Why do Atheists act like there is innate good in humans when humans are driven by greed, desire to breed, hunger, and power by their nature in every culture and every race?Why is the concept of needing a higher concept like God necessary to raise above our base nature so difficult for them to understand when we are clearly beasts of biologically inclined selfishness
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>>24459318What glows? Its a realass question about human nature and atheists
It's not that religion necessarily makes you a good person, it's just that the only people who fantasize about "abolishing" it or try to convert you to atheism are bad people.>Vice-crazy hedonistic nihilists who want to extort something from you that your religion prohibits>Insufferably smug reddit atheists who get off on it because it makes them feel smart>Political extremists who believe they (or the people they've based their shitty personality around) should be worshipped instead of a god>Corpos who want to abolish it because it gets in the way of their profits, and because atheists are easier to divide. You're seeing this play out right now, rises in mental illness, atomization, and atheism in addition to coinciding with each other also coincide with the biggest upward wealth transfer in historyThe only time trying to convert someone to atheism is altruistic is if the target is trapped in some insane abusive sex cult, but there's only like 10,000 people in the country that applies to at the absolute most. You'll likely never meet someone in such a situation in your life.
>>24459687but yet atheists act like their worldview will produce good people
>>24459311that doesn't mean you should revel in evil, retard. that pic is stupid
>>24460108Its a matter of knowing deep down we are evil. We do need God to make us good people, because our inherit nature is evil.Atheists think its bad to need something to not be evil. We just realize how violent, cruel, selfish, and greedy we and don't have delusions of everyone being good people without something beyond our base humanity.
>>24460224we are predisposed to evil but we aren't evil if we can resist it
>>24460243We need God to that. We can't by our own nature. We need a higher source for such a thing.
Humans are naturally altruistic, we wouldn't have society otherwise. The issue is our system selects for sociopaths to be in power so it looks worse than it. This issue is aggravated by religion, having the masses believe your evil, self interested decisions are actually the will of god makes it easier to get away with it.
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>>24459311>Why do Atheists act like there is innate good in humansThere is.>when humans are driven by greed, desire to breed, hunger, and power by their nature in every culture and every race?Not always.Honestly, why do Christians hate humanity just as much as vegans do?>Why is the concept of needing a higher concept like God necessary to raise above our base nature so difficult for them to understand when we are clearly beasts of biologically inclined selfishnessHow come some atheists are scientists then? Science isn't "base" hedonism. It's higher intelligence.You are also ignoring the fact that religious people have been cruel all throughout history. Ever read about Vlad the Impaler?
>>24460224>Its a matter of knowing deep down we are evil.Since when does religion make people more good? Most of the Christians here on 4chan are either Nazis or Donald Trump supporters.
Honestly, it's weird how so many religious people lash out at humanity itself when humanity invented everything, including the computer that you are using right now. Again, the anti-human hate in religion and the anti-human hate in veganism are oddly similar. Some hard green environmentalists hate humanity too. Lots of extremists hate humanity.Personally, I love humanity because we are the highest form of intelligence in existence and because we invented everything. I'm proud to be human!
>>24459311Well I am not an atheist but I believe in innate good in man because thousands of years of history and cultures that were separated by time, space, culture, language, technology and otherwise all came to the same conclusions when it comes to morality.Because morality is objective. It is discovered. Not dictated. Believe it or not, people lived totally moral lives for thousands of years before Jesus came along. I know that's hard to believe, but it's true. It's factual. Objectively.Anything else big guy?
>>24460869There is not inherent anti-humqn hate in religion, you are also a dogmatic individual. Many people worship science as if it has definitely answered all the questions of the universe.1. it hasn't2. There is no destination and learning and discovery is an unending and transcendental processI suggest you study more religious belief before you go tossing around bullshit like that because it is objectively false.
>>24460895>Many people worship science as if it has definitely answered all the questions of the universe.Nobody worships science. We just understand that evolution makes more sense than talking snakes.>I suggest you study more religious beliefReligion was rammed down my throat relentlessly when I was a kid. I know what I'm talking about. I was force-fed that shit as a kid.
The way I see it, religious people are just another group of people who are trying to boss me around. It's kinda like the vegans who tell me what I can and can't eat or the feminists who create a shit-ton of rules about what I can and can't enjoy.I do whatever I want. All the people who boss me around are all the same to me.
>>24459311It's all cope by atheists. They want to try and claim humans are naturally good and it was religion that corrupted and turned people bad. That is why they worship literal third world savages who rape and kill, they claim it was just white people who made them that way because of nature vs nurture argument. The real fucked up part is that religion or not denying God is denying yourself. That is why so many atheists are miserable and angry all the time. >>24460669Wrong, humans are naturally selfish but are willing to give some leeway with being "good" if it's a group they like and they are already well off because by helping the group the expectation is that we get something back in return eventually. >>24460869Just wait until you realize this anti-humanity shit is just anti-white propaganda. They never apply "anti-human" stuff to other races.
>>24459311"Good" is a social construct based on culture, culture is based on genetics, what makes us humans, and our environment. Ignoring the environment part, if it has some basis on our genetics then it means part of what we call "good" is innate. E.g: We find babies cute, so harming them is usually seen as bad.
>>24460691Where and when has there ever been any humans that have ever been innately good without it being driven by God, reward, or fear of repercussions?You can give a human more abundance in food and comfort than they could ever wants and they still, ALWAYS want more and are depraved. There is no moral billionaire. >>24460701Most Christians want to be Job, not Christ. They want to follow all the rules, be rewarded for following all the rules, and revel in their pride of how they are for following all the rules. But that is not Good. That is transactional of blessing and fearful of curses. If there are any true followers of christ, they would strive to be like him rather than like job.Unconditionally Loving and Intentional.
>>24461066>Where and when has there ever been any humans that have ever been innately good without it being driven by God, reward, or fear of repercussions?>when are humans good when you take away every single incentive to be good retard
>>24461066>Where and when has there ever been any humans that have ever been innately good without it being driven by God, reward, or fear of repercussions?You can give a human more abundance in food and comfort than they could ever wants and they still, ALWAYS want more and are depraved. There is no moral billionaire.... and you honestly think that creating a theocracy would make things any better?Do you know how many people have been killed by theocracy throughout history?>Most Christians want to be Job, not Christ. They want to follow all the rules, be rewarded for following all the rules, and revel in their pride of how they are for following all the rules. But that is not Good. That is transactional of blessing and fearful of curses.If there are any true followers of christ, they would strive to be like him rather than like job.>Unconditionally Loving and Intentional.Love doesn't come from religion. It just comes from humanity.
>>24461124So you admit humans are innately evil. We have to be coaxed into being good otherwise our lesser animal nature will drive us to depravity, and the second humans don't have to follow those incentives (becoming rich enough to flaunt the rules) we immediately become depraved again.
>>24459311The Atheistic view consider the whole human being the good and the bad. Both are inately present.
I'm on the autism spectrum. The vast majority of people who think "Autism is a choice!" are religious. It's always been the atheists who accept me as I am.
>>24461137>TheocracyWho said anything about theocracy or government or creating a power structure. Humans can never have power structures until we address the elephant in the room that WE ARE EVIL. If that isn't etched into every human as a hedge against our lesser natures. Humans need God because without that to strive for, we are left to our depravity.>Love doesn't come from religion. It just comes from humanity.There is a difference between Agape and animalistic hormone driven "love." If you're too much a brainlet to know the difference between the drive a mother gets from prolactin to care for her children and truly loving them without those hormones and material conditions making it easy, you can't be helped.>>24461151What is innately good about humans? Leave us to rot in squalor and we're depraved. Give us all the riches in the world we are depraved. >>24461153nobody cares about your personal life or what zealots and Job-wannabes want. Religious is not christ-like. To be christ-like, you must submit that you are evil at your innate root. And humans have proven this in every possible case.
>>24461166>To be christ-like, you must submit that you are evil at your innate root.This reminds me of the leftists who think "All white men are sexist and racist because they have subconscious prejudices."You are trying to make yourself sound like a unique special snowflake, but you are just the right-wing equivalent of an anti-white, anti-male SJW.>"And humans have proven this in every possible case."Again, you sound exactly like the vegans who say "Humans are evil!" and the leftists who say "White men are evil at heart!"Just fuck off and let me enjoy life. ALL of you.
>>24461239>white, male, raceAll these social constructs are downstream of innate human evil. If you can't acknowledge that you are purely acting in reaction to consequences, rewards, and fear, you can never start your first thought beyond it. And it begins with knowing yourself.If you can't address your evil, how can you ever truly know real, actual, non-transactional, intentional good?As we are, we are merely reacting to hormones, punishments/rewards from power structures filled to the brim with depraved humans who wouldn't even consider themselves evil in the slightest. And this has been the history of man for all of our existence.Humility is necessary to grow spiritually. And our pride and our inability to acknowledge our innate evil blinds us from ever seeing past it. We will at best just curry rewards and avoid punishments until we are no longer transactional for abundance, and then return to cruelty and depravity because we have ours.
>>24461271Stop projecting your own evil nature onto others.
>>24460691>Science isn't "base" hedonism. It's higher intelligence.LMAONOIt fucking isn't.Do you know how many studies get discredited every year?Are you even aware of the reproducibility crisis in every science field atm?modern science ABSOLUTELY is base soulless sold out hedonism.Fucking dumb nigger.
>>24461014>Just wait until you realize this anti-humanity shit is just antiwhite propaganda.1. corrected. it's just one word, no space no hyphen.2. absolutely correct. It's driven by antiwhite dogma.Which is why we need White wellbeing to heal our education, religious, and governmental systems.
>>24461278Its not projection, its in our DNA and it is proven every day by the violent and desperate poor and the depraved rich.Slaves and Kings have always been this way for all time. We all must address our evil if we want to be open to actual good.Humble yourself, in humility you will find it. That is the beautiful picture of Christ, an omnipotent, omniscient being that purposely humbled himself to torture and death because he loved you unconditionally and intentionally.What human could be born knowing that fate, much less a God? It is that love that we all must seek. And we can not conceive of that love while blinded by our pride in being "good" when we are actually transactional, reactionary, hormonal, and depraved at our root.
>>24460701>cucknadian>is disgustingly antiwhiteWoahGeeShock.>>24460905>Nobody worships science.>and now he openl;y fucking liesLMAOchild.You should start by purging the antiwhiteism in your mind before you try to handle big boy topics cuckie.Or just sign up for MAID. They'll fast track you since your White, and your treasonous government wants total White erasure.
>>24461315>Which is why we need White wellbeing to heal our education, religious, and governmental systems.White wellbeing? You mean like Johnny Rebel songs?Okay dude. Just don't start hanging black people from trees. Okay bud?
>>24459404>What glows?the shit you see above i didn't read it but that's what it would've led tob
>>24461337>is disgustingly antiwhiteCalm down you cunt. I don't hate white people. I just hate fat fucking American hillbillies.
LOL This is now ANOTHER thread full of Nazi screaming. Good entertainment.
>>24461383Hate is a contemptable thing to have for anyone anon. You can pray for those you wish to be better, but to curse any human is rooted in that vile evil innate to us.
>>24461166>What is innately good about humans?Well if atheists are right everything good any human has ever done is because they are human not because of God. If atheists are right humans created the concept of God and goodness and hold it as some of our highest ideals.
Remind me again: how much evil has been done in the name of atheism compared to the amount of evil that has been done in the name of religion?Yeah, that's what I thought.
>>24459311>Why do Atheists act like there is innate good in humans?we don't>Why is the concept of needing a higher concept like God necessary to raise above our base nature so difficult for them to understand?Did you know that most humans can't do multi digit mental math? Multi digit math is 'difficult', but someone dedicated can do it, now imagine if someone said to you "you aren't doing multi digit math because you aren't using your fingers, humans are dumb, humans are bad at math, you can't be doing math because your aren't using your fingers". That's what you're doing, the same way if you're mentally retarded math is hard to do without your fingers, if you're morally retarded being a good person is hard without religion or something like it. Yes not all athiests are good people, but your whole argument is based on you insisting that a pretty inconsistent sweeping generalization is strictly true. Which it's not, this perspective either comes from you personally being morally retarded or looking down on others as less than you, I don't know or care which, but the latter is a sin in your religion if I remember correctly.
>>24461804>if you're morally retarded being a good person is hard without religion or something like itHave you ever noticed that the most outwardly puritanical people are always the most degenerate perverts? Have you ever noticed that every "tradpilled Christian puritan" LARPer chud retard is everything that they accuse their opponents of being? Have you ever noticed that religious conservatives get busted for pedophilia and other sexual misconduct more than anyone else by far?This is the exact same deal.
>>24461855people who go to extremes are more prone to extreme behavior, more at 6
Ok but can we agree that pisslam is the worst of all?
