>>24895157
I'm angry because it's not a fat black woman.
ANGRY

>>24895157
That's retarded.
Is it easier to let the robot do the actual working of the stone? Sure, but you still gotta make the model for the statue first.
It's like reverse 3d printing. 3d printing your sculpture doesn't stop it from possibly being art, or a horsecock, or whatever it is you do.

True.
Can't describe it, but there's something in art that requires the human effort element to make it actual art.

If you were walking down a gigantic hall, flanked by statues, what makes them imposing and impressive is all the human effort around you, all that essence in one place for one thing.
If you knew they were done like this you'd think the person was a tryhard because they are.

>>24895159
It actually is. Effort is important in art.
There's a reason the term 3Dslop exists.

What is the point of making stuff out of marble if you are not going to paint it?

Looks shitty.

>>24895161
Do you think sculpting in 3d is easy?

>>24895164
Compared to working on the slab yourself? It absolutely is. Much less punishing too, just hit ctrl+z. It may still be art in a certain sense, but the actual value of the piece would be much, much lower.

>>24895157
That marble could have been someone's kitchen counter for a few years until they decided it wasn't fashionable anymore.

>>24895164
As compared to how it's done manually? Which was the very basis of Frenchanons statement?
Yes, significantly easier.
You remind me of the guy that was so convinced that AI prompts were the same as art he went to court (and lost, obviously).

If a guy used a 3d program to get an idea of what he wanted a statue to look like and if it were physically possible, then he sculpted it by hand, that's fine.

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>>24895157
Could be worse

>>24895164
Yeah. Making video game assets isn't that hard. This is no different.

>>24895165
yeah you're right but pretty much nobody today knows how to sculpt in marble. If you think there should be more traditional architecture and art in public this would be a very cost effective way to do it.
>You remind me of the guy that was so convinced that AI prompts were the same as art he went to court (and lost, obviously).
I don't agree because to do 3D you need to exercise your qualia to create in intentionally created sculpture. Qualia is not expressed in ai

Imma be real, I want a marble statue of the Blue Eyes White Dragon and Dark Magician in my living room.

>>24895169
>making a realistic human is easy
well you got me to reply

>>24895170
>this would be a very cost effective way to do it
Yup, on that I could agree with you wholeheartedly. But just as industrialization killed the quality of production in favor of quantity, this can kill actual art in favor of slop. These things should be implemented with great care and a decent amount of forethought.

>>24895172
It's so hard that you can earn around $80k a year working for a good studio.

The guys making nude mods for Skyrim are as good as Michelangelo.

>>24895173
Society has to have a will to make something good. Technology is just a tool

>>24895157
It’s not as impressive as the ones done by hand but it’s also not like anyone could just do this now.
The programming of that bot still is complex and someone had to make the model.
The software, the machine, the execution, everything was still made by humans.

>>24895175
I have the will for camping under a bridge, drinking whiskey, and eating beans while watching the sun set. Does this count as civilization? Diogenes-pilled, happy to say not my problem. Enjoy the sweet cold night air from behind a cardboard box, snug and toasty.

>>24895157
Brainlet, my mind immediately switched towards a completely different badgoy use for that thing lol

>>24895175
Problem is, most of society is content consuming absolute, utter shit. Let's face it, art was much better back when only the wealthy could afford it, simply because those wealthy people had jack shit to do and could spend their time refining their taste. A poorfag has more pressing issues to attend to. Other societal problems aside, having a class that could moderate art and enlighten the masses, even if only through vanity projects, worked best. Too bad modern rich cunts stroke their ego in other ways.

>>24895177
>Does this count as civilization?
No because you're alone
>>24895179
I think people are starting to get tired of slop. Idk the pendulum swings both ways. I also think if people actually care about art they need to get together and commission stuff.

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>>24895161
>Effort is important in art.

This is what artists think of your art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'art_pompier

>>24895161
This is the logic behind the Marxist "Labor Theory of Value". Kevin spent three hours baking a mud-pie, and Stephen spent one hour baking a cherry pie, therefore Kevin's pie is more valuablw than Stephen's pie. Thank you Marx, very cool

>>24895180
>people are starting to get tired of slop
Slop is just losing its novelty, but the damage has been done already. It may not be as ubiquitous as it was a couple years back, but now it's pervasive. As someone working in production design and printing I can confidently say it led to a noticeable drop in design quality.

>if people actually care about art they need to get together and commission stuff
And those few who care already do just that. But I'm not sure such a small target audience would suffice for this tech. IMO the ideal scenario would be government commissioning this relatively cheap art to finally start building actually beautiful public spaces and buildings (again like they did back in the day). The modern glass and concrete boxes are just too tiresome.

I think you're all ridiculous, you sound like the Luddites in the Industrial Revolution.
>Factories will become obsolete any day now, because it's not real clothing if it hasn't been hand-sewn by a proud craftsman

>Cars? Ha, real men ride thoroughbred stallions
>A shower? But what about the glorious ancient lake?

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>>24895157
This is such a simplistic view of both art and machining. With a cnc machine and a few other tools you can create things that ancient sculptors could never achieve, so the dumbass take that it is effortless or not art due to the technological assistance is retarded. Its like saying the sculptor was a bad artist because he used a harder metal in his chisel than previous generations. The idea that evolution is bad is regressive; you have the mindset of a bureaucratic rat. I spit on you and your view of art

>>24895184
And lo and behold, the clothes we're getting now disintegrate in a couple of seasons, while older handmade ones lasted years. Nevermind all the hidden damage we're dealing to ourselves as a species by overproducing useless shit. The luddites took their thinking to the extreme, but weren't wrong in their core assumptions.

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>>24895184
Not really, you're just a dumbass that doesn't understand "art" and "labor" are two different things. The pies Kevin and Stephen made are just food to be eaten , there isn't an art element which is entirely distinct from things made purely for utilitarian reasons, as art is traditionally the opposite of utilitarian.

You'll now respond with some seething that misses the point entirely, like again you do here.
>>24895185
Because you can't even differentiate between form and function.

>>24895161
You literally just made that up.

>>24895188
i don't give a shit about abstract purpose. i'm a materialist and i want things to be both beautiful and cheap. i hate avante garde and i welcome ai and gene editing

>>24895189
made me laugh out loud

>>24895190
>i don't give a shit about abstract purpose.

Then you can't be talk about art in a way anybody would take seriously.

>>24895161
not really, no
result is what matters
results generally take effort
but effort never warrants results

>>24895187
Older clothes lasted years because people would keep repairing them and patching them up because they were so expensive to buy new when you had to do it from a tailor or dressmaker, not because they were magically more durable. What a terrible argument. You guys really are down to the bottom of the barrel conscripts, huh.

>>24895194
Well, that sure played a part, but the other reason they lasted years was they were designed to. Mass production can't exist without mass consumption, and any market is finite. So mass production ends up creating subpar product to keep the market going, you don't have to be a genius to think that up. I've been through that "repair your stuff" phase, and let me tell you - there's no point in repairing something that will break within a few weeks anyway because the very material used is shit. And sure, you can pay through the nose and get quality stuff. But, the irony, it would be the exact same handmade stuff that was priced out by mass production, made by very similar methods.

Is electronic music considered art? Somebody conceives it, then a machine produces the sound. Art or not, many people enjoy electronic music.

Is this sculpture art? Somebody conceived the 3D model, then a machine produced the sculpture. Art or not, many people would enjoy having this statue in a garden or park.

Something doesnt need to be art in order to get enjoyment out of it.

>>24895194
What the other anon said is partially true because the clothes people bought back in the day were selected for durability. Nowadays many foids buy TEMU or Primark shit that doesn't survive a single season and is filled with all kinds of chemicals and plastic. Of course, durable clothes are also still being made and sold so it's not like we've regressed as a society in clothing durability.

>>24895161
>Effort is important in art
It never was.
Painting is easier than sculpting shit on a rock with a bone but you wouldn't say Michelangelo is less of an artist than a caveman. Mezzo-fresco is easier and more convenient than Affresco but no one would argue mural paintings from 1400 are artistically superior to 1600 wall paint.
Digital animation is quicker and easier than painting on traditional plastic cels but that doesn't make Treasure Planet or Tarzan less "artistic" than the DuckTales movie.

"Effort" by itself is not a virtue or a metric anyone really uses in art, or to judge art for that matter.

>>24895160
>I WANT HUMANS TO SUFFER AND GRIND SO MUH ART FEELS GOOD
Biocunts are irredeemably evil, clankers are right to eradicate us.

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>>24895160
that was impressive at the time when those arts were being created
Today something along those lines would be an AI android of the person that can talk and have the feel of the person that was alive.

>>24895160
>what makes them imposing and impressive is all the human effort
no, it's not
what makes them imposing and impressive is they're nice, big, hard and heavy
fuckwit

>>24895157
>use a tool to carve your art into marble
:D
>use a more advanced tool to carve your art
:(

>>24895157
neither is all that shit you see in the museums, you dumb jeet. all that shit in the museum was created exactly how you see in the photo.

>>24895160
>Can't describe it
you can't describe it because you're a normalfag and normalfags (including males) are emotional creatures. You lack logic. All you do is react aggressively like a primitive chimp.

>>24895204
If you want logic, then here's one for you - a manually made statue represents the labor the artist CHOSE to pour into it. When you look at it, you know that its creator considered his creation to be worth all the blood, sweat and tears, and did it to the best of his ability to make it worth it all. Simplifying the methods however opens up a path to noncommitment and mediocrity.
Plus the statue in the video could use some sanding, gloss finish looks cheap as fuck.

>>24895165
Turn off history states if you want then, nigger.

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>>24895157
This would be great if it drove down the costs and started being implemented again on dams, bridges, public buildings, infrastructure.
It gains value as art only when it is combined with civil engineering. It is worthless as a stand-alone piece.

programming a cnc to do that shit is arguably harder than chiseling it yourself

>>24895206
It's still not comparable to losing the whole thing to a wrong strike, bud. Don't pretend you don't understand the meaning of my words, I'm fairly sure you're not actually retarded.

this is like that sword autism.
where retards pay more for a chink to hand polish and sharpen it.
instead of using a machine.

programming a cnc to do that shit is arguably harder than chiseling it yourself.
Also 3D modeling is basically sculpting with polygons instead of clay.

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>>24895158
nice try tranny

>>24895160
i'd swap 'human effort' for the more precise 'proof of work'
sonnets are charming because it's difficult finding an appropriate set of english words

>>24895157
When i turned 12. Then I grew up

>>24895198
Effort is a bad word to use, craftsmanship seems more applicable. Whatever craftsmanship exists in that sculpture can only be attributed to whoever made the digital model, assuming there is someone like that and it isn't some AI slop thing.

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>>24895212
yeah right

>>24895205
Artistic value stems from more than just manual or even mental effort. It has to convey something deeper and "copy pasting" it physically (or digitally) shouldn't affect it.

>>24895161
interesting how they use what is probably a 3d scan of a classical sculpture. the robot carving takes away the minute details that comes from human interaction with the stone. pity, but it will just change marble sculptures into affordable decorative art. which is what they've always been. minus the affordable. cool tech that will probably improve to reproduce even the tiniest scratches some renaissance sculptor left. it will never create.

>>24895194
>i'm literally retarded
Polyester is not a fabric thread. Why is there polyester in clothing? We had fabric rated plastics, and now you give us literal trash? Fuck you.

>>24895157
if rainbow dots on a canvas are art then so is this, sorry artfags.

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>>24895157
People are going to have to come to terms with the fact that we're in a "post-transcendence" world and you can either just be a bugman consumer and be happy, or you can have unglamorous, fat, monkish faith in whatever God or ideal you believe in (which will never materially benefit you). But either way, art is over is and you're never going to be a famous artist or philosopher.

>>24895217
Fair enough, but that's not quite what I was trying to say. Effortless reproduction is a-okay by me. I'm just saying that a certain labor requirement effectively gatekeeps the art and makes sure you aren't drowning in low-effort, low-quality stuff. Something that's inherently difficult to make will have a greater chance of being good because otherwise it's simply not worth the time and effort wasted.

>>24895157
2 differences
There are actually not enough people in this world able to produce these in this quality.
Secondly in the end you have a physical statue that could be here in 1000 years still.

>>24895194
true in part, though i have good shirts older than my married son. shirts that never needed repair or new collars. i remember getting shirts from my greatgrandfather when it was cool to wear stuff from the 30s (sometime in the 80s last century). those cotton shirts were 50 years old by then and intact without repairs. good fabric, small stitches, hand washed, buttons kept in place. other items like suits or coats would go through established routines for storing, so wool wouldn't be damaged. still happened. those were mended, or replaced. shoes would last a lifetime and need regular maintenance by a professional. which was affordable at some point. all that changed after WW2. why, you ask? well.

>>24895160
ok but even 200 years ago all that human effort could be commodified and a fat rich noble could just buy up those statues he could never carve himself and stuck the in his mansion.
this doesn't make AI art good, but the second art and one single cent mix, art becomes commodified. People just draw different lines w.r.t. where the commodification "should" end.

>>24895225
*and stick them in his mansion

>>24895204
Imagine being a literal subhuman gypsy race talking about npcs

>>24895193
this
also true mastery is effortless

>>24895157
I'm an actual clay sculptor and do it for a living. I knew this day would come eventually. We can argue all day about "the human element" and labor and what makes art special. But the sad truth is that people don't really give a shit. The end result is all that matters. This goes for the creators and the consumers. For years we all complained about CGI in movies (we still do), but ultimately we accepted it, didn't we? We can call it slop, but like I said, the end product is all that matters. It will be accepted. Nobody really gives a shit.

We're in a strange crisis. We're at the point where we can have anything we want, any entertainment we want, we can make things out of thin air, yet we're fucking miserable and the world is going insane. I think we're starting to collectively sense that we're all becoming irrelevant. Being gay, trans, hooked on meds, assassins, etc. it's all a desperate attempt to stand out and be noticed. To grasp at some purpose and identity. And the madness will only grow stronger as that irrelevance becomes more apparent. Imagine a world where everything you do, and everything you're passionate about, will not matter or have any value. That's the world we're now starting to make. Where do you go from here? We're not going to go back, that's for sure.

>>24895222
my first thought. we're past marble peak ffs. poor carrara. let's hope someone comes up with artificial lime stone soon. or why not cast a 3d molds and make resin statues.

>>24895222
surely you can judge that by looking at the end result instead of taking the luddite approach

>>24895227
Imagine being a butthurt 1.70m tall german incel seething on /pol/. Oh wait, you don't have to imagine.

>>24895194
older clothes lasted longer because they were well made
I have a few clothes that are older than me and stay in better condition than the throwaway shit you now find everywhere

>>24895217
some art derives value from the technical skill, and some derive it more from being insightful or moving

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>>24895229
>Being gay, trans, hooked on meds, assassins, etc. it's all a desperate attempt to stand out and be noticed
No it's not.
All this DEI poison is pushed by leftoids using government money. It's deliberate anti white, anti good, anti beauty campaign. Not just "depression of unsatisfied individuals".

It's like if God decided to create the universe with omnipotence instead of coming down here and putting the effort to collaboratively shaping the universe through his will and actions.

>>24895229
who are "we" in this context? americans dont really have this stuff. when's the last time you saw replicas of greek statues made in real marble and cut with cnc machines?

>>24895217
A lot of the time the deeper meaning depends on the viewer's interpretation more than the artist. A lot of interpretation is pompous bullshit too. Artists duct tape a banana to a wall and idiots call it powerful. Take away the CNC from OP's photo and everyone on /pol/ would call it white excellence. Ultimately the end product is what you make of it, regardless of the artist or their intention.

>>24895168
This shit will never not be hilarious. The most iconic statue for blacks of all time is that retarded looking thing. its great

>>24895236
lol no it isn't

>>24895231
An interesting question. I want to say you should be able to, but ultimately it's down to personal preference. E.g. that CNC statue, as I've previously said, looks a bit too polished to me, even on a screen. But if you look at a hand-made piece, even the most well-made one like The Veiled Virgin or something of that caliber, it still has some imperfections. They aren't readily perceptible unless you're straight up looking for them, but their presence still adds a certain gravitas to the piece. In that way, the process itself adds to the result.

>>24895238
only 4chan can complain about using tech to reproduce artistic genius. honestly if i was at a restaurant and the entrance had cnc cut marble reproductions of greek statues i'd feel like i was in paradise.

>>24895235
Leftoids could push it as much as they want, but the people who adopt it fulfills that role of purpose and identity.

>>24895241
europeans are mentally ill. are you telling me that you wouldn't be happy if your city was full of beautiful immaculate cnc cut marble statues?

>>24895207
those stupid ass hands would fall off in a decade's time

>>24895244
That would depend on how it's implemented. A couple of designs copy-pasted everywhere? That would get dull real quick. Each one lovingly designed individually? That would be beyond awesome.

>>24895242
And that proves my earlier point. People don't really care about the human element, labor, etc. They see the end product, they're impressed by it, they may even complain about the slop element, but they will ultimately accept it.

>>24895157
All you "slop" talking faggots are about to get left in the dust of human progress.

>>24895212
You have to be the stupidest blackest gorilla nigger on earth to not understand that anon was joking. Nice reddit post you tremendous newfaggot

>>24895221
>binary retard insists faith is pointless but still gives it as an option
Ah, yes, "come be miserable like me and pretend you're happy." Excellent point, retarded faggot.

>>24895248
>progress slop posting
Wat. Progress yourself to an early grave with your given name on the headstone.