If you're not allowed to mention any dinosaurs, who is the toughest land predator of all time?
>>5140839That thing probably
>>5140839Megalodon
>>5140854retard
>>5140857Megalodon lived on land actually, we know this based on phylogenetic bracketing.
>>5140857>he doesn’t know
>>5140839Do you mean like which species has the strongest singular individual or which species is overall the most dangerous to come across naturally, meaning packs are allowed? If the latter, humans.
>>5140839something from the late Triassic that hasn't been preserved in the fossil record
>>5140890Strongest individual. May god smite anyone gay enough to say human, fucking hate you faggots
>>5140839>>5140844Close, but not quite, search for Fasolasuchus from Argentina
>>5140990Honestly, even under those rules humans rank pretty high if we're allowed to use weapons or at least pointy sticks. Not allowing that would be like not allowing a wolf to bite.
>>5140995Teeth are part of the wolf's bodyplan just as is ours, weapons are not part of our bodyplanFun fact: Human bites can be quite nasty
>>5140995>if we're allowed to use weaponsNO FUCKING SHIT RETARD, OBVIOUSLY WEAPONS ARE NOT ALLOWED>what's the toughest animal>uhh clearly a human in an f35 fighter jet :))))Fuck you. Seriously. You faggots are so annoying. One of my earliest memories is being in elementary school and having a kid say something like that and just punching him in the face as hard as I could. Fuck you
>>5140995>we
>>5140839>Reptile so no issues with live birth being more difficult as size increases.>Limbs directly under body supporting body weight, not limited by the sprawling gait of lizards.Why did land crocs not get as big as dinosaurs, especially after non-avian dinosaurs themselves went extinct? They have the same qualifications for gigantism.
>>5140839Why is his size compared to a hogwarts student?For me its gotta be the hell pig, I've seen nasty ass boar and wild pigs, and I can't imagine one that's the size of small truck that never evolved fucks to give. I also just imagine a caveman riding one into battle like something out of Primal. I was going to say terror bird, but I realized its technically a dinosaur.
>>51409901v1, a competent human against most animals that don't completely out weight them a human would probably come out better than the animal. Like I don't ever want to fight a wolf, or a dog, or god forbid a big cat. But I also understand how they fight, so while I will almost certainly be fucked up, and mostly dead/dying, that wolf wouldn't walk away from the fight either. Its also worth noting that humans have an insane endurance stat, and people survive and heal from a lot of injuries that would be an instant game over for a lot of animals. With something like a dog especially, protect your neck, and realize that when a dog bites and latches on, most of the damage i from the person trying to pull away, which means you're fighting against gravity and your own strength. You sacrifice a bite to the forearm or hand and then put your weight into it, which will cause the jaws to lock up and you can use your weight to pin it down while using your weight to attack the more sensitive areas. That arms getting fucked, you may lose it, you're going to have a ton of bad infection, but the dog us going to be pulverized from the neck down because at the end of the day, you represent the human race, the end of a long line of motherfuckers who turned wolves into lapdogs an conquered the world. Now if I ever had to fight a big cat I figure I have exactly one move, try to get in under the first strike to scratch under his chin and count on the feline's natural reaction of going "Mmmm bitch, yeah... get under my ear too." Fuck anything much bigger than that though, but I feel confident about winning against an animal pound for pound. Not that I would want to, but if I'm in a gladiator ring with nowhere to run then you're in the "fuck it, we ball" spectrum of the animal kingdom. It kicks in because the fight or flight equation just ha flight removed.
>>5141001>gorilla picks up a stick Calm down moron. No one said anything about an F35, but to pretend tool use is verboten is ignoring biology too. Reframe your little argument to not include humans specifically or suffer your own stupidity.
>>5141037Already really successful in their niche, probably restricted by food once they become too successful.
>>5141064yeah but the gorilla isn't going to fucking use a stick is it? You're doing nonsensical whataboutism when it's blatantly obvious from that question that i dont count humans. No one likes you, you will die alone
>>5141066https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_use_by_non-human_animalsRetard.
Does deinosuchus count as a land predatorIt’s longer than fasolasuchus
>>5141068Am I an asshole for wondering if you could train a raven to use lawn darts and let it escalate to the logical conclusion as they enter the age of kinetic warfare.
>>5141072That sounds like a possible extinction event.
>>5141072Why are you trying to wipe out humanity bro
>>5141074As long as they recognize me as the raven-lord to act as their apostle of the new church to the humans.
>>5141074>>5141076>>5141077GET BACK IN THE TINFOIL MINES!
>>5141056Wolves are reasonable but there is 0 chance an unarmed human is 1v1ing any big cat to the death, other than maybe a snow leopard.
>>5141084I think a leopard is possible too (but not easy). They don't usually weigh more than 150 pounds. Cougar and up is not happening
>>5141054>Why is his size compared to a hogwarts student?Much better than the trend of using Vtubers for size charts
>>5141056>Fuck anything much bigger than that thoughEven then, if it's a fight in a natural environment and rules are "anything goes, just win", you can run until you find a stick or rock and your chances will go up by quite a bit. You could even run away completely, gather multiple sticks and sharpen them and you would have a chance against basically any predator alive now as well as smaller dinosaurs and other extinct predators.
>>5140839Repenomamus easily. May not have been the largest land predator but it tackled proportionally very large prey
>>5141083How can you mine tin in foil form straight from the earth?
>>5141161It was left there by the Anunnaki
>>5141149Like a mesozoic stoat. Horrifying
>>5141037Their different astralagus-calcaneum articulation probably doesn't scale too well for digitigrade bipedalism or full on sauropod-tier quadrupedal gigantismAlso pseudosuchians didn't seem to have nearly as efficient a breathing system as avemetatarsalians
>>5141001Who molested you
Giant short faced bear could probably deal with the land crocs and hell pigs
>>5141449like 4 older women plus my big sister. I was super molestable I guess
If the higher Fasolosuchus size estimates are accurate I'd say it wins with no competition
>>5140839>If you're not allowed to mention any dinosaurs, who is the toughest land predator of all time?Polar bears are definitely up there, unless you're one of those fags who considers them aquatic mammals.
>>5143084They for sure are. Easily the toughest land predator alive today. Maybe only rivaled by those huge kodiak bears
>>5143089I feel like a lot of people tend to take them for granted because they still exist and as such don't have the same romance as extinct species. Arctotherium augistidens gets all of the attention as it's a contender for the largest mammalian land predator ever but Arctodus simus, the largest bear ever in North America, was only slightly larger than U. maritimus which puts U. Maritimus probably on the top five list for the largest land carnivores EVER and certainly in the top ten. And the fucking things still exist and you can go down to a zoo and see one. It's surreal.
>>5143084Nobody considers them aquatic. Marine and aquatic aren’t the same thing
>>5142536i saw some youtube slop video recently that said Fasolasuchus is overblown but Prestosuchis is underestimated
>>5140839Me.
>>5140839TigerTiger is 600+pounds can leap on top of an elephant's back is strong to drag an adult male gaur around and attacks as fast as a blinkNo other animal compares
>>5141037Wrong time and place prolly. That has undoubtly held back thousands if not millions of species over the worlds history.
>>5143842Large Russian brown bears bully sissty tigers all the time. The biggest crocodiles enjoy the meat of the tinyittle tigers
>>5143845wrong tiger hunts bear
>>5143855small ones like sun sloth and black bears maybe, and those are just around or a little above human size. despite that they're still not easy or common prey for tigers
>>5140839enjoy the brief inherited primacy mammal fags, just always know that when the weather warms, and the stage is set by another mass extinction…there is always an ArchoCHAD waiting to reclaim the world.
>>5141146You can't outrun a polar bear stupid retard.
>>5143089An interesting fact I like is that bears have less cortex neurons than a house cat despite being the largest land predators in the planet. They're such absolute units that while every other mammal apex predator has specced into intelligence, they just went down the path of pure tard strength.
>>5143114IF you count aquatic then its probably one of the giant extinct Crocodyliforms
>>5140839None of the ones that went extinct apparently.
Cave hyena
>>5143084>unless you're one of those fags who considers them aquatic mammals.Rent free.
>>5143922Maybe you can't.
>>5141002underrated
>>5140839idk, but Anteosaurus has to rank pretty high. bigger than a polar bear and has those bony bosses on its skull for ramming shit
>>5142536Is it bigger than Barinasuchus?
>>5143889siberian tigers kill grizzlies that just woke up from hibernation because it's when they are at their most vulnerable
>>5143084>>5143089yeah no, they arent even toughest bears of all time>>5143842yeah no, not even toughest land predator currently
>>5144604Barinasuchus wasn't even the largest crocodyliform, which was likely picrel, Razanandrongobe. Fasolasuchus was a Pseudosuchian from the triassic which routinely achieved Allosaurus sizes. Barinasuchus is just the largest known land croc from the Cenozoic.
>>5144668dropped pic
>>5144668>Left to right: Skull of Razanandrongobe (viewed from below) compared to giant crocodyliforms Machimosaurus, Barinasuchus, Sarcosuchus, the saltwater crocodile Crocodylus porosus, and Purussaurus
>>5140839it's a tie between chinese escalators, indian locomotives, and the bagger 288.
>>5144608they specifically target small brown bears, young, sub-adult and small adult females. otherwise, adult male or simply individuals over 300kg are practically immune to predation from tigers
>>5144761There was one record of a large male bear being taken but I can’t find it in the sea of Carnivora forum slime
>>5143917>there is always an ArchoCHAD waiting to reclaim the world.This anon gets it
>>5144761Brother, all it takes it a couple of google searches and you'll find evidence of Siberian tigers killing adult brown bearsSet your bias and agenda aside for a moment and stop acting like bears are invincible tanksReality is both can kill each other, be fair and even handed instead of spewing lies
>>5145070Arguing in threads like this is pointless. It's fighting over someone's favorite beast without understanding the nuance of nature.You at least won it with this:>Reality is both can kill each other
>>5145070strangely when I look up siberian tiger and ussuri brown bear interactions the top things google gives you are pure ai sludge, including several websites that use ai imagery or video. that or that one trail cam footage of the two sharing a path in the woods that doesn't really suggest predation at all. no duh there are incidents where tigers kill large male bears but those are much too rare to represent the nuanced relationship the two species have. also I used the word practically, meaning not completely. in no way did I act like bears broadly are unstoppable tanks. what lies did I spew exactly?
>>5145124>People claiming tigers regularly beat adult brown bears>Same people use aislop to manifest their fantaciesI think i'm starting to connect the dots
>>5144624Please use proper english. It should be "they aren't even THE toughest bears of all time"
>>5140839T. rex. Keep seething, suchosucker>>5141054To prevent chincom trannies from giving it feathers..
>>5145124>tigers kill large male bearsUnironically [citation needed]. I do not even vehemently doubt it, just sounds way too out there.
>>5145140its out there for me too. I just assume it has to have happened at least once or twice with how often they interact. from what I can find, people tend to point to this instance as a tiger killing a large male brown bear. a plebbit post calls it the "first official record" of a tiger taking a large bear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itHpO99c-1cthough its not as concrete as I wouldve liked since the interpretation of what happened is very weak after-the-fact speculation. the interaction wasn't observed, the men just guessed they fought based on prints of the tiger walking and the dislodged snow around the body. there arent any frantic bear prints or definite sign of a struggle and the tiger was entirely unharmed so it really just looks like scavenging, at least to me. I'm also confused what the men meant by "they really trampled the glade". I suppose theyre referring to the dislodged snow but that's not shocking at all really, the body was literally buried with said snow and burying or covering food is a behavior cats are very well known for.
>>5145130no, i will not
>>5145140Tigers in india hunt sloth bears.
>>5141084Up to your own body weight you have a fair shot if you're willing to grit your teeth and accept your wounds. if you can get a chokehold on a cat, it is curtains, but your forearms are getting scratchposted to oblivion. Dogs, however, are free to choke out.
>>5141084I think one time a guy killed a leopard by hitting it with a rock. You decide if that counts as unarmed
>>5145403To be fair it was a really small leopard
>>5144751BAGGER 288 BAGGER 288
>>5140995Did you get smited yet faggot?
>>5142533Is your big sister also not an older woman? Or is she just big in the sense that she's like a 10 feet tall super(sexual)predator?
>>5147358That's rather good.
>>5147389Yeah
>>5145139trvth bomba
>>5143842no
