I wish I got to see the Great Auk or Haast's eagle
Dinosaurs and land crocs. It's a shame all we got out of that lineage are birds and modern crocs and alligators. Marine reptiles get an honorable mention too.
>>5150982never forget the sheer despair of how it ended
>>5150982Now imagine riding one...
>>5151020>The last lineage of land crocs died only 3000 years agoThe extinction of Land Crocs is especially frustrating, since we were so close to seeing them.
>>5150982>we could've had native wild parrots as far north as chicago and new yorkI'm still upset.
>>5151066More despair.
northern white rhino :(
>>5150982never forget
>>5151020>>5151051youre also forgetting the giant dragon turtles of meiolania and that was only 2000 years ago because of abbos
>>5151425Someone should make a documentary about the Steller's Sea Cow. And call it "27 years" because that's how long it took for them to go extinct after they were discovered by Europeans.
It's absolutely mind blowing to think this massive sloth was alive around 10,000 years ago. I feel like it's not talked about nearly enough...
Speaking of animals no one talks about. Did you know there was an island cave goat called Myotragus balearicus, that might have been the only cold blooded mammal in history to exist? and it's also the only goat species to have front facing eyes? This is because it lived in the island caves for millions of years, and the cave habitat caused it to evolve similarly to how amphibians and reptiles have? Pretty cool right.Anyway humans discovered it about 4,000 years ago and hunted them to death
>>5151696yeah, for some reason the algorithm included that in my recommendations, in fact, lately I have seen so many stuff around here that suddenly pops up while I'm watching shorts and stuff like that. it's the government spying on me again? probably yes.
>>51516961, it wasn't cold blooded, 2. it wasn't cave dwelling, it fed off boxwood, which needles to say, needs sunlight to grow.The fact it ate boxwood is pretty cool though as boxwood is toxic.
>>5150982Glyptodonts and Meiolaniids. Two shots at a modern day ankylosaur wasted.
The Sardinian Pika was the last member of an ancient lineage of lagomorphs that was somewhat related to modern pikas thought to have gone extinct around 2000 years ago, but may have persisted until the 1700s.I guess it wouldn't be that special, but I'm annoyed that this lineage may have died out right before it would've become known to science.>>5151739Why were its eyes front facing then?
>>5151021>The last pair...was killed...on request from a merchantSay it with me.EVERYSINGLETIME
>>5151693>this massive sloth was alive around 10,000 years agoDamn I knew your mom was old but I had no idea she was THAT old.
>>5151835Most likely an energy saving measure. It had a reduced brain size, including the vision processing parts of it's brain. There were no predators so it didn't need the wide field of vision and binocular vision impoved it's near sight to compensate for it's reduced visual processing power.
>>5151865Funny how you read the wikipedia page and every other sentence is just about energy savings. I guess that's what you get for living on an inhospitable rock with nothing edible growing there.>>5151835Probably no predators so no need for a wide fov + rocky terrain so depth perception is useful.
>>5151021I'm pretty sure the Caribbean monk seal had a similar tragic end. In the mid 1800s these precious seals were pretty much all but gone, with a very small amount of them surviving on a small collection of reefs and a small cay known as the Triangles.An expedition team found about 42 of them in that area, and slaughtered them so they could be brought to a museum. Their numbers were already in decline at this point, and by the 1950s they were basically declared extinct. With no sightings since. If only they turned that reef into a sanctuary instead of a final grave, then maybe they'd still be alive today?
>>5151980What drives people to completely wipe species off the face of the planet like this?
>>5151984Conservation is an extremely modern concept
>>5151984because we're a species fueled by greed and exploitation. for much of our history we've rarely given a shit about the welfare of nature or animals or other people. we also have the horribly erroneous thinking of "ehhh it's nature it will always be there". also lack of education.
>>5151984mosttly greed and general carelesness for Nature. It's the same with other species, like how almost all wild forests are gone and 90% of what we see today are artificial forests planted in the last 150 years or sothat's said, it might be hard to care about nature when you are poor, uneducated and living hand to mouth.
>>5151984Stop being so antisemitic. Just think of the museum ticket sales.
>>5151987>modern conceptIt was a 20th century concept. Now that people have recently realized it's not compatible with the growth of an advanced society they're walking "conservation" back so the rest of us can live better lives.
>>5152005has your life gotten "better" in the past ~15 years? and i'm not talking about getting a girlfriend or things like that
>>5151980that wouldnt have done anything because it was a bunch of savages living out there
>>5151984Europeans have no concept of ecology, only greed.
>>5151984it would seem the current mindset in places like india is a stage a culture goes through.
>>5152028>savagesyou're talking about the white people that drove them to extinction right?
>>5152037no, the africans and natives, there werent a lot white people there, it was mostly slaves
>>5151021jesus fucking christ
>>5152174but the natives lived with the monk seal for countless generations.
>>5151021This actually sounds cartoonishly evil. What a horrific way to end a species.
>>5152207humans.... unrealOn the islet of Stac an Armin, St. Kilda, Scotland, in July 1840, the last great auk seen in Britain was caught and killed.[54] Three men from St. Kilda caught a single "garefowl", noticing its little wings and the large white spot on its head. They tied it up and kept it alive for three days, until a large storm arose. Believing that the bird was a witch and was causing the storm, they then killed it by beating it with a stick.[9][55]Jón Brandsson and Sigurður Ísleifsson, the men who had killed the last birds, were interviewed by great auk specialist John Wolley,[59] and Sigurður described the act as follows: The rocks were covered with blackbirds [guillemots] and there were the Geirfugles ... They walked slowly. Jón Brandsson crept up with his arms open. The bird that Jón got went into a corner but [mine] was going to the edge of the cliff. It walked like a man ... but moved its feet quickly. [I] caught it close to the edge – a precipice many fathoms deep. Its wings lay close to the sides – not hanging out. I took him by the neck and he flapped his wings. He made no cry. I strangled him.[8]:82–83
>>5151837It's telling you focus on that but completely ignore the Englishman's account about how their Navy systemically slaughtered them
>>5152005Tell me how the existence of the great auk and the monk seal was impairing human life
>>5152005>they're walking "conservation" back so the rest of us can live better livesLolLmao even
>>5151984Our carnivorous tendencies. basically every animal extinction and mass extirpation we caused was driven by us eating them or killing them off cuz they were eating our sources of meat or competed for resources by said meat source (livestock).I dream of a alternate timeline where hominids never evolved past australopithecines and all these animals still existed and their habitats weren't destroyed for agriculture and cities.
>>5152022Illegals getting shipping out, schools no longer being trans-programming centers, businesses growing without oppressive regulations, dangerous vax jabs getting replaced with natural foods, clean coal taking over for failed solar and wind projects, and no longer worrying about Iran dropping a nuke? I'm feeling pretty good about my life.
>>5152241And to think there are people still killing endangered animals on the brink in this day and age at an unsustainable rate where farming livestock should already be the norm for meat sources. Also that traditional medicine crap.
>>5151984Imagine cladistics don’t exist, and the caribbean monk seal has not been assigned its own classification for the purpose of grouping specimens and establishing evolutionary relationships because it is sufficient similar to other seals. Imagine you don’t have a concept for granular species and classify animals by immediately obvious and functional differences instead. You would not care. Imagine wolves being driven from one area being just that, not the tragic loss of a super unique wolf species known for being slightly smaller on average and having slightly darker noses.Imagine nobody believes the way the world is is also the way it ought to be. The ecological balance shifting after wolf extirpation is just safer woods, more deer for hunters, and less brush making riverbanks more accessible. Maybe the two and a half spot version of the 3 spot bark beetle is never seen again - who cares? Today you see it as dead forests and the irreversible destruction of unique plant communities that housed unique species.Now know that human beings are capable of one viewpoint or the other, and struggle to make sense of a nuanced middle position, which inevitably requires consciously condemning at least some species to death to make room for human development while still being able to see the value in the natural world.
>>5152275I am curious. If an endangered species of Rhino and Jefferey Epstein were both held at gun point and these guys had to save ONLY ONE, would they actually pick epstein or would they betray the morals they're spewing out?
>>5152279I dont see their statements as philosophical rules they’re pledging to follow. I think they’re offended because the tranny OP said someone is worse than an animal if they’re a white or black working class stereotype.
>>5152279liberal debate pseud>>5152281much smarter right wing debate schizo
>>5152244too on the nose, 4/10 bait
>>5152279To be fair, some of those comments are exaggerated or ragebait.
>>5152244Its sad that only one of these (clean coal) is false. Why cant the right be reasonably green? Everything else is great. >inb4 noooo you can’t stop iran from nuking israel I’ll have to be a welder for $23/hr+OT and give up new cars to afford my cozy lifestyle reeee war is hard and i only want to write code from home
>>5152297because hippies kept lying about green energy and stifled nuclear power which played right into the oil barons hands for removing their only form competition because they knew that green energy was a nothing burger and entirely reliant on fossil fuels to function
>>5152005Magatard hands typed this.
>capturing the power of the sun and the wind requires fossil fuels
Chendytes lawi, a large flightless seaduck that lived in California up until 2500 years ago. If they were still around today, they'd probably be fairly iconic since they'd be the only flightless seabirds in the north Pacific.
>>5152435it does retard, wind turbines requires plastic production and solar requires rare earth metals, youre not pulling that shit out of the ground with nothing, youre burning fossil fuels for all the vehicles and processing plants, because those things cannot run on the power provided by solar and wind because of their inefficiencies and unreliability, and lets not forget they degrade over time in about 15 years, all of which has to go into a landfill which has to be done with fossil fuels just so you repeat the process
>it's another "rightoid is deeply concerned about the environmental impact of something but only when it's politically expedient for them" episodeyeah i knew that was coming kek. no thanks, got tired of doing this argument years ago.
>>5152580The left is the whip of the right. Wind and solar are stupid on purpose to force people back to coal. Liberal social policies are bad on purpose to create support for what ends up being oil wars. And you cant foil it. If you vote left they make your country worse until you vote right. Same donors. Same people swapping lapel pins. Same shared investments. Same families. Same parties. Same pedophillic interests. Both parties are legitimately the same. You will never stop falling for it. You will keep subscribing to the left. How did you not feel manipulated when they told you that all the smart people vote democrat? LmaoSure the left is on your side this time they promiseThe right isnt lying this time they promiseKek
>>5152580its your standard, retard, its not my fault you cant live by your own standard of environmentalism, stop writing cheques that your ass doesnt have to cash.all you retards had to do was not discredit nuclear power, but you went "muh chernobyl" and now we cant have nice things.kill yourself along with the rest of you boomer hippiecrits
>>5152585Damn, the left sound pretty powerful if they were able to kill nuclear by themselves. What was the right doing? Oh yeah...supporting the oil companies that were putting out all the anti-nuclear propaganda. Woops!
>>5151021Whites will do shit like this and then act like Asians are inhuman monsters for eating dogs. You could spend all week reading examples of shit like this for various extinctions and not run out of content.>Believing the bird was a witch and was causing the storm, they killed it by beating it with a stick>1840Literal caveman tier.
>>5152005>if we want infinite human population growth then we need to accept that every other living thing will need to eventually be killedor, you know, maybe 8 billion people is already too many and we need less, not more, especially if having more means expanding our destruction of the natural world
>>5150982Imagine seeing pterosaurs in the flesh. Real dragons
>>5152680We eradicated most of out most subhuman people in ww1 and ww2. Coincidentally we had dog meat markets up until ww1 and ww2. After ww2 western ashkenazi jews average college graduate level iq while israel’s average iq is 92 and israeli ashkenazi average 98-100. Eugenics works.
>>5152683We don’t have 8 billion in the west. Its not even overpopulated. The problem is the investor class thats fake-rich off abstracted capital. If they don’t get infinite population growth (more cash moving, more loans taken, etc) they can’t stay in power. Hence 12 years of democrats and all they did against climate change was protecting fuckass rodents and creating new taxes to pass down (expenses and technology are the only things that trickle down in neo-feudalism)
>>5152701>israel’s average iq is 92 and israeli ashkenazi average 98-100.Nah, it's higher than that. Jews are one of the smartest cohorts in the world. Western ones anyway
>>5152732So if Jews are dumb but also rule the world, I can't imagine what that makes you
>>5152680Eh, china's issue is a generation/societal one. There's ongoing struggle between younger people who love pets/animals, and the older populace who cling to tradition.
>>5152777>Jews do not rule the world.Is this your cope after you got banned and are now ban evading?
>>5152777this. jews are not le ebil chosen people. they are just people. there is no difference between a jew and a normal person. they aren’t smarter. they aren’t dumber. they dont have conspiracies that are impossible for other people to have. claiming “the jews” control anything or are extra special is highly antisemitic.
>"Yo, anon, stop being a fag and hop on, dude"what do you do, /an/
>>5152705>Hence 12 years of democrats and all they did against climate change was protecting fuckass rodents and creating new taxes to pass down (expenses and technology are the only things that trickle down in neo-feudalism)Right, we should be following in Republican's footsteps which is dumping tens of billions of taxpayer dollars into ponzi schemes like Trumpcoin/AI and sheltering billionaire pedophiles
>>5152796>Moas were probably unafraid of humans since they had never encountered them beforeWhat was stopping the ancestors of the Maori from domesticating them?
>>5152977Slow breeding and growth rates.
>>5153002>Moas took 10 years to reach adult sizeHoly fuck that's slow, no wonder why they went extinct.I had assumed they only took 2-4 years to reach maturity like Ostriches.
Come to think of it, if the Polynesians didn't have chickens, I wonder how many species of Flightless Rails and ducks would've been domesticated instead of going extinct.
>>5151984the darkest evil ever present in the hearts of man, and the willing choice to indulge it.
>>5153084Its not even evil unless you assign moral value to a species classification AND apply shouldaknownshouldaagreedwithme retroactive morality to ancient people. Otherwise its like, there aren’t seals on that specific rock, but there are tons of seals elsewhere. Evil? Come the fuck on. What if future people adopt this belief system over yours and consider you the evil one? What if you wake up from stasis, and the earth is lush and green… and completely and thoroughly managed and domesticated - on the verge of hosting a fully biotech based society, and most of the animals you knew were purposefully replaced?
>>5153099>there aren’t seals on that specific rock, but there are tons of seals elsewhereTrivialization. How about we get rid of everyone with green eyes forever then. There's still plenty of white people, most people like blue eyes more, there's no meaningful difference in behaviors or other aspects so why should there be concern if this specific look disappeared forever?
>>5153099>moral relativism in 2026you don't actually believe this
>>5152274They crave it because it's illegal and taboo. It's psychopathyThey have a kink of being the last person to consume an endangered species
Another thread hijacked by rage baiters. Hidden
>>5153177Animal protection is also extremely weak. People like to rag on places like China but really everywhere there's very little deterrent because they are just animals and simply not assigned high enough value.
>>5151693We were so fucking close bros... In the grand scheme of the things10,000 years is super recent, I remember hearing much smaller ground sloths lived a bit longer in the Caribbean. Would've loved if these fuckers lived now. I wonder what interactions they'd have with humans if they were still around, I imagine the ones in South America would occasionally wander into small cities and maybe break a few things.
>>5154954The last Caribbean Sloths died a mere 5000 years ago.>I imagine the ones in South America would occasionally wander into small cities and maybe break a few things.There were old stories from the Indians describing "Giant Squirrels" wandering into their villages from time to time and eating the roofs off their houses, so assuming these stories were based off of events that actually happened in the distant past that's exactly what would be happening today.
>>5151021Why didn't they farm them?
>>5152685I agree with the sentiment but they are much weirder than dragons
>>5152680If you live in some parts of America even today, you'll find yokels (like my father who is thankfully dead now) who go out killing snakes thinking it's a holy thing to do since "snakes are signs of the devil".
>>5154954They'd have been wiped out by European sailors hungry for red meat, same as Stellar Sea Cow.
>>5151686Why did you say Europeans and not humans? When it’s jews and Africans decimating the Earth it’s “we” or “humans” but we have to specify Europeans? Racist troon.
>white people, who invented conservation, are the problemMost of the world sees conservation as morally invalid or just doesnt care. Africans are eradicating painted dogs btw
>>5156174Conservationism was invented by China.
>>5151702i know you are taking the piss, but everyone here has somewhat similar feeds obviously.
>>5151984People, generally, didn't give a fuck about nature until the past 120 years or so. For most of human history, the general human attitude towards everything around them was, at best "it's nature, there's so much of it we couldn't possibly make a dent in it no matter what we do" and at worst "it's nature and we are special and enlightened. we have the right to take as much from it as we want".
>>5151984Wh*te people are evil
https://youtu.be/nDRY0CmcYNU?si=713iSokxUGGPVp7QSometimes this feels like something I have to live with =_=..
>>5156883We invented the concepts that conservationism relies upon to justify itself. Want to know how far apart we are from the world?In japan, bestiality is not illegal but generic animal cruelty is, because they believe that if the animal is not hurt, there is no reason to jail a human being. Their cruelty laws themselves are extremely weak. In china there are no animal protection laws at all. White westerners are basically the only people who act like animals have innate moral value. We call the cops for animal issues other races deal with internally or not at all. Veganism was even invented by white britons. Animal rights is white culture. We force it on other countries. See: south korea losing their precious dog meat. >>5156182Yangtze river status?
>>5157207Animal cruelty laws are weak everywhere, nobody truly values animals.
