>>24509320
Question to all Christians.

How many Gods died on the cross?

>>24509320
I pray to the Father. I don't know if it's "wrong" to pray to Jesus.
>>24509321
Kike

I don't worship jews

>>24509320
Of course. Christ is going to liberate me from my witch mother soon.

>>24509322
How many Gods died on the cross? Refusing to answer is a concession.

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I can't wait until everyone recognizes the ONE True God of Israel in minecraft and then it's Chainsaw Time (not in minecraft)

>>24509320
>praying to a dead jew who spat on non-jews
absutely fucking not.

>>24509325
How many Gods rained fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, metzitzah bpeh kike?

He is a smaller entity in my pantheon, i don't pray to him but i sometimes swear by his name on the internet
>jesuss fucking crist

For example

>>24509325
None.
What are you getting at I dont understand.

I just want to kill women with various blunt implements, I finally understand now why they used stones

>>24509320
no, because i'm white

>>24509328
>Refusing to answer
Concession accepted.

>>24509330
So the bible lied then. Good to know.

Dear Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me a sinner. Forgive me Lord. Thank you most loving God for all the opportunities and experiences, for the triumphs and failures. Thank you for all the family and friends you have placed in my life. Forgive me my fear Lord. I'm scared of the world. I'm scared of my fellow man. I'm scared of action and my inaction. Forgive me my pride that enables my fear lord, that pride that blinds me to your work and taints my faith. Dear Lord help me to love you more than I love sin. Help me to love my fellow man and to remove the poison of greed and fear from my heart. Dear God, I am a bad son and I am unworthy of your grace, but I wholeheartedly accept your grace and thank you that you love me. Dear God I love you. Lord if it be your will, empower my hands to help my fellow man.

>>24509320
I don’t pray at all in the conventional sense. Seems contrived. I just live my life as honestly as I can and periodically express gratitude for the experience. What would I say to Jesus that needs to be said when his life and death said it all? Anyways, the demiurge rules this world, it is what it is.

>>24509320
only weak people are religious

Free will was a mistake. If God cared He would do something about this shit world

>>24509336
I'm weak.

>>24509333
The Bible explicitly describes it as the Death of the Son of God.

>>24509320
No, I find the idea of salvation achieved through a human sacrifice of an innocent person morally reprehensible

If somebody goes to jail for you, you're still guilty

>>24509339
Jesus is the Son of God. The bible claims he was crucified and died on the cross. The bible also claims Jesus is God. So if you say zero Gods died on the cross, you're denying Jesus' divinity.

>>24509340
Jesus Christ's death bound the "strong man" (satan). He willingly gave Himself to do this, and conquered and triumphed over evil for our sake.

>>24509341
Kike

>>24509341
Careful, you'll upset the Catholics. They believe Jesus IS God. He's both the son and the father.
>>24509342
You explain to me how one person undergoing a painful execution somehow balances the scales of morality for all mankind. I'll wait. You do realize that every single day people day in far more agony and worse ways than Christ did, right?
What, it's special because he was God?

>>24509343
Yes, Jesus was a jew. Your point?

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If god is real then explain this.

>>24509320
he ignored me

>>24509346
He has a sense of humor

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>>24509334
Amen.

Dear Lord, thank you for this day and everything you have given us. Forgive me of my sin and grant me grace of your altar. You have lifted the yoke of sin and death from me as I bow in humble wonder of your glory. Bless those who turn away from your love in hopes of there redemption and keep strong the faith of Us, your eternal servants.

there are "people" here who pray to a magical dead jew because a book written by jews told them to

>>24509341
>Jesus is the Son of God. The bible claims he was crucified and died on the cross.
Correct
I am not sure whats confusing to you.
Sounds like you are mixing different interpretations together.

>>24509344
Again: He bound Satan. Because He was sinless, Satan violated God's holy decree, thus freeing mankind.

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>>24509320
I don't.

>>24509351
So how many Gods died on the cross? You admit Jesus is God.

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>>24509320
I am Christ, as are all unvaxxed men in touch with nature.
It means anointed one, remember. Especially chosen.
The gods are with us, and we are with them.
>but that's not very Christian of you
Luke 9. Whole chapter.

>>24509320
I pray to the universe and any god it might have. I do understand the concept of Christ though. God is too unknowable for humans to contemplate in our current state so Jesus is the kinda universal translator device we use instead, it all makes sense but can't say I pray to Christ. Michael sometimes though.

>>24509320
>praying to a jew
humiliation ritual

>>24509349
>ooh I'm so wretched please forgive me for existing I didn't mean to exist I'm just so pitiful please grant me boons that I do not deserve and take pity on how fucking pathetic I am because I'm kneeling SUPER HARD for you
do you realize how insane you sound '

Honestly, with you Christians I can't help but wonder - what the fuck did you do, man? What are you so guilty about? What kind of diabolical shit did you engage in that you feel the need to grovel like this for the rest of your life at the altar of your own conscience?

>>24509320

YESHUA WAS A CHILD MOLESTER

>>24509354
>You admit Jesus is God.

>Jesus is the Son of God. The bible claims he was crucified and died on the cross.

It appears you have issues with reading comprehension. I never said Jesus was God. Some Christians interpret the bible this way. The bible explicitly states, however, that the Son of God died on the Cross.

>>24509352
>I'm saved my a sinless man being tortured and executed
>As long as I believe that he did it for me, I'm absolved of my sins
That doesn't make any sense
That's selfish
You should actually feel bad about believing that

>>24509320
No
I pray to god
Jesus is cool though and swag and a chill guy with good ideas

>>24509358
>what the fuck did you do, man? What are you so guilty about?
Being your brothers and having failed to lead you to a path to the light.

>>24509358
A TALKING SNAKE TRICKED A WOMAN WHO WAS MADE FROM A GUY'S RIB INTO EATING A FRUIT AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE ALL EVIL AND HAVE THE SIN NATURE! (The all-knowing, all-powerful heavenly Father didn't prevent the snake from entering the garden btw)

>>24509361
Kike, youre doomed. Repent. Dont be a fool.

>>24509320
how many people prayed for god to cure cancer?

>>24509320
Its too cringe for me. Same with meditating. Just dumb

>>24509366
God made cancer though

>>24509363
That's an on-going process though. You can't suffer existential guilt to the point that you feel the need for ultimate salvation just because you failed to help or support your fellow man.
You are just whipping yourself, and at certain piont it becomes annoyingly performative.
>>24509364
Hey cool your jets, if there's one thing the Bible is right about it's that Women are the original villain.

>>24509320
no I dont waste my time praying to a brown shitskin manlet subhuman from the middle east.

>>24509365
Yes, we know Jesus is a jew. I don't know why you think that's a big revelation.

>>24509365
>wanting to take your own punishment makes you a kike
I'm just not big into human sacrifice dude I don't know what to tell you
My original point stands, if somebody takes your punishment for you you're still guilty
The fact that it's God himself doing it for you should just make you feel worse honestly

>>24509330
He’s most likely a Muslim. They don’t understand trinity or that Jesus has given his life freely for the sins of mankind.

>>24509369
>That's an on-going process though
Correct
>You can't suffer existential guilt to the point that you feel the need for ultimate salvation just because you failed to help or support your fellow man.
I can if it is the standard of conduct that I adher to.
>at certain piont it becomes annoyingly performative.
Perhaps you spend a lot of time with performers. Millions of Christians bear sin and suffering in silence.

>>24509320
No I'm not jewish.

>>24509373
>He’s most likely a Muslim.
He is, in fact, least likely a Muslim.

>>24509373
It's true that Muslims cannot understand the idea of the trinity. It's a hard IQ gate for them
>how can 3 be 1
and you ask them "are you doubting that God is omnipotent?"
and they say
>yeah but how can the father also be the son that doesn't make sense

>>24509358
>what the fuck did you do, man? What are you so guilty about?
I don't think there's much point to engaging with you on this, but I'll lay my case out. I am human, that's enough. We all are corrupted and become more corrupt with each generation. I am no robber, murderer, scammer, or criminal and yet I am just as bad because I see the example that Jesus set and still struggle with loving my fellow man. I still willingly make decisions that separate me from God, and I disappoint myself daily. This isn't begging for forgiveness for crimes I've done, but grief that I will never love God as I should. I am neglectful and shortsighted and I am sad that I have such a loving father that I willingly hurt and stray away from every day. If you don't get it, then you don't get it.

>>24509320
Jesus never existed. It’s a myth. GROW UP DUMBASS.

>>24509373
Not a Muslim. Allah eats my shit and Pedohammad got raped by the Al-Zutt.
It's funny tho, no Christian can ever answer how many Gods died on the cross. They just dodge the question and run away from it (even though the bible commands you to defend your faith)

>>24509320
I pray to God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and I praise and thank the Lord Jesus Christ who has victory over sin and death. But, it is through Jesus that Christians pray to the Father. As the King of All Kings and Lord or All Lords is also the only Mediator between God and man.

>>24509377
the real trinity is brown-jewish-middle eastern.
All the things worshipped by the american mind

>>24509324
No. They use guiltcraft and manipulation. You're trapped with her until the end like Tony Soprano.

>>24509373
Most likely? The facts that he is on /pol/, fpwp'ing a Christian thread, and repeatedly trying to emphasize that Jesus was a Jew indicates to me that he's most likely a kike.

>>24509374
>Millions of Christians bear sin and suffering in silence.
There's no reason to do this
> I am human, that's enough. We all are corrupted and become more corrupt with each generation.
Then why even have children?
You can't actually believe this, that we're just inherently flawed and doomed and our only destiny is eternal grief until we just give up and "love the father"
That's absurd, that's like something a crazy person who hates themself would think of

>>24509377
Are Jesus and the Father one?
So was the Father also dying on the cross with him?
Christians claim they only worship one God, so this question stuns them.

>>24509384
jesus is a jew though. A rabbi even. He commanded his followers to study the torah. He is literally as jewish as it gets

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>>24509386
This might help
It's a pretty simple concept

>>24509320
No. Lol. Imagine subscribing to a religion that tells you all you need to do to get into heaven is to "say with your mouth" that you believe in jesus, etc. Oh and threaten you that if you don't do that, you can be the best saint on earth and you still wont get in to heaven.

Christcucks are nothing but larping faggots. The American ones at least. Catholics at least believe in merit based heaven. Most American Christians are mentally retarded faggots that can't think for themselves, so they let a jew do it for them. Oh and then they mutilate their children with the snipping.

>>24509387
But the kike, and all others who repeat that, dont draw a distinction between modern "Jews" and Jesus. Revelation 2:9, 3:9, Romans 2:28-29, they will give a hipocket heretic interpretation of those verses or they'll ignore them entirely.

>>24509387
Yes, because Christianity didn't exist prior to Christ. That's obvious.
He was born into Judaism and practiced it, but the prophecies were fulfilled in him. Thus by Succession Theology, being "Jewish" ceased to exist. The new Chosen People were the Christians.
He was ethnically and religiously Jewish right up until the point where he created Christianity, which overwrote that previous theology.

>>24509391
Most serious Christians for 2000 years have taught that Christianity is 6000 years old. Shut up about things you dont know, kike

I'm taking a Bible course because truly interested, but im more of an diest/gnostic than anything else. There's is so much courtroom level pilpul as to God, Jesus, and their reasons/context of divinity. Pretty interesting stuff, but it comes off bretty sus because there is a clear motive for NT authors to ret-con their whole narrative in order to (((coincidentally))) align with all the OT nonsense

I accept Jesus is divine, just not sure about the desert mystic religion behind it.

>>24509389
>a religion that tells you all you need to do to get into heaven is to "say with your mouth" that you believe in jesus
That's Protestant nonsense. The only legitimate Christians are Catholics and they believe that faith has to be maintained through works.

>>24509344
>They believe Jesus IS God. He's both the son and the father.
not even a Cath and i know this is wrong, as per thousands of years of uniform trinitarian Christian doctrine across Cath, Ortho and Prot
Jesus Christ is one with the Father
Jesus Christ is called Everlasting Father
Jesus Christ was with the Father before all the world began
nevertheless, the Father is not the Son, that's modalism and heresy.
>it is the glory of God to conceal a matter
>it is the glory of kings to search it out
be kingly, and don't scoff at notions that are not diluted into a single meme.

>>24509385
>There's no reason to do this
You literally just said anything but doing this borders on performative.
>You can't actually believe this, that we're just inherently flawed
Every single day I am reaffirmed that this is very true.

>>24509392
Only hardline protestants believe that the Earth is literally 6000 years old

>>24509388
You're still not answering the question. Give me a number. How many Gods died on the cross?
If you say zero, you deny Jesus' divinity.
If you say one, you're implying that the Father somehow died even though only the Son did.
If you say the Father didn't die, but the Son did, then they are not "one", you worship 3 Gods.

>>24509385
That's one of the neat things. Your father loves you enough to let you decide how to live your life. You're on to something here, but there's some nuance to it. Not everyone is cut out for a monastic life, but those that do are blessed. Personally I believe that life and this world is still a gift. To exist is a gift, even if we are corrupt. I am a father, and I fear for my son every day. But I am glad that he gets to have happiness in this corrupt life. That he has the opportunity to experience the love God has for him. Just because we are dirty doesn't mean we shouldn't exist. This life is still a gift, and I genuinely believe one of the best things we can do is live a fulfilling and happy life in the world God has created, but we contend with our fallen nature and must work against that fallen nature that wants to pervert God's creation. Life is still good even if we are fallen, in fact life is so good that God has given us grace so we can still be with God in such a wonderful world that we can be distracted by.

>>24509397
Again: stop speaking about things you dont know, kikel

>>24509325
>refusing to engage with my pilpul is a concession to my pilpul

>>24509400
>insulting someone as a jew
>in a thread about jesus
ah yes, the christian values

>>24509401
I accept your concession.

>>24509398
A man died on the cross. Lots of men did. None of them were God.

>>24509385
>Then why even have children?
Because God said to be fruitful, and the temptation of Christ (40 days in the wilderness) is also a metaphor that God wants his creations not only just to exist but to be confronted by sin and its temptations in the hopes that people choose holiness over it

>>24509402
>implying Jesus is a kike
>implying kike means Jew
Read a book.

>>24509400
Do you think if you use a nazi memeflag and keep saying kike you'll fit in better? You're not actually engaging with any of my arguments.

>>24509407
You're a kike.

>>24509377
It really is an IQ gate. They have no concept of their Allah or his power. They cannot comprehend that god can be 3 in one or in millions. Because their god is Satan which is bound to one form.
>durr god has the power to be 3 separately and one in the same time?!

>>24509327
>Praying for a jew who decided to spare a whore the proper stoning she deserves
No wonder timmy love jews and jesus so much, gotta simp!

I pray to my neighbor of a God

>>24509405
>a single line about repopulating the planet
>"WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE BABIES FOREVER"
really dude
You acknowledge this is a fallen word, and that by creating a new soul you are 99.99% condemning it to hell, and you're like
>hey man god said be fruitful
That's just irresponsible, that's actually cruelty

>>24509406
>Read a book.
where in the bible did it say to call everyone I dislike names?

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>>24509320
>You do pray to Christ, don't you anon?
KEKAROO
Nah Buddha got all the cool shits

>>24509408
You're a fed

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>>24509404
So this part of the image you posted is lying?

>>24509413
Why are you even replying to my posts?why are you telling me to stop calling people who deny the Cross kikes?

>>24509397
after all the mainstream lies from supposed scientific and government authorities about existential matters: evolutionary biology, "fossil" records, sars-cov-2, Iraq WMD and 9-11 and E-TEAM, troon children and multiracialism, and basically every judeomasonic initiative since 1905 is all known lies that more people than ever doubt the moon landing, and it follows that the modern cosmology is also a farce.

>>24509414
Buddha never asked for prayers or advocated for anything like that
Pretty sure his last words were along the lines of "figure it out yourselves"

>>24509416
I'm not Catholic, I don't believe in the Trinity. I was just explaining what it is.

>>24509417
>why are you telling me to stop calling people who deny the Cross kikes?
read the book

>>24509421
I think I'm gonna keep calling them kikes. Synagogue of Satan is also an option. Problem?

>>24509420
I'm actually secretly a Trinitarian though, so fuck you still.

Sand nigger fairy tales

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Pretty sure being a /pol/cel is contrary to the teachings of Christ.

>>24509423
That's fine. You might be right. You're probably still going to hell anyway, according to your own theology. Good luck lil nigga
I'm just not interested in spending my entire life feeling guilty for existing

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>>24509425
It isn't though
The one thing Christians have right is that the most wretched can become the most blessed
terminally online incels become hardcore catholics is actually something you should have anticipated

I did when I was a kid and he didn’t protect me from being molested, because he’s not real. As an adult with a family of my own I don’t pass on silly bronze age kikelore to my children.

>>24509400
drop the memeflag Moshe

>>24509417
If you showed your real flag it would be Israel

>>24509422
something something jesus commands his disciples to ask questions and to treat them with understanding and forgiveness

you are just as bad as the pahresees

>>24509408
>>24509415
Digits say both are right, wild

>>24509321
One. His name is Spartakus

>>24509433
to be fair he got more digits than me so I must be a kike
I don't make the rules

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>>24509320
I pray Hercules

>>24509412
>really dude
>You acknowledge this is a fallen word, and that by creating a new soul you are 99.99% condemning it to hell, and you're like
I think you're projecting about the latter point. The faithful believe they can and will bring forth successful, loving children, the unfaithful believe they can't and won't. Its almost as if it's a self fulfilling prophecy

On an purely objective naturalistic standpoint, your talking point is weak, impotent, and dysgenic.

Ye of little spiritual faith or bodily competency, pick your poison.

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>>24509320
everyday of course, i mean look how great Germany and Europe are and how great they will be in 2 decades, paradise on Earth

>>24509437
>The faithful believe they can and will bring forth successful, loving children
That's crazy because I look around me and all I see are sinners and fallen people who, at the very best, are TRYING to be better. Almost all of them fail and will be going to hell.
Do you disagree?

>>24509432
>something something
Yeah, sounds like real reverence for the Word of God.

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>>24509385
Almost as if

>>24509436
Based swole/tiny pecker anon

>>24509369
>if I pretend to hate women than I’ll blend ina ms they’ll do what I want

>>24509378
>I can't live without the connection to the Jewish foreskin god
Get help

>>24509428
But part of becomes ng a "hardcore catholic" would be leaving the sinful parts of your life behind.

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>>24509320
i don't need any more jews attempting to influence my life, thanks. there are already way too many that are actually alive for me to be concerned about, i don't give a shit about Golgotha George Floyd.

>>24509442
Completely wrong. Professor Doof.

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>>24509425
You’re supposed to hide your disdain for the community you are trying to astroturf, dumb memeflag.

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>>24509406
>Lemme tell you how you can use the slur, goy
Fuck off, memeflaggot kike

>>24509421
People who deny the cross are generally kikes, or kike adjacent (ie judeo-atheists). Thems just the facts
>>24509397
>hardline protestants believe that the Earth is literally 6000 years old
Not necessarily, but not disprovable. As a programmer I can hit play on my reality simulation with whatever starting conditions I choose. Why wouldn't God be able to do that also? It plainly says in Genesis that Adam was given a mature Earth to live in, at the same time it says it took 6 days of work from God. 6 days to a mature Earth and genealogy timelines that reach about 6000 years. A miracle. Why is creating the entire universe with His voice not also something you're angry about?

>>24509442
I dislike Nietzsche's vitriol but he's directionally correct. Just look around you and you should have realized by the time you were 5 years old that nature is cruel and unusual. What, you neer saw a rabbit get eaten by a coyote? Where's God in that equation?
>>24509444
I have earned the right to hate women
>>24509446
None of them do though. They live in sin, then repent, and rinse and repeat. Catholics are competing for the spot of top hypocrites if it wasn't for Mormons.

>>24509441
Why are you against calling Jesus a Jew? Jesus was a Jew.

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>>24509385
>stop having children, goy.

>>24509448
Completely right, mutt

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>>24509373
>They don’t understand trinity or that Jesus has given his life freely for the sins of mankind.
But the jews are saved anyway even though they literally killed Jesus according to your lore
And the jews are the chosen people of 1 god, even though they literally reject your trinity and Jesus. Do they not understand it?
They gave you the scapegoat ritual that you use on Yeshu

>>24509452
>reading comprehension

>>24509320
Answer this question. Would you prefer your country to be 100% white and 0% christian, or 100% christian and 0% white?

>>24509451
Look you're clearly a smart guy so I'm just going to cut right to it and say that the Earth/Universe is obviously much older than 6,000 years and you fucking know that.
>but what if it was magic
no

>>24509453
This was already explained to you the first time you asked. Are you playing stupid? Again: the people who keep "reminding" us that Jesus was a Jew also reject the obvious implications of Revelation 2:9, 3:9, and Romans 2:28-29 that indicate Netanyahu, Jerry Seinfeld, and Jared Kushner are NOT Jews.

>>24509458
>would you rather drink piss or eat shit?

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>>24509377
>>yeah but how can the father also be the son that doesn't make sense
I'm sure it does in your mind, where it also doesn't make sense but you have to say it makes sense for your scapegoat to take your sins off you

>>24509454
Yeah, having a child is a cruel and inherently selfish act

>>24509442
I actually have to disagree. A genuine Christian view should embrace the joys and pleasures of marriage. Sex isn't wrong, but expressed wrongly, it becomes a perversion. Christians believe God created the world—why would we spurn or slander God's work? I'm going to use sex here as an illustration. Sex, if left without responsible stewardship, becomes a destructive thing. It can ruin lives, but it can also be one of the most beautiful things that we can experience. I think Nietzsche is falling into his own trap here, funny enough, and projecting his own fears onto Christians. Just look at how his life ended; was this a man that enjoyed the world, or was he destroyed by it?

>>24509456
Nothing makes the Jew seeth harder than the name of Christ and washing your sin white as snow. Our unmerited favor with Christ combined with them no longer being the chosen just make the sljew psycoticly angry.

>>24509463
>>24509454

>>24509462
You're putting limits on the power of God
God can be 3 different things at the same time, obviously
He's God

this is why I called it an IQ gate

answer me this, brown clown - can God create a stone so heavy he can't lift it?
use all 80 of your IQ points

>>24509458
False dictonomy
You can't make me say all white atheists don't deserve death though just because the other option is not existing. GO be a kike somewhere else.

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>>24509465
>and washing your sin white as snow
Lol that's not what you're sacrificing your scapegoat to
The scapegoat is actually sacrificed to Azazel, aka Satan

>>24509456
>But the jews are saved anyway even though they literally killed Jesus according to your lore
that's heresy. Jews that believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God can be secure in having peace with God, but the Bible is clear, as is thousands of years of Christian doctrines of salvation that agree (modern heretics in the Vatican, or in Protestant mega-church, notwithstanding) that apart from faith in Christ, no Jew, or anyone for that matter, is reconciled to God.

>>24509404
>A man died on the cross.
To claim that a mere man died on the cross leads necessarily either to nestorianism or arianism.
>>24509456
The scapegoat was not the sacrifice to God.

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>>24509467
>You're putting limits on the power of God
Let me know when you have an argument that doesn't include me in it, crosscuck

Your "limitless" god was limited by a simple wooden cross. Alexander was not

>>24509440
>Almost all of them fail and will be going to hell.
>Do you disagree?
I agree. There are consequences for us collectively straying for God and acting like 'Christendom' isn't possible. We probably are living in one of the darkest times in history as well in regards to morality/sin.

Is your line of thinking that this isn't fair or conducive to a just or actively involved God?

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>>24509320
Begone kike

>>24509460
I am a different Anon. If you check my other posts, you will get a glimpse of my views.
I do not think its relevant he was a Jew, so I asked you dissaprove calling him that. I am of the belief that someone trying to provoke calling him that reveals a lot about them.

>>24509475
>I am a different Anon
You're right. I apologize.

>>24509459
Creation Ex Nihilio is what it's called btw, and it comes from the passages in Genesis. How would you know the simulation didn't start 5 minutes ago?
t. Graduate degree in STEM field

>>24509463
Yet another judeo-atheist that has judged humanity as unworthy of existing because it chooses humility to God vs his jewish hellscape.

>>24509443
And this summer I'm gonna pay a visit to his temple in Tibur

>>24509476
But you also answered by you disapprove. All I can say is nothing has the power to besmirch him, and all that Jesus being a Jew really does is showing us how lost some of the ones attacking him are.

>>24509471
>To claim that a mere man died on the cross
Even Catholics agree that he was both fully man and fully God, so saying "a man died on the cross" is not inaccurate
>>24509472
>Your "limitless" god was limited by a simple wooden cross.
............he came back to life, dude
>>24509473
There are consequences for us collectively straying for God and acting like 'Christendom' isn't possible. We probably are living in one of the darkest times in history as well in regards to morality/sin.
Why? My name isn't Adam.
>>24509477
I can't argue with trip-7's so I guess we're in a simulation. My point is more that it really doesn't matter. Go stub your toe and tell me it doesn't hurt.

>>24509478
You're not wrong. I find the idea of necessary humility to be absurd. Why? Give me a reason.
None of us asked to be here.

If you've never at least harbored some spiteful thoughts towards God, I don't think you're being honest with yourself.

>>24509467
>Can God stop being God
>gotcha!
Astounding thought experiment rabbi
>>24509469
I'm sorry you fell for it, but quoting your Talmud alis only proving:
1. You're Jewish
2. You're Israeli
3. You have a warped worldview because of your hatred of God
You'll have an eternity to regret it in a fire pit though

>>24509320
No.
While I respect the historical figure, his importance and impact to the world, I reject any supernatural notions attached to him.

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>>24509481
>>Your "limitless" god was limited by a simple wooden cross.
>............he came back to life, dude
I'm sure he did, dude. Because I'm the one in a cult, even though you're the one who's not allowed to question your retarded mythos


>Apostles' Creed

I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.

>was crucified, died, and was buried;
>he descended to hell.
>The third day he rose again from the dead.

>>24509483
>Can God stop being God
Yeah, actually
Answer that question. Can you?

>>24509480
My view:
True - Jesus is a Jew. Mary is a Jew.
False - Netanyahu is a Jew. Jerry Seinfeld is a Jew.

But the people reminding us that "Jesus was a Jew" are doing so because they believe it's TRUE that Netanyahu is a Jew and Jared Kushner is a Jew, and we should not antagonize them because "they're of the same people as Jesus".

>>24509486
Can you stop being you?

>>24509475
the most significant relevance that Jesus was a Jew is in as much as it shows that Almighty God is a promise-keeping God.
He promised Evie, and Noah, and Mo and Josh, and Sam and Dave, and Hose[a]:
Jesus Christ incarnating according to God's promises into the tribe foretold means most that when He promises Christanons that in Christ He has separated us from our sins, as far as the east is from the west, and so many more precious promises, we can trust God also for His trustworthiness, have done what He said He would.

>>24509481
>Why? My name isn't Adam
Regardless of the original sin, we all have no individually sinned. This is because the law was too strict and impossible to adhere to. Now this is where a lot of people tune out, and I get that too (which is why I'm a diest, a lot of the OT shit doesn't ring true to me).

Regardless if I agree with core Christianity doctrines or not, I can vibe with the fact that people are inherently flawed and need to consciously choose to be moral

>>24509472
You're idealized version of what Christ shoulda done wouldn't have satisfied prophesy though. It's an inherent flaw in the Jewish mind even present in the Pharisee of the Bible whomest are called a den of vipers by Christ.

>>24509487
>But the people reminding us that "Jesus was a Jew" are doing so because they believe it's TRUE that Netanyahu is a Jew and Jared Kushner is a Jew, and we should not antagonize them because "they're of the same people as Jesus".
Their attempts are laughable.

>>24509483
also you're a retard because you keep responding to me and acting like I'm a Christian when I'm the most anti-christian person in the thread
so you just started popping off and replying to me without reading the thread because you're a fucking moron

I believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God. Born of the Father before all ages, God from God, light from light, True God from True God, consubstantial with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation, He came down from Heaven, and by the Holy Spirit, was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Potius Pilate, He suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day, in accordance with the scriptures. He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.

>>24509488
I'm not God so that doesn't matter for the hypothetical
thanks for playing

>>24509321
Kek

>>24509493
Why are you anti-Christian?

>>24509463
Gnostic.

>>24509472
>Your "limitless" god was limited by a simple wooden cross.
Nigga, Jesus is still worshipped two millennia later and his religion is the biggest in the world. He didn't die, he is arguably one of the most immortal people ever to exist by the mere fact were talking right now about it.

>>24509490
I simply do not believe in the concept of original sin
I am not Adam

>>24509497
I don't believe that salvation can be achived through the sacrifice of another person

>>24509498
Correct

>>24509377
Only a subhuman thinks 1+1+1=3.!your christcuck ancestors tried to figure out if Jesus was man or god and both answers had their flaws so they just went YOLO and said both. It’s sloppy, careless, and stupid. What’s your education level and what do you work as since you claim you are so intelligent?

>>24509503
Hey dipshit who invented numbers and math in the first place?
If God says 2+2 = 5 then it does
deal with it
>wooaaaah allah created the heaven and the earth but he can't be multiple instances of himself at the same time that would just be crazy because I live in Yemen and I'm retarded
I know
I know

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>>24509409
Christcucks have the same high IQ as Hindu raperats. You are all subhuman shitskins

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>>24509482
Being angry about death or injustice isnt God's fault, it's in the EULA (Genesis 3:19 KJV), people dying in a manner you disapprove of, is not God being unfair or sinning, just fulfillment of the ToS.

>>24509504
You aren’t human lmao. Screenshotted so others can have a laugh

>>24509504
Indians believe in the trinity too. You must share their genius

>>24509505
woah it's almost like humans even without exposure to religion naturally develop a belief system based around the number 3
because there are 2 extremes (light/dark hot/cold) and a balance between them that is more ethereal

waooooooooh
who could have foreseen human spirituality formulating along those lines?!?!?!
damn, that's really crazy that people think like that

>>24509482
>None of us asked to be here.
You didn't ask, but you were given the gift of life that you hold so precious that you wont give it away. Don't want to live? You can end it this very hour.

>>24509500
You believe white people should give everything they have to blacks and browns because of muh slavery though.
>n-no no didn’t you see my post earlier where I pretended to hate women? I’m one of you!
You don’t blend in.

>>24509486
I just mocked you for the question.
>>24509493
Just entered the thread, you got me confused with other anon, it's clear you're a feral cannanite

>>24509510
You say that like suicide is entirely painless and doesn't massively inconvenience a lot of people around me.
This is not a "check-in, check-out" situation. Birthing a child carries weight.
>>24509511
>You believe white people should give everything they have to blacks
I never said that and I don't believe that at all
I do hate women though

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>>24509320
>taking any of this seriously

>>24509513
>I never said that and I don't believe that at all
Yes, you do.
>I do hate women though, see I blend in!
No, you don’t.

>>24509377
Go ahead and explain the trinity without falling into modalism or partialism.

I've actually wasted my own personal time trying to make sense of this dumb concept. Here read

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/130101.htm

This is literally about the trinity and some fun pointers when you talk about "IQ"

>in order to guard against the sophistries of those who disdain to begin with faith, and are deceived by a crude and perverse love of reason
Perverse love of reason eh?
>carried away as we are by the love of investigating the truth

Go ahead explain it to me with my perverse love of reason lmao

>>24509510
Also, it's just a false argument
>Oh yeah? You didn't ask to be born? Just die then if you don't like it!
You know as well as I do that every living thing, no matter how small, has a basic "I want to live" urge
None of us asked for that. We don't want to die. But we didn't ask to be born, either.
I hope you're capable of understanding why that distinction is important, and why "just kill yourself" isn't a very compelling answer.

>>24509495
It was a serious question.
>>24509501
Do you believe salvation can be achieved?

>>24509516
>Go ahead and explain the trinity without falling into modalism or partialism
God is everything so God can be anything, at the same time
Wallahi, nigger

>>24509518
>It was a serious question.
Alright, sorry I'll take it seriously then. I can probably only stop being myself if I die, and I can't be certain if that's true.
>Do you believe salvation can be achieved?
No

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>>24509519
Alright Mr high iq, let's do a small exercise. How many chickens do you count?

>>24509521
As many as Allah wishes, brown-clown
mashallah 'n shieeet

>>24509320
Yes of course. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life.
simple as.

>>24509515
I really do hate women though like for real

>>24509522
What kind of spery response is that? Try not to have a melty and answer. Is it one or three and why?

Also
>God is everything so God can be anything, at the same time
That's Hindu belief by the way. Welcome to Hinduism.

https://study.com/academy/lesson/pantheistic-definition-beliefs-religions.html#:~:text=Pantheism%20is%20the%20belief%20that,%2C%20and%20theos%2C%20meaning%20God.

>>24509525
If the Chickens are God it's as many chickens as God wants it to be, dude
I don't know how else to explain this to you
What part of "Omnipotent" are you misunderstanding?

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>>24509524
>I really do blend in though like for real

>>24509368
You're assuming God is the author of evil, you misunderstand creature ontology. Being corrupt is something that only occurs in creatures God makes, God doesn't corrupt or create evil beings. God is the definition of Good. The reason why most people assume that God contradicts logic is because their presumptions revolve around denying a self-referential being, their egos reject the idea automatically because from their ancedotal experiences, they think causal reasoning is somehow forever looping in of itself, but stop short of addressing the fact that all they did was ignore the implication of the loop existing itself, and that the loop itself is actually finite in the presented context. Meaning God is essentially a necessary being, because Reality is derived from his being, not the other way around. So cancer, being an entropic manifestation of evil is both judgement and mercy in one. If God didn't incorporate death into this universe, you'd be living forever with a body that experiences entropic decay, and worse, normies. That isn't heaven, that would be hell.

>>24509527
are you the guy that I called out earlier for over-using kike and the nazi flag?
haha you're mad

>>24509528
These are folks that believe God is sinning when someone dies in a way they haven't approved of.

>>24509529
if you're a white apostate say so, but as I'm sure you're aware, sharing your deep hatred for Christ online makes you indiscernible from a dirty jew.

>>24509520
Well... sure gives us an insight into what that could mean for other entities.
If you do not believe salvation can be achieved, why specifically mock the way people want to achieve it and not the endeavour itself?

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>>24509531
>you have to be Christian to be White
no

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>>24509320
Where was christ when it was time to discipline Israel?
Praise Hormuz!
The True God.

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>>24509320
I don't believe in fairy tales thought up by sandniggers living in mudhuts thousands of years ago.

>>24509532
>If you do not believe salvation can be achieved, why specifically mock the way people want to achieve it and not the endeavour itself?
Sheer frustration

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>>24509320
JESUS CHRIST IS A NON OMNIPOTENT CHILD RAPING NIGGER
THERE IS NO OMNIPOTENCE

>>24509526
You have not explained how logically 3 is 1. If you have a million in the bank and the teller says that you have only 1 dollar, will you say ok numbers don't matter it's whatever or what? Or when trannies say there are many genders at that point oh no it's just 2!!! Why not apply the same trinity math at that?

Seriously this is just so dumb. Do you do this on purpose or are you guys actually this thick?

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>>24509320
Of course I do.
Christ is King!

>>24509531
Also, I don't hate Christ. I just don't accept the theology behind him. There's a difference.

Maybe this is another IQ gate

>>24509537
With whom?

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>>24509541
>49pbtid
This is a cry for help. Sad.

>>24509539
>You have not explained how logically 3 is 1
God doesn't have to obey logic
That's inherent to being God
You're telling the being that created logic, and math, that his logic and math don't add up

I'm sorry but I cannot help your dumb ass

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>>24509321
There is only one God, jam boy.
Your gods are demons street shitter.

>>24509544
I'm just bored and you guys are actually good debate opponents so I'm having fun

>>24509542
People who believe we exist in an inherently fallen and flawed world, and can only be "saved" through submission or outside help, or by completely abandoning what makes us "us"

>>24509545
So why say it's 3 persons why not just 1 person? Or why say there's 1 god when literally everyone can count 3. Also god didn't create math. 1+1 = 2 independently of anything. It is axiomatically true

>>24509320
>pray to me or my dad who is also me will torture your soul for an incomprehensible length of time, because you touched your penis

Sorry I dont believe in your hilarious mythology

>>24509548
>People who believe we exist in an inherently fallen and flawed world
But it sounds like you believe the same thing, but believe salvation is not possible. It seems odd you criticize the attempted path to it.
>or by completely abandoning what makes us "us"
please clarify that part.

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>>24509335
> I don’t pray at all in the conventional sense. Seems contrived. I just live my life as honestly as I can and periodically express gratitude for the experience. What would I say to Jesus that needs to be said when his life and death said it all?
I used to think that way, then saw this post here. Now I pray every day.

> This is a free will universe and if you don't specifically request by name assistance from God directly you will get no help, since to help without a request is a free will violation.

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>>24509337
> Free will was a mistake. If God cared He would do something about this shit world
Free will is the whole point.
You’re supposed to do something about this shit world.
It’s your Test.

>>24509549
>So why say it's 3 persons why not just 1 person?
Same way you are mind body and soul, nigga
I can't help you beyond that, you either get it or you don't
>>24509551
>But it sounds like you believe the same thing
I believe creation was a mistake, and there is a solution to it
>please clarify that part.
Oh I was talking about more eastern traditions where the focus is like loss of ego or whatever, buddhism basically. I don't think that's the right path either.

>>24509554
>Same way you are mind body and soul
That's the partialism heresy. My mind body and soul are composite parts of me, not fully me. But jesus is fully god, father is fully god and spirit is fully god. I can count 3 fully gods in that sentence alone. How am I wrong?

>>24509555
> My mind body and soul are composite parts of me, not fully me
Yes, just like how the trinity is parts of God which are simultaneously the whole God
Thanks for finally (not) understanding
like I said it's an IQ gate apparently, for muslims in particular. I don't know why.

>>24509554
>I believe creation was a mistake, and there is a solution to it
You said yourself in this thread: Undoing one self does not certainly stop "You" from being "You". It will not un-create you.

>>24509560
I know. Also I guess we got moved to the throwaway board so this thread will just die now. It's a shame because I think at least you and I were having a good conversation.
What I'm searching for IS the way to actually, definitively "un-create" myself. Spiritually. Tikkun Olam.

>>24509568
>definitively "un-create" myself. Spiritually.
You cant, but some say an Ego Death can give you insight into that.

>>24509571
I've already experienced ego death multiple times
wasn't what I'm looking for

>>24509577
Cool, how? Ayuvaska or however its spelt?

>>24509587
No, just life and extreme situations where ego is not applicable

>>24509600
Thats not what ego death means anon.

>>24509603
Are you sure? Ego is the sense of self, a sense of worth. I was engaged to a perfect woman and we were going to start a family. I watched her die in agony in what can only be described as a cosmically comedic accident where she was essentially shredded by an 18-wheeler.
You tell me how I'm supposed to square that with God. You tell me my Ego didn't die that day.

>>24509615
I am sorry you had to go through this, Anon. A part of your grief will die with your Ego.

>>24509324
True
He wants you to have compassion for her as a wretch and yourself as an enabler

Men need to grow up and show their moms they need to show deference to their grown sons

At the very least you freed yourself from the witch mind prison good job

>>24509619
I don't necessarily want the grief to die. Like I said, I want to return the universe to it original form. I've always felt this way. Creation is inherently broken and needs to be repaired, and that requires a lot from all of us.

>>24509620
That also means leading your mom and future family to Christ

>>24509624
>Creation is inherently broken and needs to be repaired, and that requires a lot from all of us.
But Anon, this is literally what you said Christians believe and what upset you so much.

>>24509626
I don't think Christ fixed anything

>>24509626
More accurately, you're talking about how I said I don't believe in salvation right?
I still don't
It's more like melding everything back into what it came from
The entire act of creation itself was a mistake, it's not an issue of saving souls, or righting wrongs. It needs to be a total reset.

>>24509321
None because they don't exist.