thinking about the past extinctions and impending future extinctions (some very soon like the 'akikiki) of hawaii's native bird species again
>>5115250dude nothing lasts forever lmaooo
Their presence in the first place has irrevocably influenced the future. The traces of their existence remain a part of the universe forever.
>>5115250>amphibians: fucked already>turtles: getting fucked>mammals except humans: dying, or farm animals, or pets, and those will die too>birds that are hyper specialists: mega fuckedMy bets are that birds that are generalists will be able to fly and easily find food in the wastelands and breed to outcompete land mammals that have to deal with gestation. It’s even possible that generalist birds could displace all mammals and only small rodents, primates, bats and cats will be left, which isn’t far off from Mesozoic mammalian genera.If this happens, welp, le dinos never went away.
>>5115436You think they're ever gonna re-evolve front legs?
>>5115267wrong, theres countless species that we will never know that existed, even in modern day, we wouldnt have known about all the cave creatures had nobody walked in them>>5115443evolution doesnt work that way, once something is a way, its almost impossible to it have it return to its original version so you it can keep adding on to the jenga tower that is their genetics to fix it, its like you did something that caused the inability to turn left, so you have to turn right 3 times to order to go left now; and then its like saying you can breed out congenital defects, also statistically impossible; and even then those transitory forms have to appear at the right time to be able to compete with species in those established niches or become another genetic dead end, and even then they still have to compete with other transitory forms, so a 4 legged bird has to compete with every other terrestrial vertebrate quadruped that already exists
>>5115450Just because we humans don't have records of them doesn't mean they didn't affect the universe. If they never existed, the world would have turned out differently.You're thinking too small here.
>>5115450By "re-evolve front legs", I meant so as in "start using their wings as anything other than flight".
>>5115512>and even then those transitory forms have to appear at the right time to be able to compete with species in those established niches or become another genetic dead end, and even then they still have to compete with other transitory forms, so a 4 legged bird has to compete with every other terrestrial vertebrate quadruped that already exists
>>5115436Crocodilians aren't really doing hot either.
>>5115250I thought they had a captive population of 'akikiki?
>>5115250have some rage and sadnes
>>5117141For birds yeah.As for mammals I think rats, raccoons and coyotes will stick around for a long long time.
>>5119956That's almost all herps desu. It's easier to prevent extinctions for most reptiles and amphibians than most exotic mammals due to their reproductive methods and large amounts of offspring
>>5115250Maybe the polys should have thought about that before selling out to mainland politicians then destroying their own ecosystem to build factories and farm tourist-bux
>>5115250We just have to gas _ _ _ _ and stop giving them money and they’ll stop poisoning and destroying the environment because they’ll be gone.
>>5121155>>5119985>>5115436One of the biggest threat to frogs (and amphibians entirely) is that batrachochytrium fungal outbreak that literally wiped out species in record time. I wonder if there has been anything created to efficiently wipe it out or damage control it As for turtles it seems conservation has been doing well for so far despite the biggest challenge of repopulating them in particular is their slow reproductive rate. Galapagos and Aldabra tortoises have been re-introduced to areas they once lived in, and green sea turtles got booted out the endangered list. As for the biggest culprit to a good chunk of others species, I honestly blame south east asia and their ridiculous sheer amount of trafficking of turtles as a whole combined with other factors around there for why a good amount of species are on the shit-list right now. It's pretty fucked up for them over there.
>>5118985And we're wiping out Manatees too because fuck not destroying seagrass beds.
>>5118984>>5122739There's about 41 captive ones still.
The Kauai honeycreepers are so sad. They have no resistance to avian malaria, and the cold temps that kept mosquitoes out of their last remaining habitat stopped existing back in roughly 2019. The birds went from a slightly recovering populations in to probably extinct in the wild as soon as the mosquitoes infiltrated the Alakai plateau.>>5125634From what I heard, they don’t really reproduce in captivity too often unfortunately. Like they’re not dying, but they’re also not really fucking.
skill issue
>>5115250you gotta think further ahead to the future of the natural world when theres no humans on earth anymore, its a fun way to cope with the bullshit
>>5128604because its like 3% of species that carry malaria, and even then its just better to crop dust with ddt (it fucked up the birds though), and thats why north america doesnt have malaria anymore except when brought in from street shitters
>>5115250notice how the skull of the wojak is happier
>>5128604They’ve started to trial run wolbachia bacteria incompatibility to crash specific southern house mosquito (the main bird vector) populations in Hawaii. The problem is that this gets the most annoying people imaginable to stop yelling at each other to gripe about gmos at the bird conservation agencies every time it’s brought up. The method does not use gmos mind you, it just takes advantage of a naturally existing bacteria turf war that already exists in 90% of insects. This has not stopped the gmo accusations regardless of how many times it’s been corrected.
>>5130665because theyre iq voters, theyve been fed headline after headline of MUHSANTO and think anytime someone fucks around with genes its a bad thing without even understanding what and why monsanto did was wrong or why the people are even angry, they just follow the crowd, like women. these people buy food with the gmo free sticker at a 30% markup and think theyre doing something useful
>>5115250Think of the future speciation.
>>5127259Pretty sure the bugs have never even noticed there was a competition to win. Mass extinctions are business as usual
>>5133447Misanthropy is so last century.
>>5133604Not counting migratory birds/ vagrants17 Hawaiian honeycreepers2 thrushes3 monarch flycatchersThe Hawaiian crowThe Hawaiian hawkThe Hawaiian short eared owl subspeciesThe nene goose 2 endemic ducksThe Hawaiian pink legged stilt subspeciesThe Hawaiian moorhen subspeciesThe Hawaiian cootBlack crowned night heronsThe Laysan millerbirdAbout 23+ seabird species that regularly nest in either the main or northwestern Hawaiian Islands in large numbers
>>5115250>some insular darwinian dead end taxon goes poofLol, who the fuck cares?
>>5115512That exists! The hoatzin from South America has clawed fingers on its wings to climb through trees when it's a baby. Apparently they lose them when they grow up, but I can't find any documentation on how the claws go away, so it's a mystery. They either fall out or shrink I guess.
