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There's a facility built to house a backup population that is really neat. If I were rich I would make something like that for goodeids.
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>>5136886
>WHY WONT THESE MOTHERFUCKERS LET ME DRAIN THE ENTIRE WATER TABLE SO THAT I CAN PUT A FARM IN A PLACE WHERE NOTHING GROWS REEEEEE
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the furtive pupfish, so easily forgotten...
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>>5136886
It’s easy to forget how beautiful they are. That iridescent blue is just stunning. I’m glad the little buggers are still around.
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>>5136923
I grew up in Nevada. That place near Devil's Hole is an absolute shithole. There is absolutely no redeeming qualities and it's insane some of the population of that town is trying so hard to stay there just in general. It's also a dying population as young people often leave and never come back.
The most astounding thing is that the population doesn't realize that Devil's Hole is by far the most interesting and lucrative thing there, not their fucking retarded cow farming (the agriculture is mostly there to support cows, a.k.a. the most water inefficient farming you can do). The amount of money tourism and scientific study brings in for Devil's Hole is far, far greater than their shitty farming, and if they just leveraged and supported that, they wouldn't be leading such shit lives.
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>>5137494
Of course they're stupid retards who act against their financial security: they vote red every election.
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>>5137501
ur dumb lol
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>>5137501
>Lol Tourism pays even worse than agriculture.
Tourism is literally the most profitable industry in Nevada, in ALL parts of Nevada, not just Las Vegas. Even if tourism for Devil's Hole had a 1% margin, that would be more profitable than their agriculture, because their current cow farming IS NEGATIVE PROFIT EVERY YEAR. It is heavily reliant on government subsidy.
>>5137521 is right. You are absolutely retarded.
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>>5137494
Half of all domestic farming is just an elaborate welfare scam with subsidies.
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>>5137522
Yeah bro, they're going to a fishing hole. Also, tourism is for poors. Nevada has below average income. Ironically their other two industries are mining and farming. Poor state of poors. Should have lived on the coast.

The income is literally powered by retirees. Government remittance like a 3rd world country.

>>5137532
Yeah if we just had more transgender awareness and DEI programs this problem would already be over.
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>>5137522
Ironically that government subsidy is just making up for government theft and USDA autism (yet abattoirs are STILL filthy and staffed by foreigners with a: no skin in the game 2: an acquired tolerance for eating unclean meat) and ergo is zero sum

Broken system. Don’t pretend you can make it better without ending it entirely first and using dictatorial mandate (ideal age for a dictator is 35-50) to rebuild as fast and well as possible.
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>>5137501
>Tourism pays even worse than agriculture
Maybe in a place where agriculture is actually viable, not Death Valley where nothing can live. If the retarded farmers had continued draining the groundwater at the rate they were before pupfish became protected then they would have completely depleted it and agriculture would have become entirely impossible in the area. But of course they aren’t intelligent enough to think that far ahead
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They ought to gape the Devil's hole so there is more space for pupfish.
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>>5137631
The thing is, there's more to Devil's Hole. It's just that the pupfish can't go any further then the top 25 meters
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>>5137497
you think raising the cost of everything they need to buy to live AND making it impossible for them to continue paying to live where they are is good for their interests?
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>>5136886

Not that I have a horse in this race, just want to know: I heard the pupfish are horrible inbred due to isolation, to the point where they're more of a "novelty taxon" than something actually being preserved.
Can somebody a little more invested & knowledgeable in matters concerning Pupfish explain to me why they "shouldn't" be hybridizing them, so they're a little more vigorous/less retarded, and proliferating the novel hybrid in a few more holes? Or am I missing the point/not understanding the assignment?
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>>5137696
ur dumb lol
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>>5137920
average leftoid rebuttal
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>>5137696
>you think raising the cost of everything they need to buy to live AND making it impossible for them to continue paying to live where they are is good for their interests?
as someone that bought a house for $100k and watched it go over a million dollars because of leftist california migration, Yeah.
it's fine. You're not tied to the soil and you can live like a king in red states on a million dollars.
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>>5138004
this is one of the least compassionate, least HUMAN things I've ever read. It's like it was written by a demon.
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>>5138007
>oh no I have to move to alabama and be the richest person in my county!
>a place where everyone agrees with my politics, so terrible!

fuck off

if you don't want rich people moving in and taking over your land try not being a backwards asshole and maybe you can make as much money as them.
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>>5138008
>noooo you NEED to vote for people that raise your taxes on top of killing babies in order to keep ME from moving there after I ruined my own hellhole!!
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>>5138016
also true

but whichever side you're on you can't argue with the fact that the liberals win with their inflated money and the conservatives lose with their pig farming and meth.
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>>5138016
Hellhole is a weird way to describe places with high property values as a result of their general affluence and desirability. Then again you’re incoherently yammering about dead babies so I guess rational thinking isn’t something I should expect.
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>>5138001
There's nothing to rebut. You might as well have said "icebergs are quite hot, actually" for how ridiculous that was. The simple fact is, the American people have universally had more in their wallets under leftist administrations in than they have under right-wing ones.
Short of making drag queen story time mandatory for all children or making my faith illegal, nothing is going to make me choose having less in my pocket to feed my kid with regardless of how much I agree with right-leaning social policies (borders? Absolutely; voter ID? What sort of idiot wants unidentifiable people to vote? Right to firearms? Of course. Etc etc etc) but Republican administrations have always meant less money for social programs, including ones shrewd, middle class parents like me and my wife use to care for their families. So I repeat: ur dumb lol. You fucking retard.
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>>5138038
real american right there

the majority. The middle
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>>5138032
>Hellhole is a weird way to describe places with high property values as a result of their general affluence and desirability.
you mean the places with gangs at every corner, killings every day, used needles and human feces on every sidewalk, and your local government being filled with jeets?

>>5138038
>The simple fact is, the American people have universally had more in their wallets under leftist administrations in than they have under right-wing ones.
and everything costs more and nobody can afford anything despite having a larger number. Whoops, rent went up 50% for the tenth year in a row! Too bad!
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>>5138248
>continued incoherent ranting about places he can’t afford
I get that the poors living in welfare states need to invent narratives about how the other half are the real backwards ones, but the stats are what they are. We don’t really mind that you people mooch off us because we believe in social programs to help the poor. It’s just that you insist on being so annoying, ungrateful, and hostile towards the states whose taxes subsidize your communities. Just be thankful and stop making pulling your dead weight harder.
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>>5138248
>>5138275
o yea ur dumb lol
>>5138307
Yes, I remember annotatedrant.com
I remember when it was still called fuckthesouth.com
These children today don't know what those were
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>>5138276
its closed because retards keep throwing mines in the water and shooting ships unless they pay a tax, and even then they still shoot them, which further increases the price of goods, its not even like the panama canal which needs to collect a toll to operate it, it just open water
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>>5138330
Did some event, perhaps a policy decision by the current ‘administration’ result in the higher activity among the retards with the mines?
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>>5137709
They will tell you that they are worried about introducing new diseases or creating hybrids that are not suited for the environment, but in reality they would rather have martyrs than mutts.
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>>5138248
>you mean the places with gangs at every corner, killings every day, used needles and human feces on every sidewalk, and your local government being filled with jeets?
Yet despite your delusions people still vastly prefer to live there than bumfuck Oklahoma, hence the higher property value. I wonder why?
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>>5138417
Iran has been doing it illegally for decades. Trump sucks but he doesn't really have much to do with this one.
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>>5138417
the fact they wanted to build nuclear weapons, we already have two sub 100iq people with nukes that hate each other already, we dont need another
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>>5138439
>in reality they would rather have martyrs than mutts.
No. The fish are extremely scientifically valuable. Hybridising them would destroy that utility. They live in water hot enough to kill other fish and do so with very little oxygen, leading them to evolve the ability to metabolise anaerobically, which seems to have occurred relatively recently.
That anaerobic metabolism? It produces ethanol as a byproduct, similar to human cancer cells, making them valuable to oncologists and other cellular researchers as well as evolutionary biologists.
Allowing them to breed with some other population would end all of that.
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>>5138417
Not quite. Iran was provoked because Israel destroyed the illegal muslim counter-colony (gaza/little jordan) on their own fucking homeland, as a rational response to an attack by terrorists that think putting munitions dumps by their grandmothers grants them immunity (under islamic law, it is meant to). Iran has a vested interest in the eradication of all non-muslim governments in the middle east and wished to use the illegal jordanian counter-colonies and their hezbollah plants in lebanon to weaken israel’s air defense and make way for iran’s proper missiles. Biden, famous for resuming border wall construction to own trump, gave israel everything they wanted during this conflict which provoked iran further. The US was already a combatant just like they are in Ukraine.

Today, they are blaming trump and china is pushing the gaza “genocide” narrative because it distracts from their own ongoing ACTUAL muslim genocide in xinjiang. Do not fall for this narrative. Palestinians have not been genocided - they don’t actually exist. The 30-40% of Israel that is nonJewish is the palestinians. Their population has only grown since the 50s! Xinjiang on the other hand is an actual genocide site where people are being relocated, reeducated, and forced to renounce their culture race mix.

Literally anyone pushing “palestinian” (but countercolonist, not the actual palestinians that live in israel) victimhood and trump bad is distracting from an actual genocide somewhere else.
See: The DSA.
>justice for the palestinian genocide!
>yes europeans deserve to go extinct get over it. your grandkids are gonna be brown and muslim.
>-the DSA (iranian supported btw)
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>>5138458
Uhm, palestinians that dont want to kill jews dont count because jews are white and therefore bad mmkay. Jews bad!
t. leftist
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>>5138458
Wow, a 4chan poster that actually knows whats going on and doesn’t blindly hate jews because of cherry picked quotes and european-esque gas prices.

Dear everyone; There is a cost to fighting to preserve the existence of our only real military ally and preventing the demographic replacement of our people. Get over it.
>bbbut epstein had sex with a 17.9 year old
Israel’s age of consent is 14. Within the average range of all of europe and ahead of mexico (13) and the rest of the middle east (9 if married). They are also breeding above replacement. Be happy for them. Israeli’s are literally /pol/ 4channers incarnate.
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>>5138457
Have they tested other pupfish for this ability?
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>want to learn about a fish I've never heard of
>thread turns into YET ANOTHER INANE DISCUSSION ABOUT GAY NIGGATRY
I fucking hate this website, why the hell do I keep coming here?
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>>5138464
It's obvious the other pupfish species wouldn't have very similar abilities because their environments are vastly different. But yes, other pupfish have been studied extensively, as many, if not most, are endangered but far more easily accessible while at the same time also having very uncommon characteristics, such as the san Salvador pupfish, which evolve orders of magnitude faster than other fish and evolved into three very different pupfish while being in small habitats (one eats algae, another shellfish, the third scales of other fish).
I very much doubt the devil's pupfish could interbreed with anything else anyway. The mere fact that most pupfish are in salty or brackish water just undercuts this.
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>>5138458
>>5138460
>>5138462
Israeli propaganda bots are here. Thread is over
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>>5138462
So true. Glory to Israel.
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>>5138462
If this isn't a mossad backed post: Jews are not your people and they want to replace you
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>>5138724
I don't want to replace anyone.
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>>5138462
Kek he's actually doing the meme. God kikes are so evil.
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>>5138443
>people still vastly prefer to live there than bumfuck Oklahoma,
>hence the higher property value.
>hence the higher property value.
>hence the higher property value.
lmfao you people are just not human
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>>5138276
>This happens under republicans anyways.
republicans are just democrats from 5 years ago anyway
>>5138307
>I get that the poors living in welfare states
don't pretend that the minorities that flood here and take up the welfare represent the people that are native to here. Your policies to bring them in btw.
>>5138314
>o yea ur dumb lol
you quoted me and a different guy, which is why his post was deleted; Mine will likely get jannied later because the mods here are cucks but he hasn't noticed my dissent yet.
>fuckthesouth.com
it genuinely has been ages since I saw that brought up, when did it even go down?
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>>5138038
This right here. This is the post that proves americans are unironically going to go extinct.

There has never been a more short sighted people. You are already spiritually an amerindian communist empire. Temu romans.
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>>5138307
>the poors
The south.
The southerners basically aren’t americans. They belong to another culture (another religion, actually). Their very presence shits up our democracy and makes the common sense right wing an impossibility.
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>>5138999
>what is supply and demand
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>>5139000
>you quoted me and a different guy
>implying the word you can never be plural
Okay, then: y'alls is dumber than uh box uh dumb things.
Better? I used an unambiguously plural version.
>when did it even go down?
Not as recently as >>5139003's mother. She just blew me. Shit was so cash.
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>preyed on by the predaceous diving beetle
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TWELVE MONTHS IN THE SLAMMER https://www.hcn.org/issues/51-6/endangered-species-how-a-tiny-endangered-species-put-a-man-in-prison/
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>>5138725
But the rest of jewry is bent on having 20 kids each without even having actual jobs
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>>5136886
kino
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>>5137497
Yes, using my taxes to pay for food and medical care for foreigners, fatties, addicts and single mothers with 6 kids is in my financial self interest.
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>>5140206
But if you did, tech billionaires would import a bazillion indians, pay them 20% less than american STEM grads expect, import a bazillion illegal south americans to maintain a broken farming business model that needs its own sky high property taxes subsidized out, and rub those GDP and jobs numbers in your face while pretending the vast ghettos dont exist because they average out nicely.

Blue states pay welfare into the red states after fucking them over by diluting the labor supply and outsourcing everything. Republicans and democrats are both anti-american communists. Welfare for thee, profits for me.
>thats not real communism
It never is. Communism and capitalism are fantasies to distract you from the feasible reality of a mostly free market regulated in popular self interest.
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>>5139361
should have sent him to the gas chamber
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>>5140206
but paying for pointless dick-waving foreign wars and allowing corporations billions in tax cuts is A-OK right? as long as the libtards are mad right?
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>>5140408
>but paying for pointless dick-waving foreign wars... is A-OK right?
yes
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>>5136886
he cute
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>>5140579
>beep bop i'm a good little unthinking bot that does what it's told and supports what it's told regardless of whether or not it's actually beneficial to the country
At least you're being honest
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>>5140701
if i must choose between replacement migration and bombing the middle east… fuck palestine.
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We should put pupfish in the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool.
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>>5140701
we spend 2.2 trillion dollars between social security, medicare, and health services, thats 40% of the entire spending; health services alone is already 665 billion, thats more than the national defense budget, by 50 billion dollars. military spending hasnt really increased that much year after, its less than inflation, but healthcare spending has ballooned by 10-20% year after year for the past 10 years. military spending is a small fry compared to healthcare spending now.
so unless you want to kill all the hippes, promote nuclear power to remove much of the dependence on foreign oil wells, because you still need oil for vehicle operation, and abandon europe, you dont get to complain about foreign wars over oil because everybody needs it; and europe doesnt do jackshit to defend itself and doesnt have the decency to pay a tithe for all the military bases, and has the gall to berate america for not helping fight off russia because they wont, because they buy all their oil and gas from russia because they shutdown all their nuclear plants.
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>>5140746
Then someone will put a dozen feeder goldfish in with them and ruin everything.
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>>5140749
>[Europe] shutdown all their nuclear plants.
The fuck are you on about, retard? We have the most operational nuclear plants of any continent on earth, you fat, blithering mutt.
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>>5140754
theres 126(excluding russia), and you are shutting them down, germany already did that, literally the only country that has most is france at 57 and second highest is ukraine at 15, the usa has 94 and is building more
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>>5140817
Last I checked, 126 > 94, you mathematically challenged moron. Jesus fuck, can you go be retarded somewhere the cunt else, please?
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>>5140820
He’s an American, why did you assume he can count?
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You losers should talk about pupfish or get out.
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and you are shutting them down, because youre supposed to since theyre 10 years pass their expiration date with zero plans to replace them, you going to drop to 40 at the end of decade, so unless europe has a plan to build 70 reactors in the next 4 years, youre fucked
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>>5140820
>our oil rich country has almost as many reactors as your whole oil poor continent
lol
just add that to the blessings for those who bless israel
#blessthejewtaketheW
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>>5140704
Israel is proud to have loyal obedient zogbots like you
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>>5140836
Oh no, someone would rather jews bomb some retards that follow a pedo religion than flood their own country with thirdies

Islam is one big epstein desert. The religiously mandated age of consent is 9. Per islam epstein liked them too old and was only immoral for not marrying them (and could have had 4 9 year old wives). Still feel bad for the made up country of palestine?
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>>5140831
You're obscenely unintelligent. It's staggering. The only saving grace is that no woman would ever lay with you and there is a less than zero chance that you'll even have the opportunity to pass on your undoubtedly genetic stupidity.
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>>5140853
My fiance is jewish. We both have college degrees. I’m a professor and consultant, and she’s a make-work manager (something in hr idk, department of firing chuds).
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>>5140873
And then you woke up.
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>>5140849
>someone would rather jews bomb some retards that follow a pedo religion than flood their own country with thirdies
Those aren't mutually exclusive but it's not surprising the unthinking zogbot was programmed to think like they were. Again Israel thanks you for your loyal service.
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What the hell does israel have to do with anything i tought this was a thread about fish.

Why is everywhere on the internet infested with these cia brainwashed radicals that bring politics to literally anything
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What's so special about the cave that the pupfish can't be transfered to another similar environment?
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>>5140986
It's a limestone cave with highly alkaline water at 33-34C year-round in a nutrient-poor environment (their food source is a specific algae that grows on one shelf and the microfauna that spawn there) with very little water movement.
That kind of site is not exactly common.
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>>5138248
That's why we needed Drumpf back in office, to bring down prices! MIGA!
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>>5140982
It's because the retarded, worse than useless faggot jannies refuse to clean up off topic spam. There's a reason everyone cheered when some of them got doxxed in the hack.
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>>5140982
It’s because this fish became a political issue.
>this unique species is almost extinct and we should protect it!
>wut, you mean I can’t suck another aquifer dry to water my golf course in the middle of the desert?! Muh freedumb!
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Pupfish have become stupid and lazy. The only way to make Devil's Hole great again is to import hard working cichlids and snakeheads.



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