>>5148892
I’m tired of “winning”

>>5148892
I hate this fat orange faggot.

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>>5148892

What's wrong with finding a balance between protecting the environment and allowing development?

>>5148914
Because they're not finding one. And this "development" is not going to be for new homes. It's going to be for data centers.

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I fear what this means for conservation of the wolf :(

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Don't worry about it.

>>5148892
Puppet prez does the wishes of the ruling class, as usual.
Sucks for the critters.

>>5148921
Even if there's a blue wave in the midterms, how many years is it going to take to fix the two years of damage thus far?

>>5148930
blue and red are two arms of the same machine, and the machine is a meat grinder. You and animals are equally meat. I do not consider the opinions of my bratwurst, but I do appreciate its juiciness.

>>5148939
>muh two wings, same bird
in some respects, this is true, but in terms of conservation, you'd have to be braindead, paid off, or both to think R and D are equally as bad

>>5148939
>penniless, basement NEET pontificating
lmao

>>5148939
You would've had a point before 2025. One wing has flown entirely off the deep end.

>>5148892
India and China do insane amounts of damage to the environment. Until they start touching them, I refuse to take any environmental stuff seriously. The chinese fishing fleets should be annihilated.

>>>/pol/

>>5148892
The endangered species act has been weaponized against Americans a lot (like with the spotted owl), but none of what Zognald will do is going to help anyone besides the AI datacenter companies.

>>5148964
yeah, the democrats, theyre being supplanted by literal communists, the people that have an even worse environmental policy

>>5148914
What balance you fucking genius? The entire hand is on the scale and it’s not in favor of the environment.

>>5148914
>finding a balance
>releases the kill all endangered species act

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>>5148919
I feel you bro :( Makes me doubtful they will still exist in the US by the time this gets reversed. Probably isn't the last of it either. At least they'll always be in Canada...

>>5148892
it doesn't really matter, the manmade biosphere collapse is coming for everything and doesn't give a shit about protected status

>>5148892
You voted for this.

>>5148939
>le both sides are the same!
While this is true, I've been seeing this sentiment A LOT more in the past year compared to almost never seeing it during Biden's term. I think many rightoids are having voter's remorse but are terrified of admitting they were wrong about Trump so they just performatively fencesit instead

>>5149233
Roy Cohn’s three rules of winning:

1) Attack, attack, attack
2) Admit nothing, deny everything
3) Claim victory, and never admit defeat

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>>5149250
Trump did well choosing to have his asshole plowed by Cohn

>>5149233
that's an interpretation that fits with your existing views, an alternative one is that republicans are more likely to admit their guy sucks

>>5149296
Doubtful. Just look at how unpopular Biden was at the end of his run

>>5149296
>republicans are more likely to admit their guy sucks
Extreme doubt. I always see people on 4chan at least double down, blame someone else, or say it's fake/a smear

>>5149233
It's almost like trump lied about everything which pissed off his base far more than biden doing everything demcorats agreed with at the time.

By now, I would have rather voted directly for President Benjamin Netanyahu over any of these clowns. Fuck just send Yair over here and make him emperor. It would be an improvement.
>And for my first decree, I am improving conditions in pig farms - by banning them. Oy vey.
>*Americans lost 50lbs just hearing that*

>>5149297
people refused to acknowledge anything until that debate

>>5149302
>President Netanyahu:
>Makes everything kosher
>Changes national anthem to hava nagila
>Free healthcare done right just like Israel
>Endangered species act doesn't have to be gutted outright and just has rodents, fish, and birds under 5lbs removed because bibi is actually smart and understands nuance
>Everyone wins

>>5149310
then explain why more people are saying both sides suck more than ever

>>5149312
so do republicans say their guy sucks or not?

>>5149317
They voted for trump because of what he promised, not what he is currently doing, and because of what kamala didn't promise and had a track record of doing.

This entire administration feels like a blatant attempt at discrediting correct right wing views. Take "anti-MRNA vaccine = anti ALL vaccine" bullshit in the media and just extend that concept it to everything.

We have literally no choice but to just stay the course and keep incompetent republicans in power because the other option is now mal-educated liberals throwing the country away south africa style.

Its not that I am against using our natural resources in principle, its the execution of it, especially this party and this president. I simply don't trust the process. I grew up in coal country and the things I saw as a kid would gag a maggot, speaking specifically of strip mining. You see a mountainside that was strip mined back then, and I don't know how else to describe it other than instinctively seeing desecration. And I am talking 10 years old and seeing it. It just looked like a cabal of monsters waged war on nature itself.

Most recently, this mining for minerals in the Pacific gives me the heebie jeebies. I want to believe that the ecosystems there are already sparse and hardy, able to take the damage. I think the end product of the minerals is a bigger concern, but thats a subjective point of view.

What bothers me is that I don't think they know what the impact will be and more infuriating, they don't care to know. It just doesn't interest the business. And its been my observation that they will get away with exactly whatever they are allowed to unless someone with authority steps in.

And there are no good guys in these stories. The people charged with protecting such areas are just as often as not simply withholding them for their own cronies to get later.

I am for energy and, in theory, responsible industry, if there is such a thing, which is impossible without competent regulation and integrity. Its not an abstract. The planet and people on it stand to lose things forever if they aren't protected. But this seemingly common-sense consideration never seems to be a sincere part of the discussion. It seems like it is just people virtue signalling as cover for their own agendas.

>>5149296
>republicans are more likely to admit their guy sucks
Thanks for the laugh anon, I needed that.

>>5149321
And another thing that pisses me off: this is alway supposed to be a win for public and our wealth and IT NEVER IS. EVER.

The wealth always leaves the country and/or gets kicked up. These people come in and wreck the ecosystem, poison water and then expect a thank you for leaving as little destruction as possible and a new baseball field or some shit. Its not just plunder and vandalism, its robbery as well.

>>5149324
It's shit like this that is starting to make me think the monarchistfags are right. Democracy is just a revolving door of people (oftentimes people that should NEVER be in public office) that are basically using the office for their own and friend's enrichment and then fucking off and going "fuck you got mine". Maybe it is better if we had people that were groomed from birth to be leaders of a country.

>>5149327
The monarchists were always right. Democracy caused the collapse of greece and nearly caused the collapse of rome. It was always, always a horrid idea.

>>5149327
democracy literally destroyed athens, it speaks volumes when the creator is destroyed by its own creation, and its fanboys, the romans, didnt adopt it. theres a reason why you had you had to be a land owner when the constitution was drafted, they wanted a system to emulate aristole's aristocracy, having some ghetto trash voting for only bread and circuses causes a lot of problems, along with foreigners with dual citizenship and communists

>>5149317
I voted for trump because people like you overreached for two decades and created this tranny dystopia

>>5149334
>tranny dystopia
It's shit like this that shows you the incels that voted for the orange pedo don't live in reality. With the way tranners make them seethe you'd think they were half the population.

>>5149334
>>5149340
>less than 1% of COVID infections result in death by COVID or comorbidies
>Retardicans: it's fake
>less than 1% of the population is transgender
>Retardicans: OMG TRANNIES EVERYWHERE IT'S AN EPIDEMIC
lmao

>>5149340
are there really more chuddy incels out there than trannies though?

>>5148892
man i just want one part of the internet i can go where i don't have to see this child molesting lorax is that so much to ask?

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Animals & Nature?

>>5148914
>What's wrong with looting the natural world? Oy vey think of the profits!

>>5148892
Good because there is no point in keeping endangered species alive just for the sake of it while blocking development. Millions of species went extinct before humanity even appeared and yet nobody cares.Meanwhile other species adapt and thrive in human-created landscapes.

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>>5149296
>republicans are more likely to admit their guy sucks
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

why do you faggots always lie. you're fucking pathetic.

why did jannies delete the original?

>>5149321
While I understand your feeling of seeing desecration I also don't think conservationism is an answer. We would benefit massively by shifting focus from conservationism to enriching urban sprawl with nature (more plants/habitats/whatever for animals/bugs/birds). This would solve a dozen problems for both humans and animals. The whole dichotomy between "nature" and "man-made" should be erased. Humans are nature. Humans benefit from being close to nature. Instead of fighting to conserve specie #52341231 that nobody will come in contact with anyway, we should fight to make cities full of flora and fauna. Literally just build concrete roofs over all parking lots, put soil, grass, bushes there, and let bugs and birds and animals settle there.

I cannot bring myself to care, because nothing can be done anyway. Ina decade or two it will become apparent how fucked we are, and nobody will be able to deny it. And that's when the fabric of society will begin to unravel. Thus I've become an acceleration it's. Fuck it. Drill baby drill.

>>5148892
There is something to be said about climate change activists being obnoxious. Driving an electric car around isn’t going to save the world or make any difference at all. I live in an area where our electricity comes from coal. My roommate brags about his electric car and what he’s doing for the environment but he’s just literally rolling coal everywhere he goes. Some of the thought process is absolutely lobotomized when it comes to carbon emissions. Not shit over here is going to matter when China and India do what they do unobstructed. Also, there are many factors which contribute to climate change. Huge wind farms, for example, remove large amounts of energy from the wind and that changes heat maps. The map of wind farms compared to the map of all these wet bulb events say a lot.
That said, attacking the forests and endangered species list is the most retarded imaginable reaction to that.

>>5149453
I don't believe anyone brags about how green they are. No one. And certainly not anyone you've ever, ever encountered nevermind your roommate specifically. I am the Duchess of Winnipeg. See? I can post false, retarded nonsense like you, too.

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>itt the mentally retarded defend their coerced political 'beliefs'
you're being looted

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>>5148892
my take is whatever enviromentalism gets up too cannot even begin to hope to mitigate this bullshit
thats 1 country whose shit travels all across the world
and thats just the shit garbage disposal in that region is the sea and then theres festivals where they drive whole carts batteries and all into the ocean
If you want to fix climate change, the west (not just the US) is not where measures should be taken
I am a nonamerican for refference so I have no opinion on trump

>>5149456
Whatever dude. I have to listen to NPR with him whenever we go anywhere. There’s this show on sundays, I think, where they talk about etymology and I like that one.
It’s big world and people are different. Believe whatever you want.

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>>5149481
that image is shooped btw and is about the 2004 indonesian tsunami.
but i know that's not going to stop you from thinking it's about "feces concentration" and still posting it.

>>5149445
i don't think your idea and his are mutually exclusive

>>5149487
Yes, yes, you "have to" listen to NPR because simply going out or putting in earbuds or telling your roommate to turn it off/down is an utter impossibility. Not only am I the Duchess of Winnipeg, but I fucked her, too. I am the Duchess and I fucked her. And I'm the Viceroy of Tuscaloosa, as well. And the President of Burundi.

>>5149530
he's clearly talking about in the car

>>5149441
>Meanwhile other species adapt and thrive in human-created landscapes.
Yeah, what's so bad about living in a world where the only things you ever see are roaches, weeds, pigeons, and other natural survivors.

>>5148965
This, plus Indonesia. The bugmen starving as a result is a plus.

>>5148892
Nothing he does is going to stick

>>5149481
Why would you embarrass yourself publicly like this

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>>5149569
>the year is 2100...
>the only birds are house sparrows, common mynas, and pigeons
>the only bugs are mosquitos, roaches, and spotted lanternflies
>the only plants are bermudagrass, bamboo, and tree of heaven
>the only animals are us, cats, and feral hogs

>>5149569
>>5149638
>all kinds of parrots colonizing European cities
>corvids
>raccoons
>mustelids
>foxes
>boars
>rodents
>hares
>hedgehogs
>deer
>the list goes on

I live almost in the center of a 1 million pop city in Europe and I've seen more animals here than in nature. I assume it's because they stopped fearing humans as much here. Saw a huge polecat several times, saw fox cubs playing on a pile of sand from a construction site several evenings in a row, saw a magpie teasing a hare with a french fry. Boars walking around, deer, water mammals. The city just distributes bait with rabies vaccines and places those bug hotels half assedly, I'm sure if there was an actual effort to create a hospitable environment for animals there would be even more.

>>5149529
They're not mutually exclusive in theory but in practice conservationism dominates public discourse. This makes me think it's mostly weaponized by interest groups, because I can't imagine people (ecologists, hippies, whatever, anyone) going, "WTF. They want to start mining in that far away forest. A slightly different specie of mice lives there! Oh the humanity!" I get, "I live next to the forest and I don't want it destroyed", but I don't believe people near that forest are aware/care about some obscure species.

And if you think about it conservationism is even dumber now with the climate change. You're gonna preserve some species only for it to die out 10 years later because conditions changed and a species more suitable to the new situation took over that area.

Release parrots everywhere.

>>5149530
I feel really bad for anybody who has to interact with your sperg ass in real life lmfao

>>5148892
>senile drunkard saying senile drunkard things
it's a shame, really

>>5149714
Trump's actually a notorious teetotaler: he does coke.

>>5149696
Damn. Maybe we should stop changing the climate then?

>>5149714
>>5149716
He's just stupid, there's no reason to cope around it. Charismatic, outspoken, classic media persona, but stupid. It's a winning combo for your average voter, because, they too, are very stupid.

>>5149696
>bro who gives a shit it's just going to die anyway lmao
conservatives showing their true colors

>>5148892
Why don't animals count as american

>>5149304
Bibi is obsessed with cats and would make it illegal to kill them like in Israel and Yair would make you go to war to protec Greece and Armenia

>>5149304
>>Free healthcare
No such thing.
t. European

What exactly are conservatives conserving?

>>5149831
Rape babies mostly.
They don't even conserve Israel like the antisemitic joke, because Mossad begged them NOT to bomb Iran and they did it anyway
Honestly, its so cruel to notice that there is increased rape and then make abortion illegal.

>>5148892
What did Animals ever do to White people? This is not the first time. They killed all the cheetahs in South Asia for fun even though cheetahs are the only harmless large cat
And before you guys start blaming brown people, Native Americans didn't hunt anyone to death and Jews, Buddhists and Hindus believe that animals have souls

>>5149831
The ability of Israel to dictate US foreign policy

>>5149841
Mossad begged Trump not to do shit several times and he did it, and when that did not work he blamed it on Mossad
It's more likely that they are preserving rape babies and old man egos

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>>5149445
>>5149695
I think that as we lose more land to development then we should put more effort into making the existing land as good as possible
What I mean by this is if you have a tiny suburban creek why not build a dam and turn it into a several acres of swamp or wetland. That area is now a thousand times more diverse and useful for wildlife.
Or actually cutting down shitty second growth forest and let it grow back as meadows and grassland that can support species that need open areas like birds and reptiles. Disturbance is good for the environment (to an extent) and creates the most complex ecosystems as things regenerate. Every year will be something different as different species naturally succeed others.

I've talked to some other people about this but most modern conservationists are of the opinion that we should "HECKING LEAVE NATURE ALONE AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!" which leads to mediocre habitat because once again, disturbance is good and habitat needs to be regularly managed.

>>5149878
>and habitat needs to be regularly managed
I wouldn't even call it a management, really. It's about creating good basic opportunities.
>make a pond
>put up some nests
>down couple of (dying) trees and let them rot
>make woodpiles
>drill holes to dead wood for insects
It's a month per year work at most.

>>5149836
Christianity demands the annihilation of everything displeasing to Jews

>>5149836
>Native Americans didn't hunt anyone to death
lmfao

>>5149441
>Millions of species went extinct before humanity even appeared
Through natural causes upon generations. Rapid human made habitat destruction, over exploitation, ect is not natural.

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>>5149431
yes

>>5148892
Good. Yeah, I wish we didn't have to get rid of wildlife areas, but christ we have such a high demand for housing and so many fucking humans nowadays, especially newcomers into the country. I don't know why Native Americans need so much god damn land since all they do is drink booze and own casinos.

>>5149380
>>>/x/ tier idea warning
I believe he has some unholy deal with unworldly demonic entities to have his face and billions of peoples' attention on him at all times and harvested of strong emotion whether love or hate. it manifests in such ways as being front page of newspapers daily and such as this but the underlying cause is metaphysical spiritual support from loosh harvesting entities. so, no, unless you specifically sanitize your browsing, but even then some fag will have a car sticker or something

>>5148914
Given that habitat destruction is the main threat for most species? I wonder

>>5150307
Examples?

>>5150927
nearly all of north and south america's megafauna, for one
multiple island species, killing all the flightless birds and all of the ground sloths
how about burning down entire forests to hunt a few deer
game drives?
you didnt actually fall for the 'noble savage' meme, right?

>>5148892
I think 4chan actively helped make this a thing because they were mad complete strangers wanted to cut their dick off, and they wanted to say "retarded."

>>5148965
>Until they start touching them, I refuse to take any environmental stuff seriously.
The main and repeated defense FROM India and China is "why should we do anything when the US doesnt?"
Congrats on being as petty and selfish as jeets and chinks.

>>5150934
>you didnt actually fall for the 'noble savage' meme, right?
The amount of people who still believe this nonsense in current year is staggering.

People still obsessed with defining world values as left or right are glowies and I can't wait to enjoy their fried limbs once we finally draw and quarter every single government official with the slightest stain on their record. Anyone with more power than you is your enemy, be it monarchy or democracy. Glow all you want. The real evil is the rich and it'll always be that way until we finally mob rule them. Because for some reason, you can talk and convince a normal person, but these billionaire ghouls have neither soul, no intellect, no conscious. They enjoy destroying people, nature, and children. Im honestly shocked someone didn't blow orange mans brains out at the sheer obviousness of all this evil, but rightoids being the biggest pussy of the two has always been the meme. At least the left didn't authorize a 'kill all endanged animal' bill and called it conservation. I want to eat these old fucks while they're still alive and screaming.

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>>5150934
Mega fauna was a worldwide thing, the only place unaffected in some way was Africa.
>killing all the flightless birds and all of the ground sloths
Debatable at best. And control burnings are small potatoes if you compre it with current mass deforestation.

>>5150987
NTA but you should stop pushing the goalpost.

>>5150989
NTA no goalpost was moved, dont be dishonest.

>>5149453
>The map of wind farms compared to the map of all these wet bulb events say a lot.
Unironically post one to prove yourself right. This is "nuking a hurricane to divert its course" level of bullshittery.

>>5150987
>Mega fauna was a worldwide thing
okay? the main catalyst for their extinctions were humans. are native americans magically exempt from their role in this? i guess the megafauna that died out ONLY in north and south america such as horses and camels are magically exempt too
>Debatable at best.
huh?? its objective that native american tribes expanding into the caribbean decimated multiple species of animals, especially the island xenarthrans and ground dwelling birds, which i gave you as example
>small potatoes
cool, glad you dont contest they did this, extensively. i wouldnt call scorched earth on forest creatures and driving thousands of animals off cliffs small potatoes. and we're not comparing anything lmfao, you posited that muh indians "didnt hunt 'anyone' to death" which is very clearly not true

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>>5150940
>I want to eat these old fucks while they're still alive and screaming.

i like you.

>>5150940
>Anyone with more power than you is your enemy
And this is why all white people should die.

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>>5148914
>development
bro we NEED to clearcut all our forests, and pollute our soil, waterways and air so that the number on the screen goes up!!!!!
LINE
GO
UP

>>5148965
>immediate whataboutism
yeah bro, if china is polluting we should cut down all our national forests because, uh, reasons

>>5149445
>enriching urban sprawl with nature
>I have just brought 1000 more innocent animals into contact with urban sprawl so they can die horribly as roadkill

>>5149825
Can't shoot a gun liberal

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>>5148939
Both sides vehemently hate Nazis and Hitler, who strongly supported animal rights and true environmentalism, so I'm taking a third position.

>>5151340
Never forget.

"Several Nazis were environmentalists, and species protection and animal welfare were significant issues in the Nazi regime.[3] Heinrich Himmler made an effort to ban the hunting of animals.[4] Hermann Göring was a professed animal lover and conservationist,[5] who threatened to commit Germans who violated Nazi animal welfare laws to concentration camps.[5] In his private diaries, Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a vegetarian who was contemptuous of Judaism for the ethical distinction they drew between the value of humans and the value of animals;[6][5] Goebbels also mentions that Hitler planned to discourage slaughterhouses in the German Reich following the conclusion of World War II.[6] The Nazi government made a law against animal testing.

The current animal welfare laws in Germany were initially introduced by the Nazis.[7]"

>>5149836
Only a jeet can be this confidently retarded. Holy shit indeed.

>>5148892
>Orange man
An orangutan is better at leading.