is, they DO take down the Diplodocus, showing that even the biggest and mightiest creature can fall, going against the current mentality that herbivores were invincible and would fight their predators in epic death battles every single time
>>5107646Pretty much
>>5107845>going against the current mentality that herbivores were invincible and would fight their predators in epic death battles every single timeI really don't understand this, yeah its annoying when herbivores are portrayed as defenseless walking steaks, but going to the opposite extreme isn't any better. It's like an ironic repetition of all the insufferable Giga vs Rex vs Spino flame wars that were commonplace two decades ago. Only worse because it's trying to be pushed as actual facts instead of retarded for fun theoretical.
>>5107893>It's like an ironic repetition of all the insufferable Giga vs Rex vs Spino flame wars that were commonplace two decades ago.You've been arguing with retards about dinosaurs for longer than 20 years?
>>5107895>You've been arguing with retards about dinosaurs for longer than 20 years?No, but if you looked at anything dinosaur related on the web there would almost always be some retarded Vs. debate attached to a related forum or comments section.
>>5107897Ah yes the notorious comments sections of AOL and Ask Jeeves
>>5107893I think one thing a lot of people forget/dont know is just how fucking big Edmontosaurus and Hadrosaurs were the average, the largest Hadrosaurs were around the same mass as an Apatosaurus. and the average annectens, the smallest species of Edmontosaurus is about the same size as rex. And the largest reaching 15m long and 17 tons. bigger than any known Tyrannosaurus.
>>5107893People are incapable of being reasonable and always have to go to the other extreme. Two examples i can think of are:1: Oviraptor used to be portrayed as an egg thief because a fossil was misinterpreted, so now showing it eating eggs is hecking inaccurate even to it obviously did from time to time2: It used to be a meme that Smilodon made terror birds go extinct, so now terror birds have to win 10/10 times against Smilodon. If you show the Smilodon winning in a fight it is hecking inaccurate regardless of the context, even tho it obviously happened from time to time.If anyone can think of other examples please share them
>>5107900I can tell you were not even alive when Jurassic Park 3 released
>>5107901>I think one thing a lot of people forget/dont know is just how fucking big Edmontosaurus and Hadrosaurs were the average, the largest Hadrosaurs were around the same mass as an Apatosaurus. and the average annectens, the smallest species of Edmontosaurus is about the same size as rex. And the largest reaching 15m long and 17 tons. bigger than any known Tyrannosaurus.I would say this gets overstated now more than anything. Hadrosaurs reaching sauropod sizes is old news we've known since Shantungosaurus was discovered. Even superadult Edmontosaurs are something that's been known for years by now. Yet somehow we've gone from "Superadult Edmontosaurs were likely immune to predation due to their exceptional size." to "Rex would never even dare to hunt an average adult Edmontosaur because a predator hunting a similar or even slightly larger prey animal is unheard of and doesn't make sense from a risk taking perspective."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_h7OrsurU
>>5107957>because a predator hunting a similar or even slightly larger prey animal is unheard of and doesn't make sense from a risk taking perspective.Ah yes my favorite type of argument from paleofags. The ones that show they know nothing about animalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMv9TtEjVRghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKWq-WQb0nwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxx3cL_vifA
>>5107845Dinosaurs being portrayed as le hecking movie monsters instead of real animals was only really a thing in shitty late 2000's early 2010's documentaries. Even fucking Jurassic Park had very realistic behaviors. My favorite example is this scene:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hjB6UJ2kMUI love how the initial ambush fails and the gallimimus the T. rex was going for escapes, but during the commotion one trips and she takes the opportunity to catch that one instead.
This thread once again testifies to the eternal truth that anyone that likes theropods is a mentally ill tranny.
>>5108039Forced meme
>>5107844>Show could really use a remaster/rereleasenot possible, all the effects were rendered at a shitty 360p. If you were to rescan the negatives for a better film resolution, you would also have to pull up all the CG files and re-render them... And then re-edit the whole thing so that footage and effects matchan extremely laborous prorocess that requires the involvment of many of the original creators (some of whom are probably gone)
>>5107933>even to it obviously did from time to timei'm pretty sure it's considered an herbivore nowadays
>>5107957>>5107967I never said they were not hunted by Tyrannosaurs just that an adult bang average Edmontosaur wouldn't be that easy of a kill for a Tyrannosaurus. At least not as nearly as easy as is sometimes portrayed.>I would say this gets overstated now more than anything.You have no fucking idea how ignorant of that most people are...
>>5108029I know where you got that argument from :^)
WDRA was great. The apatosaurus death scene was brutal. Cool sound design for the dilophosaurus too
>>5108118I don't know from where you think i got it because i didn't get it from anywhere
>>5108140Yeah that is my second favorite after WWD
>>5108097Is it? i haven't heard of that before.Still that would mean nothing in the context we are talking because paleofags sure love saying "true herbivory doesn't exist" to draw hecking subversive art of ceratopsians eating meat
They will never be able to replicate the soul and atmosphere of these early 2000s dino documentaries. I enjoy up to date paleo art but all the documentaries released after Planet Dinosaur sucks ass.
>>5107649>>5107678Monsters We Met is the most brutal paleo doc.>One man is killed by a spear from a rival tribe, another is eaten by a saltwater crocodile, and one more is shown bitten by Megalania prisca in gory detail. A kangaroo hunt is shown, and men burn the megalania alive.
>>5108182Really amazing how well the T. rex model in this one held up. The only problem i see is the arms
>>5108174>>>/wsg/6107690
>>5108231yeah i know herbivores eat meat from time to time. Read the rest of the context of the conversation
>>5108029It's ironic that JP became the posterchild for "Bad paleomedia that portrays dinosaurs as monsters" when one of Steven Spielbergs rules on the film set was that nobody was allowed to refer to them as monsters. Even the novel repeatably hammers in how the dinosaurs are just animals. Then and again though JP3 had some spectacularly awful scenes like the Rex abandoning it's kill to eat humans, or the Spino chasing the characters throughout the whole movie. I guess a single movie was enough to spoil people's impressions on the whole franchise, ignoring the nail in the coffin that was the JW movies more than a decade later.
>>5108594nah, you lost.
>>5108594The first movie really has very realistic animal behavior. People often mention how bloodthirsty the raptors are but to me that makes sense since they are established to be extremely intelligent and were kept in a fucking 40 by 20 feet paddock so covered in plants that they couldn't even look at the outside world. It only makes sense that they would go insane.
>>5108596If that is true then they did a fucking terrible job because those were the most accurate dinosaurs ever put to screen when the movie released
>>5108172The paleontologist who from the Nano paper posted a vid where he goes on about how he thinks the JP galli scene is the most accurate depiction of a rex hunting. [spoiler]I bet you even pay him for access to his private discord server[/spoiler]
>>5108650Damn i guess because someone else made the same observation that means no one can independently come to the same conclusion.Please be normal.
>>5107752>NO NO NO! DINOSAURS SHOULD BE GAY LITTLE PACIFISTS THAT NEVER HURT EACHOTHER EVER!Get blood cancer contrarianigger
>>5107957why does it look like the Edmonto is raping the rex kek
>>5108650Paleopedos steal from people all the time. The recent paper that just came out about Ceratosaurus possibly being a sabertooth literally is just a rehashing of my pointing out that T. rex is a sabertoothed animal but nobody notices it because it has more than one set of saber teeth. They just changed up their test results so it doesn't look too much like their buddy's when the teacher grades it.
>>5107623You saw it when you were a child. Not to say WWD is bad, it's obviously quite good, but nostalgia aside it really is not any better than Prehistoric Planet. So much of the show was laughably inaccurate even for 1999. Liopleurodon being like 5x larger than it should be, UTAHraptor inexplicably living in Europe, etc.
>>5108729Wrong and CIAfaggotted. WWD wasn't being wrong on purpose. Lying should be a capital offense. And soon it will be.
>>5108665It was made by a paleotwitter user what do you think is the reason?
>>5108666And what do you expect them to say in the paper? "I give credit to this 4chan anon that said this thing one"?
>>5108729Notice all the negatives you mentioned are things that are scientifically inaccurate and not the things being discussed that make it better than Prehistoric Planet
>>5108859I expect them to come up with their own fucking research based on fossil evidence instead of just stealing everyone else's text from online. But that's far too much to hope for at this point for paleontology.
>>5108666>The recent paper that just came out about Ceratosaurus possibly being a sabertooth literally is just a rehashing of my pointing out that T. rex is a sabertoothed animal but nobody notices it because it has more than one set of saber teethT. rex is the exact opposite of a saber toothed predator. It was built to crush bone, its teeth were thick and comparatively blunt. Not at all like ceratosaurus
>>5108666I can’t imagine being so deluded to actually believe that the people who wrote that paper came on 4chan to steal the idea from you
>>5108987Professional paleontologist here.I regularly milk /an/ for material to publishYou fags make fun of me and I publish your ideas
>>5108958Great reading comprehension, dumbass bot.>>5108993Yes, wrongbitch, we know. Get a job. Or a life. Pick one.
>>5108993>You fags make fun of me and I publish your ideasWe make fun of you and you don’t publish anything you find here, nor is there anything worthwhile to find
>>5108993and I'm the king of Siam
>>5108994>Great reading comprehension, dumbass botJust say you didn’t read the paper
>>5108650Newfag off his meds
>>5108993Nick “Longdongosaurus Rex” Longrich - king of /an/ since before the anti-feather crowd was old enough to vote
>>5109189Also in the Epstein files. It's a secret though, don't tell anyone.
>>5108993can you name the next dinosaur Louisaurus please as my name is Louis :)
this thread got me inspired to make an attempt at laying down a docu-comic about the paleozoic. i hope the few anons sane enough to give a fuck could take a look at this and tell me how it's looking narratively, accuracy corrections would also be welcome as i aim to have a mixup of accuracy, speculation and inaccuracies for dramatic purposes. pic related is a sketch of mine of the dunk (it has a mixup of the (((engelman))) proportions and older depictions, i envision it as a 6-meters long beast at full age, like this one).https://pastebin.com/f4GD8czX
>>5109720Good Dunkleosteus design, doesn't look retarded.
>>5109720Nice
