You say, "I was born against my own will!" But let me ask you this: how can someone not be born against their own will? It is metaphysically impossible to not be born against your own will.God did not choose to be, He Is."But why eternal punishment?" Because you refuse to give up. You were born against your own will, yet now that you are alive, you are imposing your own will unto that which gave you birth. Why is this?In the beginning, you recognized yourself as not the source of judgement, yet now you sit on the judges seat and say, "My will be done," and indeed your will be done, for this is judgement: that whoever refuses to give up their own will in the face of the will of the one who brought them to life, will have plenty of what they desired.For this reason he said, "Your will be done" for those who give up their own will in the face of the will of the one who brought them to life, they will indeed share in his will and in his eternal life.What then is the will of God? "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."To believe is to be, and act. If you believe that the stove is hot, will you put your hand into it? How then, if you believe in him, can you not thrive to become like him?As it is said, "I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you."Judgement is like a sieve. Why then are you trying to fit the square block inside the circural hole?To remain in him, you must share in his nature, the very nature revealed through his one and only son: love, compassion, justice, mercy and faithfulness. These are his true nature.The one who loves and knows the truth can confirm that my words are true, and he will do the will of the one who brought him to life.I am here doing his will.Now go and remain in him, and in that day, you will share in his eternal life.
>>24799129>Godstill doesnt exist no matter how often you repeat this spam thread.your circumciser jew god will never be real and is not required in any process we see in the universe.
You're a skinless monkey that had its insticts hijacked by some more advanced big nosed monkeys. Now keep talling that screen/keyboard and worry about things you will never influence.
>>24799130Not every seed that falls from the sower's hand will take root, but the one seed that does will produce plenty of fruit.
>>24799129God made me an atheist and who am I to question his design?
No retard my body is machine stock full of legacy systems from billions of years of evolution to make sure existential dread does not affect its operation and doesn't even need the central network do babysit everything. Look up white blood cells you fucking head in the clouds moron, the world is a feast of death and pain. The entire fucking biosphere adapted to eating itself to survive
>>24799132>Not every seed that falls from the sower's hand will take root, but the one seed that does will produce plenty of fruit.A lie repeated often enough will find credible believers, that's true.
yes you did choose, we all didbut there is no terror of 'eternal hell', that is a demonic lie"Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be."- Krishna to warrior Arjuna, in the Bhagavad-Gitahttps://web.archive.org/web/20150630014626/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ205esn7qE
>>24799129It's possible to be born against your own will if you factor in reincarnation as a thing that truly exists. I'm not an atheist though, I have my own beliefs and your logic is flawed.
Truth is not something that exists independently of a grounding. Instead, truth is that which stands on its own. Truth does not require a grounding because truth and what grounds it are one and the same: whatever the ground is, truth also is.If I say, "You ought not to do this!", I am already assuming that there is something that grounds the claim I am making. But I am here to tell you that the truth of the world is binary, and the answer to a binary is either "one" or "zero". This is the binary: that the foundation of the world is either blind, or it is mind-like.If you are willing to see the truth and listen to my words, you will indeed listen and see it. The reason it is a binary is this: evaluation itself requires a mind. We have NEVER observed evaluation of value, nor meaning, nor purpose, nor right nor wrong outside of a mind.A stone doesn't say to the tree, "Get out of my way!" Neither does water say to the fish, "What are you doing?" Evaluation requires a mind, and the foundation is either mind-like or it is not. The answer is either "yes" or "no".Why do I say, "It is either mind-like or it is not"? Do you still not understand? Since evaluation requires a mind, the foundation would need to be mind-like for there to be something objective which grounds your claims about value or meaning or purpose or any kind of moral claim.There either is a God, or there isn't, and I am here to tell you: there is a God, and He Himself is that grounding. He is the truth, and everything flows from Him. He is the foundation of the world, the eternal life that gives life to everyone.And this is sin: to not live in accordance with the foundation. How can someone who lies remain in truth? How can one who is filled with hatred remain in love? On the last day, He will separate the chaff from the wheat, the sheep from the goats, truth from falsehood, and hate from love.And thus His judgment is just, because you refuse to align yourselves with the truth.
>>24799129Didn’t read the insane christcuck rambling. Hell I didn’t seven scroll down past the title on my mobile phone
>>24799138How does the race of mankind factor in? Everyone capable of making an evaluation therefore has a mind. But the mind of those who evaluated the world and decided to enact measures that would guarantee the erasure of White European bloodlines are reducing to zero the number of people who, when capable of evaluation, that is, those people that have a mind, use the product of their evaluations to guide them them to do good and bring prosperity and happiness.What, in your estimations, does God think of this situation, and what will He do?
>>24799140Something I wrote a while ago:God doesn't punish like humans punish, nor does God judge like humans judge. God is What Is, and He judges through His being. At the last day, we will return to What Is, and anyone who is not of What Is will be with what is not. You are judged based on your being through His being. How can someone who lies remain in truth? God is Truth, and to remain in Truth, you must be aligned with Truth. Believe me, He has sent me to show you the truth so that you will remain in Him and have eternal life in Him.What does God require of me? Love truth and love others. In this, you are the image He created you to be. When I say "truth," I am not telling you to love what is factual; I am telling you to love What Is. What Is is that which is when the self dies. Do not ask, "What do I want?", "How should it be?", or "What benefits me?" All these come from the evil one. Instead, ask, "What is?" and let What Is become what you want. Let it be how it is, and let it be what you need."What about the children or the disabled?" I tell you: everyone is judged according to what they were given. If it is said that someone who is given much, much more will be required, what about the one who was given nothing or very little? I tell you: the children and the disabled will enter the kingdom before the wise men do, for they lived according to the little they were given, while those who were given much did not put it into practice. I tell you: the blind and the deaf and the mute and all kinds of disabled have produced fruit since the day they were born. For whoever looks at one who is blind, a seed was planted in them. They have produced much though they were given little.
>>24799141Anyone who does not worship What Is and instead worships what is not is a worshipper of Satan. It is said, "He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."God is What Is. Satan is what is not. What is not is not something new, but a distortion of what is. Satan does not create; he distorts and destroys. The greatest lie is not the lie that is the opposite of truth. The greatest lie is the truth viewed through a distorted lens.That is why it is said, "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eyes are unhealthy, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"The healthy eye says, "What Is? Let me understand, and I will form myself according to that." The unhealthy eye says, "What do I want?" and "How should it be?" and "What benefits me?" But truth does not care about any one of those things. Truth is what is when you strip those away and look at reality through healthy eyes.
>>24799137No one in their right mind would choose to black or Indian anon.
Obvious botspam, exact same thread was posted earlier today. Lets see if janitors are impartial or biased.
>>24799144What is all this seething about? I thought this was the site where you could say "nigger" with no end in sight? Yet when I am telling the truth, you want it taken down?
>>24799143Who's to say anyone chose to do it?
>>24799145>IF YOU POINT OUT THIS IS BOTSPAM THEN UR SEETHINGexact same style of shilling, regardless of flag or topic
>>24799129I was indoctrinated all my childhood about christianity. I had religion fatigue.Parents on the East coast (Virginia)I moved to the West coast (Washington) in my early 40s to kind of get away and reset myself and see what else there is in life. Best decision ever made.I met different christians on the West coast. They all ended up being liars or zionists. I am fed up of all this.I started liking Hitler.He seemed so great that I’m now wondering if he was a jewish psyop (a jewish plant, real war, fake holocaust just to trigger and entertain worldwide jewish empathy to better control people and for them to get a piece of land)I guess we’ll never really know
>>24799147You might call it botspam; I call it sharing what has been given to me from God. You might not care because you're not His sheep, but there are those who do care, and they will listen and understand.
>>24799149This thread is a bot? Fuck. I just spent time writing a quality text. Oh well…Sieg Heil!
https://odysee.com/@MyAwesomeChannel:069/Adolf-Hitler--You-Said-I-Was-A-Dreamer-The-Impartial-Truth-Free-:6
>>24799148I started with liking Hitler, but when time moved on, God made it known to me that this world is not all that there is. Hitler was right about many things; the problem is that people mistake the partial for the whole. Hitler had a partial truth, but people treat it as if it’s the whole truth. The whole truth is this: among those who claim to belong to God, there are many who do not do the works He commanded them to do. It is not all Jews, but the synagogue of Satan is indeed among them, and this will cause people to turn on all Jews, the same way the Christians you are talking about are defiling His name and being. Do not mistake them for what Jesus taught. Even He said, "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules." He knows this too, and He will put an end to it when that day comes.and I am not a bot, this person just hates the truth.
>>24799145>Yet when I am telling the truthYou're confusing truth with your personal feelings and opinions
>>24799152>God made it known to methere is no "God", you just suffer from untreated mental illness where you imagine things that arent there.do you have jewish genes? take medication? drug abuse? or a combination of these?they made you mentally ill so you worship a fake circumciser god and now you try to spread your mental illness on the internet.
>>24799154What do you think it is going to do if you keep saying these things to me? Can you not see that it clearly doesn't work?
As for me, only death is going to stop me from spreading His word. You fear death because this World is all that there is for you. If you knew the truth, you would not fear death either way. If there is no God, what is there to lose? And if there is a God, for anything you lose, much more you will receive in return.
>>24799155so other people become aware of your mental illness since clearly you are already too braindamaged from jewish shitskin religion.
>>24799156If you actually knew the truth, you'd realize that there's far more than just earth, heaven, hell, and possibly purgatory. There is so much more out there that was simply not created by your god, because in the end, the real creator is beyond the setting we live in. Your god is just a part of this setting.
>>24799158>If you actually knew the truth, you'd realizeJanitors STILL haven't deleted this obvious botspam thread that was posted multiple times today.
>>24799158>the real creator no "creator" is needed tho
>>24799159for some reason janitors dont rangeban this christcuck and his spam.
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>>24799158You're not even a real christcuck.
>>24799162>YOU'RE A JEW IF YOU DON'T WORSHIP A JEW!>>24799161because they're bought out by Christjew organizations like TPUSA
>>24799164It is, in fact, the Jews that rejected Christ. You have more in common with them than I do.
>>24799160I get where you're coming from, but the existence of reincarnation, spirits, and a bunch of other things leads me to believe there is one, but they would not fit into anything that's already considered a religion. I would basically argue that every religion has it wrong when it comes to who created the actual world we live in. All these deities people claim to worship are merely characters like you and I, and as heretical as it sounds, even they can be killed and are ageless at most.>>24799163Of course I'm not. I am not Christian or Catholic or whatever you want to call it.
>>24799165You're not a real christcuck either, go to your local church to preach your schizophrenia and see how long you last before the real Christians excommunicate you lmao
>>24799166>the existence of reincarnation, spirits, and a bunch of other thingsthats not proof of anything tho
>>24799167/thread
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>>24799170>le vague replyThat's cool! Tell me your three favorite songs.
>>24799168Well in the end it's just what I believe in, as schizo as it sounds. I've thought about this stuff a lot, and it makes sense to me, but I will admit that I do not truly know if there is such a thing as a god. If there is one though, I think I'm the closest to getting it right. The only reason I even came to this thread was simply to debate, but OP didn't even bother interacting with what I was trying to say, haha. All I want, is to see if there's a glaring flaw in my model, something I've missed. I want to better understand the world.
The Father is patient, and anyone who comes to him, he will not drive away, as it is said: "I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me."You will ask me, "Who is he?" He is the one who is. The one and only true God, he is the eternal life that gives life to everyone. He is the way, the truth, and the life. He is the way because you were created in his image. He is the truth because everything was made through him and for him. And he is the life because, if you live by the truth, you will have eternal life in him, with him.He came into the world, but the world did not receive him. He sent his Son to reveal him, but the world did not recognize him.The Father stands in front of the mirror; the image in the mirror is him, but he is not the image in the mirror. So it is with the Father and the Son. Through the Son, the Father made himself known.Or again, it is like the sun and the moon: if you look at the sun, you will become blind, but if you look at the moon, you are seeing the sun's light. The moon's light is not its own; the light belongs to the sun, and by looking at the moon, you are able to receive it. So does the Son make the invisible Father known to you. This is why "The Father is greater than I" and "I and the Father are one" are both true.The same way the Son made the invisible Father known, so are we called to make him known. Indeed, you were created in his image. "What does it mean?" To share in his nature: love, compassion, justice, mercy, and faithfulness. These are his true nature.In that day, everything false will pass away, but the truth will never pass away. Therefore, be sure to make the truth your practice and love your nature.
>>24799172>>24799173Janitors STILL refusing to delete this obvious botspam that violates the board rules. Intersting.
>>24799174They are doing what God desires by letting me do these things.
>>24799174I'm not a bot though. Like I said I just wanted to discuss my thoughts somewhere, since there's not really a place for it on the rest of the internet. That being said, I'll agree the thread should be deleted because this finanon just keeps posting things he's said before in other threads.
>>24799175>>24799176That's cool. What are your three favorite songs?
>>24799176Much love friend.
>>24799172>it's just what I believe inwhy? religious indoctrination? watched too much jewslop on the telly as a kid?>I think I'm the closest to getting it right.ok so show some proofs that convinced you.>All I want, is to see if there's a glaring flaw in my modelso present it, I'm all ears
>>24799129>it is metaphysically impossible to not be born against your own willCircular arugement, how do you even establish the existence of will before been born and aware of it? Smuggling answer inside a statement A non-existent person cannot be said to will or not-will anything. You treat non-existence as if it were a deliberative agent.>Reading just the second paragraphYou're straw manning and making falses premises all over like spaghetti not tied by any logical steps or connectionsEven though I don't think you are wrong for believing in god or a god, just stop with the retarded arguing and debating cuz 98% of you don't make any sound pointBest arguments for god's existence was from Eastern Orthodox Christianity and some Buddhists I met on discord
>>24799178>>24799179I really appreciate your work. Can you tell me what your favorite songs are?
You're not born "against your own will", because you have to exist before you can have a will. People are born, and then develop a "will", and then retroactively decide whether or not they are okay with having been born. If the answer is ever "no", the exit is always accessible. If it's "yes", then there is no one to "blame" for existing, and countless things to thank. Or you can just not focus on such retarded abstract questions and instead focus on living life. But that can be hard to do when you worship a God that tells you to deny the things of this world so you can eventually live in a perfect one after you die. So, for me, that is also not worth my attention.
>expelled to /bant/OP's kvetching at this antisemitism
>>24799371It was the Pharisees that wanted Jesus to be crucified.
>>24799178We're not friends.>>24799179My religion, if you could even call it one in the first place is too far removed from any known religion, so I don't believe religious indoctrination would make sense.>show some proofsI have no proof. I can describe my model, but I can't prove that what I call the creator actually exists. All I am saying is that if a creator exists, then I am more likely to be closer than a christcuck, hindu, or anything else.>so present it, I'm all earsI'll start off with a basic question. If you were to write a novel, and in the setting of this novel, the canon lore is that an omnipotent god created this world, who then created the world within the novel? You (the author), or the god within the book? I think we can both agree that you, the author created the setting, no? I basically apply that logic onto this world, and say that the true creator exists beyond the confines of the "story" and any god that exists here is actually just another character like any of us mortals.That is my core argument.We are all characters in a story that exist to entertain the storyteller, and there is no penalty for not worshipping the creator, nor is there any penalty beyond the consequences of the story for committing an immoral act. There is also no reason for the creator to make themselves known, as it would derail the fun of watching us argue and bicker.Not sure if you're still here, but that's a very basic outline.
>>24799129>>24799138>>24799141>>24799142>>24799173these posts look like they were genrated by an llm, i know because i use llms to make posts too.
>>24799384I write everything myself, and it comes from me, but I run it through an LLM to fix any typos, etc. Sometimes, when you have a long text, it takes a long time to go through it, and I do not want to stop to fix them myself and lose the train of thought. So yes, I use it to fix them, but the text and its content come from me.
>>24799393getting a bit defensive are we not?
>>24799397nah i am just going to be honest to confirm that you are indeed right, i am not going to lie to you friend, much love
>>24799141I don't think you answered the question, so I'll simplify it greatly to figure out who you represent. What is the origin of the non-White races, and what is your view of race-mixing?
>>24799129I am not reading all of that. Kill yourself, jew worshipper.
LISTEN ATHEISTSYOU SAYI ONLY HEAR WHAT I WANT TO
>>24799139>>24799371>supporting /pol/ tranny jannies>>24802116You say I talk so all the time, so?
