Activists are so Retarded.https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSgsLSfLc/
>>5171276Who actually believes in this bullshit?
>>5171276What he listed out wasn't that unreasonable, to be honest.
>>5171285>Tumblr style doomerslop comic>Peta-style textwall post>Troons and fags in the comments saying humans should kill themselves
>>5171285you not asking for a plastic straw with your impossible whopper and then e-biking back to your pod does nothing to offset the 1.6 billion indians chucking used plastic palm oil bottles into a fire to warm up their jeetmuck. if we want a cleaner planet we need to amend that first, preferrably by rending the entire subcontinent into radioactive glass.
>>5171289and that's not hyperbole by the way.
>>5171279Anyone that can do a google search40% land: https://ourworldindata.org/global-land-for-agriculture90% deforestation: https://www.fao.org/newsroom/detail/cop26-agricultural-expansion-drives-almost-90-percent-of-global-deforestation/70% water: https://www.unesco.org/reports/wwdr/en/2024/s
>>5171276Activists are frequently retardedBut legitimate shit gets continuously destroyed without any activismYou could bring some of your own intelligence to activism and make it better if you felt like it. That would be helpful since, like I said, activists are so frequently retarded. The environment has to have a right to exist and lines have to be drawn somewhere or people with money and power who -really- don’t give a fuck will eat everything alive.
>>5171276I'm genuinely curious what you think when you see something like this. Why doesn't (or does) it work to inspire action from you?
>>5171300Your Fatalistic ass won't help
>>5171302Well, that’s exactly what they’re doing.These people simply enjoy sowing despair; that’s how they live.
>>5171332Consider the following, faggot>>5171287
>>5171300Nothing says about a mass extincion, also Recovery programs are working well—just look at the blue macaws.(Cyanopsitta spixii)
>>5171355I guess my point was that it’s always imprudent to shit down on people doing the job you don’t want to do yourself.Important shit gets destroyed without activism?But activists unfortunately have a propensity for being mercurial and retarded?Well, go do the job better or shut the fuck up about it. I’d rather have dumb/annoying/frequently-incorrect activists who at least put pressure on the gov/corps not to destroy everything than to just let it happen as a way of “owning the tards”Owning the tards is never important because most people are fucking stupid but the smart people still have to live here anyway. Retards never learn lessons and as the smarter of humanity (if you are in that group), it is literally your responsibility to protect the retards as well as protecting important things from retards. Fucking fix it or shut up holy hell, ya know?
>>5171359Thanks for exposing yourself as a Peta Activist, retard.
>>5171276leftoids will say this while burning cars because you didn't give them free stuff for existing
>>5171361It’s a blue board but you’re making me want to call you the n-word
>>5171361Better than the lazy faggots in this thread who can only seem to complain
>>5171375Not calling you that 'cause I'm not a racist.
>>5171378Peta is 10× worse, anon.
>>5171363As always.
>>5171384Well that makes you a MUCH better person than me so you should feel even more justified in your weird peta accusations.
Whenever an animal goes extinct in the present age it's almost always because nothing was done until they were fucked beyond saving. The vaquita for example is probably doomed. They were at around 600 in 1997, we knew they were probably in trouble by around the early 2000s when they dropped under 200 but did nothing. Since then they dropped to around 10.
>>5171363strawman, and to what purpose
>>5171386At the very least, i don’t kill every animal I "rescue" from laboratories, farms or the streets, nor do I keep a mass grave for pets—stolen from the neighborhood—that were put to death via euthanasia.>>5171387What a depressing mindset
>>5171399I don’t give a fuck how unlike peta you are, fucktard. You can argue against peta all day but you’ll be talking around me because I’m not one.
>>5171276They had a problem they cared about and the will to do something about it. No matter how miniscule, pointless, or successful, just the fact that they tried is respectable. It's more than most people can do.
>>5171400>Didn't denied itsure dude
>>5171300>Croplands comprise one-third of agricultural land, and grazing land comprises two-thirdsSo 2/3 of agricultural land is grassland with large mammals, and it's bad why?
Basically, activists are retarded because it's nowhere near as bad as they think/nature is gonna change anyway, but very useful because their drama is the only thing that can rile up the normies enough to put some limitations on businesses and individuals, but ALSO activists are hijacked by russia/china/megcorps to screw over other megacorps & economy
>here on the animals and nature board, we hate nature! If you want to see deforestation reduced you're a dirty stinky PETA activist, get out!!! mommy help!!!you have low iq
>>5171434You're retarded.
>>5171423Not just retarded but also hypocritical.
>>5171481>here's a baseless accusation that people who support causes actually hate those causesokay
>>5171496>baseless accusationStatistically, no baseless
>>5171423>it's nowhere near as bad as they think/nature is gonna change anywayRemember that the next time you get upset or want to stop something from changing.
>>5171387Most conservation efforts fail because keeping 100 animals in a zoo setting just results in a genetic bottleneck that kills the species. It's how Cheetahs went extinct last year.
>>5171523>Cheetahs went extinct last year.They didn't.
>>5171358We live in a world that slowly loses the sense of "hope"
>>5171387Your Fatalistic ass won't help
>>5171422>Large mammals>And almost all of it consist of cows...and more cows. stop acting retarded.
>>5171574Do you even know about protected areas?
>>5171423The loss is sad. It's sad people don't have enough control over their systems to prevent other species from dying. These excuses in your post are meant to keep your heart hard and resist despairing. Companies are not doing the objectively right thing. Are activists describing the objectively right thing to do that would convince these massive companies to change? Making money off of saving the environment looks like the only win-win solution. I wonder if AI can calculate that, and if businesses would take these solutions and apply them.
>>5171590Retarded jeet babble
>>5171285Yeah and I'd be willing to go a lot farther personally if the people actually destroying the planet would cut back themselves.
>>5171590sad retard pessimism
>>5171592But cutting back isn't the only thing the post said and just the first step to change. The most important points to me were:>Supporing Conservation efforts>Advocating for policies that prioritize environmental protectionThe people actually destroying the planet will only cut back if other people make them
>>5171276They will tell you to eat less meat because your body and brain require it to develop fully, but they will not tell taylor (swift) to lay off the private jet flights.
>>5171591Yeah. Because I didn't list a concrete solution and hoped people would look into this.>>5171595Denying reality is delusion. I have my personal hopes. I am not pessimistic for myself. But for the environment, we have to be realistic about these things.
Most animals go extinct because humans think they can preserve everything with religious devotion to what they believe is untouched nature while still EXISTING.It is a contradiction. You can not exist, and not change the world.Ironically most of what we believe is "REAL NATURE" used to be managed ecosystems from prior humans that were already dying off when we found themA great example:Caribou and elk will go extinct in your lifetime. Wolves will not. This is because humans tried to preserve wolves, but forgot that you literally can't log or build roads because large deer require continuous swaths of forest to evade wolves. You can't have civilization, wolves, and large cervids. You must pick two.If you try to pick all 3 you also have to introduce nuisance/danger levels of large ursids and felids to control wolf overpopulation and make the environment legitimately hostile to human life.Or, you could just have civilization and manage a nice deer population with a few cool bears and big cats to look at.
>>5171609>Denying reality is delusionYour Hurt-ass think reality is all a constant goner.You deny your pessimism.>>5171610>
I hate you fucking Autists.If you think animals are doomed and humanity is the main and only reason of that and should kill themselves.Then why you don't start and give the example?
>>5171619Because vegans aren't the actual problem, it's bloodmouths.
>>5171620specify
>>5171621Cattle proliferation alone has caused the mass extinction of millions of species.
>>5171622>If only massive numbers of humans were forcibly malnourished and only us brahmin came near our genetic potential, more specific colors of bird could exist>the normies don't deserve strength anywaysAryan beliefs must be eradicatedYou're the cause of india
>>5171623ironically its very true veganism would have never, ever, ever existed without 1: brits copying bullshit they discovered in india 2: hitler doing the same
>>5171622>mass extinction of millions of species.This guy think reality is W40k lore, lmao.
>>5171623>and only us brahmin came near our genetic potentialBrahmins and higher castes are the strict veg "only" people in India, the Jains for example are extremely casteist while also making a big deal about not harming bacteria or disturbing microorganisms
>>5171623"God is not here"-Peter griffin
>>5171573No? It's just fact. People don't care until the thing is gone. Nobody wants to put forth any effort, until the problem impacts them personally and visibly.
>>5171632>
>>5171290Nepal isn't india, this is in nepal
>>5171632>Twitter thread
>>5171276Is human activity also not natural phenomena since humans are natural?
>>5171276Frankly I'd have just kept the last point. All the previous ones can only reliably be done once proper legislation and action is taken by the gov to protect anything and sue.I'm not clicking that shit so this is only about the image you posted.
>>5171713Is a Doomerslop Tumblr comic, you did right not clicking it.
>>5171276niggas really think it would help when the only solution would be to exterminate the 7 billion useless eaters from the third world, the only country that respects the environment (read my lips: deserves to exist) is France, and i'm not even french
>>5171422>it's bad why?Because anything humans do is LE BAD!!!!! (except for natives, they were wholesome chungus stewards of the land). We should get rid of all the cattle and let it regrow into an overgrown mess of second growth forest that is ecologically worthless but it looks good because more trees = more better.>>5171574No shit, you won't ever get an truly natural ecosystem because farmers won't let any other large mammals compete or hunt with their cattle, but you are a literal retard if you think your soibean and corn fields that completely replace everything are better. You will find plenty of wildflowers and snakes and birds in pastures that actually do better there because they require open disturbed areas.There are actual issues such as overgrazing and cows eroding and shitting in rivers but this is the best we can get as far as humans and nature coexisting.
>>5171276if she wasn't so busy fighting the zionist genocide, she would come whoop your ass.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mptNDINqYnQ&ra=m
>>5171840>the zionist genocideThe first genocide in history where the people being "genocided" keep increasing in population.
>>5171691Poo is poo, sanjay
>>5171840What you can expect from a Leftist?
>>5171797Trees are quite literally the lungs of the planet, and as oxygen levels drop across the globe it becomes more and more difficult for the average human to think, let alone actually do anything physical. The planet will shake us off like ticks off a wet dog.
>>5172030Algae/Seaweed: i am a joke to you?
>>5171276It's hard to take people seriously when they can't even use its/it's properly
>retards itt who think a "depressing" or "edgy" belief is inherently wrong because it is "depressing" or "edgy"I don't agree with the overall message in the tiktok video but you people are a bunch of fucking idiots the truth is rarely appealing and dismissing a position just because it doesn't pass the vibe check makes you an emotional child on the same level as an autist obsessed with thomas toysif you're not going to bother countering an argument then don't fucking bother
>>5172030Trees are good for carbon storage but grass is more efficient at producing oxygen, and as the other guy said it's mostly algae in the ocean doing all the heavy lifting.
>>5171797>but you are a literal retard if you think your soibean and corn fields that completely replace everything are betterI mean they literally objectively are better because they require less area for the same productivity compared to cattle so if you wanted to increase biodiversity that would leave more room for wild environments not gonna say we have to ban meat or whatever, but it's an objective truth that cattle are pretty inefficient and wasteful
>>5172039because if you simply believe everything will be alright and there's no need to worry, then there's no need to put any effort into anythingit's just pure laziness to dismiss any uncomfortable truth as doomerism
>>5172098It is natural for things like this to fall apart on their own.if you want to help, then go ahead, make it fall apart faster.
>>5172097>so if you wanted to increase biodiversity that would leave more room for wild environmentsIt won't be truly wild because still nobody would want to live with large potentially dangerous predators and farmers wouldn't want herbivores that destroy their crops. It would just be more second growth forest with nothing bigger than a squirrel.
>>5172100Good cannot say anything original, only parrot stale catchphrases
>>5172166it's pretty easy to set up fences that block predators and large herbivores from passing through them if you have continuous wild areasthe issues we have mostly exist because wildlife is stuck in increasingly fragmented sections forcing them to intrude on farmland
>>5172100You guys always go "but its natural" and then discount how these extinctions and other issues are happening many times faster or more critically than before. The other anon was right, nobody cares about a problem unless it is at their doorstep to personally trouble them.
>>5172183"Happening faster" according to what metric?The current mass extinction has been ongoing since the end of the last ice age around 10,000 years ago. If you look at things by that metric, all is normal.But if you look at things at a metric of "but these extinctions shouldn't be happening, look at the damage being done", then everything in the past 10,000 years is somehow abnormal.It all stems from a refusal to accept that humanity is in a sense a natural phenomena by itself. The human species has begun to reshape ecological biomes and niches. Species adapt to these changes, or go extinct. In another 10,000 years we'll see even more extreme change, not just from humans negatively impacting species but also spreading life to other planets. And that, from the perspective of life on Earth, will be a good thing. A huge opportunity. A huge challenge as well, Mars isn't exactly hospitable, but under human guidance the process of colonizing Mars with life is likely to go relatively smoothly.
>>5172184The common meaning of "natural" excludes what is made by humans or other sapient beings such as possible aliens or magical beings that might exist. If you just treat "natural" as meaning anything that actually exists then the word has no use. And even then, evolution isn't perfect nor does it try to be. Natural processes turn destructive all the time.As conscious beings, humans are able to control ourselves to avoid as much harm as possible yet people want to say this is not an inherent responsibility, at the same time pushing for indolence as though still merely animals who can't or don't know better. Extinction is normal, but even so it is known that humans have directly or indirectly exterminated a lot of species that would not have gone extinct otherwise.
>>5172183>>5172184>>5172197These fuckers will say this and not killing themselves to give the example of why humanity is a pest or some shit like that.
>>5172197Humans are natural. All of our behaviors are thousands of years old. You just conflate "technology like railroads" with completely natural things like "humans altering their environment to better suit their needs".The planet is covered with "artificial" natural ecosystems. The Great Plains in North America and the moors of the UK are both examples. One was created to preserve Bison hunting grounds, one was created wholesale by sheep grazing.But I'm sure that means that they were both created by robots or something.
>>5172201These people would probably call it "unnatural" for monkeys or apes to use tools—like stones—to eat fruit or open shells; do you see the irony there?
>>5172199So very fitting for a cat poster to repeat the same tired "just kill yourself so you're not bothering me with your opinion anymore" shit.
>>5172201Disingenuous. The difference lie in the scale of what humans can do now vs thousands of years ago.
>>5172221You PETA activists have been doing exactly that for years.And about that, is the Mass grave bigger now?
>>5172237Is this New York source?
>>5172181Easy doesn't mean cheapWho's going to buy all of it to enclose acres upon acres of land? Who's going to bother riding around on an ATV regularly to look for and fix holes?Easier to just kill all the wolves
>>5172166Farmers as needed as they are, tend to be massive retards about this sort of thing. It's how India caused mass deaths by nearly eliminating their vultures via medication for their cows, and how Mao destroyed countless lives by trying to get rid of sparrows.
>>5171285SPBP>>5171289>>5171592>Erm, the elites kill thousands of people, therefore it's fine if *I* kill a person every now and then!
>>5172039>an autist obsessed with thomas toysFuck you
>>5172513you're retarded
>>5171592the united kingdom has the single most retarded government out there they are a banana republic with digital bananas, all tangible industry has been outsourced and strangled with retarded regulations that make opening anything more legal than a turkish barbershop impossible
>>5172513They aren't.
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