I'm supposed to believe nobody ever dug up a large dinosaur bone and displayed it? People thought giants existed forever, so finding a bone you assume to be from a giant would be an amazing discovery and holy artifact. None? Nobody ever found one until 1699?>check Wikipedia>pre scientific study>someone wrote about a big bone in China 1700 years ago, but it was not a dinosaur boneSomething people would be looking for forever and would be seen as a religious artifact was never ever mentioned by anyone, except a chinaman 1700 years ago and a guy in 1699? Seems like a giant scam to me. Plus the vast majority of display pieces are fake. The actual fossils look like worn rocks, and the rest is extrapolated by "scientists." They even make reproductions where the bones are half cast in plaster, so it looks like real bones they found in a rock. What an insane way to mislead audiences. Making shit up and lying to the public is not science.
>I'm supposed to believe nobody ever dug up a large dinosaur bone and displayed it? People thought giants existed forever, so finding a bone you assume to be from a giant would be an amazing discovery and holy artifact. None? Nobody ever found one until 1699?No one has claimed this, in fact we have TONS of evidence showing thats untrue
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>>5145151>look how real this is>here's a plaster cast>conjecture with no sourcesUnconvincing argument
>>5145157not your best bait, is it?you should have gone with "raptor toe claws, what were they FOR?"haven't had that thread in a while
>>5145159>instead of disproving you by providing evidence, I will call it baitIf you start with the assumption you are right its easy to win debates. Any refutation on why they were never discussed until basically 1850?
>>5145161what if you threw a debate and nobody showed up?you'd just be winning all day, huh?
>>5145165You are refusing to provide any evidence or explanation to why dinosaurs were not discovered discussed before 1699? Just whining like a woman? I accept your concession.Next in line please!
>>5145154>that namewhy are we like this
>>5145144People were not exceedingly curious about useless knowledge. They were far too busy not dying to give a shit about dead giant lizard bones. Besides, everyone already knew about leviathan and behemoth from the stories told by some caveman that saw some giant bones once.
>>5145214the funny part to me is some scientists had to go to court and argue that "Scrotum humanum" wasn't intended as a serious name so we wouldn't have a dinosaur named Scrotum and Dinosauria in general named Scrotes or something similar
The joke being that "Scrotum Humanum" is the oldest dinosaur name on record, and predates Owen's naming of the Dinosauria by 166 years.
>>5145275for comparison, Scrotum Humanum was almost as far before the naming of dinosaurs as the naming of dinosaurs was before now.When dinosaurs were named dinosaurs 184 years ago, Scrotum was already 166 years olddinosaurs were named 184 years ago, the first dinosaur was named Scrotum 350 years ago
>>5145214because>heh, penisits thats simple
>>5145144The whole genre of >OMG X DIDNT EXIST BEFORE 1700 THEY LYIN TO USconspiracy theories is the dumbest pop-history addled GED retards not understanding the modern era or the enlightenment or industrialization and are trying to reinvent science from first principles.Pre modern people weren't digging in the ground as much, and when they did find fossils it disn't surprise them because every culture had some mythological conception of dragons or giants or something, so people mostly just went about their day or ground up the fossil to gain its power.People have really only known about animals in a biological sense for the past couple of hundred years. Nobody knew that storks migrated or that insects didn't spontaneously generate inside of carcasses until very recently. So when industrial Europe started digging up dinosaur fossils, they only identified them as dinosaurs because there were people systematizing existing animals and comparing their bones against the ones being dug up, and even then they had no idea how old they were or why there weren't any animals like them around today, so they still used the bible as a reference point.
>>5145239They saw bones but never picked one up? For thousands of years? Thats the point. If they think the bones are holy they would take it and show it off.>>5145283>uhhh its 400 years old not 200Ignoring the massive gap on purpose?>>5145340>youre dumbThen you have an explanation?>people DID find bones>but they destroyed them on purpose and never wrote about itThats always happens in history. We have records of bread sales and vendor conflicts in cuneiform, but not those big bones everyone kept digging up! Still waiting for an explanation.
>>5145340>i found these holy bones>I'm going to destroy them in secret and not brag about itLol
>>5145349>find the holy bones of a god, which can give you their powers if you ground them up and snort them>do you>A: tell the whole village about it so they come to burn down your house and skin you and hang you before taking it for themselves>B: ground them up and snort them in secret
>>5145371Anon we are talking about historical fact, not making things up that confirms your own beliefs. If people found holy artifacts there would certainly be records of it. There isn't until the 1600s, and they weren't widespread until the mid 1800s. You aren't explaining the gap other than "everyone who found one destroyed it, ate it, and told none."
>>5145406You know there were dragon bone markets all over the world right? A huge swath of the fossil record was destroyed. Mingled with random humans and mammals and sold as charms and dick powder. All the way back to 350BC. No one kept good records because it was irrelevant superstition then>of course leviathan existed its here in tje bible>put those fucking things back its probably demonic
>>5145347>They saw bones but never picked one up?you've clearly never seen dinosaur bones in real life.they usually don't look like bones when they're exposed at the surface. They typically break into thousands of pieces. Generally you can't pick them up and even if you did, nobody would know what that weird shaped rock is anyways.Your understanding of fossils is child-like and retarded
>>5145144Some Chinese fucker deffo dug one up and grounded it into medicine at least 4000 years ago
>>5145422Native american tribes all had names for fossil bones, but OP doesn't want to discuss facts.he just wants to "debate" and "argument" and prance around like he won some great contest when all he really did was stubbornly stick to his retardation
>>5145144You clearly didn't check Wikipedia.
>>5145273That's before the Linnaean cut off anyway.
>>5145144what do you think dragons are? people found fossils and thought they must be dragons
This is a medieval bat. Despite living around bats the monk that drew it didn't know what they looked like, they were just fluttering things in the night and he was fine with it. That's been the case throughout history. We find weird bones, go "huh, weird bones" and move on. Maybe we assume they belonged to a monster but without future luxuries and eccentrics there really isn't much reason to cause a fuss.
>>5145410>we don't have evidence for superstitious things but do have mesopotamian baking recordsLol>>5145419>youre a child like retardCool, still doesnt explain why nobody for thousands of years ever wrote about them. I'll accept your concession.>>5145422Didnt write about it though?>>5145428Try using fact based arguments and historical evidence instead of crying I'm a dummy for accepting things with zero evidence.
>>5145579>people's most holy religious books talk about giants>people would be incentivized to keep the bones as proof their preferred religious book is real, and as a holy artifact>nope>ignore them and don't tell anyone>for 1 thousand plus years until a guy in the 1600s and mid 1800s
*I'm a dummy for not accepting things with zero evidence.
>>5145625>dont tell me why im stupid also do my research for me while i babble about the same stupid shit that makes sense in my headYou could have just googled this but you probably think everything besides answers in genesis is da jooz because you’re a fucking retard
>>5145637>You could have just googled thisI did, and found zero evidence from before the 1600s. Going to prove me wrong or keep using circular reasoning while calling me dumb? Otherwise I will continue believing this is a hoax that was made for profit.
>>5145625>>people's most holy religious books talk about giants>>people would be incentivized to keep the bones as proof their preferred religious book is real, and as a holy artifactYou have some misunderstandings about history. For most of Europe's Christian history there was only one holy book and there was no argument about it. They'd have no reason to keep bones as proof because there was nothing to prove; their beliefs were a matter of faith and even if they wanted to convert a pagan they'd have no use because the pagans also believed in giants. They did find remains though and assumed they were from dragons and other monsters. Pic rel is the bones from the Dragon of Wawel hanging from Wawel Cathedral in Poland as an example. Before that we have records of people in antiquity finding shit.>emperor constantine traveled to antioch to see the bones of a satyr preserved in salt >procopius goes to benevento in italy to see the calydonian boar's giant tusks >pliny writes about a consul that kept the bones of an unknown sea monster >emperor augustus used ancient artifacts as decorations in one of his villas, including the bones of monstersThe only thing that's changed is our reach and that we're studying them as actual animals instead of monsters. If someone found something strange 1000 years ago there was nobody he could call to take a look. There weren't people traveling the world recording bones, no museums to donate to or any incentive to do anything with them. The best he could do is shrug and ask a priest who'd tell him something about dragons.
>anons are STILL feeding this retardYikes
>>5145665So we DO have dinosaur bones from ancient times? Can I see them? Any explanation on why we have mesopotamian bread sales records but nothing on mythical beast/dragon bones? Doesnt that seem more important than bread sales?>>5145666You already conceded when you couldn't provide evidence, and could only use ad hominem. Bye!
>>5145665Thats a whale bone BTW. Not a dinosaur bone. Funny how dragon bones are not dinosaur bones, but a common creature everyone has written about forever.
>>5145671How would we have dino bones from 2000 years ago? That's an insane amount of goal post moving. The best we have is writings.
>>5145665>>5145671Holy relics have always been a huge scam. The bones of a saint, the heart of a martyr, the holy grail, the shroud of Turin, blah blah blah they were all scams to fleece semi-poor or middle-class zealots. The entirety of the Renaissance and Enlightenment and Protestant Reformation and Industrial Revolution was based off one group of aristocracy wanting to end the Catholic monopoly on scams, so they invented their own religion, Science.>https://chemtrails.substack.com/p/snake-oil-and-the-rise-of-the-dinosaurs
>>5145677Okay, everything is a scam, you figured it out. Now you can believe anything you want and pretend anyone who thinks differently is part of a grand conspiracy to call you retarded.
>>5145679If paleontology and dinosaurs are fraudulent, then the millions if not couple billion dollars propping up the field/industry is illegal. Museums and universities should be held to the same standard as a rogue bishop selling Saint Justin's underpants, which would be fines and jail time for anyone complicit.
>>5145674>How would we have dino bones from 2000 years ago?The same way we have clay tablets of bakery disputes from 2000 years ago.>>5145677Pretty much. The shroud of Turin does appear to be as old as claimed due to carbon daring.>>5145681BASED. Thats what I'm getting at with the OP. They mislead the public on purpose. They don't explicitly tell everyone all the display pieces are fake. They don't tell everyone the half open rock wasn't found like that, its a fake skelton cast in plaster. It also explains why they would keep up this illusion. MASSIVE amounts of funding. Billions of dollars. They get to charge ticket sales. They get to artificially promote "science" above religion. It has nothing to do with the factual study of the world.
>>5145624>Didnt write about it though?Research Long gu (dragon bones). They appear in the Shennong Bencaojing documenting Chinese medicine of the 1st and 2nd centuries.Clearly its not dragons, but dinosaur bones.
>>5145144They are dragons.Gotta make up a story to make sure the world doesn’t know who our actual gods and overlords were (are).
>>5145624Eventually 4chan is going to realize your bullshit drives limited engagement but doesn't attract a single new user to the siteand more importantly chases sane people away.and then they're going to get rid of you. Probably soon given traffic lately. You're not doing your job.
>>5145697Wikipedia states those are mostly mammal bones. That would only explain a lack of Dino bones in china, not everywhere else.>>5145709You are so bad at debate you think my posts will get 4chan shut down? Lmao.
>>5145722>Wikipedia statesngmi
>>5145723>i want proof of dinosaur bones>look up the Chinese word for dragon bones, thats probably dino bones>look inside>rhinos, deer, horses, hyena, tapirs, orangutan, porkupine, panda, mammal bones, petrified wood, oxGuess what's not in that list? DINOSAUR BONES
>show me the proof>no i mean proof you personally saw>earth is 600 years old!your questions were already answeredyou are a paranoid schizophrenic
>>5145737BUT MUH BREAD
Dinosaur bones aren't that easy to find, usually they're encased in rocks and hard to tell what they are unless you know what you're looking for. On the rare cases people found them, they just assumed they were giants/dragons/creatures that died in the great flood.
>>5145722>You are so bad at debate you think my posts will get 4chan shut down? Lmao.no4chan is bleeding users because they employ literal retards like you to spam rage bait all day.and at some point someone is going to approach the owner with an offer to make the place profitable by getting rid of you
>>5145964Are you threatening to attempt to negotiate a hit job with hiro? LmaoActual schizophrenicAnd having served with the JIDF – I know a schizo when I see one
>>5145981You're the only schizo here. But to a schizo everyone seems crazythis is why nobody wants to talk to you by the way. This is why the place gets quieter every year
>>5145983Who am I?Link 3 of my postsProvide pictures of my dog and cat as well
>>5145681>If paleontology and dinosaurs are fraudulent, then the millions if not couple billion dollars propping up the field/industry is illegal>couple billion dollarsLmao. Yeah. For 300 years, the Freemasons have been using dinosaurs and mammoths and mosasaurs to fleece the public of upwards of thousands of dollars in funding per year so they can go live in tents on the desert for 8 months.
>>5145988Why?You just deny being youI would too, you're a piece of shit
>>5146008>no, because then my delusions would be shattered and i wouldn’t accept that3 posts. Dog. Cat. Don’t be a pussy.
>>5146010You don't fool anyone because there's almost nobody here
>>5145852Nobody throughout history wrote about or kept this alleged mythical beast bone? Not a single one?>>5145964>>5145981>>5145983>>5145988Samefag derailing
>>5146008>>5146010>>5146023Samefag is mad dinosaurs are a hoax and he can't provide proof of them from before 1700.>>5145999>thousandsIts billions of dollars.
>>5146029>>5146027RetardThere were dinosaur bones before 1700. People simply destroyed them or ignored them, and those who did not ignore them could not take them. Excavating one intact takes skill. They just said they were dead monsters. https://classics.stanford.edu/publications/first-fossil-hunters-dinosaurs-mammoths-and-myth-greek-and-roman-timesYou can find info like this all over the placeWhat you cant find is, say… consistency in the bible unless you assume paul was a false apostle and everything in the OT not postfixed with so saith the lord is made up.
>>5146049MESOPOTAMIAN BREADBREEEEEAD
This will forever be true
>>5146083>more and more internet users will believe everything they readIncredibly grim
>>5146083>>5146087>non sequitur genetic fallacyCan you provide an explanation to why ancient people never wrote about or preserved dinosaur bones? The only answer so far is>ancient people ate them and never wrote about it
I feel like the Jewish shills are really mad at this thread. Almost zero discussion on facts or history, just calling people stupid for not believing in circular reasoning.
>>5146098They probably just said they were dragons or something else, kind of like how ancient people explained elephant skulls as cyclopses.
>>5146109JEWISH BREADIN MESOPOTAMIA
>>5145144Half of the animals on earth TODAY weren't discovered by "science" until a century ago, why would this be surprising?
>>5146124They didn't though. Zero writings or physical artifacts.>>5146147Because big S "Science" is a modern religion and scam for tax dollars through grant money?Youre also talking about species, not broad categories of animals. Ancient people extensively wrote about whales, horses, cows, wolves, etc.
>>5146193wrong
>>5146193It's so interesting how every politically captured person always recites the exact same stuff with the exact same wording over and over like from a script or pamphlet. Marching orders.
>>5146193As opposed to a pre-modern religion where your omnipotent god didn’t bother to tell us clear facts about life and the history of this planet?
>>5146208It's literally schizophrenic stereotypy from persecution complex
This thread is proof that humans truly are the worst animals on this planet. What a waste of resources that have gone into getting us to this specific point in time.
>>5145691You're being intentionally obtuse, or an actual retard.That a single random clay tablet about baking disputes is a significant historical artifact should clue you in on how fucking rare any artifact from that long ago are. How many clay tablets about baking disputes and any other mundane facts of life do you think have been lost to time, you goddamn mouth breather? If out of untold millions and billions of daily life doodads from 2-3000 years ago have been lost to time for one to survive, you think what is the chance is for, what is essentially a exceedingly rare hunk of stone in bone shape to survive? Even if some were not ground up into alchemist powder or elixirs of giants strength and were stored in vaults or churches, said vaults and churches burn down, get pillages, looted or destroyed by the next group of people with a different sky daddy belief. Fucking shit you're so goddamn retarded.
>>5146226Tech progress is purely a numbers game. For every useful person you have to raise a few million relatively useless ones.Technologically useless people resenting technology is expected and ignored
>>5146194About?>>5146208>>5146214Not an argument. (Genetic fallacy and claiming mental illness) kill yourself kike>>5146211Thanks for proving my point modern Science is a religion, and you think it teaches us about the world when it barely knows anything, while intentionally lying (like the OP subject which you still haven't proven existed before 1699.)
>>5146226>>5146253These posts are proof that when you challenge the religion of Science, you can't provide the most basic evidence, which is supposed to be your holy grail.>>5146241>WE HAVE ZERO EVIDENCE... JUST BECAUSE OK??? YES WE HAVE BAKING RECORDS AND KIDS BITCHING ABOUT WORN CLOTHES, BUT NOT SOMETHING WAY MORE IMPORTANT AND HOLY!!!You are coping. You have no evidence. You have the opposite of evidence, conjecture.
>I only believe things with evidence. I follow the scientific method>why is there zero evidence for dinosaurs before 1699? >REEE REEE THIS MAN IS A MENTALLY ILL SCHIZOPHRENIC! MEDICATE OR JAIL HIM!Thanks for confirming Dinos are a Jewish scam?
>>5146275If you weren't mentally ill you'd realize you're ignoring examples for the sake of your own pre- drawn conclusions and then only accepting examples from places that even now have almost no dinosaurs.And failing to realize that past cultures were creationists, cretins, and imbeciles just like you
Either people are actually this stupid, or this committed to getting a rise out of others on the internet, depressing either way.
>>5146271The existence of genes and embryology alone (if we ignore fossil evidence) makes it impossible for Biblical Genesis and anything but the modern, scientific view of evolution and abiogenesis to be true. Calling this “intentionally lying” is preposterous.
>>5146279>genetic fallacy, not an argumentWho knew the strongest believers in Science™ can only call you mentally ill when you ask for their own evidence.>>5146302Provide evidence of dinosaurs before 1699.
>>5146311>Provide evidence of dinosaurs before 1699Straw manYou're the only "person" claiming such evidence should existBecause you're a fucking retard
>>5145340>People have really only known about animals in a biological sense for the past couple of hundred years. Also important to mention that the concept of deep time just didn't exist at all until the 18th/19th centuries. Most cultures either believed in a young Earth only a few thousand years old or that Earth was eternal but static and mostly unchanging.
>>5146311You were linked a book about this obscure subject earlier in this thread. The book even directs you to the primary evidence. Why is it obscure? Because fossils have been independently discovered so many times the alternative to dinosaurs existing is evil aliens creating our planet from scratch and then planting fake bones and puppeteering every institution and knowledgeable individual to convince us it’s older to stop us from following a cult started by other aliens that is, itself, blatantly wrong about well tested and proven things and basically alt history because it is the grapevined and mythologized and then stolen oral history of a small group of indo-iranians that tried and failed to conquer the levant, went native, and got all but wiped out by rome. What you imagine is the beginning of all history i imagine as some pale injun-tier primitives telling campfire stories>up that mountain, grugg ancestor noah came. lots of water then. sun was angry.
>>5146278>you're ignoring examples for the sake of your own pre- drawn conclusions>has yet to provide examples prior to 1699>>5146279>still no evidence, just the genetic fallacy/ad hominem>>5146302NOBODY CARESPROVIDE EVIDENCE OF DINOSAURS PEIOR TO 1699.>>5146328>youre retarded if you question science™I didn't know the foundation of the scientific method was calling people stupid when they ask for evidence.
>>5146696None of that is relevant to evidence that dinosaurs existed prior to 1699. The fact you faggots keep spamming>THE EARTH ISNT 6000 YEARS OLD>EVOLUTION>ABIOGENESISWhen asked for EVIDENCE OF DINOSAURS kinda proves the point they are a way to attack religion, and scientific evidence of dinosaurs existence is secondary to that goal.I'll ask again. Provide evidence of dinosaurs prior to 1699, and not excuses like "people ate the bones and never wrote about it."
>>5146733>Roman naturalist Pliny the Elder wrote of "tongue stones", which he called glossopetra. These were fossil shark teeth, thought by some classical cultures to look like the tongues of people or snakes.[20] He also wrote about the horns of Ammon, which are fossil ammonites, whence the group of shelled octopus-cousins ultimately draws its modern name. Pliny also makes one of the earlier known references to toadstones, thought until the 18th century to be a magical cure for poison originating in the heads of toads, but which are fossil teeth from Lepidotes, a Cretaceous ray-finned fish.[21]>b-but dinosaursDinosaur fossils are a rarity even among fossils.Of course it would be the far more common index fossils of things like ammonites or fish teeth that would be regularly encountered enough to develop their own mythology among pre-modern people.
>>5146732You're asking for evidence of YOUR fantasyOf course nobody has evidence of that, it's your fucking fantasy, retard
