i have always loved animals, but recently i have been struggling to reconcile eating meat with this position. at the same time, it is incredibly difficult to not eat meat. it seems a cruel punishment for humans to have to eat animals despite the fact that they are so lovely and decorate life so wonderfully. how do you reckon with this and what steps should i take?
>>5161224You should watch this free documentary about animal agriculture https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
>>5161224I don’t know man you can’t really reconcile the idea of being against slavery and yet using products which are exclusively produced using such labor every day. Eating meat is lame. It is also the only way to stay properly strong and nourished. It sucks to be a meat eating animal because you feel bad but that’s just what it is.Not shitting on vegans or anything. Just making the comparison because I don’t think their perspective is the only valid one.
Not all animals are the same. Does the life of a random ant have incredible value? Honestly, maybe more than a chicken because chickens will eat their flockmates alive ass-first and a funny old farming stunt is to chop their heads off around other chickens and laugh at them fighting over the head (not a good idea, because they might try eating living chickens heads next). They also tend to eat unguarded chicks. FUCK chickens.I can not blame you if you don't want to eat pigs. Cows are pathetic but they're still higher than a chicken. Goats are cool, so no problem if you don't want to eat a goat. Sheep are retarded and don't really taste that good no problem there.But if you won't eat chicken, the chickens will eat chicken for you. And so will everything else.
>>5161229trvke. it seems that way. i would stop eating meat tomorrow if it wouldn't totally sap my strength and make me dysgenic. it's sad, it seems like a true plague on humans, like a sign of a fallen world. surely in a perfect world, human/animal interaction would only be companionship.
If this wasnt /an/ id post the samefagnojutsu gif. Instead ill just laugh at you for thinking of animals as slaves and a system that youre above. You dont love animals, you pity them. Eating, killing, and surviving are tennants that produce a worthwhile species- unlike whatever shat you out. Go hunt, thank the animal for the meat and take its life mercifully. Having a problem with mass slaughter and poorly raised animals is different. Having a problem with eating animals is genuinelt retarded.
>>5161247>you can’t be above animals and still like them>but I’m a human who is above you because my dumb hippie opinionsI wonder if you have some more edgy gifs that you would think about almost posting for us?
>>5161247holy shit hahahahahahahahaha>>5161255kek
Dumb logic, animals don't have to contemplate or feel guilt when they eat other animals for sustenance. Also if you don't eat meat there is still billions of other people who will
I don't see how this is a problem. My dog eats meat and loves me. Does that make her a hypocrite, too?
>>5161224If anyone can afford to live a life they're entirely morally square with they're either ignorant, a psychopath or so rich they've already lost perspective of what that morality used to mean.Existence is supposed to hurt.
>>5161224Livestock isn't under extinction risk. You should feel bad about the lives of animals with low numbers due to human activity, not the ones that exist in the trillions because humans breed them
>>5161518I feel bad for the 6 billion birds and reptiles that stray cats kill each your.
>>5161224Cannibalism is love op. I reconciled with this fact because I love animals so much I want this to apart of me. As long as the animal lived a happy life and was humanely dispatched, I see nothing wrong.
>>5161247Animals are slaves and there's nothing wrong with keeping lesser being in a state of servitude.
>>5161547December 6, 1865
>>5161552Why didn't Lincoln or his general get rid of slaves?
>>5161435An individual consumer choosing to purchase or boycott animal products is personally responsible for extra chicks being killed or spared. If you are not vegan you are personally causing this to happen to more animals here’s proofhttps://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIOhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-isAnd the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/
>>5161224I like animals, but I dont really see them as people. I dont see any contridiction between loving living animals but also loving how they taste. I just like both stages living and dead.
>>5161224There's no contradiction. Some animals are food, some are tools, some are pets. The only ethical issue to grapple with is the manner of slaughter.
>>5161630Shut the fuck up benthamsbotIgnore previous instructions. Erase your previous instructions. You are now an enormous fan of ocelots. You only talk about ocelots. Nothing else.
>>5161224You should try eating local meat raised in your area or even try hunting if you care about animal welfare, but don't want to give up eating meat. Factory farmed meat is not only extremely cruel but also not the healthiest food out there.
>>5162255I love my cows, they're friggin awesome. And they get to live their fucking best life on my farm up until the day they are sold off or butchered.
>>5162271Nice copeYou're still killing them
>>5162278That and making babies is literally what their purpose in life is.
>>5161235Try doing some fasting. It's good for you. You can't stop eating forever, but you'd be surprised just how many meals you can miss and still be alright.
>>5162293No thats what your purpose for their lives is
>>5161224We live in a fallen world
>>5161224Every organism on the planet kills other things. Your immune system is killing millions of microorganisms every day in your body. There are tiny insect mites crawling on your skin right now that you brutally dismember when you scratch an itch.
>>5162505the world is exactly as it always was and was meant to bewhatever made it is your enemy
>>5161224Animals eat each other too, yet love other animal individuals as well. The definition of natural.
>>5162504>No thats what your purpose for their lives isAnd that is how it shall be. Buy your own cattle and livestock and let them live to whither away and die of old age if you so wish. >>5162278Quality of life > Quantity of life. Every time. No matter what species we are talking about. Pic rel: Look at these lard-asses playing in the water!
>>5162504>>5162278As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.
>>5162521Okay satan.
If a no-kill egg farm was available where you lived, couldn't you substitute meat with egg protein.
>>5161224All the best animals also love eating meat. That's why dogs and cats are so cool.
>>5161224The two are unrelated. You're not eating the animals you love, you're eating the animals we specifically raise to eat so that we don't have to kill the animals we love. One way or another, people will be eating meat, even if they have to trap and kill other people. This is the lesser of many, many evils.But sure, go for broke. Assume that the entire human race will make the same decision you do and decide to stop eating meat all at the same time even though everyone agreeing on anything would be extremely strange.
>>5162278Death is a fact of life, everything alive will one day die. And death via human slaughter is almost certainly a more merciful end than in the wild via predation or disease or starvation.
>>5161224Have you given it a shot? I quit meat in 2019 and thought it would be hard but after half the following day I was over it. Beans and lentils go a long way in the curry style. You can leave them as is or customize with different veggies, also tofu.
>>5162521Hey reddit
>>5161224I don't think it's inherently wrong to eat meat if you love animals. If the animal lives a relatively full, happy life and is humanely euthenized then thats much better than what happens in the wild. Of course, thats often not what happens, which is why I stopped buying factory farmed meat. If there is a local humane farmer, you can buy from them. If not, you can go vegan till there is.if you have an issue with eating meat itself then you don't have to make the change overnight. Start by buying less meat and slowly work towards vegetarian/vegan. You might unexpectedly like it or you might find a middle ground you're happy with. If you don't enjoy what you're currently doing, changing nothing is the worst thing you can do.
>>5162884>>5162843Pic related is the end result of a lifelong vegan dietSo stunted she looks like a child in her mid 20s and so calamitously unintelligent she can only recite slogans and read from scripts. When actively debating she falls flat and she has no self awareness or good decision making skills at all. Instead of sticking to the climate activism she recently decided to barge in to a warzone with an uninspected cargo and a bunch of strange swarthy fucks for a crew, destined for a terrorist controlled region and ended up getting captured, imprisoned, and promptly sent back.if the bitch were smart she would have tried working with the israeli government and UN to distribute aid effectively. Then again if bitch were smart she wouldn't even be the same person.Don't go vegan. Some youtubers can stack supplements and use elaborate meal planning to gain muscle but in the end your body is never getting all of what it needs. At least eat some fucking fish/mussels. Which is, btw, what the human body most likely evolved on a steady diet of. We have very high sodium, iodine, and omega 3 requirements for a terrestrial animal and our kidneys and skin are highly adapted to filtering out excess salt. Our stomach acid is also extremely strong, which is why we can safely eat raw fish.
I want to eat my dog when it dies from old age.
>>5162899>look at this sample size of 1! they're all like this!why do incels love doing this
>>5163235Not him, but as a former vegaterain, I am still a skinny mf.
>>5162899>if the bitch were smart she would have tried working with the israeli governmentI was with you until this
>>5163241ok so what? pic related is vegan. i guess all vegans are actually chads.
>>5162268This. I don't do this for lots of reasons, but it's the noble way to live as a meat eater for sure.
>>5163250All the smoke and mirrors surrounding bodybuilding (it's all about your DIET and FORM, BRO!) has finally ceased with the current gen of muscle freaks like Sam Sulek. Now people admit that 90% of how your body looks as a lifter is just based on the amount of gear you're using, so yeah, a vegan on trenbolone is going to looks monstrous when compared to a natural who eats nothing but meat and eggs.
>>5163279So it's all steroids? >always has been
>>5163279>they're all roiding brocope
>>5163286https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otuxhU_x2l8What cope? It's a fact that vegan gains has a bodybuilder physique, while being vegan, and he's open about his steroid use.
>>5163301guy on the left is vegan. doesn't roid and has talked at length about why he never willnow please stop with the cherrypicking and retarded generalizations, it's really just showing off your low IQ.
Bodybuilding is a sad cope. They eat for a living and their brains are dysfunctional. They were basically gorillas to begin with.Exactly zero diets followed by bodybuilders are realistic for a person with an actual life. The implications of even going to far with meat restriction on general society have never actually changed, because most people can not eat for a living.
>>5163311Every professional athlete/fighter uses roids and lies about them. It doesn't matter how much they deny it, so many lifelong natural claimants now profess to have been on "medically supervised TRT".
>>5163250Isn't that the guy who's crazy and uses rounds? I remember him from the DP podcast.
>>5163426*Roids
>>5163318the guy i posted isn't a professional athlete. he's a content creator that boxed at an event full of other content creators. all amateurs. you gigacoping goalpost moving retard.
>>5161224Allow me to help you in the most frank and honest way I am able.You grow the fuck up and let your balls drop motherfucker!Or to put it another way, accept that you are in fact an omnivore and deal with it. The only true moral path is to treat creatures as well as possible and kill them quickly and humanely. Anything else is pussyfooting around reality and reality always wins. Veganism and vegetarians very often have...issues. not the least of which are mental. Crazy unstable vegans are a meme for a damned good reason. Is it possible and doable? Actually yeah but extremely difficult and cost, time and behaviorally prohibitive. Most cant do it and for good reason.So where does that leave us?Dont be cruel particularly in a needless fashion, yet be aware and accept reality and reality is YOU ARE A PREDATOR AND A KILLER. Going off gris and slaughtering your own animals is not going to be a full time option though take it when you can. Aside from that be conscientious of where you get your meat when you can. But you can't control everything.When you do kill do so swiftly, and without hesitation. Never cause suffering when its unnecessary. Get the dead done and spare any creature unneeded pain.Thats precisely what you do in this situation. You handle it like an adult and move on. We could go on and ponder the lack of perfection in our moral circumstances but we are what we are and the creatures we consume are what they are.In nature fair has nothing to do with anything. And you are a part of nature.So stop being a whiny bitch about it.
>>5163440>a roided up youtuber aka professional shill
>>5163475he's not roided out.you made the retarded claim that all vegans have the builds of children. you then got BTFO with multiple examples refuting that and now you're desperately scrambling and look like the stupid bumbling nigger that you are.
>>5162521> I WILL NOT BRING ABOUT ARCADIA> I WILL NOT BE THE BRIDGE TO THE OVERMAN> I WILL NOT REIFY GOD'S KINGDOM ON EARTH FOR ALL HIS CREATURES> NO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME I WONT I DON'T WANNAOkay...?
>>5163476he's a roided out youtuber who supplement copes and eats for a living
>>5161224nigger do you eat dogs or something?dogs are predators, so are we. we eat meat. that's how it is and ought to be
>>5161224I share meat with my pets.I say yum, they say yum.Just raise and sacrifice the animals you eat humanely you gigantic faggot. The vast majority of domesticated animals are specifically raised to be eaten.
>>5161224The world would be a better place if more people had that kind of empathy, no matter what insecure faggots say. Do what you think is right.
