Welcome to /plant/, the happy green place on this blue board, where growers, gardeners and horticulturists share their love for things that grow.Newbies and amateurs are very welcome, and we’ll always try to answer your questions.>Flora of the Worldhttp://www.worldfloraonline.org/>Plants of the World Onlinehttps://powo.science.kew.org/>Hardiness zoneshttps://www.plantmaps.com/>Plant ID Siteshttps://identify.plantnet.org/https://wildflowersearch.org/>Pests and Diseaseshttps://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/advice-searchhttps://www.growveg.com/plant-diseases/us-and-canada/>Thousands of Botanical Illustrationshttp://www.plantillustrations.org/>Cacti and Succulentshttps://worldofsucculents.com/https://www.cactiguide.com/https://www.succulentguide.com/>Carnivorous plantshttps://botany.org/home/resources/carnivorous-plants-insectivorous-plants.htmlhttps://carnivorousplants.org/grow/guides>Alpine plantshttps://www.alpinegardensociety.net/plants/>Roses, Clematis and Peonieshttps://www.helpmefind.com>Pondshttps://www.wildlifetrusts.org/actions/how-build-pond>How to Make a Terrariumhttps://terrariumtribe.com/diy-terrarium-guide/Previously on /plant/ >>5114032
Would sedum make a good living mulch for vegetables?
>>5132767looks like milkweedsave the monarchs
>>5130332It's super interesting to watch.Almost every day I see something new. Like how it decided that the original stem isn't needed anymore now.
Stupid phone
I just put my yucca outside on my southwest facing balcony. I live in the northern hemisphere so this place gets full sun from morning to late in the afternoon. it has been kept indoors for the past two years. will it survive in this spot, or should I place it somewhere shadier?
>>5133032(I know, I should've dusted off the leaves before taking the picture)
>>5133032plants need to build up adaptations to their environment, especially to blue and UV lightyou should give it time-limited exposure to build up its tolerance
>>5133038appreciate your advice, brother, I'll ease it in slowly then
>>5132774Newbie here. I started getting interested in /plants/ a couple months ago, and this is my little cuttings crate. I know nothing, so it's going to be a lot of trial and error and a pinch of internet wisdom.The censored part is just a Plus Code I added to keep track of the source trees' location.Let's see if you can identify them all.
>>5133112What roses are those?
>>5133048THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
>>5133117Actually, you tell me. Pic related is the original. I got the cutting because I enjoyed its fragrance.
What is that funny little spirally thing that's crawling out of my pumpkin plant?
>>5133316Put it around your dick and don't move for a couple weeks
>>5133248Looks like a modern rose. Google suggest 'Bienvenue' which seems like a good match. Have the cuttings rooted?
No fucking way.. it happened again..Dropping a thing on a very potent new growth..>>5133316A feeler that latches on and tells the main stem it's good to continue growing its path. Look at tomato and grape vines.
>>5131564>>5131607I guess I don't know nearly as much as I thought I did. I assume you're well-researched enough to know not to use miracle gro peat, but maybe your peat is contaminated with salt or something. You could try flushing it with distilled water and draining it to clear out anything.
How can I clip whatever this is and propagate it elsewhere? I have no idea if it’s a Chinese Evergreeen or some amalgamation but it’s just been sitting in this for over 4 years with nothing but slight water top offs lmao.
>>5133348>Have the cuttings rooted?I think so. It's still alive after over a month, and offers some resistance if I pull.
I know nothing about aquaculture but I do have a forested backyard full of gnats and mosquitos and when this crossed my desk I got pretty interested.What are some simple water based plants I can grow in a wide plastic tub, about two feet deep?Preferably something that's sort of fire and forget. Im in zone 6A
>>5133726here you go broeasy aquatic plants bucket zone 6anow you can just copy it into google instead of typing
>>5133730Damn, you sure showed me. Sorry, I'll leave you to your clearly riveting conversation I must have disrupted.
I ended up with more lemon tree seedlings than expected, so I potted them and brought them indoors, then placed them close to a south-facing window (it has evening sun, and a reasonable amount of indirect light the rest of the day).Is this good enough?
>>5133454Make sure you have a node, otherwise it won't root.
>>5133732Just ask ask some AI chatbot since that's where you got that imbecilic picture from
>>5133835Indirect light indoors essentially amounts to deep shade. Why arent you keeping thel outdoors? They need all the light they can get.
>>5133726it's mostly a bad idea if you are concerned with mosquitos. dragonfly lifecycles are too long and it's easy for predators to take them out when they emerge from the water. only go for some kind of pond if you really like the idea of having a pond
>>5133885I already have a lot of them outside. It was either that or discard them. I thought it could be an interesting experiment.
I would like to say that i really like plants.
>>5134125That's cool.
>>5134125I'm in my druid arc, big fan of life in generalNot mine of course, just in general
>>5134125Plants are cool when they become like a fractal, physalis grisea for example. The main stem splits into two, then those two split into two and those two and those two. Becoming a real life fractal.
I hate plants.
Native plants killed my parents
>>5134217they didn't listen
>>5134411I like how the left half is "I mean... it COULD kind of... reduce inflammation, I guess" and then the right half is listing all the ways it will probably poison you
HenloWhat is a small, slow growing plant that doesn't need much light to not etiolate?Something that can live a nice life living on a shelf with a normal lightbulb pointed at it
>>5134463https://www.reddit.com/r/succulents/
>>5134468Stupid dumb retard
>>5134463get yourself some moss
>>5134736that really doesn't seem very satisfying to keep...
>>5134463If it's an LED, you could get something like an african violet, and it'll make cute litte blooms all year round as long as you fertilize it right
>>5122770One month later update and they seem to be growing fine. I had a lot of trouble getting the Ginkgo to stand up (It's why I didn't really manage to get it right in the center of the pot) and it seems to growing to the side a lot which I find weird. Putting them up there I honestly thought they would be getting a lot of direct sunlight since two of four walls are mostly just windows but I guess because of the position they're mostly entirely out of it. Which is fine for summer I guess since here it can easily get 39C+ and I doubt that's going to be good for them. They should be good in those pots until next spring I believe as I think their grow rate slows down during summer.
>"hey plebbit check out muh wildlife garden!">it's some shitty tiny suburban plot of land with a couple coneflowers and rudbeckias sticking out of the mulch
>>5135108i too use the least recognizable name for echinacea and black eyed susan
I too go onto reddit to find posts I know I won't like so that I can post about them on 4chanOh wait, no I don'tBecause that's fucking insane
How do you deal with repotting plants in soil that's turned into concrete? I ended up with a bunch of ancient houseplants that've been been potted with no maintenance in 20-30 years. The dirt they're in is rock hard and barely absorbs water. Do I soak the root ball until I can break up this shit or what?
>>5135319hammer, obviously
>>5135319Fully submerge the rootball in a bucket or something till all the air bubbles are gone.
>>5135319Warm water will soak in faster than cold.
>>5135319pee on it
So I just ran into a random person who gave me a scotch bonnet seedling out of the blue. I guess I'm growing face melting peppers now.
>>5135407It's your duty to save the seeds and give out more seedlings next year.
>>5134887Weird no one's pointed it out to you yet but that is absolutely not a Ginkgo tree, just some weed. I've been germinating my own set of Ginkgo's this year, they look totally different. To germinate Ginkgo seeds you need to wrap them in a wet paper towel and store them in a plastic container kept at room temp for like 3 months. As the seed absorbs water it will swell and the halves of the shell will start to separate. The embryo in the seed undergoes a secondary maturation after it's fallen off the tree, that's why it takes a couple months. The first leaves will be fairly big and unmistakably Ginkgo. See pic related.
https://youtu.be/JPYuKBS3_y8
What the actual fuck do I do about thrips on outdoor plants? They're turning my plants into weird bonsai-esque stunted-but-stretched mutants. I can't believe that there's an insect this perfectly destructive. At least I could manually squash aphids.
>>5135796Outdoors you can probably use insecticidal soap but longer term it’s probably better to introduce predators. I get them on daylily and iris flowers but they just eat the pollen and don’t change the foliage so I haven’t really tried to remove them outdoors. I assume some other insect eats them as well since the numbers haven’t exploded.
>>5135822>insecticidal soapWent to the hardware store and found some of that, thanks. Seems like it's safe for my vegetables if used correctly.
>>5135940Looks nice
Cape gooseberry
>>5135919>>5135822Got the bottle but it says I can only use it a handful of times TOTAL. I'm not feeling good about this. So, I'm gonna use it 6 times, not be able to use it ever again, and then they'll just come back. Maybe I'd be better off shunting my containers near some wild overgrowth and hope that something naturally comes over to eat the thrips.
>>5136556If the infestation continues it will be found by nature anyway. For a short-term crop this is catastrophic but for perennials you might just spray them with water a bit until predators find them. Or like the other guy said, buy them.
Last year when my echeveria tried flowering it spent forever putting out a really long thick stem that took months before flowers even started developing, and i cut it at the end before bringing it inside before it bloomedIt still has the old stem to this day, still hasn't fully absorbed it or fallen offThis year, it's putting out 2 flower stems that are branching and developing much shorter, and I can actually see petals starting to form, within a couple weeksIs this a resources thing, as in it's healthier now, or did it learn it has to shove out flowers faster or they'll get cut?
the first small tomatoes finally appeared on my plant. I started growing it from seeds back in March so I was really looking forward to this day
>>5136756cool bee
>>5136777why are they so long
>>5136806Need more light
>>5136806they're san marzano tomatoes, they're supposed to be longer
>>5136778It's an european guy. Doesn't live in America
>>5132774Is it illegal to plant weed or psychedelic mushrooms? I am not even a druggie, i just thought it would be funny to have it
>>5137042Try it and tell the feds you did it as a joke and see how funny they find it.
>>5137042just follow the oregon trail bro
>>5137042>I'm not even a druggieYou're as stupid as oneGoogle it for your own city retard
I received a Ricinus seed. Any reason to try and germinate this one?
What happened to this leaf? I pruned it off because I didn't like the way it was losing the green color from that spot.
>>5137473looks like sunburn. it may be that your plant needs shade cloth to do its best in its location, for example:
Can anyone tell me how fucked this is?And if it's not completely fucked, what can I do to save it?It's I think 3 or 4 years old.
>>5137588Looks fine to me, if you wanted to you can snap off that new nodule and root it. Maybe wait for it to get a little bigger so it's holding onto more water.
>>5137597I think it's been overwatered though? The bottom is grey and brown, and the whole thing looks kind of wrinkly.
>>5137600Looks like corking to me, if you're really concerned give it a gentle poke with something and see of its hard or rotten.
>>5137588How have you had this for 4 years and are convinced its fucked by it looking like thisIf its hard its fine, if its soft its fucked
>>5137601>>5137608Thanks. It wasn't mine the whole time.
Hey guys. Newbie gardener here. I bought a Home Depot bearss lime. I know some basics about citrus and how to care for it, but I'm still scared I'm gonna kill this guy. What can I do to maximize his chances of thriving? I live in a hot, windy desert. The bricks were intended to protect him from wind, but I fear they may not help at all and just burn him. No idea.Pic related, it's my guy.
>>5137620Also no, I have not used any of the fertilizer in the bg on this guy
>>5137620Watch this https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UM3LTmyv_yM&t=722s&pp=ygUgSG93IHRvIGdyb3cgY2l0cnVzIHRyZWVzIGluIHBvdHPSBwkJQQsBhyohjO8%3D
I found a mutant dogwood. Normally these plants have 4 white bracts (which are actually leaves that have taken on the role of petals) and a ring of leaves underneath. This one had 6 bracts and no leaves. Somehow all the leaves have turned into bracts.
>>5138011Cultivate it and sell it to retards for $1000 per specimen.
>>5138060It will be hard to cultivate a plant with no leaves.
>>5138011That's quite beautiful.
New growth point on the right! I was worried this leucophylla was just hanging on by a thread, since I'm growing it pretty far out of its range and the growing season is shorter up north but if it has enough energy to expand the rhizome like that its a good sign.In other news, I've been gradually collecting the pumice pebbles that are on top of the moss and lifting up a sheet of sphag to put them underneath but its a losing battle until the moss gets thicker and comes in more fully.
>>5138087It seems to be doing pretty well for itself. As long as it produces seed you're good to go.
>>5132774I'm not the biggest fan of Phallies, it's the basic bitch orchid, but mine is so healthy and pretty right now.
Senpai ive been working on this thing for a very long time and its finally got plants growing in and mosses establishing. Brings me joy each day.
>>5138511It's a welfare queen leeching nutrients from the other plants around it.
Haven't been able to use my grow lights long enough during the heatwaves recently. I have fans on them, but it makes it even more unbearable, even with ac. Hope the plants doesn't get fucked over by the "cold" breeze.
>>5138981really cool project
What's this lime trying to tell me? Are the leaves diseased? What's the speckling about?>>5138981Looks amazing, more pics por favor?
https://youtu.be/zLf0Rf7rEYA
someone has this in my areaIt'll need a ton of rehab before its presentable but i FINALLY found an actually unique looking plant in my city
>>5139703Dumbass nigger thinks anyone's going to pay 20 dollars for his dying shitplant
>Retarded landscapers from the rose garden """"""""pruned"""""""" (destroyed) the roses againHate those fucking cretins man
>>5139718And whatever growth they didnt manage to raze to the ground they made sure to break!
>>5139719But at least they left you that nice barren patch of dirt instead of leaving any of that biomass on the ground where icky yucky bugs could hide in it before feeding the plant again
Can anyone tell me what to do with pic related? Or at least identify the plants?A friend gave this to me a few weeks ago but it seems to be growing too fast. Should i repot each plant or plant them in the ground?FYI, this is central Indiana.
>>5139724that's one or two jade plants (the spoon-leaved one) 2 echeverias of some kind (the pointy one) (one is flowering) and some or a bunch of what looks like some kind of stonecropThey're all stuffed together in an absurdly small pot, the stalked one is growing really fast because it's a flower. The lime green echeveria is stretching out because it needs more light. They're all succulents which are desert plants adapted to needing a ton of light and little water. They can't survive frost (the stonecrop might but I have no clue) so if that happens they can't go in the ground.They should all be repotted as soon as possible if you plan to keep any of them.Get a light meter app on your phone to see how much light they're getting. Swap it to FC. A sunny day is 12000+ FC for nearly 10 hours a day. They'll do better outside than in a window.
>>5139734Awesome thank you!
>he thinks dead leaves/twigs have fertilising properties
>>5132774I love plants so much it's unreal I have some Aloe Vera seeds coming in the post today. I've wanted to grow Aloe Vera for years but in all my attempts I've never managed to be successful. I've got 30 seeds this time so I'm hoping at least one will germinate, then I can get any pup offshoots and have as many as I want
>>5139842>just put egg shells on it bro
Nyes goy, commercial grade fertilizer mined from the middle east is the only way plants can grow, everyone knows this, continue consooming! natural processes? Sounds like woke shit from those native plant people to me, doesn't it?
>>51398954 plants just died from the climate change you caused by generating this image
>>5139923Good
>>5139842>how do forests even grow bro that N aint available bra *pours a gallon of mg performance organics into a potted ghost pepper*
>>5139969>just wait 50 years for your land to turn into forest humus
My hoya bloomed
>>5139998lewd
>>5135796>>5135919>>5136556I'm giving up. Nothing I try works. They're making all of the flowers and fruits fall off of my nightshades. I just don't get to have any tomatillos or litchi tomatoes this year.
>>5140186sorry anon. you need to have an army of predators eating stuff off your leaves. if your neighborhood ecology is wrong then it's pretty damn hard. another example would be spider mites, like pic. they're so tiny and multiply so fast. you need nature itself to balance it.i do find that getting tons of different flowers with high quality pollen and nectar is a good predator attractor, but that needs to be early
>>5138981Really impressive
Big catch!Later on that top leaf uncurled, it only caught the moth by the wings and I think decided that wasn't actually a bug so I dropped it into a pitcher.
>>5140194Got a ton more seeds germinating too. I tried some bog orchids last year but rodents dug them all up, gonna take another shot at it this year.
fellas I found this funny looking plant on a hike yesterday. The tallest stalks grew up to a foot tall, it looked like a kind of wild onion or leek. The plant ID things seem to believe it's some form of horsetail, but all results were under 30%.Anyone got a clue? If it helps, this was found in western Quebec, near 46.7485775, -73.9190747.
>>5140461my bad, had to crop it.
>>5140463Horsetail, no doubt about it
>>5140464Is it edible? and where can I find seeds for that? even if it ain't edible, I think I'd love to have some growing around my cabin
>>5140469>"Whats this plant?">"It's this">Now that I know what to search for, I will not use google to find any further information on it
>>5140504>Horsetail>dozens fucking kind of horsetail>don't know shit about horsetailim mostly trying to avoid this situation m8
>>5140508definitely never eat food that a forager offers you
>>5139907>He doesn't crush up his eggshells and use it in his soil mixesPathetic.
>>5139987Wood begins actively releasing nutrients after 2-3 years in the dirt with nothing else done to it
every time any insect or microbe eats any organic matter it poops a nutrient onto/into the ground
>>5140522>Soil mixesYou mean like for potted plants? It wont make any difference whatsoever. Adding organic material to potted plants is a fool's errand anyway.
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>>5140545it also dies and leaves a corpse, eventually millions of corpses
Im happy to report that i have become the chad plant hoarder. I gpt plants cpming out tje wazoo. Thank you for attending my ted talk.
>>5140187this guy appeared on my virginia creeper this morning, should i leave him be? i had some sharpshooters a couple days ago (i killed them and haven't seen one again since then), maybe he's here to eat them? you can see him on the read leave and his web on the green leaf
>>5140816yup any kind of hunting spiders are excellent and then their babies will go hard too
>>5140816I can't tell what that blurry little blob is but assuming you can tell it's a spider why in the fucking universe would you think you'd need to kill a spider sitting on a leafAre you stupid?
Pumpkin bullying my tomato
Can you use regular liquid fertilizer for hydro? I only hear people cry about how you need super special hydroculture/hydroponics fertilizer, but when i look at the composition of all 3, they're all pretty much using the same salts.
>get 9 fenestrations on previous thaicon leaf>new one emerging>can only count 5>sad>it fully emerges and i spot another 9 fenestrationsNice.>>5140967Should be fine as long as it's not one of those liquids that's full of organic shit, that will rot.It's easy to over-fertilize with liquid, be mindful of the signs.
>>5139718>>5139719watch this guy's series on soul destroying landscaping and realize that itself is the problemhttps://www.youtube.com/@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt
>>5140846relax bruh i just wanted to make sure it wasn't a pest or somethng since that other anon said something about spider mites and i've been getting different insects lately (such as sharpshooters which are indeed pests).
>>5140974I've watched some of his stuff. He probably wouldnt think much of a rose garden but then again he lives in an extreme environment. Pic related one of the bushes destroyed by those miscreants
>>5140971Yeah my rule of thumb is better to use weak hydroponic solution and change the water biweekly
>lying in bed chilling with window open browsing phone>feel a tickle on my arm>look at it>it's a thripMotherfucker.I've been thrip free for so long, they're spreading outside. Time for pre-emptive systemic pesticide..
So I got some Agastache (hyssop) seeds I got for free I placed an order for some other items I wound up just tossing them in some peat pots to see what would happen and they are sprouting but given they're so small and it's already July, can they be transferred into a patch on the ground and all will be well or should I expect to keep them in perhaps a larger pot over winter and plant them early spring?I couldn't find a good answer other than that they don't survive well for long in pots (I never intend too keep them there for longer than one winter) and that wet roots are their biggest killer so I'll have to keep an eye out for that.
>>5132774how do you save a flaccid cactus? asking for a friend
>>5141422Guaranteed rotten from the inside.
recently learned my philo can flower but i cant tell if this is it trying to flower or of its just one of the aerial roots being weird and a leafy bit going white
>>5141461It's an aerial root. It wants to climb, give it a mosspole(that you can water). Also the internodal distance is large, meaning it requires much more light.Give it those two and you'll eventually see it bloom.The white part is the section it sheds off after it has finished protecting a new leaf.
>>5141461its on a pole right now but its bent in a sort of basket handle shape to accomodate the other philo below. I'll need to buy a second pole. the sun situation is a little awkward since its a western-facing bay window.
;D
my chud son
wrinkly like a baby
>>5141473>>5141597damn same plant?? it's growing fast (or maybe that's normal idk i'm new to plants)
>>5141611'tis at this rate none of us are safe
>>5141611plants get a starter kit of food that they're expected to use to sprout up fast and become self sufficient before it runs outsprouts and flowers are the fastest plants grow, it's also just easier to notice growth on smaller plants
>get some sensitive plant seeds>internet says i need to scour them first>they're the size of a sesame seedhow was this thing even supposed to grow naturally if it needs this sort of prep work? did it have to be chewed and digested first?
>>5141909Soak in water instead.
>>5141920i did both. someone clever online recommended nipping off a small section with toenail clippers.
So I installed a patch of swamp milkweed in my backyard in a nice location where it gets a solid 8 hours of daylight, water it every morning and the dense soil is supposed to be what they like as far as I can tell It's been doing great for over a month but lately it seems that the lustre has gone out of the leaves. I assumed it was the heat but now a lot of them are starting to develop this weird miscolorong around them. I don't see signs of parasitism, the flowers on these plants in particular have faded and dropped so is this expected behavior or am I doing something wrong?
How much light/for how long do those south african succulents actually need if I want to keep them indoors until it's comfortable enough to plant them outside?
>>5142104light meter appswitch to fcbright sunlight 14000 or so fcits light out for about 12 hours a day
Why are my parthenocissus quinquefolia / virginia creepers so different from each other?Left has dark green leaves with a shiny surface, and is planted on a corner, gets considerably more shadow than right, which has a paler green leaves with a flatter surface and withouth the lacquered shine, and it's planted on a wall with lots of sun. Despite this, right is growing very rapidly so i don't think it's sick.Could it be sunlight, soil, humidity? These are supposed to be rustic weeds and grow anywhere, but maybe one likes its conditions better than the other one?
got a short bodied cellar spider living in the flower nursery :p
>>5142166Wouldn't surprise me if they prefer to start life in the understory of something else.
>>5142037you don't need to water everyday unless it's in a container that dries out rapidly. better to wait and then water more deeply on watering days.also, even if they don't technically need fertilizer, you should still provide it to prevent bottlenecks to healthy growth.all-purpose organic fertilizer is best because it blows up the microbial population, which in turn helps everything else flourish.synthetic is good too, but it's more for speed and less for ecology
I have a bag of beans that i'm never going to eat so i put them into my springtail bin to decay and compost but they're sprouting so fucking high with 0 light at all and im starting to feel bad for them
I fucking love this plant.
I think I killed my sundew ;_;
Is it over?My cactus was growing into a baseball bat where it was the widest at the top, but we had an overcast heatwave and it grew noticably thinner at the top, with very noticeably shorter spines as wellWill it fill that space back out and get wide again or will it be stuck with a divot there forever?
>>5142914uhhh why are there feet in the picture?
Anyone have any second opinions on what this could be on my wild bergamot? At first I thought it was powdery mildew (and searching up the symptoms made it sound like that as well)However this seems a little extreme for powdery mildew. I kept digging and saw some people also talking about potentially spider mites but that's mostly on the underside of leaves? This is mostly covering the stems and tops of lower leaves This started up pretty quick, like last week, so I hope I can pull this back before it gets too bad if I can actually pin down what the hell im looking at.
>>5143055Cottonwood seeds?
>>5143059I wouldn't think so because then everything else would be covered including nearby plants and not just the lower reaches of this one right?And this leaf did some right off while I was trying to get a look at it so it was definitely some negative effect going on here
>>5143010Probably need to give it a consistent watering schedule, maybe fertilize a little? Sounds like the heat stressed it out and it grew accordingly, a little tlc to help it spring back should save it. The divot will likely stay or scar over in time.
I love my cactus
>>5143055Following up on this. I've been doing a daily application of the baking soda dish soap and water mixture It doesn't seem to be doing much today I saw these pieces of shit hanging out on the stemI have no clue what the hell they are but they have wings and they hopped around when I blasted them with the spray bottle Too big for white flies or thrips, but I figure these have to be the fucking cause of my woes. Anyone got a clue?
>>5143635https://bugoftheweek.com/blog/2013/1/9/junes-snowfall-planthoppers-family-flatidae-missing-video
>internal penis>external testicles what's the point
I found this green fringed orchid today. Never seen one before, pretty excited to have it in my yard.
>just saw a monarch on a butterfly bushOH NO NO NO NATIVESISTERS WTF HOW CAN THIS BE??????
>5143866what was this post even trying to say?
>>5143986they are popular ornamentals that also have problems with being invasive in some placesanon is joking that it still supports adult butterflies so it must not be badon the flip side, they are still bad because caterpillars can't process the leaves and will just starveso you should want to replace it with native bushes that can support the full life cycle
>>5144000>they are still bad because caterpillars can't process the leaves and will just starveWhy is every nativefag's argument boils down to whether or not the plant supports some hyperspecific autism bug that doesnt eat anything else and doesnt even really matter in the food chainAnd then they'll be like "muh garden supports 300 different species!" and they're all bugsWell my backyard has 10,000 different species if you count nematodes
>>5144002>"muh garden supports 300 different species!" and they're all bugsThis supports everything that feeds on the bugs too, technically.
>Monarch butterflies don't matter in the food chainhow fucking stupid can you be
I just can't get over thinking you know anything about ecology and then complaining about insect biodiversity being a bad thing or not being as important as any other part of the foodweb
>>5144003>>5144007>>5144008Yes your tiny bug doesn't matter because it makes up such a miniscule amount of biomass you cant even quantify itThe foodweb rests upon generalists like grasshoppers,aphids, etc, decomposers, and parasites. That's why the ecosystem still hasn't collapsed (MUH BIODIVERSITY CRISIS!!!!!!) and never willMonarchs can go extinct right now and nothing would change
>>5144023Yeah but there's tens of thousands of them dumping tens of thousands of corpses in the soil, pretty good
What is it with /an/ and attracting people who genuinely seem to hate the concepts of life and nature itself
What is with passive aggressive midwits not replying to the post they're addressing?
you're simply not worth engaging with or properly acknowledging
Think I'm gonna go to home depot and buy a rose of sharon tomorrow
Pretty sure the monarch knows which plants are suitable to lay eggs on and which aren't. Like it will just randomly lay its eggs on whichever plants it was feeding on. What a retarded thing to suggest. Anyway, is 'ornamentals' a slur native zealots use? The crime pays and botany doesn't guy uses it all the time as well. In his latest Chicago river video he was seething that city street planters had geraniums or whatever in them. What are they supposed to put in there? Grass? Lol. Those floating "native gardens" are a total LARP anyway when the entire river is lined by a steel sheet retaining wall and raw sewage is dumped into the water daily. Don't hate the guy though, overall I think his philosophy is alright but his view on horticulture is too narrow and extreme. And rewilding is a total fantasy however much I would like it.
>>5144112It's still an important distinction to make though and there are a few traits they have in common like much harder germination requirements than vegetables. You could say that industry standard ornamentals are their own class of plants for sure and just calling them "ornamentals" could be shorthand for it, although that is vague and confusing.
>>5144112>Anyway, is 'ornamentals' a slur native zealots use?Yes. They hate the horticultural industry and are actively trying to destroy it by advocating to put common garden plants on prohibited species lists. Which is funny because most of them have been in the trade for well over a century and either they haven't proven to be invasive, or they're so widespread that banning them now does literally nothing.
ornamental plants are finenative plants are betterrewilding is realmurder all landscapers
I'm having some trouble IDing these, plantnet keeps telling me they're blackthorn but the fruit is the wrong color. The best I can figure is it's some kind of apricot or plum. Mainly I just want to make sure they're edible.They had been completely choked out by blackberry brambles for years until I cleared them out last year so the trees are all very thin and growing at weird angles.
>>5144503It is definitely genus Prunus. As to which specific kind I couldn't say.
>>5144503Definitely not apricot, looks like a plum of some kind
>got a significant blackberry problem on some land I acquired>don't want to use herbicide, in part because it's swarming other plants that I want to keepI understand that it'll start putting out shitloads more growth if I cut it, but am I correct in presuming that if I just keep cutting the new growth out as it appears, it'll eventually run out of vigor and die?
>>5144744it's good to cut it now so it doesn't have energy to survive winter
