Puppy power!

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>>5122304
So true.

I really want a great dane

Think I'm going to get a dog bros

>>5122210
https://www.cell.com/heliyon/fulltext/S2405-8440(24)11677-5

WHY DOES MY MOM'S FUCKING MALTESE TURN INTO A MATTED MESS TWO MONTHS AFTER EVERY GROOMING APPOINTMENT EVEN THOUGH I'M DOING MY BEST TO BRUSH HER FUCK
AND I DO IT BECAUSE MY MOM WON'T
So er... if you had any tips on how to avoid matts on thick silky coated dogs. Thanx.

>>5122631
No hair, no matting. It's not rocket science

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I'd like to get a dog but I feel like I would just disappoint it. I'd probably get cancer and die and leave it all alone or something.

Or I would live long enough to see it die and then I'd be alone again.

>>5122812
Dogs are tools and are happy to be tools, even if the tool's purpose is just to hang out and make sure you're anchored to something other than yourself.
That being said, only adopt animals you can actually care for: if you don't have the means or stability to care for an animal long term, most shelters will be exstatic to have another set of hands to walk the animals, help them acclimatize to people (put young guy in the ump suit for the street pits) or even just clean.

>>5122812
Living long enough to see your dog dying of cancer is the most brutal. I vowed to never joke about cancer again in my life.
Having multiple pets helps somewhat. You have to keep going for the sake of the one still living. But I wouldn't recommend two dogs for a beginner, either.
But fuck it, do what you want. Life is short and your dogs are happy to spend it with you.

>>5122812
Anon, why not get an older shelter dog? I'm sure the dog would adore to spend it's remaining years with you.

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>>5122210
Hounds are just the best. You have to be patient with the coonhounds though. They are loud and insane sometimes.

>>5122717
I keep it short until it grows out too.
I'm wondering how the fuck those show people maintain a full length drop coat like in a Havanese or Shi Tzu. It feels like after the hair hits an inch and a half, it gets matted if you breathe on it.

>>5122892
I don't have that kind of dog. I just wanted to be funny and suggest shaving it bald

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>>5122340
Indeed dogebros

Why are dog owners always the worst people on the internet? Yesterday someone raided my favorite discord server with gay porn and it turned out to be a dog owner.

>>5123449
Lol

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>>5123415
>>5123447
So freaking based.

>>5123449
I’ve noticed this too. The worst posters on any 4chan board post pictures of their dogs, especially when it’s unrelated, unwanted, or a low quality contribution. It’s way comfier without dog posters.

I wonder if because dog owners have to go outside and are frustrated from all the barking so they blow off steam trolling and dont care/notice if they get banned.

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>>5123643
Burnt

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>>5122631
Properly brushing a drop coat is a lot more intensive than most people are led to believe. Just brushing isn't enough, the entire coat needs to be fully combed through from the base of the skin all the way to the tip, going over every inch of the dog. The term commonly used is "line brushing", which means you sort of lift up hair in layers and work through a section at a time. This image shows a pin brush, but a slicker brush with long stiff pins that are bent is better.
Depending on the texture of the coat and length you want to keep, this needs to be done somewhere between once a week to as frequent as every single day.
Keep in mind that it's much easier to maintain if the coat is kept clean, though you should never ever bath a long coat and let it air dry. You need to blow dry it completely and brush/comb it out fully again every single time the dog gets wet (this includes general swimming and/or getting wet in the rain)
Realistically, the majority of people do not have the time or dedication to keep this up, or they have not taught the dog to tolerate that much handling. If you can't keep it up, 8 weeks is about as long as you can expect to get between grooms, but that's pushing it depending on how fluffy you want to keep it.
>>5122892
Sheer dedication, they do it for the love of the game. Breeds at show level will also have a much more predictable and consistent hair quality that mixed breeds and pets in general don't have. It's a lottery and I have met some dogs that just have shitty coats that are too soft and tangle too easily to keep them long at all.
>>5122717
>>5122892
This is actually a viable option. Just get it clipped shorter, or more regularly. A matted dog is suffering infinitely more than one that has been shaved. Little fluffy dogs don't actually need their coats, it doesn't protect them from shit, it's just there to look nice.

I hope this helped someone. Dog hair is more important to me than it should be

WOOF!

>>5124046
Why is your puppy already so judgemental?

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>>5124082

I think my dog might have colonitis(?). Is there anyway I can get him medicine myself, or do I have to go to the vet? He's chill, and I think he's had this problem for years

>>5124377
Nvm might be an anal gland problem. Going to kill myself now

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>>5122210
My dog is 6% beagle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIRpYwVpP4E

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My 15 year old pit bull chocolate lab is laying in my room right now, I don't think she has much time left.

Owning a german shepherd, husky, malinois, or wolfdog is inherently homosexual.

>>5124887
Anon, you're making a grave mistake. Not all furries are homosexual.

>>5124820
Not that anyone cares, but I put her down today. She was already gone by the time the sedatives got to her.

>>5122210
What were the beagles researching?

>>5125154
That fucking sucks. 15 years is a long time though. That's like small dog years. I can imagine how tough it was, but I've seen what happens if you let them go naturally. It's a coin toss if it's peaceful, but at least your last memory of her was a visually pleasing one

>>5125162
The picture I included on my first one was taken a few years back.. My dog was in rough shape, her gums were yellow by the time we got into the vet. It happened faster than I thought it would. It's not the way your dog leaves that matters Anon, it's cherishing them while they're still alive. I didn't feel bad about her dying because that just meant her suffering was over. Any tears I would have shed would have been for my own sake, not hers. She's in a better place. and I'm happy for her.

>>5125171
Im glad you're not distraught about putting her down. It's something I dread, even though I'm not quite there yet. I've come to believe that love is pretty masochistic. I don't know why we invest almost two decades just to be heartbroken

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>>5125160
Whether flesh eating flies would kill them or not 1984 torture style.
BTW this is not a joke. Dr. Fauci did this to beagle puppies.

>>5125212
It was to make tribal africans lives slightly less bad without making them move out of the woods and build their own civilization, chud.

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Haven't had a dog in a decade, saw some Kelpies for sale today in a nearby town and got one, say hello to Marshall.

>>5125288
Lookin' good.

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>>5125290
He sleep

My pit mutt has the most wretched allergies, it's fucking unbelievable. How on earth did this breed become so overwhelmingly common? They've got basically no redeeming qualities.

>>5125334
>They've got basically no redeeming qualities.
Wrong

>>5124820
That's a friendly looking doggo. Im sorry for your loss anon

>>5125334
A satanic cult

https://rc4ps.org/who-is-the-pit-bull-lobby/

>>5125339
They have zero. None. Shouldn’t exist. Total sterilization. Punish breeding with euthanasia of all pitbulls that can be traced to the illicit mating.

>>5125288
What a handsome gentleman.

>>5125345
>seething because a dog
you should kill yourself

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I still miss you buddy

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>>5125378
Iktf anon

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my beagle wagging his tail while sleeping
probably chasing rabbits or squirrels

>>5125382
Yeesh

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What kind of dog does he look like? Apartment doesn't allow GSDs, but he's a GSD mixed with Aussie Shepard. Can I just say he's an Aussie?

>>5125486
>Ahhh jeez dude i dunno we just call him a mutt. Got him outside the dollar general from this homeless guy for about tree fiddy. Felt bad for the pup, ya'know? He's a real good boy. Never bit no one and doesnt bark at much. Ya'know the good kinda dog?

>>5125339
Yeah, I mean she's not demanding at all and she's pretty affectionate. She's far from the worst dog I've ever dealt with. I'm just frustrated with this skin shit. Nothing I'm doing is helping and winter is a long way off.

>>5125486
Use the tried and true shelter lie: say he's a lab mix. I'd buy it.

>>5125334
>>5125535
that's common with short haired dogs. unfortunately every dog coat type has its downsides, I've owned a dog of like every type there is.
>smooth, short coat like a pit or greyhound
sheds like fuck 24/7 and clings to everything
due to how short the coat is the dog ends up being more prone to skin problems and allergies to pollen/grass
the length of the coat means burs/foxtails will make it to the skin, very dangerous during those seasons
the upside is it needs no brushing and only occasional baths, no haircuts needed
>short double coat like a husky
undercoat blows out twice a year and it snows inside your house
needs occasional brushing or the undercoat will tangle in areas like armpits/behind the ears
upside is you still don't need a professional groomer and the coat repels debris so less risk of foxtails/burrs making it to the skin
don't shave it, it won't grow back properly, and you need to trim the sanitary areas occasionally
>long shaggy coat like a bearded collie or maltese
not much shedding
you need professional grooming and shaping at least every 4 months (if you shave them down each time) and brushing daily to avoid tangles
the hair around their face picks up water/food and gets gross if you don't clean their face
need to shave their ass and genitals or prepare for a nasty fecal dermatitis
>curly coat
kinda like shaggy coats, imperceptible shedding but professional grooming every 8 weeks is non-negotiable, painful matting will happen if you don't

>>5122812
It's good that dogs die before us, our deaths are much harder on them

>>5125538
I adore husky and GSD coats. Maintaining them is difficult enough that it feels like you're accomplishing something, but not so bad that it's a pain in the ass. And the brushing makes for nice bonding time.

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>>5125382
I really miss my little guy.
From the day I got him, we were inseparable.

I had to put a cone on my dog and now she is sad

>>5126049
give bacon

>>5126102
I don't have bacon but I did give her some cheese

>>5126118
Raw lean ground beef is another excellent option.

>>5122344
Best tempered dog I ever had.

>>5122344
Imagine the shits you’d have to pick up.

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>>5126138
If you are bending down to pick them up anyway, what difference does it really make?

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do you guys like dalmations

>>5126165
Yes. Yours is very cute.

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Fun fact: the earliest "beware of dog" sign could have referred to small Italian Greyhound type dogs that you could accidentally step on.

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>>5126165
You have a cute dalmation.
This is my dalmatian.

>>5126298
>hello fellow dalmation

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>>5126301

>>5126172
You can tell they did the mosaic of the dog first and then realized they ran out of space for the lettering

>>5126298
Firefighting is in their nature.

>>5126298
>>5126309
Genuinely looks annoyed with you. He might be plotting to kill you now or when he grows up

I had my Smokey put to sleep on Thursday. He lived for 18 years, from 2008 to 2026. He was my best friend and my love.

How do I deal with resource guarding when it involves my bed at night? My dog doesn’t resource guard anything besides my bed, but it’s a pain since if I even roll around a bit he will growl or snap. He knows “place”, but it doesn’t work when he gets like this. Research says to lure him off the bed with treats but he kinda ignores them, should I lure and teach him “off” using a different piece of furniture? Thanks guys

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What breed is this leviathan? My coworker's neighbor has this thing and it's apparently over 200lbs. Some saint Bernard wolf mix?

>>5126584
Looks like a Newfoundland

>>5126586
Aren't those supposed to be black and white and like 100lbs less than that beast?

>>5126542
Male dogs are usually shit like this. Pets should always be female. Male dogs are workers/tools and are extremely focused on hierarchy and property. If you’re male it’s always competing with you.

You have to kindly but firmly make it get it off the bed (spazzing out is for weaklings) next time it does that shit and not let it back on for the rest of the night. If it doesn’t get the message after doing that three times it can never use the bed again. Get it its own bed.

He lived for 18 years. Somebody reply to me, please.

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>>5126634
Sorry for your loss anon.
18 years is a long time.
I know it hurts, and hopefully you can soon be at the point where you only look back on the fond memories you shared. Good luck.

>>5126641
thank you. He is my love.

>>5126634
Sorry bro. Wanted to tell you 18 years old a really long life for a dog, but that like the first post I saw when I woke up and I did not want to get sappy first thing in the morning

I've adopted a german shepherd. The shelter didn't give me a bag of the food she was used to, even though they said they were going to. She doesn't respond well to the food I've been feeding her. She gets gas or something. She whines and paces about, and doesn't feel comfortable enough to shit outside. Eventually she shits inside, even after I've spent 1.5 hours taking her out and out again. She had shat outside once when I had first got her, so she knows how to do it. It's got to be this damn food. I didn't do any research when I bought this food. I thought it was supposed to be good. It's "blue wilderness".

Also, she's got separation anxiety and whines and paws at the door if I'm outside alone for even a minute. Thus I am hostage. I cannot even buy groceries.

>>5126800
>The shelter didn't give me a bag of the food she was used to, even though they said they were going to
They'll probably give you extra if you go back and explain the situation.

>Thus I am hostage. I cannot even buy groceries.
Take her with you. Walmart tacitly allows pets because they're scared of ADA lawsuits. Or you can crate her so she doesn't destroy the house and just let her deal with it, it's not going to hurt her. You need a sturdy crate though, shepherds can and will break out.

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>>5126800
With puppies you specifically do not go on long walks to make them shit. They'll be so distracted and anxious they won't release. You keep doing 5 to 10 minute walks, but offer them *very* frequently. Don't go different routes, just keep going to the same area and eventually the puppy will start sitting and accepting the place to shit.

Also give a command when shitting "go poop" or something and praise the dog for when she shits. My Bernese mountain dog can shit on command and it's very useful. Also I trained him to only shit in the bushes and where no human will walk. I barely if ever have to pick up his droppings because it is always somewhere where I can't even reach.

>>5126877
She was only at the shelter for a few days before I adopted her, so I don't suppose it would help anyways.

>Taking her with me to Walmart
She pulls on the leash and I don't trust her yet. I could just keep her in the car with me and try some "curbside pickup" nonsense. I'll probably just leave her in the house when I really need groceries. I want to try working up to being outside alone for half an hour before doing that, though. I haven't been trying to get her used to me being away because I've assumed stress was contributing to her poop-hesitancy and I wanted to keep stress to a minimum. Now that I think it's the mostly the food, I'll work in it.

Two AI chatbots are recommending "Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin & Stomach Large Breed Salmon & Rice Formula". Is this brand of dog food dog shit or what? I think I should switch away from the blue wilderness. I have no idea what I should be feeding her.

>>5126908
She's an adult, not a puppy.

>>5126912
>She's an adult, not a puppy.
Yes, and? Obviously some concepts will remain into adulthood and contrary to the ookd saying you can teach a dog at any age. You described her as anxious yourself. The only place right now she feels confident enough to shit for now is at your home so make her feel just as comfortable somewhere else that's preferably not indoors.

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Silken Windhounds became AKC FSS last month, so these mini-Borzois will become a legit AKC breed soon. I want one!

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>>5126912
I only feed my dogs Blue Buffalo bran kibble with some fresh meat off the BBQ grill. I normally buy what ever meat is on sale and it ends up costing me the same or less to feed them people food. Only the good stuff no worries. Plain white rice and chicken works wonders on a dogs upset tummy and later on you can transition to an all kibble diet if you need.

Picture is of my baby boy Corgi who just turned 1 three weeks ago and got his first chance to chase and herd up some chickens. My Mr. Good Boy is napping after a long day on the homestead.

My dogs is dealing with some kind of allergy, and I assume it's food related. Should I just switch to home food? I'm losing my mind. What doe he needs, rice and chicken? Done

I'm planning to get another Craigslist special. Huskies are generally healthy except for epilepsy, right?

>>5127170
I think fish is the default meat for dogs with allergies

>>5127179
Got him salmon dog food. Hope he does better. I wish I could show you guys his tongue

>belgian malinois wandered into our yard and warmed up to us
>german shepherd mix wandered into our yard and warmed up to us
>they had puppies together and now we have 6 half a year old dogs as well.
I didnt sign up for this shit.

>>5127242
>High-fives dog-fucking joke
>Advocates the puppies be sold to specifically white-only families
Work clocklike

>>5127224
>>5127242
Sell them to trash who will keep them as yard dogs, improve your local stray gene pool

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>>5125541
>our deaths are much harder on them

>>5127255
But that could possibly put them in the hands of >>5127240 and his repressing brother in toxoplasmosis >>5127246

>>5127252
>>5127268
I'm not a dog. Stop trying to fuck (with) me

>>5127257
Exactly. The death of a dog is an awful thing, but for them, the death of their person is far worse. Better that we deal with that pain than inflict it on them.

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My girlfriend convinced me to take in a 5-7 (nobody seems to know) year old Husky/German Shepherd mix. Said it was being neglected and not getting enough love or attention, but it's house trained and friendly.

What should I expect? Those two breeds seem pretty opposite in temperament, though I've never had either. My last dog was an Irish Wolfhound but he died a couple years ago, at 12. Nothing against Huskys but I've never wanted one because I know they need a shit load of attention and activity, and didn't think I could give one the environment it needs. I don't know as much about German Shepherds except that they're easily trained, and I'm not sure about that. I'm not really worried about it, I like dogs and have always gotten along well with them, but I don't have any experience or knowledge of this kind besides chasing a husky around town in the snow when it figured out how to open the gate to my friend's back yard.

Any advice or info would be appreciated, I'll meet this dog when I get home in 3 days. Thanks.

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My family dog passed about an hour ago
I flew back to see him 2 weeks ago, but couldn't make it back in time to say goodbye this time, his condition suddenly worsened this morning
I knew it was probably the last time I'd see him then, but I'm just filled with guilt that I wasn't with him when he died
I feel guilty that I don't feel "sad enough" either? Had a cry, but nothing's coming out anymore, and my mind is racing and giving me all kinds of intrusive thoughts of random unrelated bullshit
Don't post much on 4chan anymore these days, but I just needed somewhere to vent I guess

>>5127355
Nosy, clingy, fidgety, maybe reactive

>>5127363
Well why don't you feel sad enough?

>>5127369
I don't know
Just feel kind of numb now and regretting that I didn't play more with him or take him for more walks

>>5127372
Mom (family) had a little dog. I knew her since forever. when she died, I didn't really feel anything. Sometimes it doesn't hit you as hard

>>5127363
>I feel guilty that I don't feel "sad enough" either
Been there, anon. Don't know if it's the best advice, but I think you're probably feeling it more than you know. It'll keep cropping up and affecting you in unexpected ways probably. Anyway it's not a performance or contest, you don't have anything to prove. You know you loved and cared for that animal, and that's all that really matters. I couldn't be there for my dog's death either and that really upset me as well, but the main thing to remember is the good times IMO.

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My pitbull/poodle/husky mix

>>5127376
Looks part Corgi too.

>>5122823
>Dogs are tools
No
They are friends
Also, if a religion says that dogs don't go to heaven, then it doesn't represent the word of God and should disappear.

>dog keeps digging out of the yard
I try to go out there and bury her digging spots after filling them with rock but she still finds ways to dig out.
How do I get her to stop digging?
Shes a german shepherd mix.

>>5127407
An e collar is how I would fix it. That's assuming she does while you're able to watch

>>5127407
Don't listen to the guy suggesting you
abuse your dog to change their
behavior.

>>5127407
is she digging because it is hot out? that's natural behavior: get her a little pool or something

>>5127530
Nice haiku. If an e collar works for him, it works for him. I notice you haven't offered a different solution

>>5127355
He will probably find a way out of your yard if you let him, so don't let him.

>>5127407
Stop leaving her outside unsupervised. Or dig a trench under your fence and fill it with concrete.

>>5127402
He's right, dogs are tools. They're created by man to serve a purpose. And like any good tool, they are a monument to man's ingenuity and must be treated with due respect.

>>5127532
It can get a bit hot out here, but we have a big tub of water on the side for her in the shade under her dog house.
I'm pretty sure she just really likes roaming
>>5127539
I'm a neet who lives with my parents. They want her to stay outside. Specifically my dad likes having a dog in the yard for security.

>>5127407
Digging is natural dig behavior. Lawns are unnatural boomer faggot behavior. Give her an assigned digging spot.

>>5127527
>protect the grass. abuse your dog.

>>5127540
Total. Boomer. Death.

>>5127542
Please don't give anyone advice

>>5127543
>seething animal abuser
Dogs dig. It’s what they do. An abused dog that can’t do dog stuff just barks at nothing and bites strangers.

>>5127539
Dogs are friends. Man didn’t create them. God did. Do you think cavemen 40,000 years ago understood mendelian genetics and captured wolves to start a breeding program? Isolated tribes sometimes dont know sex makes babies. God gave them friendly cooperative wolves so they could survive the north. Even people today aren’t smart enough to domesticate wolves and get something useful. They can hardly breed dogs without lowering their lifespan and making them retarded.

God made the dog. And then man decided to ruin his friend and make him a genetic slave for… nothing. Sport hunting, a false sense of security, fashion. Somehow cavemen only needed a friendlier wolf to survive the brutal wilds and tribal warfare, and modern man needed to make dogs into smashed face drooling beasts that stink and have epilepsy to work an office job and sit in a chair. Sad. Nice ingenuity there, mankind. What else, hunting more inefficiently for sport? neglected security dogs poisoned for barking 24/7? Toadlines and roachback shepherds? Too bad catastrophic floods don’t happen in a way that spares the dogs desu

>>5127544
Clearly anon can't have his dogs digging holes all over, and your answer is "he's a dog, just let him"? If you have no desire to help your dog coexist with humans, and to become the best dog you can help it be, then please do not give advice

>>5127537
Thank you.
People have said beating their dog works for them as well.
Pain compliance is always abuse.

Some dogs are tools, most dogs are companions. It varies if they're on the clock or not. There, now we don't have to devolve into back and forth insults

>>5127542
>Give her an assigned digging spot.
We live in the desert so the backyard is actually a bunch of dirt. I don't mind here digging anywhere back there and we have a big 3 acre backyard. How do I set up a designated digging spot for her? Just burying treats?

>>5127547
An e collar and whacking your dog in the temple is not the same thing. For one, only one of them is proven to work if you know what you're doing

>>5127552
>proven
Beating your dog is the classic boomer training method, retard. They'll listen to you, but bite strangers, have zero confidence, and never truly bond with you.

Pain compliance is always abuse. The way you suggest to "just use an ecollar" rather than suggesting an actual training technique utilizing one tells me you would use it abusively.
Crank the ecollar to max power and zap dog repeatedly when it starts digging. This is almost the exact same thing as just beating your dog when it does something you dont like.

>>5127546
>assigned digging spot = holes all over
Animal abusers confirmed for staggeringly low intellect. What else is new?

>>5127551
demarcate, shallowly bury bones and toys to associate, temporarily block last used areas with mesh staked to the ground

>>5127554
>They'll listen to you, but bite strangers, have zero confidence, and never truly bond with you.
Yeah, that's why I said it's unproven to work

No, I wouldn't crank an e collar to 11 and blast my dog. Anyone who educates themselves on e collars know you shouldn't do that, which is why I said e collars are proven to work provided you know what you're doing

>>5127556
His dog is digging multiple holes, dummy, and he can't have her doing that, stupid

>>5127557
>i pwomise i wont use the shock function
Then it’s called a vibrating collar. e-collar is the polite boomer word for shock collar.
>noooo a mild shock feels like a pinch!
if you were always pinching your dog hard enough to get them to react what would most people correctly assume you were? that’s right, a retarded animal abuser.

>>5127559
>staggeringly low intellect strikes again
>you cant block off your dogs old holes and make them dig in just one spot. they dug multiple holes so you need to shock them!
This must be one of the 54% of americans that read below a 6th grade level

>>5127557
Okay, explain how you would use and ecollar to stop the digging

>>5127561
How did you go from "e collar to max power" to "won't use the shock function"? Be honest, have you ever seen e collar training?

>>5127563
You misunderstood what I wrote, and instead of just apologizing, you doubled down

>>5127565
When she goes to dig a hole, you stim her. I think when she stops she gets rewarded, with a treat or a toy, I'm not sure. I don't have an e collar, so I'm not well versed on the specific training steps. But I'll advocate for it if your dog is off leash since I know the benefits

For as often people defend shock colles by saying their setting doesnt hurt that much, i have never seen this in action. They try the mild setting that only hurts sort of badly, the dog ignores it because continuing to play is better than going back to the household of hasan piker jr, and then they get mad and turn it up. Sometimes they forget to turn it down and shock their dog hard the next time.

I also usually see normies laugh at their dogs reaction when they get shocked, especially if they’re small or look stupid.

I hope the feel guilty deep down inside, but mostly they’re always on the defense because they’re afraid of sane people banning shock collars and forcing them to deal with how badly they ruined their dogs behavior.

t. frequents dog parks, lives around boomers

>>5127565
I wouldn’t. I’d give my dog a designated digging spot instead of making a neglected outdoor dog even more understimulated.

>>5127570
User error :skull_emoji:

And stop going to dog parks. Just play with your dog yourself

>>5127569
>stim
The word is called shock or electrocute. It’s an electric shock. If you don’t have a problem with what shock collars do you shouldn’t have to make up newspeak words like it’s 1984.
>you can’t give your dog a digging spot and block their other ones with mesh. you have to punish them for digging.
>when your dog digs any hole anywhere shock them
That’s what you meant. See how straightforward it is?

>>5127572
>the error every shock collar user makes multiple times a day
>the same people seethe when its even theoretically possible shock collars might be limited or banned, leaving them with vibration or low power collars that can’t make the error
I don’t think it’s an error. :gb2boomerforum:
>stop being where people actually have to test their dogs training. you’re seeing too much reality there!

>>5127549
Companion dogs are tools used to fulfill their owners' social needs. They have to meet certain criteria to be fit for purpose. Failing to understand that is harmful to both people and dogs. It's why "cute" dogs get dumped when they start acting like their breed. It's why toddlers get their faces ripped off by shelter bloodsport dogs.

>>5127582
All dogs are basically the same, except for pitbulls and guard dogs. It doesn’t matter if they were bred for herding, duck hunting, sledding, or whatever, as long as it isnt dog fighting or guarding. Any non-pitbull dog can be happy doing normal dog things like hiking, digging, and swimming and the most variance is whether they’ll eat cats, squirrels, and unsupervised chickens or not (borzoi, greyhound, husky does, collie shepherd might, golden retriever doesnt, lab might a little etc). A basset was bred for badger hunting but they can just play fetch and find the treat, a terrier was bred for rat hunting but they’re as happy with squeaky toys.

But pitbulls can only be used for dog fighting, and guard dogs like pyrenees can only be used as roaming guard dogs, or they inevitably attack people and other dogs. It doesn’t matter how you treat a pitbull or any other dog bred for high levels of violence like a malinois or wolf hybrid - if it’s not being used only as a working animal it is a liability.

>>5127577
>>5127575
I've had my fill with engaging with you now. Reading your posts actually exhaust me

>>5127582
I guess it's a matter of perspective. I can understand why you'd see every dog as a tool, especially dog's whose purpose is to make their owner happy. It's kinda like how I believe selfless acts are actually partially selfish because these actions make the actor feel better, which is a partial reason for doing them

That being said, I wouldn't describe my dog as a tool. It's like calling your partner or boss tool

>>5127586
You're ignoring differences in stimulation needs and affection levels. A working line border collie would be a terrible fit for most homes. I like clingy dogs so I would not enjoy having an akita.

>>5127593
Yeah, it's probably my autism poking through.

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Fat fuck dog intently watching me eat my meal

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>>5127643
Knocked his ass out

>>5127643
dog is not fat stop giving eat disoprdbr

>>5127643
what SE game? 7rb?

>>5127666
oh nevermind that's a xehanort of some persuasion

>>5127667
Is Luxord a Xehanort? Do NOT answer that question

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>>5122210
Had to put my special boy down for biting me, I feel so fucking awful. I caught him taking a leak on the sofa, got made and had to give him a boot. He turned around and fucking bit me. I can't believe he did this and I'm so sorry I failed him, my heart is broken and it's all my fault I'm sorry

>>5127673
Now euthanize yourself for refusing to help your dog through a behavioral issue that YOU CAUSED by using physical punishment because YOU didn't bother to teach your dog wear the toilet is. Get a hamster or something next time as a pet. Twat.

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>>5127355
My Shepsky's in that age range. She's low energy, smart, very food motivated, easy to train, and clingy (but not cuddly). She doesn't care that much about toys and won't play unless I start running around acting crazy. She's also reactive towards dogs. I don't know what breed specific advice to give, but if yours is as "independent" as mine, it helps to teach them that you can always magically pull out a treat. Otherwise, they won't listen to you unless you show one.

Never had any dog that ever tried to act aggressive towards me
Any bites have only been from playing too rough

>>5127676
>>5127680
come on anons this isn't threads surely you can tell a joke

>>5127724
Same. I keep hearing people go on about how you should never put your face too close to a dog's or it'll attack you, don't touch/say/do XYZ, and all sorts of "your dog needs to be terrified of you or it'll dominate and be aggressive!!!!" and it's pretty obvious what the common denominator is. All of the dogs (and cats) that I've raised have been ragdolls and it's because they're not fuckin' scared of me.

>>5127727
>you should never put your face too close to a dog's
Impossible for me. Every dog I've ever had loved to try to lick my face. I could never not love them

>>5127727
All of those are dog abuser tips, for owners of abused dogs who continue to abuse their dogs instead of regaining their trust

The only 3 pro-abusive training /dog/ posters who actually posted their dogs turned out to be zoophiles btw. Its not a worldwide trend (or is it?) but fucking lol

not this shit again

I am reverting to islam. The dog shall go outside inshallah. My house is now guarded by Cats.

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Wassup, my niggas!

>>5127766
Based! Welcome back to the truth brother!

>>5127756
"You should never put your face close to a dog's" isnt a dog abuser tip, it's just good advice. I can do it to my dog because he trusts me, but if a dog doesn't trust you (i.e. lived with you since puppyhood), then it'll take that action the wrong way and nip you

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My sister is getting herself a new dog after her old one died some years ago.
Thats good, because she was clearly feeling lonely.

That being said her last dog was spoiled and had real bad behavior. I want to gift her a book on hoow to raise a dog properly.
Any recommendations? Also maybe any ideas on what dog literature to avoid?

I THINK its a cockapoo she's getting.

>>5127900
Dunno any specific books, but it's a fine idea

>dog is laying outside of my room
>his front leg is stuck under my door up to the elbow
>open the door to let him in
>he just stares at me like "what the fuck"
>ask him if he wants to come in
>he continues staring
>close the door

>>5127788
Shiny

>>5127900
I would bet good money that she will ignore the book and do exactly the same shit she did with her last dog. Buy yourself some beer instead.

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First time I've seen a breed club say the quiet part out loud, lmao.

My dog foams at the mouth when eating sometimes. That's normal right...? He's super eager to eat, that's for certain

Any advice for dealing with an older female dog who's still happy enough to not just put her down but the incontinence is driving me crazy? I've taken her to the vet and none of the pills work I do diapers but they seem to make her hips achy and they make her slip. It's just so much laundry constantly and the smell

>>5128107
OSS next time or delay the spay until after a couple heat cycles for next time and pray. Sadly that’s all you can do if the HRT pharmaceuticals don’t work.

>>5128108
Sucks but that's what I figured. My vet sister got all pissy at me when I suggested not spaying every fucking female dog the second you get them because it causes issues like this down the line. "Trust the science" as they say

I follow multiple small breed reddits because I'm a reddit faggot and like seeing people post their cute dogs. I swear not a week goes by without seeing someone post about their chihuahua or shihtzu getting attacked by a pit bull.

>>5128146
Uhm, labs bite more. Huskies are worse. Border collies are dangerous working dogs, not pets like nanny pitbulls. Chihuahuas are more aggressive and probably started it.

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>>5125160
>>5125212

This is my baby laika, she always makes the floor so dirty when it rains. But its impossible to get mad at this face

>>5128198
What face?

>>5128199
CUTE!

>>5128146
I never ever walk my dog unless I'm carrying. Better safe than sorry.

>>5128198
>>5128199
Slightly crossed eyes are the cutest shit.

Does she like to wrestle? Her cuteness inspires within me the strong urge to wrestle a dog.

>>5128238
She actually grew out of wrestling and physical play like that during puppyhood :( now the only one she likes to wrestle with is her sister (beagle name of charlie)

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>>5128259
Sad. Mine aren't into it either.

>>5128411
>>5128259
cuz they respect you
it's the same reason you don't go around decking your mom

Might be a dumb question but what's the best way to price compare vets in my area? Is there even an app or site that does it reliably? My dog had bladder stones that needed to be removed and it was expensive as hell and now I'm actively trying to find a solution to cutting down costs. I used a Petvet near me to finish her yearly boosters for the year and it was very cheap. Which saved me well over 500 dollars just doing that, so I'm glad I saved some money that way. But my other dog which is older is probably going to need dental work done at some point soon and I want to try and price compare that if possible. Any suggestions on how to do that?

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>>5122210
why are they so barky?

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>>5122357
we're going to get our second corgi, any recommendations to get them get along?
we hae a female , and the one we are going to adopt is a male
we already met him, he is very friendly but a little shy
his owner said that its better to the male to be more laydown than the female corgi

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>>5126165
cute dalmation

>>5128530
Scenthounds were sent out in a pack and would bay when they saw something.

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>>5127557
you're such a dumb owner if you need a, e-collar to train your dog, just dont have a dog if youre not prepared to have them

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>>5127569
stop normalizing torturing dogs, and start learning how to proper train them instead

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>>5127724
i've been bitten once,
or that's why i think
i really remember getting bitten by a chow chow i always saw when going back to home from school when i was a child
but i've never had any sign on my hand of bite
i think it was just a dream
but it was very real, i still think i got bitten that day

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>>5128019
i think some dogs do that, what breed is your doggy

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>>5128146
ngl, i'l love to have a chihuahua, but i always read they're impossible

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>>5128549
They're among the most backyard bred and the "good" breeders only breed the appleheads which have so many health issues simply due to brachycephaly + apple head. Maybe the ones in Mexico are decent.

>>5128545
Extremely ignorant take

>>5128545
Based and anti-abuse pilled take.

>>5128572
Dogs barely feel pain. This is fine

>>5128545
Disagree. I’ve trained a lot of dogs and there are a lot of good soft natured dogs that you can get by with the positive only method. There are also knuckleheaded assholes that need correction and the ecollar has always been my preference. There is no reach limitation like with a lead, you can condition them to the tone or vibration and that makes up 99% of corrections even for the retarded ones afterwards, and you can totally shut them down and create aversion in an emergency situation like snakes, porkies, etc.

>>5128614
Guys like him don't research proper e collar training, and instead form their opinions from Facebook memes or horror stories
>Inb4 samefag
Yes I'm replying to myself. And yes I'm the only person here who uses e and prong collars

>>5128614
>i lost my patience and didnt want to train a dog properly so i “had” to abuse a dog! the client was paying hourly bro!
/dog/ is the only thread on /an/ that defends animal abuse like this

>>5128620
How do you train a dog with high prey drive to recall while it's chasing something of interest? Assume it's off leash

This isn't a rhetorical question; I wanna know how you'd handle it

>>5128620
>Ive never trained anything but a show bred genetic train wreck
I’ve trained everything from pitbulls to hounds and all kinds of mongrels that came through the foster program. You learn the difference between working bred and pet bred real quick. My dogs are better trained than yours ever will be. Retards like you are dependent on backasswards watered down genetics to make your dog into something you can actually live with. Enjoy getting skunked when your mutt ignores your candy ass recall.
>>5128625
He can’t. His dog is never off leash. Ever. And then he calls us the abusers kek.

>>5128626
And you know it pisses me off that these guys have all these negative things to say about pitbulls and how they can't be changed, but then shit on the tougher training methods INTENDED for tougher dogs with crazy prey drive

>>5128629
Yup. Dont get me wrong the average breeding standard for pitbulls is limited to if the hood rat or trailer trash that owns it ever has to choose between a bullet over a $100 vet bill so there are plenty of trash ones that should be put down (I hate the blue ones because they’re so much more neurotic) but when retards that own a Dane that’s 60 lbs and 6 inches taller than the canine frame is actually capable of supporting to a healthy lifespan or some barking house slipper want to open their mouths it’s just hilarious. Their dogs aren’t actually trained. They’re just too lazy or impotent to be a problem.

Give them a blue tick or a German shorthair and they would pull their hair out kek.

>>5128625
Maybe don’t throw your dog into off leash shit before they’re trained?

Off leash dogs are illegal also. Keep that on your property for herding sheep.
>muh hunting
What would you "traditional" animal abusers ever do without more torturous hunting methods indeed

>>5128626
>i do it for other people and its faster
No wonder dog bite stats are the way they are

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>>5128625
The dogs with the highest prey drive (sighthounds) will COMPLETELY shut down if you use harsh or aversive methods with them. So there goes your theory. You like working, neurotic dogs because they are built to "take" your punishment until one day it bites. Not you, but someone else.

>>5128634
>>5128633
How would you train a high prey drive dog to recall to you every time? Assume you want to go to the dog park (for some reason) and he loves small animals

>>5128633
>Maybe don’t throw your dog into off leash shit
Told you this faggots dog has never run free
>I-its illegal
Not where I live fagboy
>H-herd sheep!
Fuck a goat pussy.
>H-hunting is le cruel!
Are we really going to get into the blatantly obvious dunking that comes with the hunting debate and why it’s morally superior to any other way of acquiring meat? If you’re a vegan you’re gay and a hypocrite. If you only eat meat from the store you’re gay and a hypocrite. Either way shut the fuck up you lost.
>You do it for other people!
I do it for the dogs faggot. My family have been taking in strays and rehoming them my entire life.
>No wonder dog bites-
Dude you’re a shitty trainer that’s never progressed beyond the tutorial.
>>5128634
>Greyhounds
Like them
>Highest prey drive
That hasn’t been my experience. I’ve seen many that will chase but they don’t go full retard deaf. They’re actually pretty biddable dogs in my experience.
>They shut down under harsh methods
Yes because they’re soft dogs. It’s not just about prey drive. It’s usually a combination of that and stubbornness but most greys really do want to please.

>>5128634
It’s probably the return of the "bvll dogs" guy. He only likes HAWGDAWGZ that were taken from friendly hound breeds and made more neurotic and aggressive. A lot of "dog people" are unironically into dogs because it’s a way to do socially acceptable animal abuse (within rural deep south circles), ie: using dogs to corner animals before stabbing them and think dogs are pointless without animal abuse sports. It’s a power thing. They also gravitate towards "K9s/PPDs" when they’re less poor (these have never worked better than guns, or fists btw).

>>5128637
Anyone can google that, so why google it for you?

>>5128639
Hick confirmed. 200% talking about neurotic hog dogs and mailman maulers that shouldn’t have ever been bred. Yeah when you undo domestication dogs get worse at cooperating with people and then you "need" a shock collar because spending two years on recall isn’t viable. That’s your retarded little subculture’s fault, fagboy. Ya’ll.

>>5128641
>why google it for you?
He said using an e collar for off leash dog training was improper training. I want to know what I need to do to properly train a high prey drive dog so I can take him places off leash. I really just want to know what he would do

>>5128637
Assuming you haven't poisoned recall yet (your dog ignored you and took off after a squirrel multiple times already)
>Use the highest value treat or you have and gradually increase distance + difficulty
>keep a long line on to ensure they can't "get" what they want and reinforce ignoring recall
>when they even slightly look your way, start cheering like they made the greatest achievement in the history of dogs and then treat + play with toy
and most of all
>don't be a retard and let your dog off leash in an area with cars and a million distractions, like the dog park right away. Or ever, really
But that's boring and slow, let me just shock my dog when he sees a deer instead.

>>5128639
Hunting is the second most immoral way to acquire meat after factory farms. Most hunted animals die horribly and in fear. They are smarter and more willful than livestock. Just raise livestock that’s been bred to the point of not caring and kill it kindly like a civilized man.

>>5128644
Hunters are also horrid for wild gene pools since they refuse to target weak and slow animals

Yeah, sure, killing the biggest and therefore the best survivors is probably how we got cows and shit, but we already have cows and shit.

>>5128644
Hunting is the best way, are you being retarded on purpose?

>>5128643
What if my dog values "prey" over my treats?

>>5128647
Increase the distance or make the prey looking item less interesting
If what really sets them off is movement, you will need another person or some kind of motorized prey animal looking toy and practice while it's still, then moving

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>>5128641
>Bvll dogs
Actually I prefer bird dogs. Pits are just the most common breeds in shelters so yeah I’ve dealt with a fuck load of them. This is my pointer playing with some pit mix puppies that stayed with me for a few weeks.
>Made more aggressive and neurotic
You talking about curs? I do like them but they’re not super common where I live. No pigs. We get more of the squirrel chasing kind and feists outnumber them 3-1 because they’re objectively better at the job.
>A lot of “dog people”
Are just retards that buy a pet they think looks cool and the market at large has bred them down into absolute uselessness. Then they overfeed them milk bones and teach them to shit outside and think the job is done. That’s you.
>Animal abuse
Again. Hunting shits on factory farming and veganism. You’re just a pussy. It’s okay. It’s not okay to be a mad pussy. That’s you. A pussy. That’s mad. Kek.
>Its a power thing
Oh yeah. The 55 lbs bird dog is a total penis replacement kek. Not the 200 lbs Great Dane. Nope. The bird dog. Fuck you people are hilarious.
>K9/PPDs
Nah I own a gun and have kids. Watch dogs I appreciate. Man biters I have zero interest in owning. Hard pass on that liability. I’ve taken in a few but never kept one. I’ve looked into some of the bite sports because you get a good look into how to handle hyper dominant and driven dogs and how to handle nerve bags (more common issue in my experience) and shockingly enough they all agree with me. Crazy the guys running the hardest dogs all agree with me and they all disagree with you.
>Undoing domestication
If turning a dog into a health disaster that dies at 8 is domestication then yeah I’m cool with that.

Or instead of arguing about all this we just agree that you’re the fucking basic ass beginner level dog owner that doesn’t want or need to own or train a dog above the basic bitch standard that you have.

>>5128649
>If what really sets them off is movement, you will need another person or some kind of motorized prey animal looking toy and practice while it's still, then moving
Dude, I gotta say, there are better methods. I'm sure this stuff'll work, but it's frankly so much work that can be condensed down. If this was a scenario I was actually struggling with, I would be screwed. I don't have other people, and I'm not sure how to emulate another dog/animal running around. I guess we can just agree to disagree

>>5128652
You don't have ONE other guy in your life who can wave around a plush furred toy while you train recall? Come on dude, really?

>>5128654
>Toys and other dogs are the same
See this is reason number one not to take your dog to a dog park. That shit will not stop a dog that wants to chase a squirrel let alone a dog that has actual aggression issues towards other dogs.

>>5128655
Not sure where I implied otherwise - reactivity is a separate issue. If your dog is reactive, you can still train recall that way but need different methods for recalling your dog from what makes them reactive.

>>5128654
Why do I need friends when I have a dog?

>>5128644
>Most hunted animals die horribly
A bullet is better than a coyote or drowning yourself to stop the fever or starving to death because your teeth fall out at about 9 years (if they’re lucky)
>Theyre smarter than livestock
Deer aren’t any smarter than cows let alone pigs.
>Theyve been bred to the point of not caring
Uh they most definitely care.
>Kill it kindly
Not a thing. There’s dying bad, dying less bad, living free, and living in a cage. I prefer things live free and die less bad.
>>5128645
>Hunters don’t target weak and slow animals
The fuck? You realize that we specifically target big bucks because it takes 4-7 years for them to reach their prime right? If they are going to pass on their genes it’s done by that point. Antlers dont just shrink back down to forks when they get old. Hogs, bears, etc don’t even have any major features beyond size to make them trophy worthy. Turkey only live three years in the wild and turkey hunters find young jakes to be an annoyance not a goal. Quail only live like a year. Pheasant are an introduced species so who gives a fuck. Grouse and waterfowl dont exhibit any outward sign of age and shot on the wing so you ain’t shooting the big ones first by any means kek. Holy shit this is retarded.
>Killing the biggest and best is how we got cows
Anon…that’s…are you really that fucking retarded? That’s not how that happened and that’s not how domestication works.

>>5128469
>>5128469
>>5128469
Anyone?

>>5128661
I didn't reply because I had the same experience trying 3 different vets who gave me similar quotes for my yearly check-ups. You can find cheaper places to neuter/vaccinate with some looking, however.

>>5128656
And again that’s not going to be enough to stop a dog that wants to chase birds.
>Dog reactivity
See I hate that term because it’s used as a catch all for what causes a dog fight. Some dogs go picking fights. I don’t think they’re “reactive.” I think they’re actively aggressive. Not that guttural deep barking fuck off type of dog. I’m talking about the high pitched squealing to go kill something kind of dog. How would you train that kind of dog to recall in that situation?

>>5128660
A bullet for the strong is worse overall than letting nature take care of the weak, sick, and dying.

Your stupid philosophy (which is literally liberalism but misapplied to wild animals) has no connection to reality btw.

>>5128664
>dog reactivity is fighting
smartest shock collar fan

>>5128660
>hunter propaganda
you retards have been and remain worse than natural predation. its a grift.
>need tags to fund conservation so taxes can fund israel!

>>5128664
Sure. There is the reactive dog who whines because he wants to meet every dog, there is the one snarling and barking because he wants other dogs to stay away, and there is the one who genuinely wants to fight other dogs.
>Some dogs go picking fights. I don’t think they’re “reactive.” I think they’re actively aggressive.
At that point there is nothing you should be doing than holding the leash and keeping your dog away, but let's say you let go of the leash. (A dog like that should always be walked with a muzzle, but let's say that isn't in the picture either.) If you worked hard enough on classically conditioning and use something like an ultrasonic whistle alongside high value rewards for recall, you should still get SOME kind of response, like acknowledgement, and then you do all you can to get your dog back and the other guy to take his dog away.
This hypothetical makes little sense, since most of us don't own that type of dog and likely have the brains to muzzle it before it kills another one. Bully breeds won't let go once they bite even if you start hitting them in the head with a hammer, so an aversive like an electric shock would likely be ineffective.

>>5128669
>Letting nature
The idea that you aren’t a part of nature is the problem here. You are. I don’t know what kind of fucked up backwards libfag moral teachings failed you in life to get you to this point but you suck as a person.
>A bullet for the strong
You have no idea how wild ungulates exist at all do you?
>Your stupid philosophy
No. It’s not stupid. It’s an objective fact. Getting shot hurts less than being ripped apart, starving, getting hit by a car and dying with your back broken on the side of the road, or a disease frying your brain to the point that you drown yourself. Living free is vastly superior to living in a cage. A dog running free in the open and being able to explore is a better life for that dog than living in a house with a small back yard (if that) and walking around the block on a leash once a day at best.

>>5128674
>A dog running free in the open and being able to explore
That doesn't happen, because you have already mind-raped the dog into a state of learned helplessness by using aversives for training. This is all clinically backed, so feel free to dismiss it for that reason.

>>5128674
>brooo duuuude we’re all part of nature man
Woah ok there tonto, lay off the dope
>let’s fuck with god’s system and kill the big strong animals because those chuds have had enough sex and its less suffering (the basis of hedonism aka mainstream neoliberalism, which applies human ethics to animals because its anudda shoah or something)
You are libtarded as fuck, pardner. Those giant old bucks with superior genes are meant to reproduce until they can’t, not until you’re hungry but feel too libtarded to just buy a steak from an honest american farmer and would rather give your money to the government.

Lower your tone, shave your beard, and remove the trucker cap from your head before speaking to me, pretti boy.

>>5128674
>a dog running free getting zapped because its owner was too impatient to train them properly and insisted on adopting an aggressive breed
Here’s your fellow communist anon
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EeTDf6Anakg

>>5128670
>T-the Jews!
And there it is. You lose so you invoke Israel. Tedious little faggot.
>>5128671
I appreciate this actual response. And that’s where we disagree. You can in fact put the brakes on a dog like that. Yes the ecollar works even on pitbulls with proper conditioning. I’ve done it with a dozen of them. Pain thresholds and drive aren’t just magically amped up to 11. They perceive another dog, close the distance, and engage. If you can’t stop them before the fight starts it gets a lot harder. It’s just got to be applied quickly to remind them “oh shit yeah dad said I can’t do that.” That perception and closing time frame is when you can introduce the aversion. Eventually (usually pretty quickly in my experience) it turns into active avoidance which may not be ideal but we’re talking about damage mitigation here not socialization.
>Most of us don’t own a dog like that
I’ve owned and fostered a lot of dogs like that. There’s one in almost every shelter in America. The big issue is shelters are run almost exclusively by middle aged retired white women used to training collies and labs positive only and don’t know what to do with them until they’re adopted to a “single dog home” and some ladies yanked off her feet so it can kill the neighbors doodle. The sad thing is it’s such a simple fix but nobody wants to be the bad guy. So someone’s dog gets eaten and someone else’s dog gets put down. Great job.

>>5128679
>we need to normalize animal abuse to save the shitbulls
All training fails. You can’t use shock collars to prevent a pitbull from killing someone when you’re not around. Or even when you are. They aren’t a bandaid and never will be. They’re for people who need 99% out of dogs specifically bred for dangerous jobs - real jobs, not stupid hobbies like wildly inefficient and cruel pig sticking methods.

When they aren’t pitbulls they weren't dangerous until a stint with an “alpha male” owner who used “corrections” (compliance through pain) and “training tools” (devices that cause dogs pain)

>>5128679
Epstein used shock collars too :^)

Just not on his dogs. Even he was better than that. It was for trump.

>>5128675
>You mind raped the dog
Nah he learned to stay the fuck away from snakes, porcupines, and skunks. I haven’t had to give my bird dog the juice since he was 2 and that was for lack of opportunity for the aversion. Beats the absolute shit out of taking him to the vet to pull quills or unskunking him. Mostly the ecollar is just there for the gps and so I can tone him to let him know it’s time to get back to the truck or house.
>Clinically backed
By lying faggots like you with a retarded agenda
>>5128677
>Were not a part of nature
Cityfags are so tiresome
>Autistic screech
When pussies get mad it’s really funny. Are you British? This is bong level disconnect kek.
>Lower your tone
We’re typing retard
>Shave your beard
Grow one. You can’t can you? Kek. You fags are so easy.
>>5128678
Yeah Hasan is the definition of a faggot that doesn’t know how to use an ecollar.

>>5128685
>facts that make my lame larp hobby look bad are… agenda something durrrrr
Damn you liberals are stupid. You’re not a native american. Settle down, go to church, and farm like a civilized man and guess what, you won’t have to go around shocking dogs and guiltily defending dog shocking because you wanted to go engage in an optional larp without training your dog better first.

>>5128682
>All training fails
True. It’s a repetition exercise. The consequences of your dog not sitting for a treat are a lot lower than your dog getting into a fight, getting quilled, getting snake bit, getting skunked, or running off into the wilderness and dying. Those are all very “no failure no fuckup” scenarios that are very real that have to be addressed very seriously and very quickly.
>They aren’t a bandaid
Nothing is perfect. What I am saying is when you have a true asshole on your hands you can absolutely reshape that active aggression to avoidance the vast majority of the time. Sometimes avoidance is the best you can do but usually yes you can rework the dog from there. The truth is they’re just really dumb and it takes a pretty strong reminder for their brains to register that they’re doing something wrong. They usually keep a really switched on stare for a while when they see strange dogs but they also learn to stay close to you and eventually they usually just chill out and figure out other dogs aren’t on the menu.
>When they aren’t pitbulls
Eh. I’ve had mutts (admittedly usually pit mutts like every other mutt but hardly game bred and definitely not hog dogs) that fit the bill from puppies. Some of them are just born retarded. Chain bred mutt to chain bred mutt. One of the worst was the German Shorthair. She was a stubborn bitch about food possessiveness that we eventually fixed but the real issue was she would go after the epileptic mutt mid seizure and there wasn’t really any way to replicate that in training. That one got her the zap treatment because we couldn’t have it happen in the middle of the night. No growls no squealing just straight for the throat. Fuck that sucked.

>>5128686
>Faggot seethe
Kek
>Farm
Done. Can you fuck off already now? You’re missing precious time with your shitty bred dog that’s going to die soon.

>>5128693
>we need to abuse animals to save the shitbulls
kek

>>5128695
You never even responded to the actual argument. Human hunting is bad. It is of lower moral character than the humane slaughter of animals that don’t live in fear, and worse for the environment because it prematurely culls the healthiest animals.

You can’t apply human morals to wild animals and say this is good because it’s less suffering. It’s worsening the environment overall and you, the human, the only thing with real moral value, are actively habituating yourself to being crueler and reveling in the terror of the animals you dominate rather than solemnly accepting the necessary end of the unaware animals you must subsist off of to acquire energy from chaff/non-arable land and ensure your body grows and functions properly.

Hunting is the fundamental divide between civilized and non-civilized men. Civilized men strive to make life better for people. Uncivilized men learn to look forward to having to cause harm and begin to see "justifiable" opportunities everywhere.

>>5128662
Well if you're in the same situation I am and in the united states, if you have a tractor supply near you they should have a petvet that offers very low cost pet vaccinations. I didn't even know it existed and only found it after some time researching online. Tractor supply stores do nothing to advertise it either. It's just word of mouth and online really. Mine has vaccinations open every sunday morning. It's not the solution to everything but it does save some money.

>>5128702
>You never responded to the argument
No I did you’re just being willfully retarded because you don’t like being wrong
>Hunting is le bad
Caging up animals, forcing them to live in shit, and absolutely do live in fear is bad
>Worse for the environment
Objectively not true. The amount of animals killed just harvesting the feed that goes to those farmed animals astronomically dwarves hunting and promotes monocropping.
>Prematurely cull the healthiest animals
That have already passed on their genes. It’s actually a lot more complicated than that but you can’t seem to fathom hunting beyond deer so I’ll keep it simple for you in that context. The smart deer go nocturnal during the season to avoid hunters. The dumb deer stay crepuscular and get eaten. Theres actually a fuck ton of variance in herd management dependent on location and habitat but yeah there ya go. You’re still a retard.
>You can’t apply human morals to wildlife
No I’m applying it to humans interaction with wildlife and with domesticated animals faggot
>Its worsening the environment
Again. You are retarded. Observably provably retarded.
>Cruelty
Cruelty is having to cut the skin on a steers nose that grew over the halter that was left on too long. That’s what you advocate for you retard.
>You dominate
You mother
>Unaware animals
Wrong
>Subsist off bullshit land
Again wrong. We bulldoze forests to clear room for cattle feed crops all the time.
>Civilized
You aren’t civilized you’re just a tedious little faggot
>Uncivilized men
Cover their eyes and ears like you and ignore the damage and actual cruelty they cause. Being a little bitch and hiding from the reality doesn’t make it not reality. It just makes you a little bitch. And hey if you just said “yeah I don’t like going in the woods and killing shit” I’d be like “cool bro” but instead you’re gay enough to try to moralfag your way out of being a pussy

>>5128706
i never said factory farms were good.
confirmed retarded.
>Those deer chuds already bred!
They breed every year to ensure their genes stay dominant. Human hunters kill them earlier while worse deer survive (fewer natural predators) which is effectively selectively breeding unhealthy deer.

>we bulldoze forests doe!
I’ll take fewer, healthier forests over inadvertently domesticated, unhealthy, and retarded forests bringing you back to step two: civilizing whether you want to or not, again. You’re just behind the curve and enjoy the added cruelty and callousness you “have” to engage in to maintain the larp.

>dog abuser is a hunter
not surprised kek

Why are there so many bleeding heart babies in here? I know you guys love animals, but come the fuck on

>>5128693
> the real issue was she would go after the epileptic mutt mid seizure and there wasn’t really any way to replicate that in training. That one got her the zap treatment because we couldn’t have it happen in the middle of the night. No growls no squealing just straight for the throat
Dogs like this are supposed to be euthanized. Not ~saved~. You will certainly shriek about zoosadism but good breeds do not stay good by saving every violent retard. Your way undoes domestication and makes dogs as a whole more violent and less trustworthy.

All those shit dogs in shelters have already been zapped, pronged, and hit to ~save them from being put down :3 by truly good people UwU~. Once removed from the regime they revert to their natural, dangerous behavior. They should be put down. And should have been put down to begin with because obviously, they are breeding before they hit the shelter’s neutering program.

Dog bite fatalities have gone up every year since no-kills started spreading. Your philosophy breeds dogs that can not be pets. People like you create middle eastern countries - hard line traditionalism and then surprise, 5000 rabies deaths per year because the discipline needing dogs cant be cared for, only chained outside, because domestication was reversed 1000 years ago and people got fucking sick of caring for the shitty dogs that kill their friends if not beat into submission.

>be me
>own super prey driven dog
>keep them on a leash and harness
>train them with food and verbal corrections
>they never lunge at children
>they never attack other dogs, not even when they’re small and have syncopes or seizures
>because any mutants like that were killed last century
>after a few years of training they are an adult dog and can be recalled off leash but will still nab a pest rabbit if they can do it quickly
>good, saves my garden
>retard hunter with confused ethics itt would still want me to shock my dog for buying their own dog food

>>5128891
why are they always so mad at you

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>>5128899
cuz I'm posting them on this board.
They only tolerate it because i don't join in any of the "conversations"

>>5128899
Theyve learned the difference between say cheese and you want cheese.

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Rate my little buddy

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>>5128548
GSD mutt. I got him allergy medicine. He's been doing that since I've been giving him those regularly

>>5128928
Very cute. Is he a good boy?

>>5128912
8.5/10 very handsome

>>5128896
Something that bothers me about no kill is all of the decent dogs that can't find homes because of shelters pushing garbage onto the public. Ignorant people get deceived by emotionally manipulative organizations and then they're single dog homes until Maulie dies. And then once she does, you've got to hope that they're willing to adopt again. You could have adopted two dogs and a cat out to that home, you greedy shortsighted fucks.

>>5128953
Hahahaha no, he's kinda an asshole. Very charming though. Everyone loves him, but he hates humans

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>>5128614
youre a bad trainer if you need to abuse/hit a dog to train them

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>>5128639
why would you let your dog run free if isnt trained well ?
right, youre a shitty trainer with an ecollar thinking the ecollar is going to do your job meanhile the dog is attacking people just for fear of being electrecuted

and then you post like you think you're doing some great training job lmao

stop abusing animals

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>>5129012
cool 'zois, bro

>>5129007
>>5129012
Have you ever used an e collar or looked at proper e collar training? I'm actually curious

Spare me the backhanded insults please. I'm just asking a simple question

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>>5128912
>>5128913
Eleven tier good boy/10