thinking about the past extinctions and impending future extinctions (some very soon like the 'akikiki) of hawaii's native bird species again
>>5115250dude nothing lasts forever lmaooo
Their presence in the first place has irrevocably influenced the future. The traces of their existence remain a part of the universe forever.
>>5115250>amphibians: fucked already>turtles: getting fucked>mammals except humans: dying, or farm animals, or pets, and those will die too>birds that are hyper specialists: mega fuckedMy bets are that birds that are generalists will be able to fly and easily find food in the wastelands and breed to outcompete land mammals that have to deal with gestation. It’s even possible that generalist birds could displace all mammals and only small rodents, primates, bats and cats will be left, which isn’t far off from Mesozoic mammalian genera.If this happens, welp, le dinos never went away.
>>5115436You think they're ever gonna re-evolve front legs?
>>5115267wrong, theres countless species that we will never know that existed, even in modern day, we wouldnt have known about all the cave creatures had nobody walked in them>>5115443evolution doesnt work that way, once something is a way, its almost impossible to it have it return to its original version so you it can keep adding on to the jenga tower that is their genetics to fix it, its like you did something that caused the inability to turn left, so you have to turn right 3 times to order to go left now; and then its like saying you can breed out congenital defects, also statistically impossible; and even then those transitory forms have to appear at the right time to be able to compete with species in those established niches or become another genetic dead end, and even then they still have to compete with other transitory forms, so a 4 legged bird has to compete with every other terrestrial vertebrate quadruped that already exists
>>5115450Just because we humans don't have records of them doesn't mean they didn't affect the universe. If they never existed, the world would have turned out differently.You're thinking too small here.
>>5115450By "re-evolve front legs", I meant so as in "start using their wings as anything other than flight".
>>5115512>and even then those transitory forms have to appear at the right time to be able to compete with species in those established niches or become another genetic dead end, and even then they still have to compete with other transitory forms, so a 4 legged bird has to compete with every other terrestrial vertebrate quadruped that already exists
>>5115436Crows and pigeons and seagulls will inherit the earth
>>5115250you think they have it bad?
>>5115436Crocodilians aren't really doing hot either.
>>5115250I thought they had a captive population of 'akikiki?
>>5115250have some rage and sadnes
>>5118552Crocodilians breed well in captivity
>>5117141For birds yeah.As for mammals I think rats, raccoons and coyotes will stick around for a long long time.
>>5119956That's almost all herps desu. It's easier to prevent extinctions for most reptiles and amphibians than most exotic mammals due to their reproductive methods and large amounts of offspring
>>5115250Maybe the polys should have thought about that before selling out to mainland politicians then destroying their own ecosystem to build factories and farm tourist-bux
>>5119985idk some frogs are challenging because they need very specific environments to breedsame for some turtles, which are the reptiles that need help the most
>>5115250We just have to gas _ _ _ _ and stop giving them money and they’ll stop poisoning and destroying the environment because they’ll be gone.
>>5121155>>5119985>>5115436One of the biggest threat to frogs (and amphibians entirely) is that batrachochytrium fungal outbreak that literally wiped out species in record time. I wonder if there has been anything created to efficiently wipe it out or damage control it As for turtles it seems conservation has been doing well for so far despite the biggest challenge of repopulating them in particular is their slow reproductive rate. Galapagos and Aldabra tortoises have been re-introduced to areas they once lived in, and green sea turtles got booted out the endangered list. As for the biggest culprit to a good chunk of others species, I honestly blame south east asia and their ridiculous sheer amount of trafficking of turtles as a whole combined with other factors around there for why a good amount of species are on the shit-list right now. It's pretty fucked up for them over there.
>>5121229https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/news/breakthrough-inoculation-trial-gives-green-and-golden-bell-frog-fighting-chancehttps://phys.org/news/2026-04-habitats-frogs-microbes-curb-deadly.html
>>5118484all those Yangtze extinctions hit hard: the baiji, the Chinese paddlefish, and giant softshell turtle.
>>5118984where?
>>5118985And we're wiping out Manatees too because fuck not destroying seagrass beds.
>>5117141even the Hawaiian crow is endangered
>>5123172https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/05/hawaiian-crows-alala-maui
>>5118984>>5122739There's about 41 captive ones still.
>>5124132Are they slow breeders? Birds can often still be saved with populations at that number being they lay eggs.
>>5122758don't forget retarded Florida man and his speedboats
>>5119985>>5118484lots of frogs and turtles are in danger...
>>5115436the bugs will win
The Kauai honeycreepers are so sad. They have no resistance to avian malaria, and the cold temps that kept mosquitoes out of their last remaining habitat stopped existing back in roughly 2019. The birds went from a slightly recovering populations in to probably extinct in the wild as soon as the mosquitoes infiltrated the Alakai plateau.>>5125634From what I heard, they don’t really reproduce in captivity too often unfortunately. Like they’re not dying, but they’re also not really fucking.
skill issue
>>5127908why don't humans wipe out the mosquitoes?
>>5115250you gotta think further ahead to the future of the natural world when theres no humans on earth anymore, its a fun way to cope with the bullshit
>>5128604because its like 3% of species that carry malaria, and even then its just better to crop dust with ddt (it fucked up the birds though), and thats why north america doesnt have malaria anymore except when brought in from street shitters
