How can anyone claim to love animals, and then dedicate their life to "preserving" this screw tail, brachycephalic, barrel body, short limbed, squat, ambling, deformed vertebrae, hanging haw, skin fold dermatitis, mitty tier suffering abomination? Because some Victorian faggot wrote a breed standard? Oh, and they are "line bred" from their uncles to nieces or even siblings if a particular one has the "winning" look. You take one of the most aesthetic forms in all of mammalia (natural canids) and turn it into this farting snoring pugly freak? Is this about making them feel better about themselves? Bull baiting has been illegal for centuries.
>>5131531They look so retarded, I love this
>>5131531>t. mad that he doesnt own a pvre breed pristine pedigree pomeranian and has to settle with a half chihuahua skinnier mutt with less defined and slimy body hair instead of all the FINE FUR
50% of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels have a genetic heart valve defect and will just keel over and die one day. Not to mention the microcephalic problems. Responsible breeding should always put physical soundness first.
>>5131547>MUH FLOOF DOE >he says, as he has to clean matted shit clung to his yapping rat's asshole for the third time this week
>>5131531You're just pissed off you don't get to go to the bulldog factory like us Kennel Club card carrying members.
>>5131651https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP34NiC-NJ0
>It can't be bargained with>It can't be reasoned with>It doesn't feel joy, peace, or even breath>It will absolutely not ever stop farting or dribbling, ever, only until you are absolutely seething
>>5131531That particular bulldog standard was a direct result of bull baiting being outlawed; all the "real" bulldogs got bred into various other breeds (occasional sighthounds that hunt for "bravery") - mostly into terriers to create the bull and terrier because they were cheaper basicallyThe actual bulldog was a lot more functional though it still had the underslung bite and moderate brachycephaly, but it looked like a compact squashed mastiff (ultimately what it is, because a standard mastiff frame was too long and ended up getting wrecked by bulls) to "modern" bull breed with less terrierness or something looking something like a slightly bulkier, shorter boxer
>>5131697This. There are some examples of the old breed today that still exist and they have miles better health.
>>5131543Victorian times retard spotted
>>5131704Mate, that thing still is unhealthy and probably struggles to breathe after a walk around the block. Why do we care about what dog is more “fit” to engage in animal cruelty that was outlawed in the 1800s?
>>5131704There's a few "reconstructions" with small admixture from Bullmastiff, APBT (this should be minimised to avoid "terrier") and American Bulldog, but this one is fairly healthy and "accurate" enough to the bulldog "standard" to still very much remain the dog that people think of even with the modern bulldog
>>5131729Anecdotal evidence, but I've seen a lot more of them around lately, along with "English Bulldogs" that are clearly a lot healthier and "off standard" and they handle exercise quite well, can actually exist in hot weather (I still don't recommend it). Yeah sure another type of dog is probably healthier, but the compromise of "reinvigorating" the "show" Bulldog to actually be able to function again is better than nothing in my opinionOf course there may still be the knee problems, and that seems to even be irrelevant of "healthy" weight, every dog from a bulldog/mastiff background it seems had a solid chance of CCL problems, no matter how otherwise healthy they seem to be. The hip problems do seem to be gone, as well as they can now give live birth and live to 12 instead of 5I understand your point to an extent, but I have a sneaking suspicion that your some sort of spitz purist autist. It's also not a given that you can even fix a breed as far gone as the English Bulldog, as the genetic problems are so fixed at that point that outbreeding might just result in "you now have a dog with the exact same problems, plus the weird rare abnormalities you introduced from the new stock"It might not fit your standards of purity and health, but the very least the original bulldog was a vigorous "fit" dog (then again even the Bullmastiff was up until fairly recently and still somewhat is, until they're suddenly not and keel over at 3 in the prime of apparent physical fitness, so that u shaped survivorship curve could apply too), so show breeding to weird standards really fucking destroys dogs for sure. Look at German Shepherds (even ignoring physical deformity intentionally engineered), I'd imagine the "real" ones have an inherent neurotic quality to them that's perhaps necessary for their line of work, but the terrible breeding has turned them into complete fucking nutcases
>>5131814From a materialist lense it makes sense too. Normies arn't going to pay heaps of money for a dog with median age of 5 years and the backyard breeding scene is fully invested in bullys than actual bulldogs. They are stuck in a niche that commands high price for a shortlived animal that is bred as a domestic companion, unlike something like a doberman which despite chronic heart failure have use beyond a living barrel of wrinkles.
>>5131815Funny you mention Bullys because they're the opposite presentation but actually nearly the same thing, blacks market them as pitbulls to brag about "my 160lb pitbull" but they have the same APBT (about 10%) admixture (other than "classics") as the "new" bulldogs but (XLs/"bulkier" ones) are essentially just American Bulldog + English Bulldog for bone girth (+various differing mastiffs in XLs; they're supposed to be "true breeding" but the mastiff(s) of choice definitely differs, I've seen a few that undeniably have Presa Canario for example and most don't)The end result is actually essentially the Bulldog with a "long" snout and "overbite" (again if you pay close attention you can actually see a very slight undersling in some of them)They're actually surprisingly healthy dogs too, because even the less extreme versions ARE a little too bone heavy and overmuscled, but of course then there's "extremes" and bizarre instagram meme subbreeds like (Pocket x XL) to create intentional freaks, so they speedran the English Bulldog meta in like 20 years (or shorter if you're taking the point of complete divergence to truebreeding and standardisation) Funny that you'll simultaneously have problems in them by autistic adherence to "type" and standard, and inbreeding, as well as by outbreeding for stupid shit like merle coats which can't conceivably be an "allowed" colour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnE8EkevHncevery dog without a level topline is going to have back, joint, and hip issues. every single one.
>>5131651look at them all coming off the production linesuch great quality control on the lil' guys
Most breeders are either stupid, greedy, or both. So of course their breeding will be done without purpose, or for a corrupted purpose. There are eugenic kennels out there though if you look hard enough.
>>5131531What a heckin cute doggo.
>>5131697>The actual bulldog was a lot more functional though it still had the underslung bite and moderate brachycephaly, but it looked like a compact squashed mastiff True
>>5133658It's funny that the American Bully (the non "classic" low APBT admixture types) has essentially just recreated the "original" bulldog and has now speedrun returning to "showring" abomination Bulldog with the "exotic" types
>>5131547Poms are so cute I love them ;~;
>>5133710They're a ruined breed.
>>5133800And so are you jeet
>>5133806Problem?
>>5131531I love these goofy fugly dipshits but they should not be bred. It’s a shame that the dog equivalent of a real british geezer is so unhealthy but I guess it fits the part
>>5131531blame dog shows>kennel club defines breed as having certain features>shows judge entrants based on how prominently they exhibit these traits>breeders are therefore motivated to exaggerate these traits as much as possiblethey're not "preserving" anything so much as just turning the dog into a caricature of itself
>>5134961I "understand" why they do this even if it's retarded, look at Dogue DeBordeaux, Cane Corsos, Bullmastiffs,Presa Canarios, even Great Danes from even 90 years ago and they all look like the same dog, it is inevitable that a breed "enthusiast" tries to concentrate the small features that differentiate their chosen breed and it inevitably gets out of hand
>>5135509The funny thing is that the exageration pipeline is massive in the cat breeding/show scene too, but not as many people know or notice it. Modern Persians are a common example people parrot, but what people don't bring up is that the flat face is as new as the 1950s-1960s, with Himalayans and Exotic Shorthairs following suit after. Persians prior to then didn't even have the "Doll face", they were just very long/soft coated cats. Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum with Oriental Shorthairs/Siamese with extremely long faces in the 1970s, again incredibly new. Sphynxs have existed throughout history spontaneously but were established as a mainline breed in the 1970s. Maine Coons, commonly declared by some as one of the oldest cat breeds in North America, went extinct by the 1950s. Cat "fanciers" then tried to reconstruct breed all the way up to the 1970s, but the new breed was made way bigger than the original stock which has only grown larger overtime.
>>5134961>rightHow does it see? How much does it drool?
>>5136988>How does it see?Ask an asianHow much does it drool?The default is that it constantly drools, you should be asking how much does it not drool
