>if judaism is considered as illegitimate and false as an ideology, can christianity have any legitimacy or truth as an ideology to it by extension as a derivative?From a strictly logical and structural perspective, if the foundational premises of Judaism are assumed to be entirely false, Christianity cannot maintain structural legitimacy as a derivative ideology.Here is how the connection is evaluated across different frameworks:The Logical & Theological FrameworkFoundational reliance: Christianity builds directly upon the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) to establish its authority.Prophetic fulfillment: Christian theology relies on Jewish prophecies to validate Jesus as the Messiah.Structural collapse: If those Jewish prophecies are false, the foundational claim of Christian fulfillment loses its logical basis.Lineage validation: Christianity requires the historical and spiritual legitimacy of the Abrahamic covenant to claim its own status as the "new covenant."The Historical-Critical FrameworkSectarian evolution: Historians view early Christianity as a 1st-century Jewish movement that evolved into a distinct religion.Independent development: Over centuries, Christianity absorbed Greek philosophy (like Platonism) and Roman institutional structures.Ideological separation: Because it adapted external ideas, some historians argue its current validity can be evaluated independently of its origins.The Philosophical FrameworkPartial truth: An ideology derived from a flawed system can still contain independent truth claims.Ethical systems: Christian ethics (e.g., the Sermon on the Mount) can be argued to possess universal moral value even if the theological history is rejected.Broken chains: Conversely, strict rationalists argue that a conclusion built on false premises is inherently invalid.
>>24443818Damn, that Starfire cosplayer's ass mogs the fuck out of her face
>>24443818Where do you stand?I assume Christianity is generally absent legitimate Truth valuation.Its just silly old myths.As consequence, rejection of Judaism, of philosemitism, in totality was quite easy for me, while it seems others struggle with it deeply.
>>24443818time wasting thread #6938453984
>>24443818I'm male and my butt looks like this. What is this type of butt called? Plump? Bubble?
>>24443819I dunno, she's pretty cute.>>24443821All threads are wastes of time Anon.Therein lies the rub.
>>24443822oestrogenated
>>24443818oh look, more anti-christian slop
It's strange how these threads always fail to mention islam.
>>24443819Septum piercings do that.>>24443821You could have just used the post number.
>>24443825>no argument>posts philosemitic slopHmm.
>>24443826Islam is also philosemitism, but I dont really care about muzzies - one of their own can work on freeing them from philosemitism, my people are all christcucks lol
>>24443822Fuckable.
>>24443825It’s even just AIslop. Rabbinic Judaism is objectively younger than Christianity, as it was formed post-temple and they didn’t write their Talmud, misnah and other garbage until centuries after Christ, as a cope about their explicit rejection of Christ
Whats most bothersome and Christians is how they seem ot morph into Jews when it comes time to talk tough.>>24443831>Rabbinic JudaismAnd before that, what was it?Real foreskin grabber hours? Lol
>>24443825Disavow the Torah
>>24443818Imagine sticking your tongue in those poopers?
>>24443819I would rape them both.
>>24443831>>24443832Pre-Rabbinical Judaism was just as fucking foul and semitic as what came after, was my point.Im really tired of this shit.>inb4 MUH ISRAELITES MUH JUDEANS MUH CHRISTIAN IDENTITY SWILLNO.The ancient Judeans/Israelites we tree e the Hyksos, who were themselves the Habiru, semitic bandits who started out as polytheistis and shifted to monotheism overtime after others came up with the idea.And they were grabbing foreskins long before the word rabbi existed, fair enough - does that make it ok?
>>24443818Holy mother of llm posts
>>24443818"if X can be refuted, then anything which follows from X can be discarded by default"Is the dumbest goyism around.
This board is essentially a looney bin these days.Hiroshimoot should just shut it down, it's not like there's much traffic anyways anymore.Just the same demented spam and low IQ schizos always posting about their obsessions.
>>24443836The Hyksos were a multi-ethnic group of West Asian immigrants and rulers (primarily of Semitic descent from the Levant region) who gained political control over Northern Egypt. They lived and ruled in Egypt roughly between c. 1650 BCE and 1550 BCE, presiding over the 15th Dynasty during a fragmented era known as the Second Intermediate Period.Key Details About the HyksosThe Name: The word "Hyksos" is a Greek translation of the Egyptian phrase heqa khasut, which translates directly to "rulers of foreign lands".The "Invasion" Myth: For centuries, ancient accounts written by the historian Manetho depicted them as a brutal, barbaric horde that conquered Egypt by force. However, modern archaeological and isotopic research reveals a gentler reality: they were likely merchants, traders, and laborers who peaceably immigrated to the Nile Delta over generations before stepping into a political power vacuum.Seat of Power: They established their capital at Avaris (modern Tell el-Dab'a) in the northeastern Nile Delta, ruling Lower and Middle Egypt while native Egyptian pharaohs maintained control over Upper Egypt to the south.Cultural Contributions: Rather than destroying Egyptian culture, the Hyksos largely assimilated into it, adopting traditional pharaoh titles and worshiping the Egyptian god Seth. They brought transformative advancements to Egypt, including horse-drawn chariots, the composite bow, advanced bronze-working techniques, and improved agricultural tools.Their Expulsion: Around 1550 BCE, native Egyptian rulers from Thebes launched a war of liberation. Pharaoh Ahmose I successfully captured Avaris and expelled the Hyksos leaders, reuniting Egypt and ushering in the prosperous era of the New Kingdom.
>>24443818>lust provoking imageI dont care if i have to pay for it, I'll have a cosplay threesome of starfire and raven before I die. Shit would be so cash.
>>24443819You're a faggot for knowing whatever the fuck star fire is
>>24443818Hey, that pic is pretty ho->the Starfire has a septum piercing...and into the trash it goes.
why the fuck does her asshole have monkey pox?
>>24443840The Habiru (also written as Hapiru or ʿApiru) were not a single ethnic group, but rather a social class of marginalized, uprooted people who lived on the fringes of society across the Ancient Near East. Mention of them spans roughly from c. 2000 BCE to 1100 BCE (the Middle and Late Bronze Ages).Key Details About the HabiruA Social Class, Not an Ethnicity: Ancient texts from Sumer, Egypt, Babylon, and the Hittite Empire show that the Habiru did not share a common race, language, or homeland. Instead, the term was a derogatory label for outlaws, refugees, rebels, mercenaries, and displaced laborers who had fled or been cast out from organized city-states.The Etymology: The exact linguistic origin is debated, but many scholars believe the West Semitic root ʿapiru translates to "dusty" or "wanderers", evoking the image of nomads traveling dirt roads. In Sumerian cuneiform, they were represented by the logogram SA.GAZ, which translates roughly to "robbers" or "trespassers".The Amarna Letters: The Habiru are most famous from the Amarna Letters (14th century BCE). These were clay tablets sent by Canaanite rulers to the Egyptian Pharaoh, frantically complaining that bands of "Habiru" were raiding their cities, conquering lands, and disrupting Egyptian imperial control.Diverse Roles: Depending on the century and location, the Habiru adapted to survive. They were hired as elite mercenary archers by local kings, worked as state-sponsored construction laborers in Egypt, or formed rogue raider bands in the hills of Canaan.
>>24443836That’s your opinion except there’s nobody practicing pre-temple or temple era “judaism” now. Judaism now only refers to rabbinic Judaism, made by the same Pharisees who Christ rejected
>>24443839Goot is circumcised. I think that's curious.
>>24443845Connection to the Biblical HebrewsThe striking phonetic similarity between Habiru and Hebrew ('Ibri in Hebrew) has sparked intense scholarly debate for over a century.The Overlap: Many historians believe the terms are linked. The earliest biblical Hebrews (like Abraham and his descendants) lived during the same era, in the same region, and shared a similar "outsider" social status as landless wanderers.The Distinction: The Habiru cannot be perfectly equated with the Israelites. The Habiru existed long before Israel became a nation and included many non-Semitic peoples. Most scholars conclude that the early Hebrews were likely just one specific group among many who were lumped into the broader "Habiru" social category.
>>24443822Post yours and I’ll post mine. I honestly feel mine beats both of those girls no contest. I blame microplastics
>>24443846>That’s your opinion No, its a fact.>except there’s nobody practicing pre-temple or temple era “judaism” now. How do you know that? How do you even know what that looked like as to distinguish it from rabbinical Judiasm, and what are the distinctions of note?>Judaism now only refers to rabbinic Judaism, made by the same Pharisees who Christ rejectedSounds like Christcuck copes, and you did not answer my question.
>>24443831>christcuck copebabblesemites have always been schizophrenic devil worshiping cancer people
>>24443841Halfway through you'll realise you hate starfire and wish you had wondergirl instead.
>>24443850The core distinction between pre-rabbinical Judaism (often called Second Temple Judaism) and rabbinical Judaism lies in where religious authority resides and how atonement is achieved. Pre-rabbinical Judaism was a centralized, localized religion focused on priests, animal sacrifices, and the physical Temple in Jerusalem. Rabbinical Judaism is a decentralized, portable religion focused on rabbis, scriptural study, and prayer within local synagogues.This historic transformation was triggered by the Roman destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, which made traditional biblical worship impossible and forced the religion to adapt to survive.
>>24443818Didn't read but this is a godlike image. Waow
>>244438531.The Method of Worship and AtonementIn the pre-rabbinical era, the absolute center of Jewish life was the Temple altar. Forgiveness for sins and national worship required priests to perform physical animal sacrifices. When the Romans burned the Temple, the sacrificial system permanently ended. Rabbinical Judaism replaced blood sacrifices with standardized liturgical prayer. The three daily prayer services recited by Jews today were explicitly designed to correspond to the times of the ancient daily Temple offerings.2. Shifting Leadership: From Priests to SagesIn the biblical era, religious leaders were aristocrats born into the priesthood. They held an exclusive monopoly on mediating between God and the people. Rabbinical Judaism democratized leadership. Because the Temple was gone, the altar was replaced by the House of Study. Leadership shifted to Rabbis—meaning "teachers" or "sages"—who were not priests, but individuals of any economic background who mastered and debated religious law.3. Sacred Texts: The Introduction of the TalmudPre-rabbinical Judaism relied almost exclusively on the written texts of the Hebrew Bible. Rabbinical Judaism introduced the foundational theological concept of the Dual Torah. This teaches that God gave Moses two revelations at Mount Sinai: a Written Law, and an Oral Law passed down through generations to interpret the text. The rabbis eventually compiled this massive oral tradition into the Mishnah and the Talmud, which dictate the details of modern Jewish law.4. Geographic Focus: Centralized vs. DecentralizedPre-rabbinical Judaism was strictly tied to the land of Israel and the physical coordinates of Jerusalem. It was difficult to fully practice the religion far from the Temple. Rabbinical Judaism created a portable framework. By transforming the home and the local synagogue into holy spaces, Jews were able to maintain their religious identity globally throughout centuries of exile and diaspora.
>>24443818Dont care, didnt read. Christ is king.
>>244438555. The Erasure of SectarianismBefore 70 CE, Judaism was politically and ideologically fractured. The Sadducees (wealthy priests who rejected the afterlife) ran the Temple; the Pharisees (scholars of the oral traditions) taught the masses; and the Essenes withdrew into the desert to await an apocalypse. The Roman war destroyed the Sadducees and Essenes. The Pharisees were the only major group to survive, and their specific ideology evolved directly into what we recognize today as mainstream Rabbinical Judaism.>>24443846Please explain to me how these meager differentiation make a meaningful impact on our discussion such that you felt the need to air your complaint.
>>24443852watching teen titans and discovering my boner felt good when I touched it were in the same period in my life. Raven and Starfire on my dick would be a deeply psychological nut. It would clear out enough cobwebs in my psyche that I would probably understand Jung and Evola better.
>>24443828>informs you that self termination is free>asks you to stop begging him for death>N...N...No argument...You have never needed us, coward.
>>24443818no
>>24443818>>if judaism is considered as illegitimate and false as an ideology, can christianity have any legitimacy or truth as an ideology to it by extension as a derivative?Yes. Christianity traces its descent from the true faith of Abraham, which was shared by the faithful among the jews over the ages. >>Historians view early Christianity as a 1st-century Jewish movement that evolved into a distinct religionThe historians in question (whoever they are) are not exactly correct here. Christianity is the fulfilment of the faith of Abraham. It is not a "new" faith, but the culmination of the true faith in the One God. Talmudism, however, is a cynical offshoot of the true faith of Abraham, which has moved away from the worship of Yahweh and to the worship of human blood. The Church is Israel, and those branches who have been cut away from Israel are as damned as any other reprobates.
>>24443851also I hate using the word "semitic". it comes from the jewish religion and for them carries a similar weight to "Aryan" which was actually the word for "Proto-Indo-European" in the 20th century until jews decided after WW2 that muh nazis and promoted "PIE" instead to bastardize our heritage.Semitic means "descendant of Sem" which is the latin rendition of "Shem" from jewish mythology.Use the correct word instead which is "Afro-Asiatic".
>>24443842You're a faggot for virtue signalling on 4chan. Kill yourself.
>>24443859Youre a massive faggot lolAnd you have no argument, no excuse, for such philosemitic faggotry.
>>24443818wow the girl really just there waiting for the soft warm log to fall on her hand.. how cute is that
>>24443861>The historians in question (whoever they are) are not exactly correct here. Christianity is the fulfilment of the faith of Abraham. It is not a "new" faith, but the culmination of the true faith in the One GodNah, thats bullshit, and after the fact cope.Talmudism, aka rabbinical Judaism, is no more or less profane than the dick cutting freakshow that came before it.
>>24443818
>>24443866>Nah, thats bullshit, and after the fact cope.No, you're just a gay faggot and/or gay demon lol. Eat shit in hell lmao.
>>24443842It is so insane to me that 12 year olds like yourself are able to larp all over 4chan and call yourself based and nobody questions it
>>24443818All Abrahamic faiths are illegitimate, false, and Jewish.
>>24443864Noose portal, noose portal, noose portal.Stop relying on daddy to kill you for you. And take him the fuck with you.
>>24443868Make an argument man.In what was was it better?Pre-Talmudism/rabbinical Judaism was still just dick cutting and animal sacrifices coupled with deranged self aggrandizement.Show me where/how I am wrong, and ill consider it.
>>24443870Correct.>>24443871Seething philosemite lol
>>24443818dont care, didnt read, looked at the butts, cummed, saged, still going to church
>>244438188/10 - would impregnate
>>24443870Nah. The Christian God is the one and only God who created all things, this world and universe. You can accept that, or let your pride overtake you. But I’m done casting pearls before swine. If you really want to know the truth, then you’ll look for it.Acts 1724 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us
>>24443873The joke is that I can think less of you for screeching about Christianity whilst thinking little of Christianity.Yes, everyone that spots the D&C troon and mocks him is a "philosemite." Right.Jews are jeets. They aren't even semitic.
>>24443870Christianity seems it is most likely to be true out of any other religion.>Historical evidence of their God actually walking the earth >His teachings are different than any other religion and actually extremely philosophically advanced for the time period>The Bible itself is extremely profound and the way it is written and organized is insane for the time period>At the core of the belief it requires nothing of the believer but faith. No money required, no tasks required. A peasant has just as much potential for salvation as a king, if not more since temporal pleasure and material goods hinder the spiritual development of a personIf any religion is true, it's Christianity.
>>24443876>saaaar, my god create the world and YOU in it saaaaaaaaar, saaaaaaaaar, brishvi kanya VIVA RISTO REYokey lul, now what do you have to say about the fact that we literally killed your gay god, LMAO?
>>24443878what is truth?
>>24443858You can do it, anon. I believe in you.
>>24443818foids getting so much self-esteem from their shitters will never not be funny
>>24443823>All threads are wastes of time Anon.>Therein lies the rub.some threads have good info, shame you're too new to know that
>>24443876>If you really want to know the truth, then you’ll look for it.Quotes some Jewish mythology book. Sigh.
>>24443880John 18:36 (Pontius asks Jesus directly "are you king of the jews?" and Jesus responds")Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
>>24443867
>>24443878>>Historical evidence of their God actually walking the earthlawl, okay>>His teachings are different than any other religion and actually extremely philosophically advanced for the time periodthe concept of the logos was stolen from the greeks and the concept of personal salvations was extremely common and popular in the mystery cults of the time and place. the entire mediterranean was full of cults promising personal salvation.>>The Bible itself is extremely profound and the way it is written and organized is insane for the time periodno its not, and your claim is a subjective statement.>>At the core of the belief it requires nothing of the believer but faith. No money required, no tasks required. A peasant has just as much potential for salvation as a king, if not more since temporal pleasure and material goods hinder the spiritual development of a personone of the many reasons christianity is trash, not to mention this is a more modern interpretation of the religion. Nobility of the soul is inheret in spirituality, you can't honestly tell me that everyone is born with a soul. Or the same amount of soul. However you want to phrase it.
>>24443884The Bible forbids believing jewish fables. It actually says they turn mankind away from the truth
>>24443885>incoherent jewbabblejust about what I expectedsorry bud, I shit on your gay jew story book. you are now made my whore as your god was 2000 years ago
>>24443888>The Bible forbids believing jewish fables.the first 40 books are all jewish fairy tales you fuckin idiot. The mental gymnastics of you faggots almost makes me respect trannies and their retarded delusions.
>>24443889>AI slop and juvenile tantrumsjust about what I expected
>>24443872>Make an argument man.The argument is that you're a homosexual turbofaggot, that was very clear from the outset.>Pre-Talmudism/rabbinical Judaism was still just dick cutting and animal sacrifices coupled with deranged self aggrandizement.Fallen people in fallen world are filled to the brim with sinful desires and sinful intentions. All human religious expression, just as all human philosophy and politics, and all human striving, has been polluted by our sinful nature. This includes the sinful natures of all worshippers of Yahweh. The Bible is VERY clear about the shortcomings and failures of even the most celebrated heroes of the faith. Moses was not even allowed to set foot in the land promised to his people because of his failures and his weakness. David, the great king and culture hero, was an adulterer and murderer, who warred with his own son, and who was castigated by prophets of God even as he ruled. Abraham, the genesis of all modern monotheistic belief, acted over and over again in ways we in the modern day would consider reprehensible. Nobody educated in their faith contests any of this. We will not be saved by works, because our every thought and every action is corrupt and wicked. Even the jews of the old testament. Even the really really (comparatively) faithful and pious ones. It is only through Christ that we are saved.
>>24443891>saaaaar, do nat you know!? juvenile is, nOT WORSHIPPING JEWS! that's it, you become mature when you kneel to a jewish corpse, deshodded women yahoodeling about jewish bullshit and so on, that's true maturity!gayjew still dead though...
>>24443890What does Titus 1:14 say?
>>24443893you're no different than the trannies and dregs of society that all seem to hate Christ in particular.Crude, immature, demonically possessed.Interesting.
>>24443818>From a strictly logical and structural perspective, if the foundational premises of Judaism are assumed to be entirely false, Christianity cannot maintain structural legitimacy as a derivative ideology.Incorrect entirely, because modern Judaism comes AFTER Christianity, not before. Judaism is wrong because it rejected the coming of Christ. Christianity asserts that jews were the Chosen People and the Chosen People then followed Christ. Modern jews are the ones who did not, falling out of favor of the Lord.
>>24443890>the first forty are all...What's next, bagels really are jewish?Pattern recognition is "anti-semitic"
>>24443886
>>24443896This is true.The word Judaism isn't even in the Bible.Judaism comes from the Pharisees that Jesus declared to be children of Satan.
>>24443894quote Mathew 5:17 for me
>>24443900Don't pilpul.What does Titus 1:14 say?
>>24443895>W-WHAAAAT!!!?? THIS FUCKING RACIST PIECE OF SHIT DOESN'T WORSHIP MY JEWGOD!!!?? HE'S LITERALLY DEMONICALLY POSSESSEDyou're on the same intelligence level as trannies and libshits that don't particularly hate jewsus fagsus but christians in general, because every great deed, every great act of valor (conquests, colonialism, every subshuman shitskin group we wiped off the face of the earth) was done IN SPITE of christianityAND TO THE CRUX OF THE SITUATIONI'm still not worshipping a gay jewish man from 2000 years ago :)
>>24443901answer mine and Ill answer yours, I promise.if the bible is inerrant, there shouldnt be a contradiction . Besides, everyone but fundementalists agree that titus was pseudepigraphal anyway.
>>24443903The verse you mentioned is when Jesus says he has come to fulfill the law the prophets.This actually helps nullify your argument because Jesus is saying the jews who quote the prophets are wrong and that the prophets were basically proto-Christians. Jesus even says that Abraham personally knew him and glorified his arrival on earth.One of the most important moments in the New Testament is when the Pharisees, the creators of Judaism, claimed to be the chosen people in front of Jesus due to their relation to Abraham.Jesus corrects them by saying you may be the physical descendants of Abraham, but not the spiritual descendants, and that's what actually matters. Because you are not the spiritual descendants, that makes you the children of Satan, not Abraham, because Abraham loved me.
>>24443904no, no.>Do not think I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.>Law OR the prophets.he is refering to the law as well, meaning the basis of jewish religion and cultureHe even goes on to be specific and clear in the very next verse>Not the smallest letter or stroke of the pen shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished.Nowhere preceding or following this in the sermon does he make a distinction between the Law and the Prophets. You are pulling that out of your ass. I was raised in this shit, I know my scripture. Also because I keep my wordTitus 1:14>Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
>>24443827>You could have just used the post number.This Anon gets it. While /pol/ is a huge waste of time, it still has made a huge impact on the world Zeitgeist and that's a good thing. Here's why. Without /pol/ there would be no modern discussion of the JQ. That is all.
>>24443818Cucktianity is just Judaism but polished with some Platonic rationality.Everyone should just ditch the Jewish baggage and thus Christianity and instead universally embrace Neoplatonism.
>>24443818>a derivative ideologyChristianity isn't a derivative ideology of judaism, judaism was created in Babylon. Not a christian, btw.
>>24443905>until all is accomplished.Yes, and on the cross Jesus said "it is finished."
>>24443825The greatest counter-argument to your pic you posted is to just visit any church in Canada or America and probably in any other country too. Nothing but feeble boomers, nigger-lovers, anti-fascists, homosexuals, addicts, and of course non-white trash. Cucktianity as it exists today is a big money scheme to transfer endless wealth, food, resources, to niggers.
>>24443905And I shall translate your chosen passage for the brain damaged among us."Watch out for scammers."
>>24443909so hes not coming back? That wasnt an integral part of the plan from the beginning? Or do we need to wait 2 more millennia?
>>24443910>nobody wants to attend the subverted institutions, so that means...That no one fucking likes your ilk, faggot.
>>24443820They grew up programmed to equate their religion with all forms of meaning-making. Right and wrong, what happens after death, etc. To disavow something that built into your psyche from birth genuinely is sort of like a "rebirth." It's hard to do without a new anchor to cling to (some other belief system, or even just turning your rejection of Christianity into a wounded obsession). This is why reddit atheists obsess over hating Christianity, rather than just leaving it behind. They ARE still cultural Christians in a sense, just inverted. Christianity is like a cancer. It kills the host.>>24443824Because almost no "right wing nationalists" in the west are Muslim, dummy. Lots are Christian, even though Christianity is an alien sand religion.
>>24443818Christianity is not dependent on Talmudic Pharisees. It's the opposite. The star of David was a Christian icon signifying Christ's connection to the king. It wasn't until a few centuries ago that the Jew started using it. The Talmudic Pharisee also continues to cling to Christianity insisting Christ was a Jew in hopes that you won't know the difference between an ancient Israelite and a Talmudic Pharisee. The state of Israel is dependent on Christian Zionism to prop it up to the goyim. It isn't Christians that need Jews, it's quite the other way around, so of course there's a narrative to pretend that the oral tradition that was apostasy to most of the Jews in the time of Jesus is well actually the one true faith. You are like a woman, who, after being the most unfaithful wife claims her husband's assets saying she made him the man he is when it was really in spite of her.
>>24443818While I enjoy watching cute girls doing cute things together those two look too young to be doing cute things
>>24443914>This is why reddit atheists obsess over hating Christianity, rather than just leaving it behind. They ARE still cultural Christians in a sense, just inverted.well said
>>24443914second quote meant for>>24443826
>>24443821gawd brought you here for a reason anon!
>>24443916Oi, retard, that isn't "cute things." Stop kludging your language into abomination.Better yet, check your mask. It's slipping.
COSPLAYER GF NOW!!!
>>24443916faggot, free your mind from yourself
>>24443914>Christianity is like a cancer. It kills the host.Ephesians 2:1-7 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
>>24443920Then what the fuck is “cute things”? I thought it was a euphemism for lesbian stuff
>>24443818is that emiru?
>>24443819as usual raven > starfire
>>24443924Go watch cat videos until you figure it out.And then call everyone that says that shit a tranny. Literal calling card.
>>24443878The dead rabbi celebrated passover and motherfucking hannukah.There was no monotheistic yahwehist kingdom in Judea prior to the Persian intervention. Yahweh was one war god in a pantheon, even had a consort. The entire torah (old testament) is judeo-supremacist historical fiction. Exodus never happened, Moses didn't exist and Egypt never enslaved 'Israelites'.
>>24443839What he should do is make it redirect to a better imageboard of which there are several so all the traffic can give new life to the other imageboards. Maybe a "4chan has shutdown but here's an index of other imageboards you can try".
For me? It's loopzie
>>24443838If another claim directly builds on and follows logically from a prior claim then yes the structure built onto the prior collapses. It's only the irrelevant stuff that isn't directly built onto it that can still hold up.
>>24443914There's a bridge to Jesus paid it all sung in some traditions that goes "Praise the Lord who paid my debt, and brought me back up from the dead." If you find it in Taryn Harbridges performance of Jesus paid it all and tell me the time she's playing it in the video I will give you a benediction.https://youtu.be/7i424JKlai0?si=DrlfrWie85qyOUfC
>>24443818top ass girl is one bad day away from a nasty near-butthole abscess. hot girls are so confident in their looks they don't even register shit (lol) like this
>>24443851I'm so with Emperor Hadrian and also Iceland.
>>24443934>top girl near butthole abscesswhat makes you say that?t. wizard
>>24443936>What? My asshole isn't supposed to have weeping sores?
>>24443818youre information is false, youre brainwashed.the old testament is not hebrew. because hebrew does not exist. hebrew is only a spoken language, written hebrew does not exist. can you explain then how the OT was written in hebrew? face it, you are a retard.what really happened: the jews "corrected" the written bible(greek) with their oral-only word passed down for 6 million generations.jews are fakers of history, they have actually zero evidence of ever existing. if you choose to believe known liars i cant help you.
>>24443936i am a wizard to so i can identify them. she has pimple in her buttcrack, look closely at the red dot. those can get infected by feces when they pop, and turn into nasty and massive abscesses since there is a lot of soft tissue in the buttocks that can absorb tons of pusnot a fun thing to think about, but it is actually very common
>>24443818There is a profound misunderstanding of what Judaism is. One true God, I am, is a universal one true God that existed across humanity before demons took over and created structures of faith and power in humanity. Current Judaism is one sect, it is Talmudic Judaism based on merger of pharisees and seducees merging after the fall of their temple and creating Talmud as a reaction to Christianity rising above them in fact Talmud is younger than Christianity. The understanding of metaphysics in Christianity are the revealed purified divine metaphysics but even before the incarnation of Christ Judaistic cults like Essenes and Hellenistic judaisers started to see and understand the truth through their own texts. On the other hand Talmudic Jews ultimately fall into influence of Kabbalistic metaphysics.If you understand what Sephirot, Qliphot and concept of emanations is and how it affects all branches of Judaism especially popular eastern European branches like chabad, you will understand that their God is completely different and in fact is bordering on pantheism and gnosticism.>>24443907Neoplatonism fails because it talks about logos in theory, you can not actually account for movement of Logoi to logos to reality. Only orthodox Christianity can.
>>24443937>>24443939ooooh shit didnt see that, it was hiding in the shadow from the other girls hand. wish you wouldnt have said anything, my mind is retarded and refuses to let go of stupid shit when I'm jerking off.
>>24443912Jesus was crucified in 33 AD. It hasn't been two millennia.Strangely enough, we're coming close to the two millennium point.Even stranger, at the one millennium point a massive earthquake struck the area Jesus was crucified (an earthquake also took place the moment Jesus was crucified) and killed 100,000 people.Who knows what will happen at the actual two millennia point? Maybe nothing, maybe something.I do think it's interesting we were born around the time it happens and things are getting verrrrrry crazy leading up to 2033.
>>24443818How are women so comfortable sexualizing their friends like this? Men wouldn’t do this, it would be extremely weird.
>>24443941Go the FUCK back to India, turbofaggot jeet.
>>24443868Can you explain what psychologically or financially or otherwise motivates you to revive the dead religion of cuck is currently infested with nothing but grifters and senile boomers and shitskins and which is just used as a proxy for political agendas such as draft dodging or allowing more of one's kin to come into the country from a foreign nation? I don't understand what the appeal of an obviously false religion built upon the teachings of a foreskin munching jealous personal god is when if actually care about the truth you can just go to Essentia Foundation and listen to the interviews and then read books and research papers on consciousness.
>>24443902It matters not, you are still a vermin
>>24443943>weirdGay. The word you wanted was "gay."And of course they aren't men. That's why they cope with troonery(it doesn't work).
>>24443946>spickocado comin in hot to defend his gay jewish religion that he got from usthat you got from us like a part of your genes too. say 'Thank You Sir' for fucking your whore of a chupacabra grandmother, you worthless little spick of shit
>>24443944
>>24443945In short, I am spiritually opposed to faggotry, in all its various metaphysical forms. This is also why your sodombabble has no effect on me. I recognize it for the cock-gargling that it is.
This is now a Starfire thread
>>24443951>spiritually opposed to faggotry>worships a gay jew whose belief system boils down to basic-bitch modern day 'just be nice, lol!'don't you have some nigger feet to clean and kiss?
>>24443943>How are women so comfortable sexualizing their friends like this?because deep down they know all of their worth ultimately flows from their sexuality. So in the very short window that girls are actually friends before they inevitably either betray or grow bored with one another, they try to advertise each others sexuality to help each other. It also helps them cope with their own whorish ways to bring others into it. Its like drug addicts wallowing in codependence. Also due to the vast majority of human evolutionary history where most men didnt procreate and nearly all women had to share a man, women's brains and psyche have evolved to be anywhere from tolerant to open participation in women-gayness
>>24443839If he ever did that Watkins would try to move in like he did with 2channel and infinity.
>>24443878>>Historical evidence of their God actually walking the earth Like what, the scriptures? Buddha also walked the Earth and there's footprints from Buddhist monks.>>His teachings are different than any other religion and actually extremely philosophically advanced for the time periodNot at all, they were backwards, vague, etc. The Book of the Way (Dao) is far better.>>The Bible itself is extremely profound and the way it is written and organized is insane for the time periodNo it's incredibly retarded. Both myself as a child reading it and myself reading various translations of it again later as an adult have only found it to be embarrassing and cringe. The biggest question when reading tripe like the Bible is "how could anyone take this shit seriously". Meanwhile there's many other philosophical and religious books with better narratives, better ethics, deeper comprehension of human behavior and of the workings of nature, etc. that are actually compelling.>>At the core of the belief it requires nothing of the believer but faith. No money required, no tasks required. A peasant has just as much potential for salvation as a king, if not more since temporal pleasure and material goods hinder the spiritual development of a personWell Daoism just requires contemplation and critical thinking not blind faith. Also salvation is a retarded concept. What you do or don't do during life isn't going to make any difference to your astral body btw, only learning astral projection will help you get acquainted with the life outside of the body.>If any religion is true, it's Christianity.Hell no. Abrahamic religions are the most bogus ones there are. Daoism, Confucianism, Hermeticism, Stoicism, etc. all totally mog the shit out of Abrahamic retards.
>>24443887Are you sure that salvation bullshit was really all that common? The Christcucks seem to think that every religion offers salvation, and have no clue that countless people live their lives having no need of this supposed "salvation".
>>24443818Kill yourself, kike filth.
>>24443892>Fallen people in fallen world are filled to the brim with sinful desires and sinful intentions. Has nothing to do with a fall and purely everything to do with biological determinism and its interaction with environmental variables. People with perverse desires and intentions are that way because they were born that way, but also the people with good desires and intentions are also that way because they were born that way. Everything comes down to eugenics/breeding. If you breed humans right you get civil, well-mannered, highly ethical people or you get parasites. It's the same thing as with every other animal.>We will not be saved by works, because our every thought and every action is corrupt and wicked.Complete bullshit. Thoughts and actions are not all corrupt and wicked, they very in quality. This is just such a complete bullshit claim you're making here. Also salvation is a fake concept there is no salvation.>It is only through Christ that we are saved.Meaningless ultra-vague thought-terminating cliche.
>>24443896Whatever you call the people and faith of the guys who wrote the old testament, they're a bunch of genital mutilator freaks. Talking about how jews today are a recent thing doesn't deflect from the fact your Yahweh got defeated by chariots.
>>24443821
>>24443946Brazil monkeys have about as much credibility in determining who is vermin or not as a literal down syndrome retard kid is going to be taken seriously if he goes to a theoretical physics institutes and starts blabbering. Brazil is nothing but vermin.
Get mogged by Grade A Premium Aussie Bussy.
>>24443957>Are you sure that salvation bullshit was really all that common?yes. I read a lot when I left the church. One of the things i was taught was how revolutionary and unique the concept of personal salvation that christianity supposedly brought, I vividly remember how mind blowing it was to read about the mystery-savior cults of the 1st century all around the med.
>>24443913Yeah so you want me to just personally believe a bunch of retarded horseshit and not even get the benefit of being part of a community and finding a wife as compensation.Everything you demand of me is a big L and nothing to be gained from it all.I'd rather continue focusing my energies into studying parapsychology, physics, neuroscience, etc. and getting my answers there and not from the various translations of bronze age retards and their naive and child-like bullshit they wrote about the world they clearly didn't understand.
>>24443949Let me reaffirm croatnigger. You're vermin.
>Christian theology relies on Jewish prophecies to validate Jesus as the Messiah.This is the illegitimacy, this isn't Biblically or historically true
>>24443966>spickocado from messico comin in hot to assist!OH!! oh nO!!!!!!! FUUCK that's it, it's FUCKING OVER!!!!!!!!!!! I'm already buying a ticket to africa where I will do nothing but wash and kiss nigger feet. JESUS IS KAAAANGGZ!!!!!
>>24443968please keep the cope for your turkish rape baby descent to a minimum
>>24443969where's the cope? you guys finally won. You won. I'm now a christian and I WILL BE GOING. TO Africa. So that I can kiss nigger feet all day, wash nigger feet, call them god's children.WE WILL ALL WIN AGAINST THE EVIL WHITE RACISTS. VIVA RISTO REY.One race. The human race. Under Jesus DA KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>24443949Triple down dog vermin
>>24443940>Neoplatonism fails because it talks about logos in theory, you can not actually account for movement of Logoi to logos to reality. Only orthodox Christianity can.I don't see how that is even a problem. Explain to me why I should even care about this supposed "problem" and what the Orthodox have said about it. To me logos is just "the laws of chemistry/biology/physics/mind/etc".
>>24443926The one LARPing as Raven is plain and she's making that ridiculous duckface expression. She only wins by default because the Starfire LARPer has that godawful septum piercing
>>24443971>tripl-AAAAAAAAAACK
>>24443970I'm not brown, or a christ lover. Feel free to keep it up.
>>24443975>uhhhh naah dude, I'm not brown OR a christcuck, I just sided with a bunch of browns and christcucks to call you names because, uhm, UHM!!
>2026>still arguing about Jizzass or god being realNgmi
>>24443951I'm opposed to behaviors which are contrary to the workings of nature and not productive unto the good life too, and for perfectly rational reasons as well as reasons pertaining to the instinctual nature, and I have no need of a dead rabbi to tell me to hate such abominations.
>>24443972Because logos without Telos is trivial. Teleology is necessary for information to be real because for information to be non -arbitrary there needs to be Logoi level value judgement between parts is reality manifest through Logos.If there is no Teleology than you concede that effectively knowledge is impossible and you are not certain if reality is real or if you are a Boltzmanns brain.If you do accept teleology you necessarily come to some kind of monadism or concept similar to a divine mind.
>>24443818Well no shit. “If the foundations of addition and subtraction are wrong, all of mathematics is wrong”. The problem with Jews isn’t that the Old Testament is false, but that they reject Christ and do not believe all the prophecies of the savior have been met yet. While they wait for the savior to arrive, they play God and assume the identity of His chosen people. It’s not necessarily they their premise is false…just everything after it
>>24443964Oh you're talking about the mediterranian I missed that. I thought you were talking about the whole world.Well, even so, I don't recall stoics, pythagoreans, epicureans, cynics, etc. talking about "salvation". Isn't it just the Mithraics and some others that had some kind of salvation? A lot of cults too like Bacchics, Eleusinians, etc. had some form of death and rebirth ritual but I still don't recall talk about "salvation". Mind going over which groups had a salvation concept and how many of those found "salvation" through a messiah vs through some kind of process they undertook themselves?
>>24443970That's what all the Christians I know have done. They went to Malawi specifically. Now they wash nigger feet there forever.
>>24443982how gross. the sooner that jewish death cult disappears from our people the better, then we can finally start fixing everything that it caused
>>24443977God is real, personal gods of religion are not. The universe is God and we're in the universe so of course God is real.
>>24443984God tongues my anus
>>24443818Judeism was invented hundreds of years *after* Christianity in direct opposition to christianity
>>24443979Are you familiar with The Kybalion because I go by the Hermetic teachings about what is reality.Also the law is a divine cosmic mind.All this knowledge are you saying it's just lacking from Neoplatonism?
Can someone tell me why would they be Christian given these facts?>Discontinuinity with the Torah, a line of prophets then suddenly it's God himself>Use dishonest reinterpretations of the OT to prove shit nobody even believed in the first century of Christianity>Paul is the core of their belief who happens to contradict Jesus and the Apostles>The salvation dogma is retarded, why would a just God sacrifice an innocent man for the crimes of another? Goes against everything in the Torah>They somehow believe the Torah teaches that only blood negates sin, completely false>The co-substantiality bs took 350 years to be canonized>Most early Christians thought of Jesus as co-subordinate(lesser God)>We have no proof any of the disciples wrote the Gospels, they were written anonymously>They copy each other word for word (Mattew, Luke copying Mark)>The highest Christology Gospel they love so much was written 70 years after the death of Jesus>The trinity is retarded bullshit that uses relative identity to make it sensible but then everyone would be a monotheist under that rule>The hypostatic union violates logic>Jesus himself keeps assuring others that he's distinct and dependent on the Father>Church fathers declare which books are canon or not based on what Paul thinks>Luke's author doesn't even believe in the Cruxifixtion being an atonement for Sin>Jesus keeps saying he was only sent for the children of Israel
>>24443818why are women so fucking disgusting
>>24443818Built for BAC
>>24443980Messiahs and saviors and salvation and baptism and the eucharist and so on are all fake concepts.
>>24443838pretty much. it's no secret that most crimes are committed by niggers, but technically that means that most crimes are committed by men which is the statistic that most trannies focus on while disregarding any other factors.
>>24443983What was really upsetting for me is we're talking a large Dutch all blond white family uprooting themselves from Canada, selling all their belongings and home, just so they can be missionaries in Apefrica.There oldest daughter has returned to Canada and I want to marry her but navigating the whole Christian thing is going to be tough. Not necessarily just from her but from her family.I can LARP up to a certain extent if need be to appease cultists and their superstitions but they sense to some extent the incongruity and become suspicious and I definitely am not going to Africa.
>>24443985So basically you're saying you can have the entire universe in your anus. I guess from a holographic fractal perspective it's true.
>>24443988Cucktianity is the most retarded religion
>>24443910The greatest counter-argument to your words you posted is to just visit any neo-Nazi gathering in Canada or America and probably in any other country too. Nothing but feeble Millennials, fed-posters, pro-fascists, satanists, nihilists, and of course white trash. Nutzism as it exists today is a big money scheme to transfer endless wealth, food, resources, to glowniggers.
>>24443993first of all, you just need to break her jewish cult brainwashing. it may seem daunting, but an Aryan man will ALWAYS be able to win over anything brown, I promise you this.you don't even need to break her away from her family, just tell her that you'll let her larp yeshova this yeshova that with her family a little bit, and maybe for the not going to niggerland part you can tell them that you want to raise your children by keeping them in place where they can get friends and such as an excuse to not go to africa and worship niggers
>>24443988>>The salvation dogma is retarded, why would a just God sacrifice an innocent man for the crimes of another? Goes against everything in the TorahI was with you until "goes against everything in the Torah". Dude the Torah has scapegoating in it, it has innocent animals being killed to allow bronze age kikes weirdos to be excused of their wrongdoings.
>>24443948>starts crashing out over troonsthat's not what i asked. >>24443954yeah, do you think in the female brain it's like >her ass is attractive, if i put my face near it in a picture, the men i want will see and associate the attractiveness of the ass with meit has to be something like that
>>24443996witty point buddy boy, except christshits were ALWAYS the dregs of society. whores, thieves, petty, hateful wretches who abhor the strong and beautiful? yep, the building blocks of christianity. you're one of them.
>erm did you know christianity is jewish???tell me something I don't know what is the point of this fucking thread?
>>24443818Moses didn't existGame. Set. Match
>>24443825Jews would never tell gentiles to become pagan.I have never once seen christians provide undeniable evidence of jews doing this. Nothing at all like pic related.And if you look back in time you will see jews kvetching about Nazi Germany bringing back pagan practices. This is how I know it's the right path.
>>24444002I desireMacaroni necklaces
>>24443998You maybe right but I should've specified God's character in Ezekiel.
names?
>>24443981>Well, even so, I don't recall stoics, pythagoreans, epicureans, cynics, etc. talking about "salvation".they did not, not all mystery cults centered around a salvation figure.>mithraics, bacchics>which groups had a slavation conceptI am too lazy to go through my bookshelves to properly answer your question properly. The first thing that springs to mind is Plutarchs book on Isis and Osiris. He talks a lot about the mystery cults, but somewhat obliquely as it seems likely he was sworn to secrecy and would not reveal the "high mysteries" that he was privy to.>"salvation" through a messiah vs through some kind of process they undertook themselves?Usually it was a combination of both. The salvation figure was typically a semi devine figure that went through a number of spiritual tribulations, most of the time was defeated or died, but came back in some fashion to share this method of spiritual rebirth with those who could understand it. Salvation came to those who were progressively taught higher and more selective mysteries so they could more closely understand and replicate the process of salvation. It was not necessarily a universal and simple process as modern mainstream christianity is packaged as. Think of how important baptism, communion etc was and is. Rituals like this were crucial to the mystery cults.I didnt realize this book was so expensive now, but I remember it being particularly informative to the relation between the mystery cults and early christianity, though not necessarily on the mystery cults themselves.
>>24443877Your in favor of the Jews of the Bible. Where is he wrong philosemite dog of Rabbi Yeshua?
>>24443878Moses didn't exist. So it's completely false saaaarrr
>>24444003Fool that you are. Because, paganism is an amorphous whatever with no real model for what to expect in religion. It's a gateway into being a guru's drone.
>>24443956There’s a strong biological component to philosophy. Some are predisposed to be Taoists and some are predisposed to be Christians. The biological Christian likely finds the writings of Lao Tzu as infantile and asinine as you find the Bible to be. Really no use in arguing about it, m8.
>>24443946You are the India of the Western Hemisphere silence chimp
>>24444012India is the India of the world. You're going to have to find an entire other planet to compare your species to.
>>24443892The dick cutting is from Yahweh lmao and is pure evil kys my kike slave
>>24443990>BACnice>>24443999yeah some of that, also a signal that she is not a prude, or above sharing a man with other women. Most women would rather share a man that is higher on the totem pole, though that isnt universal. Modern societal trends make that seem obvious to me.>>24444007also I should mention that 1 Corinthians is absolutely full of the exact same kind of language used by the mystery cults at the time. Referring to new or junior members of the church as babes, explaining how some could only handle milk while others could digest meat. Read a few wiki articles or whatever on the language mystery cults used, and then read through 1 Corinthians with the original greek handy and it will blow your mind
>>24443988>>The hypostatic union violates logicExplain how this is so.>>Luke's author doesn't even believe in the Cruxifixtion being an atonement for SinI'm with Luke on this.
>>24444014No, it's secular Jews that promote cutting your dick off.
>>24443818fuck off you bottom feeding nigger
>>24443995Hell no there's more retarded ones than that, Judaism and Islam are both somehow worse, and there's some random nigger and Amerindian cults that are really weird.
>>24443818>nose ringStarfire would never
>>24443842>you're a faggot for watching one of the most popular childrens tv shows that aired 20 years agoYou don't have to act so performative.
>>24444015>also I should mention that 1 Corinthians is absolutely full of the exact same kind of language used by the mystery cults at the time.Every sermon is also often chock full of contemporary references even to other definitions of spirituality. A pastor might compare the joy of Salvation to Zen or refer to cultural references regarding wellness. Obviously les mystery is what the purpose of life is.
>>24443996We're all poor as fuck how are we going to transfer money to glowniggers?Also satanism is just another Abrahamic retard religion.Also nihilism and National Socialism don't really go well together.Also what is your beef with millenials?Your whole post I don't get what point you are even trying to make.Fascism is flawed but it's pretty cool ideology. Julius Evola had better ideas.
>>24443997It's a off-shoot of Dutch Reform, a kind of Neo-Calvinism, which I largely believe to be true but they put a huge emphasis on trivial nonsense too that I don't care about like baptism. They split off from another church over the issue of muh infant baptism. For me, all forms of baptism are equally bullshit and meaningless.
>>24443999I imagine the thought process is more like "this is humiliating, however it is really easy to do this and get money, and I want money to go on pointless vacations and take care of a dog so I'll do it". These whores scorn men.
>>24444022>Every sermon is also often chock full of contemporary references even to other definitions of spirituality.false equivalency. This is typically done to connect with a congregation that is inundated with 24/7 access to limitless media. Completely different circumstances; it is not helpful to try to draw parallels between now and to an iron age society in 1st century Levant where the vast majority of people couldn't even read.
>>24444001Thread is an intervention for the one anon still on here that believes in the Christcuck bullshit and also a chance to expose the spics and other trash among us trying to push Cucktianity onto white people since they know it's a trojan horse they can use to escape South America, Africa, and other shitholes.
>>24444024If you're unbaptized your odds of escaping hell are probably cut in half. We know the thief wasn't baptized but we don't know how Jesus would react if he told him to get baptized and he didn't do it because maybe in some circumstance they aren't both being crucified at the time.
>>24443942>Even stranger, at the one millennium point a massive earthquake struck the area Jesus was crucified (an earthquake also took place the moment Jesus was crucified) and killed 100,000 peopleImagine god sitting around and being like "Watch this, I'm gonna kill 100,000 people just to make my story seem more badass and poetic lmaoooo get dunked on"
The divine is absolutely incorporeal, and impassible. catholics, orthodox, and mainline protestants all believe this.>It cannot suffer>It cannot be shamed>It cannot be arrested, beaten, mocked, crucified>It cannot dieA God who suffers is a God who can be affected, which means a God who is not fully self-sufficient, which means not truly supreme.christcucks say:>yeshua was truly divineotherwise you have the Arianism heresy that atonement has no infinite weight>yeshua truly suffered otherwise you have the Docetism heresy that yeshua only appeared to have a body and only appeared to suffer.>These are not two separate beingsotherwise you have the Nestorian heresy of two personsChalcedon's argument fails to explain how two natures, one person, without confusion, without change, without division, without separation works. How can human suffering affect the impassible divine? It cannotThe followers of the sect of sha'ul (paul) and rabbi yeshua (jesus) have no answer to the above.Additionally yahweh demands the sacrifice of your will to him. Surrendering your autonomy in exchange for love is what cluster Bs ask for.
>>2444400546 “‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: The gate of the inner court facing east is to be shut on the six working days, but on the Sabbath day and on the day of the New Moon it is to be opened. 2 The prince is to enter from the outside through the portico of the gateway and stand by the gatepost. The priests are to sacrifice his burnt offering and his fellowship offerings. He is to bow down in worship at the threshold of the gateway and then go out, but the gate will not be shut until evening. 3 On the Sabbaths and New Moons the people of the land are to worship in the presence of the Lord at the entrance of that gateway. 4 The burnt offering the prince brings to the Lord on the Sabbath day is to be six male lambs and a ram, all without defect. 5 The grain offering given with the ram is to be an ephah,[a] and the grain offering with the lambs is to be as much as he pleases, along with a hin[b] of olive oil for each ephah. 6 On the day of the New Moon he is to offer a young bull, six lambs and a ram, all without defect. 7 He is to provide as a grain offering one ephah with the bull, one ephah with the ram, and with the lambs as much as he wants to give, along with a hin of oil for each ephah. 8 When the prince enters, he is to go in through the portico of the gateway, and he is to come out the same way.
>>24444026I imagine the Greeks were seekers which is why the Epistles are written as they are. There is already reference to attending different religious ceremony and from the history of it it just seems like there was something of a war of ideas that isn't given proper context although addressed in the many letters the Apostles wrote.
>>24444032a reasonable take, but it does nothing to refute my original point; Christianity bringing the idea of 'salvation' into religious discourse of the time and region was not novel, it was in fact a latecomer to the idea and not at all unique as is often proclaimed by many christians
>>24444007Okay well I believe that any substance, area/place, person, entity, etc. can be charged with the intentions-thought so for example water could be used to create an effect in a person. I also believe that there are processes which can be undertaken to transform the mind and to enable one to produce higher phenomena. What I don't believe is the "some guy died so now I'm free from an arbitrary punishment that I can never verify because it's only supposed to happen after death" bullshit the modern Christcuck promotes. I have one Bible passage printed out and on my wall and it's John 14:12 because that passage emphasizes that the apostles, saints, etc. people who'd emulate and follow Christ would do as he did. I don't see any of the modern Christcucks producing even the most rudimentary of psychic phenomena so I mock them now.
>>24444034I wish you fortune and wisdom in your experience of consciousness. Godspeed friend.
>>24444010Being the drone of a guru is basically what christcucks are. Instead of doing spiritual practices and developing themselves and learning about critical thinking and seeing the harmony of the sciences and the spirit, they fracture themselves by following entirely just one teacher and teaching, ignoring everything outside of that, and withering away in spiritual ineptitude.
>>24443869>dude who watches childrens cartoons calling other dude who hurt your feelings a childhahahahaha
>>24444033Nonsense. The claim is Grace and it's a Salvation unobtainable by human ability. Nobody is claiming Christianity is unique in the claim of everlasting life.Matthew 22:23 (KJV) The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,This verse makes it clear that people believed in God resurrecting the dead before Christ was born. Once again, nobody is claiming everlasting life was originally Christian. It's the very specific method of how it is obtained that's unique.
>>24444011> The biological Christian likely finds the writings of Lao Tzu as infantile and asinine as you find the Bible to be. Really no use in arguing about it, m8.Nah. That taoists find Christianity infantile and asinine while the Christcuck finds Taoism to be incomprehensibly big brained and complex or simply will never hear of it because they staunchly ignore everything outside of their carefully curated bubble/echochamber.
>>24444036I suppose you might believe that if you were baptized in a toxic river surrounded by garbage.
>>24443987I'm sorry, traveling by train so can't reply reliably. Hermetic understanding of metaphysics is, not surprisingly, nearly identical to kabbalistic Judaism. There needs to be a hard separation between realm of forms and reality that is other than any kind of concept of subgradients, echoes, emanations or similar ideas.Teleology existing requires three things, separation between matter and forms, an intention or teleology of what forms are manifested into reality versus what forms are not manifested into reality, a "mind" outside of time that "decides" what forms out of infinite forms are manifest versus which one are not. This ability to imprint teleology through logos effectively makes Monad a fully conscious non-deistic entity.I know I sound like a shizo but I just don't have much time to write out everything in posts. I was an atheist hermeticist in past. When you try to construct a fully self consistent model of how reality is manifest eventually you come to the conclusion that either soft solipsism of some kind is real and nothing matters or a divine mind is necessary for objective reality and knowledge to exist at all. Orthodox Christianity is the only framework I know of, after searching for long, that understand platonism without falling into animism, deism or pantheism all of which destroy teleology.In you free time not to listen to my ramblings just sit down and try to formulate what is the basis of ontology, teleology and epistemology.
>>24443818OT and NT are older than Talmud, therefore your sophism is garbage and you must be banned ofrecer.
>>24444028Baptism and hell are false concepts. Baptism is nothing but the arbitrary sprinkling of water on someone, or submersion of someone in water, and nothing more. Anyone taking a shower, swim, or bath is going through the exact same thing. Hell also is a false concept, there is only one life, one cosmos, and the dead are capable of interacting with and observing the living. Circumstances can become bad for people and people can suffer depression, remorse, anger, etc. various imperfections but there is no place called hell that people go to. All the suffering is personal and is in the mind, it's not out there in some external place. I was baptized by the Catholic church while a child and it means absolutely nothing, it's a completely pointless, arbitrary, ineffectual, useless ritual that does nothing.
>>24443818all religion is satanic garbage; created by men; do you think god has a religion? he's that narrow minded?they took extraterrestrial temple worship; mixed it with the plan extraterrestrials have for mankind; mainly the story of the messiah; and made a bunch of stupid shit for people to believe and do; not knowing what the fuck it all means; but, being totally controlable.think of catholics eating a wafer and drinking grape juice; and jews wearing black, with black hats; do you think these actually have meaning?yes and no... the jews worship an alien known as Baal peor, to the canaanites; and he is the lord of the anus, the god of shit; his formal title; so the jews dress in black to look like shinny turds, so their exterrestrial god will bless them. its also why indian roll around in poo.
>>24443818>Ethical systems: Christian ethics (e.g., the Sermon on the Mount) can be argued to possess universal moral value even if the theological history is rejected.Problem is that gives you secular humanism which we also know to be a failed ideology. Jesus's ideas about how to live are just wrong, at least for the masses if not for everyone. Maybe a few monks can live how he wants you to live, but at a societal level it's just asking to be invaded and destroyed by people who are being more cut-throat. And that doesn't save Christianity, which is the main point of these "debates." All debates on /pol/ about Christianity are about saving it from what it obviously is and trying to massage it into being a right-wing religion for the right to coalesce around. For it to function on that level it at least has to be true. If it isn't true, it doesn't matter that you can provide some rational secular basis for why some of the teachings are still accurate; that's believing the arguments, not the religion. If the religion's just a bundle of rational arguments it doesn't have the transcendental value it's being sold on.Christianity is the mother lode of bad ideas for Whites in 2026 and it isn't true. We don't even need to talk about it being Jewish, it can die right there.
>>24444038>Nobody is claiming Christianity is unique in the claim of everlasting life.objectively false, I have heard personally and often something along the lines of 'Christianity is self evidently special because it innovated the idea of personal salvation from sin'. You can refute that particular argument all you want, but that doesnt mean it isnt out there.>very specific method of how it is obtained that's unique.we can argue cunt hairs about HOW unique it is, but I think the claim that christianity is special because its method of salvation is so different from it's contemporary alternatives is objectively false. Refer to my earlier posts.>Matthew 22:23>some believed in resurrection before christirrelevant to any disagreement in our respective positions.
>>24444029Now you understand why he has filled that area with the worst dregs of mankind. Usurers, faggots, idolators, warmongers, feminists, politicians, lawyers, and child molesters all in a tiny pocket area that he plans on smiting.Not one good person will be harmed.
>>24444041>Hermetic understanding of metaphysics is, not surprisingly, nearly identical to kabbalistic Judaismkabbalism is just plagarized Hermetic tradition, neo-Platonism, and gnosticism in a jewish supremacist trench coat>construct a fully self consistent model of how reality is manifest eventually you come to the conclusion that either soft solipsism of some kind is real and nothing matters or a divine mind is necessary for objective reality and knowledge to exist at allA divine mind in the sense of a human mind is not necessary at all. Emanation from the monad creates an objective reality and knowledge without intent. Read Plotinus. The emanation of the physical world comes through the creation of the aether, now commonly known as space-time.
>>24444043>it's a completely pointless, arbitrary, ineffectual, useless ritual that does nothing.It seemed to do something. It's a shame that you use that to try to discredit the sacrament. For a lot of people that Baptism is one of their most precious things. The congregation, so full of hope for that infant being ceremonially sprinkled with that water. Sign of the cross right on the baby's forehead to mark him as God's own son...Oh well, I guess. The Bible makes it clear it isn't for everybody. It's just that not everyone gets the luxury of a baptism like that. For many it's a full immersion dunk being reformed after feeling the sting of death from all their sins.
>>24444040Oh you make me remember an instance of an outbreak of disease because christcucks were doing baptisms in a storm water pond and they all got suck as a result lol.So the best case scenario with a baptism is someone gets wet for a bit and nothing else happens, but I guess the worst case scenarios are developing delusions or getting really sick.
>>24444042You believe in a god that commanded his followers to chop part of their dick off. And the only reason you don't need to now is because rabbi sha'ul said goyim don't need to. rabbi yeshua fully expected his followers to mutilate baby penis still. You are a retard.
>>24444030Saying random words that are unable to form meaning is not impressive, your understanding of God is strange. God possesses a divine mind, an infinite vastness of all Logoi that could be and all world that could be, God knows everything including suffering because all being is entirely derived from his Logoi. God chooses to manifest reality through Logos in his spirit. This manifestation from Logoi to logos in spirit upholds and manifests reality from every moment to every moment, in fact reality exists only in this active process being upheld by God because created reality is by definition a lesser level of existence than the totality of what possible Logoi are out there but it is precious due to manifestation. The Logoi that are chosen to be manifest though logos are by definition good because from the infinity of what could have been only this is determined to be important enough to exist.What you do not understand is that a hypostasis and essence are not identical, you make a typical mistake that every single pagan minded person makes because you are by definition materialistic and you axiomatically presuppose that personhood is a property of nature. Personhood, agency, the pattern by which you manifest your will exists as a pattern irregardless of what nature it is manifested in, the agency that makes you you could be manifested through a Cat's nature and even though a cat you would be limited your personal properties that make your decisions identifiable would be discernable in a cat.Christ is a divine person, his personhood exists pre-eminently before time, the very pattern of his agency is always correct because his personhood is logos is logic.Divine nature did not need to incarnate, it is impossible for creation to contain divine essence because creation is a minute to minute product of active manifestation of limited Logoi. Divine person can incarnate because a person is not a mere sub-property of nature.
>>24444030>>24444052Divine person, the logos, was truly fully assuming his divine essence that exists before time and truly assuming his human essence, but the personhood, the pattern of agency is one and the same and is not a mere subservient product of nature. You of course being pagan minded believe that all personhood is but a property of essence, because of this you are dead and blind, you are dust and you accept death as your own.
>>24444050You're reminding me of a herpes outbreak from Orthodox Jews insisting on sucking the blood of circumcized infants.
>>24444041>separation between matter and formsIn what sense is this separation meaningful and necessary?Also what do you mean by matter? I understand matter to be "vortices in a field and their interactions". Matter is not really discreet, a particle, solid, etc. but more like the interactions of energy-patterns.>This ability to imprint teleology through logos effectively makes Monad a fully conscious non-deistic entity.Okay but Hermeticism is Panentheistic not deistic.>I was an atheist hermeticist in past. Hermeticism is not atheistic though.>Orthodox Christianity is the only framework I know of, after searching for long, that understand platonism without falling into animism, deism or pantheism all of which destroy teleology.Okay but what about panentheism?>In you free time not to listen to my ramblings just sit down and try to formulate what is the basis of ontology, teleology and epistemology.I have been doing so also if you have specific books or lectures that were really influential in shaping your current views please share them but currently I think you are confused. At least you have enough familiarity with the concept of emanations and with kabbalah though to comment on it. I am very interested in any critique you have on the idea of emanations as I ascribe to such a notion as emanations.
>>24444052>>24444053Your conception of god is dualistic and therefore not supreme. The supreme god does not think because thinking creates a dualism of thinker and thought, by which thought affects the thinker. So a dualistic god is not impassible, and therefore not supreme.The monad is eternal and impassible, and most supreme. Any supposed god is just an emanation of the monad if it exists. I do deny yahweh's existence.
>>24443826The bots are made by secular jewish atheists. The people who pay for these threads see it as a means to attack their enemy. CHRISTIANS.
if you saw jesus bring himself back from the dead would you lie about what you witnessed on the off chance that some anon in the future would accuse you of being jewish
>>24444044I used to dress in all black always and only have black clothing. I did it because I didn't want to be visible to others. Then eventually it had the effect of me standing out so I changed what I dress when I did find some clothing that looked good, felt right, and wasn't black. I believe dressing in black is like trying to have a car that is as plain and common as possible. Clothing often reflects our values and sensibilities. I think that if people wear a certain style of clothing for too long it just mutates into "tradition" which if you've read The Pilgrim's Progress you ought to know should be scrutinized. Tradition is just doing shit because the people before you have been doing it for a fairly long time and not questioning it. However dressing in all black outside of tradition is something that really does have a psychological meaning. Not trying to stand out could be one of those meanings.
>>24444048>Emanation from the monad creates an objective reality and knowledge without intentI can't help you if you don't understand how this is a self refuting sentence. It is something that you need to come to on your own I guess by reading more, this is the main tension between Aristotelianism and Platonism that neither can account for on their own, a mere principle from the monad can not account for Teleology because intrinsic causality is necessary for Telos to exist at all. Platonism and Neo-platonic ideas in general are effectively neutral/agnostic to actual causality in time and instead rely on effectively pre-eminent non sentient patterns agnostic to time.
>>24443963you're gross scotchy
>>24444056A God of pure thought and pure act is not God at all, effectively it is a non being and a collection of patterns that exist without prior Teleology thus entire Monad is internally arbitrary. Your entire tension with what you falsely call dualism is resolved by trinitarianism because motion from logos to Logoi in spirit which manifests reality, it is one divine essence in three persons/hypostasis. This accounts for the motion of manifestation of reality from potential to manifestation to actualization.What alternative are you suggesting? An internally arbitrary monad that reality self arranges towards, again arbitrarily, following pre arranged patterns as a necessary deterministic result of pure act/thought.
>>24444059Your authority on spiritual matters, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, the problem with gurus is they form these cults of personality. They talk about themselves rather than doctrine. I think it's a cope when you don't have the get because you didn't do the do. What I mean is ordained priests have been through a rigorous course of indoctrination in which they must practice their gospel and also speak it to the outside world. The guru's gospel is all made up nonsense that they create a cult of personality around.
>>24444046>we can argue cunt hairs about HOW unique it is, but I think the claim that christianity is special because its method of salvation is so different from it's contemporary alternatives is objectively false. Refer to my earlier posts.Are you sure about this? Cucktianity seems to have a particularly unique idea about salvation compared to the other ideas of salvation out there. Cucktianity preaches you can be saved by making a mental ascent to the notion some dude was crucified and that somehow means you can escape an arbitrary punishment awaiting people after death for the crime of having been born with a sinful nature all because of the action of a supposed common ancestor of all humans long ago. Cucktianity has the most lazy salvation system where you don't have to really do anything other than maybe announce in a church meeting "I've been saved" or in some protestant sects they don't even have that and instead "some are the elect and are saved, it's already predetermined before birth" like calvinists or "everyone has been saved actually, there is nothing more we need to do, we're just here to share the good news with you that jesus died for everyone and all are saved in him and there is nobody outside of him". At least with other salvation cults, and also probably early Christianity itself, they probably had to do something like take a psychedelic or do a form of meditation that alters consciousness or go to a specific cave or other place that happens to produce altered states of consciousness" and then play out a drama that helps them understand the nature of the self. The Modern christcuck doesn't have to do anything to obtain salvation and is dumb as the Jew who abuses a chicken.
>>24444048Is space-time is not fundamental then from what does it derive?
This thread must be killed
>>24444037It's a 20 year old show
>>24443900>17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.>>24443901>14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.In other words, the Christian religion is just a newer Jewish fairy tale based on older jewish fairy tales.
>>24444055I went through a generic pipeline of Aristotelianism and Platonism, Galen, Proclus, Alexander of Aphrodisias etc etc. Then eventually I started looking at modern philosophers to understand their critique of foundations of philosophy, David Hume, Cartesianism, Kant etc. Though the closer we got to modern day the more I felt like philosophy got disingenuous and became part sociology part politics. Still I got a certain sense of how to deconstruct metaphysics to try to analyze it. I was also generally interested in Kabalah, Hermeticism, and various eastern practices like Buddhism and Hinduism because it produced a lot of interesting and fun media, even Lovecraftian mythos probably echoes ideas of Para Brahman a bit.Eventually when I started studying neoplatonics and platonic judaisers like Philo of Alexandria I started to see lack of accountability for teleology because I do not think that it is possible to separate teleology from causality and intent.Eventually I got onto church fathers, desert father's, the Cappadocians, Peter the Iberian etc. and something clicked in my head as it does for a lot of people when they feel like they found truth. I think it is beneficial even for non-christians to look into christians thoughts like saint John of Damascus etc.
>>24444049My sister was baptized too and also she took the eucharist during my grandmother's funeral. Yet she's a communist and hate religions more than me. I just cross my arms at church and don't take the eucharist as I don't think I should participate in a ritual that I see as utterly meaningless. What do you think would even happen if I were to consume the eucharist again? My sister did and just said jokingly "free food" about it later when I asked her why she didn't cross her arms. Also who is worse; me for not taking the eucharist because I don't believe in the doctrine or my sister for taking it because she is utterly indifferent to the point she will go through the motions anyways all while not believing?Also when I talk to people in churches the majority in any church has no clue what baptism even is about and have none of the feelings you describe them as supposedly having about it.Also what does so many people who were all baptized as babies falling away from the Catholic church say about baptism? How come baptism doesn't protect people from leaving Catholicism?
>>24444064>Are you sure about this?quite. >Cucktianity seems to have a particularly unique idea about salvation compared to the other ideas of salvation out there.only because of the jewish idea of original sin and the influence of 2nd temple Judaism in needing a sacrifice to atone for it. So everything that could be claimed to be unique about the type/method of salvation offered by early Christianity is explicitly jewish in origin.>Cucktianity preaches you can be saved by making a mental ascent to the notion some dude was crucifiedritual practice had a much higher importance in 1st and 2nd century christianity thant it does in modern chrisanity, protestantism in particular. Baptism and partaking in the eucharist in particular were not viewed as optional.>At least with other salvation cults, and also probably early Christianity itself...you're on the right track. Visions, dreams, speaking in tongues etc etc. were a major part of the early church. Paul as a matter of fact had to write out specific rules to handle it because one church had a problem of too many people speaking in tongues at once and it needed to be regulated. I can't remember off the top of my head which letter it is. Maybe 1 Corinthians again?
>>24444070My guess is that you and your sister went to a public school? Growing up and being implanted with false ideas while being fed the truth can create conflicting behaviors. I see you as one such example.
>>24443878The bible says that god cannot be contained in the whole universe but he was contained in the womb of 11 year old?The bible says god doesn't die, jesus diedThe bible says god will never sleep or slumber, jesus didWhy do you think jesus was god? He does nothing which is godlike.
>>24444073You are an actual retard and are unable to understand distinction between essence, persons and energy/act.
>>24443951
>>24444059all the black clothing worn in the west is satan/saturn worship. the large brims are the rings of saturn.colors have meaning as to which alien-god you worship... black is ra, marduk, baal; blue is ptah, remphan, lucifer; white is isis, ester, frieda, red is enlil, jupiter, odenit all comes from extraterrestrials. and the gods...ra, or baal, created the first religion in Egypt, and started making up stories and associating planets with the gods, and himself.there is a truth; that the extraterrestrials have a plan for us, they made us, "in our image"they put us in a matrix to go through this plan.to have it run on automatic.we are currently in the end times; tribulation.the jews will be exterminated; they are gog. magog.you can't get out of the matrix. i tried.
>>24444074Bro the trinity is literally polytheism. Since you're so smart, explain it without falling into a heresy or coping that it's a mystery.
>>24444060>>24444062Emanation is not self refuting. The aether observably spontaneously emanates particles without thought as observed through the Casimir Effect. This same concept can be applied to the monad. The monad certainly is a being unless you're trying to use Sartre's definition. Hypostasis is mere wordplay and the trinity cannot exist without leaps in logic. Porphyry demonstrated this over 1500 years ago and will remain forever unanswered because it is impossible to refute his logic.The monad emanates intelligence (commonly thought of as god or gods in the classical sense) which emanate the world soul which emanates reality. You fail to understand that yahweh's dualistic thinking implies arbitrary thought all the same as the monad arbitrarily emanates. The emanation is deterministic. So is yahweh.>>24444065memeflag but I'll respond. It comes from the world soul.
>>24444049Btw, I don't try to discredit sacraments, I try instead to understand them and become frustrated also by the obviously lack of efficacy they have, and the inability of anyone to explain what they even do or what the point of them is, and by the diverse interpretations of the sacraments. I take an empirical approach to them and wouldn't mind experimenting with and trying out all kinds of sacraments, they really are just pointless though.
>>24444051>that quoteIs that from the Table Talks? The Christcucks on here don't believe in Table Talks.
>>24444077>the trinityyou people have been lied to. they take reality of the matrix and the alien plan for mankind; and make up stupid shit which you regurgitate.trinity is three people. the messiah the the two witnesses...Zechariah 4:11And I answer and say unto him, `What [are] these two olive-trees, on the right of the candlestick, and on its left?'13 And he speaketh unto me, saying, `Hast thou not known what these [are]?' And I say, `No, my lord.'14 And he saith, `These [are] the two sons of the oil, who are standing by the Lord of the whole earth.'Revelation 11:4these are the two olive [trees], and the two lamp-stands that before the God of the earth do stand;
>>24444052I believe that the omniscience of God is entirely limited to what is actual and has nothing of the nature of alternative realities, speculations, etc. for the specific reason that if God thinks a thought, then it is. Only we can think about possibilities, for is entirely of the nature of actuality. This is also why God can't prevent many things from happening, with God the thought and the happening of it are one.
>>24443818The fulcrum is JesusIf not Jesus then not JudaismIf Jesus then 'Judaism' but not the rabbinic bullshit codified in the second/third centuryMessianic prophecy was part of the doctrine since the beginning. Literally the response to the fall with Adam and Eve. Sectarian 'evolution' theorists are retarded. Christianity isn't the distinct derivation by addition. Rabbinic Judaism is the perversion by omission. Simple as
>>24444052> God chooses to manifest reality through Logos in his spirit.I also think that "choice" and "choose" are not words that pertain to God. Everything that God does is done of necessity. Choice implies options, alternatives, etc. but these don't exist for God. Everything God does is out of eternal necessity.
>>24444077Lol, agency/personhood is not a property of essence, you believe that personhood is a property of essence. If you believe that personhood, as in the pattern of agency is reducible to essence than you necessarily believe in naturalistic hard determinism and you also believe that your version of God is effectively a non-sentient pure act/pure thought. Hypostasis is distinct from essence, because of this there can be one preeminent divine essence before causality existed prior to time and three distinct hypostasis so three distinct agents that are one being both in nature and because they are outside of time and everything that would be outside of time is necessarily one because uncausdness us funnily enough a property of essence and the only essence that possess it is divine essence.Reality manifest by the vector of movement from Logoi to logos in spirit, this accounts for sentient proactive creation and not borderline deistic shizophrenia that Muslims have.
>>24444080Yes. They like to claim the Table Talks are made up because a biographer recorded them and not a stenographer. As if they would hold any other source to such a standard, let alone the gospels which all contradict one another.
>>24443818Jesus was the last jew. All those who have not accepted Christ are God-damned and living with the old blood curses and damnation via the old covenant.Those who say they are jews are not. They are the synagogue of satan.
>>24444078Yahweh is not deterministic because Yahweh is able to make decisions outside of casualty since Gods essence is outside of time.Gods essence is not reducible to what we can experience in material reality because reality is already causal, this is why Aristotelianism had that correct intuition to find a first prime unmoved mover prior to time.
>>24444083>The fulcrum is Jesusjesus was the start of the age of pisces; the messiah is the end of the age of pisces; which we are in now; the end times.jesus worship is false; he is for the lost sheep.look to the future...follow the laws of moses. strictly. kill the jews, fags, and sell the whores to the niggers.separate yourselves by race. tribe.live by your blood line. don't disgrace yourself with tattoos, piercings, colored hair, make up, whoring etc.we're going into a new age. everything old will die, and we will return to the time when jupiter ruled the earth; think summaria.
>>24444082>>24444084Your understanding of metaphysics is presuposing thomist adjacent view of deterministic reality that even seculars have in the west. This was a fun conversation but I have to leave, that being said I would suggest just for fun to look into how orthodox and catholic metaphysics are significantly different, you can start in first centuries with the Cappadocians.
>>24444090>metaphysicsthis is the matrix we live in; created by the aliens, who created us.it is the science of kings; it has been studied since the days of noah, and every civilization.you can know the past and future, but you can not prevent it.
>>24443818Why do people on /shitboardforretards/ keep trying to link Christianity to Judaism? I know Judeo Christianity blah blah blah. You guys are taking some bullshit that happened 3 years ago and acting like Israel was always that evil. They haven't been on the offensive until Netanyahu. Mostly they were a country of peace. Nobody cared before Gaza because there was nothing to care about and Jewishness was just treated like a fringe belief that had some cute traditions.So being lumped in with Judaism through Jesus being a rabbi and using the OT wasn't a big deal for us I mean, Jews are our history and then what we were supposed to proceed from and overcome. Christianity isn't a Jewish religion its a religion based on ending worship in it with mercy and restraint.We can be friends with Jews but also believe their religion is obsolete and dead now.Just because you guys frame Christianity as a tool of evil doesn't mean it always was. For LESS than 1% of its history it was concerned with Jews. Then some guy said "hey would it be nice if we would harbor Jews and be cool to them having gone through the Holocaust" and "Israel might be Jewish land since its where Jesus and Bible stories were"You guys take some little thing have blown it up FUBAR and try to paint us like we are tools for evil and I hate it.
>>24444088The monad is outside of time and it is the unmoved mover; yahweh is not. It's clear you do not begin to know basic neo-Platonic thought let alone understand it. An impassible eternal god would never need to create a new covenant, ergo yahweh exists within time and is not eternal, merely possibly infinite.
>>24444066Not just this thread...Colossians 3:5 (KJV) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
>>24444092>keep trying to link Christianity to Judaism?jews... putting out lies, propaganda; jews want to be chosen, semitic, but they are really gog/magog... and will be exterminated.they are not semitic. they are not chosen.jesus,who was a prophet, telling about the end times we are in now; said it best:revelations 2:9and the evil-speaking of those saying themselves to be Jews, and are not, but [are] a synagogue of the Satan.
>>24444092You believe abraham made a covenant with yahweh since yeshua asserted he came fulfill this covenant. abraham was a schizophrenic baby mutilating near child murdering incestous goat fucking sand nigger (if he even existed) and your religion proclaims him to be the great father. It matters not who the real jews/hebrews/israelites or who really are now and what their believes are now. The old testament is repugnant and not European, ergo christianity is based upon shit.Btw did you know israEl comes from El back when the hebrews were polythestic and worshiped yahweh, el, baal, etc. I wonder how the Georgian fag chooses to resolve that.
>>24444096Elohim, which is in the first chapters of Genesis are the Trinity.
>>24444096>You believe abraham made a covenant with yahwehthe gods, chose abraham, his father was a temple priest...the most important part in the bible is genesis 22, when god/gabriel/baal ask abraham to sacrifice his son; ans alien in a ufo asked him to kill his son; he was going to; then another alien, michael said no, kill the ram/sheep instead. this is when the aliens said, stop killing your children for baal and molek, and other alien gods. and the start of civilizing man.the jews refused to obey. they must be exterminated. after they die, peace on earth will appear, cause only the jews thinking killing other for no reason; especially children, is entertaining.they are filith.
>>24444098>the most important part is schizo nonsenseReally sums up the whole christianity thing quite nicely. Kierkgaard is the only respectable christian for having the balls to admit it's bullshit.
>>24443818Fuck Christians who stand for nigger and ass fucking, who needs that? Jews and Moslems stand for money and violence fuck them, too. All three are shit religions, made to fuck up our lives, without their asshole God we would have no gays and trans retardations, far less wars and greed and hate. Thinking about, religions taught me hate.
>>24444096I'm sure you've read the first chapter : Genesis 1:1-4, 26 (KJV) In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.Let us make man in our image. Let us is not something you say alone. The Spirit of God hovered over the waters. These are the central characters in your Bible. God, the Father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit. Amen.
>>24443821nigga your on pol the fuck you gonna doyour time is worthless
>>24444096>I wonder how the Georgian fag chooses to resolve that.same as before.Numbers 25:1–3"And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab.""Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor..."Numbers 25:4–5Moses instructed:"Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before YHWH..."Moses then commands the judges:"Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baal-peor."
Demiurge as understood by Gnostics? Maybe. He just made a mess I guess he hopes is solved at the end of time. He made Adam, then Jacob and Esau, Jews and whites, Canaan, blacks, and then the Jews flooded whites with brown people. Somehow it is supposed to be solved. His solution then is to make Jewish generations paler using me I suppose in an attempt to return to Adam.
>>24444104https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24443818>Chatgpt talmudic post>300 repliesMan this place is deader than an indian after falling from a train
>>24443892>>Make an argument man.It's hard to defend something indefensible.I recently became aware that christjews actually believe it more because it's absurd!The idea that something is more true the more absurd it is, is to me inhuman. Christjews are more like dangerous thinking bugs.
>>24443818Nice AI copypasts but logically inconsistent. By your logic, germ theory is wrong because it evolved from 4 humors theory, which is wrong.
>>24444092>Mostly they were a country of peace.lmao, christians love what is happening there btw and so do you because this is what your bible instructs
>>24444103So Baal is a real god that's powerful and christianity is monolatry and not monotheistic. That breaks the Georgian's view.
>>24444109https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1Demiurge as understood by Gnostics? Maybe. He just made a mess I guess he hopes is solved at the end of time. He made Adam, then Jacob and Esau, Jews and whites, Canaan, blacks, and then the Jews flooded whites with brown people. Somehow it is supposed to be solved. His solution then is to make Jewish generations paler using me I suppose in an attempt to return to Adam.
>>24444052Christ shouldn't be any different than the rest of human kind and that also means no virgin birth. We're all one part divine and one part temporal. There is say "what is true of the one is true of all". Ex uno discnes omnis.
>>24444100>Fuck Christians who stand for nigger and ass fucking, who needs that?they are not christian; they're satanist; garbage. they take jesus' words and twist them so they can justify their behavior.we need to kill them along with the jews.fake bullshit is fake bullshit.
>>24443857I would drag my dick through a mile of cum just to pick the corn from her shit
>>24444108>by your logic>inserts own false logicGerm theory says 4 humors theory is and was always wrong. The new testament says the old testament was true at the time. Your comparison is false.
>>24444058I had a friend lay dead in a morgue for well over a week and come back from the dead. All this after he was pronounced utterly brain dead. That's a lot more time spent dead than Jesus with his three days of being dead. Guy's name btw: Steven Taylor.
>>24443933Unfortunately, nobody gets a benediction today. See you tomorrow.
>>24444110>So Baal is a real godhe us an alien, like other aliens; one of many gods; jesus was a man. the messiah is a man; man can not be a god; because god is not human. the gods, pick humans to do jobs on earth; like noah, moses, jesus, the messiah.the aliens have a plan for mankind.the best book i read; and love, which tells you everything; pre-bible is: "The Lost Book of Enki"another book, is "The wars of god and men"both by Sitchin
>>24443818wtf...
>>24444116Well, good news for you. Cletus redneck motherfuckers already vanished from my little American town. The fellas who drive big ass loud trucks? It happened to bad blacks before that many years ago, but all the Randy's went to Hellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24443842Haha the responses from all those fucking dorks you made mad kek
>>24444061>aussie bussy continues to mog on you
>>24444057Any evidence of that? Oh, wait you're christian, evidence isn't really your thing.
>>24444060>Platonism and Neo-platonic ideas in general are effectively neutral/agnostic to actual causality in time and instead rely on effectively pre-eminent non sentient patterns agnostic to time.and you say this is a problem because without telos we supposedly can't have knowledge, right? Can you elaborate further on that?
>>24444062>from potential to manifestation to actualization.Don't you mean from potency to act? Isn't "manifestation" a redundancy in your sense with actualization? Are you saying the same thing twice just to make it fit into a trinity concept? What even is the difference between "manifestation" and "actualization".
I'll give a benediction for a good psalm. I guess nobody wants it...That's okay.
>>24443818The first 5 books of the torah is literally the bible.Christianity, and all christcuckery is literally jewish worship. It is the controlled opposition that kikes use to make you think there's 2 sides when they're both jewish.Its not a new trick, they have played this game for literally thousands of years. Unfortunately there's still a huge number of evangelical retards who willingly submit to their jewish programming and so the problem isn't going away for a while yet
>>24443818Christianity in its current form was never legitimate. Honestly, the more I begin to understand both Judaism and its relationship to Christianity I see now that Christianity was one of many ways to enslave the goyim
>>24444063I like what William Walker Atkinson said about fellow travelers and some men having gone further down the path and helping each other and doing away with the master and student dynamic. We're all fallible men trying to figure things out and shouldn't be putting figures like Jesus or some guru on a pedestal.
>>24444128Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24444078>It comes from the world soul.What is the description of how the world soul unfolds into space and time. Also how is that physicists even consider that time can translate into space and vice versa. I still believe in that teaching in Lectures on Ancient Philosophy by Manly P. Hall that space is fundamental. Nothing can be added or taken from it, it doesn't turn into anything else, etc. it is not a thing but it's omnipresent etc. Space is divine and fundamental. If space can actually become something, can actually be derived from something, then I need to stop seeing space as divine.
>>24444130Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24444129>PedestalHow about cornerstones? After all, plenty of people want to break in to influencing others. And the state backed horror show isn't helping them.
>>24444110>So Baal is a real god tanother thing; baal, is an alien, and works for the other aliens; due to alien politics, he was allowed to control earth through the age of aries and pisces. he took over after sodom and Gomorrah were nuked by the aliens. After the messiah, Baal, will cede control of planet earth to the messiah and his kingship. the Jews work for baal, and do not want to leave. This is why they took over jerusalem and took israel; is to prevent the messiah from ever becoming king and establishing righteousness; normal human behavior. were people can live in peace having families and children; being part of their tribe and peoples.the current culture in the west, is Baalism... baal peor... lord of the anus. this is why lgbt such a big deal; he is also a Canaanite god; god of niggers, and why western leaders push niggers on whites in the west. Also, he refused to marry another alien, and married a woman instead; this is why in the west, women are put above men.so... all these garbage we live in; is because the people that rule us, worship an exterterestrial, who hates mankind, whites especially, and wants to defile us in every way possible.the new leadership coming in want people, mankind, to be civilized. normal. family/children/steady work, justice oriented.so... this is why the jews are fighting so hard...why they kill children.they think they can win; but ultimately, the aliens will eliminate them.
>>24444132Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24443839>This board is essentially a looney bin these days.>Hiroshimoot should just shut it down, it's not like there's much traffic anyways anymore.>Just the same demented spam and low IQ schizos always posting about their obsessions.QftIt's becoming quite despicable. Zero discussion. Just poop flinging. Sad.
>>24444069Isn't it far more reasonable to believe that God is a blind will like Arthur Schopenhauer would have it then some kind of "best of all possible worlds" like you seem to be preaching? In some sense I do believe the world is the best of all possible worlds but only because I don't think God can entertain other possibilities and I do believe God is bound by necessity and nature. God's nature dictates what happens just like man's nature dictates how man behaves.
>>24444135Knock it off you guys.
>>24444127>he first 5 books of the torah is literally the bible.yes. read these; live by the laws/rules given to moses; these are the base of civilization.if you do not live by these laws, you will be cursed.
>>24444135Hey! Knock it off!
>>24444131>If space can actually become somethingGoogle Casimir Effect. Particles emanate from the aether. >can actually be derived from somethingGoogle Cosmic Microwave Background. The aether is expanding. The world soul emanates the aether.
>>24444139I'm so sorry you can't touch bacon.
>>24444142or eat crab, shrimp, or other bugs in the sea.i don't mind though.my life is a lot better now.
>>24444072My sister did. I didn't. Also if your worldview requires isolationism and can't stand the test of conflict then it's probably garbage. Also my parents have always been incredibly awful and mean obese boomer hoarders who embody many vices and huge hypocrites so it's quite natural to not want to follow the religion they profess and yet clearly don't even understand and will never study.
>>24444139Alternatively, don't worship jews, and find your own morality in the world. Believe in it because it is right, and just, not because some jewish niggerchimp is going to set you on fire if you don't repeat their lies.I've seen jewish morality. No thanks.
>>24444074>distinction between essence, persons and energy/act.What is a person?
>>24444076You're making very loose associations and putting undue emphasis and meaning on them. I'm sorry to inform you but you have schizophrenia and as cool as it that can be in some respects, you should still try to overcome the negative aspects of it. The inability to properly evaluate what is strongly correlated or associated and what is a very weak association and to properly prioritize and structure your thoughts is not good. Look into nootropics and meditation to improve your cognition and take good care of your health and breath well.
>>24444145not saying you're wrong; but, just to clarify, moses wasn't a jew. jews are gog, and have their talmud.jews use to five books of the bible as a weapon; they know if they can get you to break the laws, then you are cursed, and they can defeat you without having to fight.this is why homosexuality is legal. because it is forbidden, death penalty... and for murder also death; but in the west they give murders parole.we live in a system totally corrupt, and run by satanist; and it will all come down. and be destroyed.i think we should all do our part and help with the destruction. i rather enjoy it.
>>24444085>you necessarily believe in naturalistic hard determinism and you also believe that your version of God is effectively a non-sentient pure act/pure thought.That's what I believe about God.
The fight against Jesus Christ from both Jews and the Christians was the ego deathI never found the love I deservedGratsAnd then of course in your ego trip you blame me once again and say, "we are all individuals", and that I hated myselfLaughableWhat a trip, brohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ysg7d1bjQ8&list=RD4Ysg7d1bjQ8&start_radio=1
>>24444087Can you explain to me why two parents that have done the whole accepting Christ thing and been forgiven can supposedly still create a condemned child? If sin can be inherited why can't grace also be inherited?
>>24444088>material realityOxymoron. Reality is the unchanging, eternal, absolute, etc. the manifestation is not reality. God is reality and we're in god's dream.
>>24444152https://voca.ro/1iGE3iJTprm3
>>24444147the word nazi comes from the word ashkeNAZI.Ashkenazi (or Ashkenaz) refers to the Jewish population descending from the medieval Jewish communities of Central and Eastern Europe. Hitler was a Jew; like Zelinski.his job was to kill whites, and help the jews steal the holy land so they could try to stop/kill the messiah and prevent god's plan for mankind.Genesis 102 `Sons of Japheth [are] Gomer [Gog], and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.3 And sons of Gomer [are] Ashkenaz, the word jew comes from the arab word Juj, the name of a tribe from the north, of two faced liars.In Islamic eschatology, Yajuj and Majuj (Gog and Magog) are two hostile, corrupt tribes of immense numbers. They are considered a major sign of the Day of Judgment. Their eventual release, ravaging of the earth, and subsequent divine destruction are foundational prophecies in Islamic tradition.https://youtu.be/ilsv0C1-aBw?si=p0Mp65LYmARAaICg
>>24444091>you can know the past and future, but you can not prevent it.I don't believe in Einstein's block universe so future events definitely can be prevented precisely by knowing them and then acting different.
>>24444155https://voca.ro/19b1dc1GBM1x
>>24444092Cucktianity is the cancerous mindset that has allowed the Jewish parasite to infect one host after another continuously for thousands of years now. Cucktianity is the doctrine of being weak, docile, and worshiping the foreigner. It's judaism but for the slaves of the jews.
>>24444151Grace is given for free and its a choice. Those who do not choice when informed properly and understand what they are actively refusing, a free gift from Christ to have him give his blood sacrifice for your sins. There are some dogmas about those who are unaware of the choice (young children, profoundly uneducated, stupid or illiterates in the boonies, etc.) where they are not condemned or God-damned for refusal when they are not informed. But in general, why keeps a fellow or a guy from taking the free gift.Consider saying:..God, I come to You acknowledging that I have sinned and fallen short of Your will. I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and rose again. I place my trust in Him as my Savior and Lord. Please forgive me, make me new, and fill me with Your Holy Spirit. Help me turn away from sin and follow Christ faithfully. Begin and continue Your work of transformation in me. Shape my heart, mind, and actions to become more like Jesus. I surrender my life to You and receive Your grace with gratitude. In Jesus' name, amen."If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."..Now that's an invitation to have the holy spirit transform - what is there to lose?Those, such as the God damned "jews", the synagogue of satan, demons, evil and edomites, khazars and ashkenazis, etc, who know full well about Jesus Christ and yet refuse the free gift, well, they are damned and bound by the old covenant and blood curses.
>>24444154hey jew boy... you can read about your future here:Ezekiel 39:11And it hath come to pass, in that day, I give to Gog a place there -- a grave in Israel, the valley of those passing by, east of the sea, and it is stopping those passing by, and they have buried there Gog, and all his multitude, and have cried, O valley of the multitude of Gog!https://youtu.be/8NF6Qa84mno?si=7rLPjnFKNHcTn5p6
>>24444108Thing about older theories of the elements and four humors theories is they weren't really wrong they were just not precise. Our precision is improving and our vocabulary also allows us to have higher precision over time.An example I'm far more familiar with is Darwinism. It's wrong on some things, right about some things, and later theorists have built far better theories of evolution that account for the things Darwin couldn't account for properly.Religions can be viewed like that too. Not wrong about everything but definitely a lot. Just outdated. The latest refinement to all religions is Hermeticism which is far closer to the actual truth.
>>24444158No, I see through your sophistry bro. You were a part of the entire scheme all along to keep me hidden to make some horrible nightmare that the entire world went through. There was never any purpose to your work.Material work is that of the Demiurge. Spiritual work such as changing "timelines" or sending humans to Hell is a completely different work. Outside of Kansas and the few surrounding states, there is no salvation. Outside are the dogs.It's more than a nightmare. It's like so many groups with self-invested interests have twisted reality using the internet that they have created a twisted nightmare. There is never any end to the strife and chaos, and the Orange Man just makes everything worse, but Jews suck his fucking carrot
>>24444161>>536309018This is a simulation. Jesus might be a guy who wants to help us away from the demiurge. Who knows. If Jesus is here to steer us out of the mess, I accept the help.But in all versions of whatever story - the jews are vile demonic evil creatures / dark forces and must be utterly destroyed to the last.
>>24444182https://voca.ro/1fiWg9bz6571
Fuck the mods we better make 10 more religion threads after this just to piss off the jannies.
>off-topic porno thread moved to another board after 100 gorillion replies reply limit>>24444205they don't mind, retardanti-narrative effortposts on /pol/ are met with 5 minute deletions & 2 week bansthey work hard to LOOK like they hate threads like this, while also keeping atleast 5 on the board at any given time
