Communism/socialism has failed in literally every single place it has ever been tried. Part of the reason socialist third world shitholes are third world shitholes is because they're socialist. The fact that so many people continue wanting to implement communism/socialism after such a long and embarrassing history of failure, suffering and mass death is proof that most people are retarded.>but it works in Norway!No it doesn't. Norway is collapsing just like every other socialist country in Europe as its population dies off and is replaced with immigrants who drain the welfare system.
>>24590551Lowkey thats not even a controversial take its just a fact. I can assure you that this is a common knowledge on this board.
Americucks with great points as usual. "Yes, I sabotaged every single socialist beginning. Your system which focused on wellbeing of society and not international control + profit didn't survive the cold war, therefore capitalism is superior".
>>24590589Russia is proof that the West didn't "sabotage" communist countries. Russia is under the heaviest sanctions of any country in the world, and yet things are still a hundred times better than the soviet era. Quit being a sucker! Communism doesn't work!
Communism and Socialism are not the same things. You have zero capitalist economy in Communism. You have some capitalist economy in Socialism.Seriously the IQ in America is astounding.
>>24590625Russia is a shithole and constantly finds itself in wars for territory and power. You sure you want to call this better than ussr? And denying the fact that west sabotaged everything communist related is just retarded, even FBI is not trying to hide it anymore.
>>24590641> Socialism is when government infiltrates every aspect of private life> Communism is when government infiltrates every aspect of private lifeIndeed very different Economy wise, for common man the different is only in empty shells in grocery stores. Centralized economy is impossible. Even modern communist shills agree with it. Whoever deny this is outside of discourse and are not to be taken seriously
Counterpoint: MexicoWe were already a shithole before communism was first thought of. Mexico was never communist or even socialist. The closest Mexico ever got was when the Mexican government did some completely normal shit, like nationalizing the telephone company and oil production. And even then, we were a shithole before that and we still are a shithole.
It's like America bombing Iran and saying Republics don't work.
>>24590551Communism is literally "You will own nothing and be happy".
>>24590841This.And we moving into that direction because of American and Jewish oligarchs
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>>24590841Except that is a picture put out by the WEF, an organization that represents the interests of billionaires across the world. Like Elon Musk and Donald Trump, who both gave glowing endorsements of the WEF itself.It's crazy that we live in a time where Elon Musk and Donald Trump would deliver glowing endorsements of a communist organization.
>>24590736Didn't you guys have a communist revolution where they started killing all the Catholic priests because marxists hate God for some reason?
>>24590872So were the Nazis going to become a bunch of commies then
>>24590860That is the most retarded thing I have ever read in my life.
>>24590878So I'll be able to own private property under communism?
>>24590886as if soros not sponsoring every fucking antifa and palestine fake protest ever
>the oligarchs and billionaires want communism! Seriously read a fucking book dipshit, I have come to understand with time why the commoners were excluded from political discourse. I don't agree with the practice, but I completely understand it.Got some great examples in this thread. Totally bamboozled brainwashed idiots. SAD!I LIVE A SLAVE TO NO MANMeanwhile you're stuck on the plantation on account of you're pathetic and have a slave mentality and you want to be told what to do. Because you're a sad little nigger slave. Simple as!Have a good one nigger slave! Enjoy your chain and shackles! They suit you well!
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>>24590895Yep. Another commie thinking that communism is about dictatorship of proletariat.. The difference between communism and capitalism is that under capitalism doors to top 1% is open for everybody. And under communism these opportunities do not exist and top 0.5% even even more as they responsible for distribution completely. Trillionares manufacture society where they would not be offed in revolution but still end up on the top of pseudo communistic society.If you believe you are somehow an elitist and intellectual, kindly off yourself. You're a fucking cattle who thinks people in power are capable of caring for common people.
>>24590900You must be not a slave then? Lol. Just because you think in a certain way doesnt make you a free man you retard. You're a slave yourself
>>24590551The forces of capital are the reason for the decay.
>>24590551But it makes the people I don't like unhappyHow can it be bad
>>24590551Socialism can be extended to many places. Like, democratic socialism, I mean. Yes, that would include modern day Germany and France and Japan. Read a dictionary and a poli-sci book, faggot.
>>24590551At this point maintaining ANY form of a commons, even a COMMON MARKET is closer to communism that the shithole oligarchic monopoly game we have in the west. Look at how thriving the Chinese are in the tech industry since they don't have corporate tentacles up in all their shit.
>just like every other socialist country in Europe0 of which exist
>>24590551>The fact that so many people continue wanting to implement communism/socialism after such a long and embarrassing history of failure, suffering and mass death is proof that most people are retarded.no, it's not
>>24590551those places are shit holes because they're full of idiots. only idiots still think socialism works.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0_TDPaUznw&ra=m
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>>24590589>WHUUUUTT? what do you mean the economic system i'm directly competing with and publicly trying to destroy is using every opportunity to sabotage me in return? this is bullshit, dude! i did everything right, there was nothing i could do!
I hate that somehow the definition of socialism has literally become government does literally anything. Like, having universal healthcare, college, and childcare etc. doesn't somehow mean you aren't capitalist anymore. The government spending your tax dollars on the public isn't socialism, it's the whole point of the damn government to begin with. people are so retarded.
>>24635214The government doesn't need to be involved with anything beyond a few admin functions. People do just fine when they aren't taxed to death.
>>24590841>Communism is literally "You will own nothing and be happy".True. But the same can be said for consumerism, and capitalism begets consumerism. Look at the current state of media. Nobody owns physical media anymore.>Everyone streams movies instead of owning DVDs.>Everyone streams music on Spotify instead of owning CDs.>Everyone buys incomplete video games on release day and have to wait for the rest of the game to be spoon fed to them so more money can be extracted from the consoomer.The state of technology is a joke too. People pay money for a laptop with an OS that is designed to shit itself within 3-5 years. The laptop could very easily be restored by replacing the OS with Linux or one of the *BSDs, but because big tech very intentionally design their products to be as retard-friendly as possible, most people are too tech illiterate to know how to do that. Either that or they genuinely think they have to be some kind of tech nerd with a CS degree just to know how to put a Linux iso file onto a USB stick.Big tech try very hard to make sure that consoomers don't know how to do anything with a computer except knowing how to open a browser and go on social media. This is so that consoomers aren't able to escape the cycle of having to buy a new laptop every 3-5 years, once Windows shits itself. That's not owning a laptop. That's manipulation.There are many more examples of insidious business practices that thrive in capitalist countries, but these are some of the more egregious examples.>tl;dr neither capitalism nor communism let you own anything. It doesn't matter what political system your government is using, since politicians are just going to look out for their own self-interests anyway. Capitalism and communism are just different methods for acheving that.
>>24660984Digital downloads weren't even a thing that existed before the 2000s. And I see people still using 2016 macbook pros that work just fine. Hell I've seen people still using the old bulky iMacs with an optical drive.
>>24590880Marxists hate god/religion only because the only worship allowed is reserved for the state and its apparatusSimple as
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>>24590551Main problem in your statement is fact that You have no chance to know what Failed in those mentioned countries because Communism in it's purest form was never even tried in first place.Something far from communism is in current china or NKor. Capitalism in it's purest form same was never achieved. Current USA system is just slightly modified Feudalism combined with anarcho-corporatism which Literally produce noting.Corporations basically live from companies which they consume and state subsidies given them for free...Basically no one Know how much money should be in world circulation .Every country is deep in depth so it means That missing money are quite huge Hence constant economic depression since Beginning of 90's.But... Most probably It whole is just stupid Monopoly game where money have 0 value.And ideologies just fake narrative how to attack your opponent.Anyhow ...We are at end of game cycle and war will come and erase everything!There in no light at end of this tunnel.
>>24590625What you see is 100 x worse what could be if revolutions in 90's never take place!
>>24669357>Communism in it's purest form was never even tried in first placeHippies formed many communes that were a classless, stateless dictatorship of the proletariat where everything was owned communally and everyone worked for free. Bernie Sanders used to live in one. They collapse and everyone leaves. Every single time.
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>>24672488Eventually somebody fucks up and the whole commune will suffer for it. The guilty parties may be honest about it at first, but sooner or later somebody will fuck it up and refuse to take responsibility. The whole thing falls apart as soon as that occurs because then there's somebody above scrutiny and unequal. Unironically Bernie was one of those people and got purposefully ejected from his utopia for being dead weight
