This is cladogram piece is apparently from the gameplay demo for Planet Zoo 2 held yesterday, how did they fuck it up this badly?
>>5160438prolly AI slop
>>5160438Molluscs are fucked up too
>Mulam Venbasho>Pic of a Tree Kangaroo on corner>Elephants are the closest relatives of humans>Cats are more closely related to Marsupials than they are seals>The horse is a unicornAI or human retardation?I can find an accurate mammal cladogram in less than a minute by just searching online for one, so I don't understand how either AI or humans can be so wildly wrong.
>>5160950Planet Zoo NPCs speak a made up nonsense language like simlish. And those are the horse's ears, genius.
>>5160950wait, are perissodactyls actually more closely related to carnivorans than they are to artiodactyls? are ungulates actually polyphyletic? why did no one tell me?
>>5160446>>5160950I honestly think it's human retardation (the sign, not the Simlish lite). The last time Frontier tried to introduce something AI, generating the human scientist portraits in JW Evolution 3, people did NOT like it and Frontier changed it before release in response. I think they get, at minimum, that people don't respond well to that.
>>5160438Other than monotremes being the outgroup to other mammals not a single relationship in this chart is correct, impressively bad.
>>5160976Fuck you just reminded me of this indie game i bought quite long ago that, years after release and my purchase, swapped the animated human-made portraits for STABLEDIFFUSION SLOP and never switched it back and Steam refused to refund me no matter how much i bitchedNever trust three Filipino guys with your video gaming experience
These are tiny decorative items you will never focus on in normal gameplay. They're just supposed to look 'science-y,' not be informative.
>>5161006Why make them wrong in the first place?
>>5161038
>>5160967there's no strict consensus. Certain phylogenies place cetartiodactyla as sister to Ferae, other recover ungulates as monophyletic
>>5160982Kek what’s the name
>>5160438Less than one month left.Fuck gta and zelda, this is my goty
>>5161834The game still needs dinosaurs and the odd cryptid to be perfect
>>5161889I agree. Realism is fine and all, but when I was a kid playing Zoo Tycoon 1 the 'mystery' elements had an appeal all their own. When you unlocked Bigfoot or Unicorns, it felt like you hacked the game.
>>5161834I'm excited for the game but if you've been following the reveals the roster is pretty worrying so far. North America, South America, and Australia have had barely any animals shown and if they try to lock an animal as staple as kangaroos behind DLC again then I'm out.
>>5161889>>5161929that's not realistic though
>>5161834 Normies want GTA, autists know the true GOATs coming out this fall are planet zoo 2 and transport fever 3.
>>5162014I don’t understand this complaint. Over 100 animals with detailed 3D models and behavior is no small feat and of course the concentration is going to be on Asia and Africa since that is where all the famous animals live.
>>5161889Get Prehistoric Kingdom. It’s like Jurassic Park but realistic instead of Sci Fi. It leaves early access at the beginning of next year.
>>5162039>Over 100 animals with detailed 3D models and behavior is no small feat I'm not expecting every animal on earth or even everything back from the first game, that doesn't mean there should be blatant holes in the roster where entire continents get barely any representation.>of course the concentration is going to be on Asia and Africa since that is where all the famous animals live.Irrelevant. I'm not saying other continents should have equal representation to Africa and Asia, but they should at least have the bare fucking minimum. And animals like kangaroos or capybaras are just as much of a zoo staple as lions or giraffes, there's no reason they should get left out again.
>he didnt know that griffon vultures and unicorns are closely relatedlmao sucks to suck
>>5162040>. It leaves early access at the beginning of next yearIs this confirmed? There's supposed to be 2 big updates left so I would expect the full release to be more like next summer.
>>5162037Based
>>5162040Well yeah but the sick thing about Zoo Tycoon is that it was all in one game
Fuck dinosaurs but I would honestly love to see extinct animals from the past hundred years or so in the game. Thylacines, quaggas, passenger pigeons, Caribbean monk seals, etc. All those animals literally were in zoos historically, if we lived in a better timeline they'd still be in zoos now. It'd be cool to get to right those past mistakes in the game.
>>5162417If i remember correctly this was an idea for Prehistoric Kingdom but i don't know if they are still doing it
>>5162419Sure, but the thing is unlike the dinosaurs or mammoths this is something that would actually fit better in Planet Zoo than in Prehistoric Kingdom. Like there's no reason a quagga shouldn't just be a normal zoo animal for your savannah exhibits if we weren't in the bad timeline. It doesn't belong with the dinosaurs.
>>5162420What do you think of Steller's sea cow in this context?
>>5162421Was never kept in zoos as far as I'm aware so I'm personally not interested.
>>5162419yes they are still doing it, first dlc after releaseshould have moa, quagga + tarpan (ice age horse), dodo, aurochs, great auk and thylacine with carolina parakeet and passenger pigeons as vivariumsi think it's a perfect selection, tho i'd have loved to see a giant lemur too
>>5162466I wish they would add modern animals that were alive back then. My ice age exhibits always feel incomplete because of the lack of saigas and such
>>5162040I do have Prehistoric Kingdom. I'm planning on playing it when they exit EA
>>5162544The game is more than playable currently, the only things it's missing are animal breakouts (coming next update) and the campaign mode (coming with full release).
>>5160967Boomer detected!
>>5162584NTA but honestly the only thing really holding me back from going fully to PK is the fact that JWE has aviary and lagoon species. If PK ever adds those post-EA then maybe.
>>5162584Nipple hands
>>5162626PK does have some small flying and semi-aquatic animals as vivarium species. Maybe you don't like that they're stuck in a box but personally I find them way less limiting than the lagoons and aviaries are, at least you can turn the box invisible and make it look like they're in a real habitat if you want to. That's what I did with the Mononykus screenshot there and I think it works great.
>>5162626yes you'll have to wait for years surely, probably as full-fledged expansions just as zt2 used to dojwe's aviary/marine species however kinda suck because they have even less interactivity than zt2 animals did
>>5162669It also requires that the game sells well enough to get continued development, according to the devs themselves. And given their statement I imagine that means current EA sales haven't been enough to meet that but I honestly can't imagine this game getting a significant boost at full release so I'm unfortunately not very optimistic on it, surely most of the people who are interested already got the game during EA?
>>5162786yeah honestly the devs haven't made very wise economical decisions. it stands as a very nice deal right now, at 20$ during sales is a steal for this kind of game. but it's a costly genre and it's been proven already that while it serves us players well the devs don't gain much. there's a reason they have a goddamn patreon open.even worse is that there'll be a price hike on release, surely between the 40-50$ range, which will definitely upset the chunk of people that was waiting for full release all this time. they should have done it earlier already so at least this effect could have been mitigated, and regardless everyone wise will buy it now while it's still cheap.they may recoup the costs with expansions but with 10$ pricing (not complaining myself lol) and the cost of making the new animals and assets it's not gonna be much i think. a shame it comes down like this, because i really think it's the best zoo game in general and a nice blend of new and old game mechanics
>>5162833Was Nigel really worth it?
>>5162669The lagoon species I agree but they're kinda all fucked in that regard. The aviary species can at least break out and kill guests so they're slightly more interactive.
New JWE3 DLC
>>5162958It fucking sucks, three useless glup shitto dinosaurs and two dinosaurs being resold from DLC in the last game. The only good thing about it is the new scenery set.
>>5162959Yangchuanosaurus is fairly popular and Nanshiungosuarus is nice as an accurate alternative to Therezinosaurus.
>>5162961I assume anything with a chinese name is just fake and made-up
>>5162961This game really didn't need a second therizinosaur, especially not one only known from vertebrae and pelvic bones, and Yangchuanosaurus was fairly generic and there's like seven other theropods in the game that already fill a similar niche. I don't give a fuck about what's popular with Redditors and their hecking nostalgic childhoods, it should add something besides having a D-list name. I've been following this series since it first came out back in 2018 and I've gotten so fucking tired of this repetitive shit. This game makes new dinosaurs feel so boring with how samey they feel at this point but I'm supposed to eat this accurate sloperino up just because they made one of them fluffy so manchildren can squeal at the babies. It sucks the most because Asia has a rich fossil record with a lot of unique species but they couldn't even pick three dinosaurs that would add anything. Deinosuchus and the extra Triassic species in the last DLC were more of a step in the right direction, one was a completely new rig while the game was lacking in Triassic animals. It sucks as well that it's been established at this point they'll keep reselling dinosaurs from the last game and they get locked behind shitty packs like this one.
>>5163029>This game really didn't need a second therizinosaurSpeak for yourself, I wanted at least one more on account that Therizinosaurus itself hates almost everything and almost everything hates Therizinosaurus. Though I would've picked Beipiaosaurus or Nothronychus personally
>>5163029>This game really didn't need a second therizinosaur, especially not one only known from vertebrae and pelvic bones,Yes it does because the Jurassic World Therizinosaurus is hideous, and the point is that it's not really "Nanshiungosaurus" so much as it's just a generic accurate Therizinosaur to give you an alternative to the garbage World design. Personally I'd prefer if they had gone with Segnosaurus for the name but what it's called ultimately doesn't matter.
>>5163071This is what I mean, you redditor autists just want this game to be a generic paleoart simulator even though it's literally a Jurassic World game so Frontier gets all this leeway to make clones of dinosaurs and get praise for it just because it's hecking accurate.
>>5163083>generic paleoart simulator even though it's literally a Jurassic World game Jurassic World designs are hideous and making new better designs to replace them is a good thing.>Frontier gets all this leeway to make clones of dinosaursBut it's not a clone, they're based on similar animals but the designs are completely different, as you can tell by the JW Therizinosaurus being a hideous slop monster made for dysgenics such as yourself and the Frontier Nanshiungosaurus actually looking like a plausibly real animal.
>>5163097NTA but I can slightly excuse Theri because it had the best scene in Dominion (not that it's a high bar)
>>5162959>tfw no Shantungosaurus
They should add the retarded robots from the cartoon as secret unlockables like the unicorn in Zoo Tycoon
>>5163184No. Keep that garbage away from my comfy tycoon game.I'd much rather have dinosaur cryptids like the Mokele-mbembe.
>>5162959The whole series kind of sucks. There's no management involved in the game, Just slap down toilets and stores in regular intervals and even with 2 of the faggiest dinosaurs you end up printing infinite money, and everything else is just waiting for cooldown times because even though you're three games deep, two of which set in a timeline where dinosaurs are free roaming, you STILL need to send expeditions to get dino-dna? You still need fucking scientists to research wider paths? Also I hate how dinosaurs who want to break out are going to break out, no matter how many layers and failsafes you've put in place.
>>5163186I think they would be funny as intentionally out of place unlockables like the car in Age of Empires
>>5163205See these kinds of easter eggs made sense in a 2D game from 30 years ago where the art assets for them took like, an afternoon to make. Not so much for a high-fidelity 3D game in 2026.
>>5163243That is true. That's something i do not like about graphics improving over the years
>>5163243Yeah that would take the indian subcontractors a month to produce with their AI asset generation
>>5163174You know damn well they would have it be a defenseless pile of meat like every other hadrosaur in the game
>>5163274I don't tend to do death battle arenas so that wouldn't really matter to me. But hadrosaurs being unable to fight is indeed retarded
>>5163289Really the problem i could have with them adding a Shantungosaurus is them making it not big enough. If they give it its accurate size then it would look small compared to the oversized movie theropods
Yangchuanosaurus
Latest reveals for PZ2. Getting a jellyfish is awesome and the new camel model looks great but otherwise nothing too interesting for me.
>>5164537The lack of "staple" animals in these reveals worries me a bit. I hope they don't make the polar bear and the kangaroo DLC again
>>5164542At this point it seems unlikely they're going to reveal anything outside of Africa/Europe/Asia before launch. Don't know why that's the marketing strategy they went with but it is what it is.However we've seen a lot of hints for various NA animals like the cougar and grizzly, and we know the toucan has an associated reserve which means there must be at least like a dozen other SA species as well, so it's probably safe to say they'll have decent representation at launch. Unfortunately there's been no hints about anything Australian at all.
In PZ1 the camel and horse together produced instant kino. I'm glad they're in PZ2.
Nice fucking coding you retards.This big tard is afraid of Oviraptors, really?
New PK dev diary, Baryonyx skin looks fantastic and staff vehicles confirmed.
>>5164829This has to be the best Baryonyx design of all time
>>5164767I don't think that's a coding problem but a design decission
>>5164882Oviraptor isn't in the dislikes tab though, what the hell.
>>5164829Great Baryonyx model but i'm not too fond of the coloring and patterns. i prefer the crocodile-styled one.Vehicles are cool and i'm glad they've brought it back for EA, will probably be drivable too in first person. Hopefully we get a ranger mode of sorts too.Shame tho they didn't elaborate on the breakouts, human deaths and security stuff once again, and that they didn't reveal Deinosuchus yet
>>5165042Looking at your screenshot again, maybe it's because it's a baby?
>>5164829Prehistoric Kingdom: Give me a Carnotaurus of this level of quality and my life is yours!
>>5165045I just hope they use it as a basis for tour vehicles or other kinds of guest transport later. PK is nice for building smaller scale kinds of parks but it's really hard to fit the big stuff into a realistic layout without any kind of transport.
>>5165087Sure, juveniles have a different like/dislike cohabitation list than adults. BUT OVIRAPTOR IS NOT IN THE DISLIKES FOR THE JUVENILE.
>>5165313The "panicking" behavior also occurs when jeeps are nearby and so forth. It's just a general "gtfo" behavior.
>>5164542They just officially confirmed that these are going to be the last 12 animals in the launch day roster. Which means yeah, no polar bear or kangaroo or pretty much anything from NA, SA, or Australia at all. What a joke.
>>5165384Unless the silhouette in the 2nd row, centre is a peacock there's also no fucking peacock in the game, which is a new low even for Frontier.
>>5165384Yo they are adding the Distortus rex?
>>5165390
>>5165390>>5165391I think it's a frog, probably the red eyed tree frog which was in the first game.
>>5164829>BaryonyxMy beloved.Once that's in the game and I know HOW THE FUCK I am supposed to stock the souvenir kiosks I might hope back in.
>>5165411You need to build a storage building and a shipping depot.
>>5165384>>5165387I know i'm absolutely coping but it looks like an orca fin to me
>>5165421I am very stupid. It was very generous of you to help me - thanks.
>>5165384The game has tons of new features and they had to divide development between aviaries and aquariums now too since people couldn't stop whining about them. Obviously they're going to have the main popular zoo animals primarily and there are ~130 animals to start with. They aren't going to have stupid meme animals nobody but some sperg on 4chan cares about in the launch package.
>no polar bear or kangaroo or pretty much anything from NA,>White-Tailed Sea Eagle, Grey Wolf, Gila Monster, American Bullfrog, Diamondback Terrapin, Long-Eared Owl, Western Diamondback Rattlesnake, MonarchSee you don't even know what you're talking about kid. You get an iconic habitat animal, two aviary birds, and enough herps and inverts to make a decent reptile house. You could even use the eurasian beaver since its the same fuckin thing. What do you want from a base game that has to represent EVERY continent or people will lose their minds? So sick of the pissing and moaning. There are Australian and South American animals too obviously.
>>5165512>They aren't going to have stupid meme animals nobody but some sperg on 4chan cares about in the launch package.No that's the whole problem, they do have a bunch of stupid meme animals nobody asked for like the bittern instead of a fucking macaw or condor or pelican or duck or even the swan from the first game, birds that you would actually see in a zoo.>>5165515>white-tailed eagle>NAtry again retard
>>5165515>Grey WolfWhat the fuck they haven't confirmed wolves yet?I hope they are planning on adding a bunch of animals post-launch for free like in JWE3
>>5165558Wait i'm a retard i read that wrong.Still my second point stands. I hope they do that
>>5165387>>5165472Nope it was a ray lol. No peacocks (the number 1 most common zoo animal) in the zoo game.https://youtu.be/KCODEVRnAdA
>>5165570Glup Shitto fish
>>5165570The peacuck was easily the most detested animal in pz1 literally nobody liked them or ever used them
>>5165589People didn't use the peacocks because they were noisy, bred like rabbits, and produced way too much shit for keepers to reasonably manage. They could just fix that.
>>5165556Legally speaking, Greenland IS on the North America continent plate and not the European continental plate. I do agree that this is a very stupid argument to make though.
Only 7 more days to go.I have not been this hype for bing bing wahoo since I read an article about the new C&C Generals game when I was a kid.First habitat animal you guys will use?For me it will be the zebra.
>florida manatee>but no fish to go with itwhat's even the point?
>>5166527Maybe you can pass off the rudd as a golden shiner but otherwise none of the 30 something fish in the game even work as a reasonable substitute for anything NA. Hoping one of the last reveals is a channel catfish or something.
I'm going to rant about JWE3 because this is my personal blog.>Put any 2 carnivores that supposedly go well together.>They keep attacking each other's young even though they have tolerant and all their needs are met.>Even if the parent goes「 PROTECTING YOUNG 」, it DOESN'T work as intended, and the offspring might get fucked anyway.It's really stupid. I mean I put Carnotaurus and Albertosaurus and they keep killing each other's young (Carnotaurus more often than Albertosaurus, must be the south american blood).Another one is fucking Postosuchus and Coelophysis. I just wanted to make a fucking Triassic enclosure but Postosuchus keeps hunting them even though they're supposedly tolerated. Fucking ass.
>>5166806Cohabitation is always wrong and modern zoos only do it to get money
>>5166806It's worse with the large carnivore/small carnivore setup.A half meter tall adult small carnivore is fine for a T-Rex. But a baby small carnivore that wouldn't even be a snack to a T-Rex is now their top priority to hunt and kill.
>>5166806Cohabitation being more difficult for species that you're breeding is an actually good and realistic feature that adds more depth to the management. Rare win for JWE.
>>5166806I find it both funny and infuriating that after saying Nanshiungosaurus can cohabit with other dinos unlike it's roid rage cousin, they changed the other dinos to just dislike "Therizinosauridae" in general. Meaning even the dinos that Nanshiung is supposed to be able to live with hate it
>>5160438AHHH RELEASE IT TODAY YOU FUCKS
>>5166840Why can't we be friends?>>5166889Postosuchus hunts and kills Coelophysis which it supposedly tolerates.>>5166909It's absolutely random which dinosaurs can live with it. Brachiosaurus can for example live with it, but a lot of other Sauropods can't.>>5166850I gotta get my teeth into that baby Compsognathus I can't even see, you don't understand.
Manul when
>>5167642The first year of DLC will almost certainly be dedicated to filling out NA/SA/Oceania since they got fuck all at launch so I wouldn't expect it or anything else from Africa/Asia/Europe until 2028 at least.
>>5167642Should have been base game, along with the Scottish wild cat and Cheetah. 7/10 not enough cats.
>>5166806JWE3 has bullshit like that like how trex like their young but hate them when they become adults despiste being a Lot of shit about being a gregarious animal
When does it come out? Can't wait to read the meltdowns about the thousands of game breaking bugs at launch, and the within-a-week post-launch $30 DLC that adds 4 animals, three of which were already in PZ1. You slopsuckers never learn.
>>5167835
>they didn't fix it
>>5168059Has "they will fix it on release" ever happened with any video game?
>>5168059It isn't wrong to begin with
>>5167888Thank you anon, the coping and sneeding on plebbit is delicious.>four gpus fried already
>can't toggle the grid off>can't scale grid pieces at all>scaling is all axes at once, can't individually adjust height/length/width>exhibit overhaul still worse and less interactive than PK's version>gharial still doesn't animate like a gharial, tamarin is just a lazy reskin of the lemur, they gave so little a fuck that one of the fish is clearly modeled on a dead specimen with ripped fins100 million dollar company mogged by small indie studio with like a dozen employees
>>5168181aistoric shilldom is not indie they have a publisher
>>5168192While frontier is self published, making then the indy.
>>5168248did they ever make their own blood pumpkin model or are they still using the stolen asset from planet zoo?
>>5168248You can't be indie and publicly traded.
>>5168250>frontier invented pumpkins
>>5168392its the exact same model.
>>5168406schizophrenia
>>5168065It's happened with Half Life 2 but that's a pretty extreme case all-around in that E3 HL2 was basically a completely different game.
Would it be crazy for me to say that JWE3 somehow still seems comparatively more polished when put next to PZ2?
>>5168677JEW3 is a released product, PZ2 is in early alpha.
How's Prehistoric Kingdom?Will I like it if I liked Zoo Tycoon 2?
>>5168743It's a diorama builder with the thinnest veneer of gameplay, and it always will be. If that appeals to you, and it may to some and that's fine, get it. The first "playable" build came out in 2015. They are endlessly going to spin their wheels updating Unreal and adding pointless shit nobody will ever notice and new models and and and. But at least it's pretty.
>>5168743keked
>>5168767Gonna be honest ZT2 really wasn't not some deep management sim either, RCT2 is the game for that. It's not difficult to stay green in ZT2 even in the scenario maps, it mostly just takes a long ass time to progress because it was designed for 9 year olds who are easily occupied staring at low poly tigers for 5 hours.
>>5168767Comon bro, their updates on hunting, fighting and breeding is a million times better than any other game of similar scope. Just look at pz2 embarrassing wild reserves with an true ecosystem you can create in PK. The developers deserve praise, I just wish they would allow dinos to acctually make big mest with multiple offspring, like sauropd having 30+ eggs on one nest.
Two Point Museum is the better zoo game.
>>5168786RCT is not a deep management game either lol.
