How come people still cling to the idea hominines evolved in Africa when there is literally no evidence for it, the majority of phylogenies reject it, and every single major development in the hominine bauplan occurs first in Europe? What possible burden of proof needs to be achieved before it's finally unanimous that hominines developed in Europe?
>>5135244Because science is a political tool to use against people you dont like. If/when le pendulum swings the other way you'll start seeing slop tubers making hour and twenty minute long video essays about racial iq differences.
I'd ask for a source but we both know you can't provide it because you're just trying to start shit. You're not even really a racist, are you?
>>5135249You clearly don't know anything about hominine evolution or anatomy retard. Check out the most recent phylogenies and come back crying with something of substance next time https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-023-05210-5https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adz4102
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>>5135244Because the evidence of hominine evolution outside Africa is extremely limited and what we do have isn’t anywhere near strong enough to suggest that they definitely did not first appear in Africa
>>5135387isn't that just blatantly untrue though? there's WAY more potential hominines with hominine synapomorphies than the ridiculously limited evidence in Africa. everything in Africa is some pronograde monkey like stem hominoid. you don't start seeing things like continuous frontal sinuses or dorsally oriented scapula and other orthograde suspensory adaptations. literally every phylogenetic analysis pins ouranopithecus as a hominine and they're found throughout anatolia so why is it such a stretch for the lineage to come north where there is literally just more evidence rather than south where there is none in the late Miocene until literal hominins start to appear?
>>5135352>turkeynot europe turkroach>egyptegypt is in africa retard>>5135244i think the dinosaur feathers threads are more your speed
>>5135391>isn't that just blatantly untrue though?It isn’t>there's WAY more potential hominines with hominine synapomorphies than the ridiculously limited evidence in AfricaThere aren’t
>>5135244Just because our astronomically distant ancestors lived in Africa doesn't make you in African. It's okay, OP. It'll all be alright.
>>5135399Holy shit you really can't read can you dumbass lmao. They both present independent phylogenetic analyses that converge on the same result. >>5135404Not an argument. This is the level of 100 IQ reasoning remained in Africa tards operate at
It just looks to me like we all spawned separately on our own servers.Europeans, Africans, Asians, and Polynesians spawned in the Americas and went to SEA by boat.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerutti_Mastodon_site
>>5135417I meant to say "Oh, and Polynesians"Messed up typing it out like that. Europeans spawned in Europe, Africans in central Africa, and Asians in the Eurasian steppes.
If you filter any post with the words "not an argument" this board instantly gets 20% better
>>5135417this just doesn't make any sense desu>>5135422>waaaa why can't I just say retarded faggot nonsense with no structure or support and get taken seriously waaaa
>>5135424I'm just telling people how to get rid of you permanentlythere are a few words and phrases you consistently use over and over year after year. Filtering you makes this board almost pleasant.
>>5135425Try to reflect on why you in particular might be constantly subjected to people saying "not an argument" to you retard.
>>5135424Cerutti site is proof that there were hominins in the Americas like 10k years before "out of Africa".Polynesian peoples look nothing like any other people from SEA, Northern East Asia, or Melanesia. Yet we have the Olmec stones in Mexico looking exactly like Polynesian men, and many accounts from early settlers of round-eyed natives with white-like facial features. The only thing that makes sense is that while yes, there was an Asiatic migration here, there was a previously existing group that intermingled with that Asiatic group.
>>5135428even if you grant sapiens multiregionalism the thread is about late Miocene hominines. To suggest that's where Europeans, Africans, and Asians diverged requires an impossible amount of convergent evolution
>>5135244>it's finally unanimous that hominines developed in EuropeEurasia* since a bunch of important discoveries have been made in the Middle East and Anatolia and even Southeast Asia, but otherwise yes.
>>5135399Anatolia is Greek clay. Turdroaches origin is from mongolia.
>>5135433somewhat granted. the Ouranopiths of Anatolia are developed originally in Greece/Balkans and diversified further in Anatolia, and then the middle east is granted by the logical conclusion of a return to Africa but less of the actual development would have occured there. not sure how SEA is implicated though
>>5135244Where do you think Homo habilis evolved? All our evidence says Africa. So you need something very impressive to dispute that.
>>5135661google what hominine means versus hominin please.
>>5135661also at that habilis is FAR from the first hominin. Graecopithecus may have genuinely been the first regardless and it's found in the Balkans. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12549-025-00691-0and Danuvius already demonstrates a potential precursor to bipedality 12 million years ago from Germany (obviously doesn't mean it's a hominin though) https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1731-0But that's absolutely a harder sell than hominines originating in Europe, which is a different argument completely from hominins.
>>5135679>>5135681So your stance is just that a very ancient ape ancestor of Homo evolved in Europe and then migrated into Africa and did all the important evolution there? It seems like pedantry, not uncovering some massive conspiracy.
>>5135247The scientific method is not a political tool. It's a method of determining facts based on testing hypothesis. That being said governments, companies, individuals and organizations do abuse it to push agendas by deliberately misinterpreting studies or leaning on bad ones and a lot of people are far too ready to believe things just because "muh science says so" instead of critically analysing the studies and the way the experiments were conducted.I guess what I'm trying to say is that science isn't the problem, people who treat science like a religion are.
>>5135682>all the important shit This retard knows nothing about evolution lol. It means the common ancestor of all African apes including humans comes from Europe, and all the critical morphology that defines that subfamily developed in Europe. You don't get the "important shit" without developing the entirety of the hominine bauplan first or it literally just evolved in Europe directly likely as bipedalism did. Trying to downplay that is extremely low IQ.
>>5135682Homo sapiens sapiens was genetically engineered in the near east, however. There is zero evidence homo sapiens sapiens evolved naturally and is endemic to africa. It would be as improbable as velociraptor evolving into a penguin in 2 million years. The only humans endemic to africa also have large amounts of admixture from a mystery hominid no one else does. Everyone else has smaller amounts of denisovan/neanderthal DNA. Meaning those two would be the natural humans that came out of africa.
>>5135777>bipedalism in europeYou'd have to find something very unique to show that. Orrorin, Sahelanthropus, and Ardipithecus make a very convincing argument for its endemic development in Africa. Unless your argument is that apes that were both quadrupedal and bipedal migrated into Africa together?
>>5135781see >>5135681 these two papers. Danuvius has a morphology consistent with arboreal bipedality and graecopithecus has a morphology consistent with terrestrial bipedality, both older than the oldest African hominins. Also sahelanthropus is hardly convincing, even the analysis in the most recent Williams paper in support of it shows the femur is consistent with a knuckle walker. That tubercle is also total bs.
Does it even matter? It's framed like it's a win for Africans, but if it happened 300000 years ago when there was an equal lack of civilization around the globe, before any creature had the capacity to speak, let alone thought to utter the modern name, can modern day Africa, or any other location, claim responsibility?
>>5135428Out of Africa just refers to the migration of homo sapiens that ended up sticking. There were loads of other little monkey fellas knocking about around the world and other migration events that didn't stick.All it says is "all humans outside of Africa share a common ancestor with a group that left Africa ~100k years ago" (or whatever the date is). The existence of other hominins elsewhere prior isn't relevant.
