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There is no morally-consistent way to defend eating meat.
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>>24964605
Animals can turn things we can't eat into something we can
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I eat meat because it's tasty and I don't give a fuck what you think.
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>>24964605
many of these people are animals
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>>24964606
you can eat vegetables
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>>24964605
Because your moral is not everyone else's retard.

To me the ritual circumcision of infant is a sexual crime and a mutilation.
What are you doing to stop it?
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>>24964605
So?
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>>24964611
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>>24964609
that's not universal, however. there are places (and times) that cannot produce enough edible crops through agriculture to sustain the population
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>>24964605
There is.
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>>24964609
No, the nurses will stop you.
And really whats the point of giving oral to someone who cant feel it?
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>>24964605
>morally
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anti-meat consumption is pushed by marxist elites and their bleeding heart retards like OP. they want (you) to stop eating meat and stop driving cars to save da wurld, meanwhile they fly everywhere in private jets and eat as much steak and lobster as they can fit in their gullet. sage.
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it is optimal physiologically and it is evolutionarily/historically essential both for success and survival

that said, factory farming is an abomination. eat wild fish, anons
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>>24964605
I am an extremely important person, so my well-being takes priority over protecting the poor, crippled, children, animals, spastics who eat what I throw away, bums living in trash cans etc etc pp
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>>24964605
I don't need moral consistent argument to eat my delicious food
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>>24964610
I am morally invincible because I smell bad
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>>24964609
You know feed corn is not sweet cork and the entire plant is chopped up?
The vast majority of plant matter is inedible and impossible to break down for humans, cows convert starch and fibers into literal fat in their stomachs.

Growing vegetables takes a whole lot of work and resources, especially if you count how many calories you get out.
Cows can just be free to roam unfarmable land, no watering or fertilizers needed and the land will actually improve unlike current farming practices which kill the land long term.
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>>24964610
>>24964613
How many of these do you have?
Do you also have a bingo card with you?
What does cock taste like?
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>>24964605
Tell them how many animals and insects have to die to keep crop yields high
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>>24964605
It tastes good and is a complete protein. That is moral under my worldview
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>>24964618
i am vegetarian and walk and bike and use public transport... i recommend you do the same, it's much better for you and the environment
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>>24964625
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>>24964616
What an odd thing to say
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>>24964610
But my dog finding someone tasty would justify their murder i think.
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>>24964618
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>veganism
thats a lot of work to be an insufferable faggot
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>>24964609
No i can't
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>>24964605
Why do I have to defend something that you don't threaten?

[kabobs intensify]
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>>24964605
Do not care what you think. I will continue eating meat, and you cannot stop me
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>>24964619
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>>24964610
Based retard
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>>24964606
>Animals can turn things we can't eat into something we can
Perfect answer
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>List all arguments against your view
>Make a silly cartoon labeling them all 'old hat' and place them alongside absurd arguments that nobody makes
>Rebuke people for using the same (accurate) arguments against you
>Point at the fact that you've placed them alongside absurd arguments, therefore they're ALL absurd
>Claim victory
Very jewish.
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>>24964620
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>>24964632
Well im sure you are an expert on that, so tell how can i more efficiently be an insufferable faggot.
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>>24964605
There is no ethically consistent way to defend not eating meat. You are just emotionally stunted and upset at the fact that death exists. Something you should have learned to deal with when you were 6 and your goldfish died.
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>>24964629
>The joke
>Your head
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>>24964605
>There is no morally-consistent way to defend eating meat.
"It tastes good."
OP btfo because he knows fake meat tastes like shit
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It tastes good, therefore it is moral. If god wanted it to be immoral it would taste bad.
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>>24964624
those two are objectively retarded. I'm the injured party if my dog gets eaten, so I'm justified in responding to it, and subjectivity is subjective. it always makes sense
>>24964628
that one is a decent response to a retarded argument, but it still exposes a weakness of veganism: unless you kill yourself you can never be perfect, so why should we try to be just barely okay?`
>>24964640
petitio principii
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>>24964605
>morally consistent
With what
Some shit you made up
>uh, all morality is based on suffering as a universal value
That's literally a religion.

How about this

Morality is based on the prosperity of the human in-group.
Welp, there goes veganism. Since humans depend on animal products essential and inessential nutrients for the brain and body to fully develop, and this becomes increasingly relevant to the poorer and less educated, we must eat meat. Forever.

All you're really left with is "factory farms demonstrate poor moral character, create zoonotic diseases, and push the limits of how many animals a person can kill a day before they start going crazy"
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>>24964642
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humans are not optional carnivores in nature due to the caloric demand of the human brain
a vegan diet is not even possible for humans to do without supplement

a vegetarian one is possible
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>>24964605
>>24964610
Kek. You are fucking retarded.
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>>24964641
You chose a diet that is almost impossible to follow without getting literal brain damage without modern nutritional infographs and nutritional supplements requiring an industrialized civilization.
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>>24964610
You're not going to logic your way out of this one, queer
No amount of words and pictures you post will change my mind on the subject. Feel however you want about it.
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Why are you engaging with the vegan? You don't consider niggers to be human and actively call for the death of all Jews, why do you care about some retard trying to convince you a cow has rights?

Pig and cow blood coated bullets don't care about this Hindu nonsense, you shouldn't either.
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>>24964609
I can't eat grass and realistically you're not supposed to eat most vegetables. They have a lot of toxins.
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>>24964646
I have a bird and I assure you she is not frowning when she sees me eat chicken. She's trying to get a slice for herself
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>>24964605
The Bible says it's ok.
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>>24964625
Arguing on their terms is pointless because their moral system is invalid

For vegans, ALL assumed suffering has universal moral value
ALL life has universal moral value

This simply isn't true. Its just shitty hinduism/buddhism (aka hinduism lite). it is... a spiritual code of behavior.

Why do vegans say we must follow their rules? its usually
>So aliens don't eat us
Whatever. Literally gods punishing man for not following the religion, updated for sci-fi readers. Yama is now aliens in hinduveganism.
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/pol/ has never been ready for the vegetarian pill and never will be.

just remind them they are eating corpses and that "meat" is a euphemism they invented to cope with that fact.
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>>24964606
Eat grass to own the omnivore chuds
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>>24964648
You're just ChatGPT'ing this slop on the spot, aren't you?
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>>24964627
fuck off commie nigger, your opinion is less than worthless.

>>24964631
>I AM SILLY
leftists have no ground to stand on, your entire ideology is pushed by the very same people you claim to hate. the corporatists who would make serfs of us all won't stop eating meat despite saying how bad it is, so why should I?
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>>24964643
Jokes are funny
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>>24964605
there is nothing wrong with eating a biologically appropriate diet.
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>>24964653
I wish to eat only the most sacred cows.
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>>24964636

I appreciate your dedication and I agree that factory farming is a moral abomination

HOWEVER

survival is not a game that is ever done. your ability to survive is contingent upon the state of your mind and body. your ability to optimize your mind and body is contingent upon your diet. meat is brain food, especially fish. fish is also healthy for your body in other ways you cannot obtain equally with a vegan diet.

lastly, hell is being reborn into the ocean. when Jonah went into the sea he was described as descending into hell. hell is down below (below sea level?). heaven is for the birds.

when we eat fish we retrieve souls from hell.
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>>24964645
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>>24964611
Nothing. Circumcision is based.
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>>24964658
I kill my own livestock.

Oh nooo, corpses. It has never been more apparent you are shut in sheltered nerds trying to reinvent religion.
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Plants are sentient as well
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>>24964605
>morally-consistent
What? Yes there is. Are you retarded?
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Vegetarians are not escaping the fart sniffing alegations
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>>24964605
God I wish there was a way to filter faggot shitskins from the catalog.
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>>24964610
Life is disposable to me. Including my own.
You're operating under the false impression that "life" is precious and meaningful.
Its not. It's merely a self propagating organism.
The purpose of life, is to create more life.
That life is sustained by consuming life.
Most life consumed by life has no inkling that it is even "alive"
There is effectively no difference between an onion, and a cow as far as sentience goes.
One is just cuter to some.
The basis of your argument boils down more to how cute you personally think something is, rather than their actual objective perception of the world.
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>>24964605
I don’t care about engaging in debates about morals with sanctimonious fags. Enjoy your grass
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>>24964605
Are animals self owners? If they are, can they also own property? Is it unethical to build a house on top of an ant hill or in the territory of some animal? Is farming an act of aggression against moles and worms? I'm open to arguments for these things, but I also don't see how civilization or even humanity could continue without acts of aggression against animals.
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Fun fact:
Consuming human meat is okay under veganism as it only protects animals which can't consent, humans can.
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>>24964666
You can't eat the cow without killing it you fucking moron. How else would you get the meat?
Seriously you need to kill yourself immediately.
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>>24964677
biolab meat growth. It's just a clump of cells. If vegans allow abortion then this is fine as well.
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>>24964649
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>>24964666
>the vegan classic: WUT IF IT WUZ A DOG OR A GORILLA OR
Not all animals have the same worth. Not the same species, not the same value. Not the same relationship with the human psyche or material reality.

Did you know? Deer hunters do not demonstrate an elevated crime rate. Abusing a dog once on the other hand correlates with one. It's almost like the animal selectively bred to exhibit empathy signals is different from the one that you need to draw cartoons of to try and get people to like.

One is a social carnivore, like man
The other is what man is configured to eat

People ate dogs in the past but it always had spiritual significance or was practiced by people already accustomed to cannibalism (ie: the chinese)
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>>24964662
And that one was hilarious. You just didn't get it.
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>>24964668
Not only a corpse-eater, but a murderer. Good job anon! Are you going to tell me you have sex with the animals too and it's OK? Because objectively speaking, that is less of an evil act than murdering them ( or "slaughtering" them, another euphemism corpse-eaters invented to cope with their crime).
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>>24964677
Cows are not sentient.
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>>24964605
Sure is. Avoiding suffering is impossible and causes more suffering, just deferred. It's empathetic cowardice; an inability to think rationally due to being emotionally hijacked. An anthropomorphized retard rhetoric by people who fundamentally lack critical thinking skills who pretend that the experience of others are analagous to themselves, despite many of the things they project on lacking the fundamental structures for shared experience, based on reductionist hand wringing in lieu of anything resembling a real argument.
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>>24964678
Tastes like shit
>>24964684
Exactly so therefore eating them isn't wrong.
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>>24964679
>"You're a monster!!!!"
Thanks? Your revulsion means a lot to me.
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>>24964605
>morally-consistent
Morality is not a suitable substitute for nature. Cro-Magnon is an apex predator. Neanderthal are necrophages. Niggers n jeets eat deep fried poop and nachos. How bout you do you and leave the West alone or we will hang your skull on a lampost.
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>>24964682
He hasn't mentioned moral relativism or anything similar, stop projecting your broken worldview onto others.
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>>24964605
I need the protein and nutrients meat provides or I will fall behind my male rivals, me staying strong and ahead of the pack is more important than your morals, I will not handicap myself for your approval.
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>>24964682
Murdering only applies to PEOPLE.

>Are you going to tell me you have sex with the animals too and it's OK?
No, sexual abuse of lesser lifeforms is a demonstration of poor moral character, same as torturing them needlessly.

Two things can be true:
An animals treatment affects your "moral credit score"
An animal has no innate moral value like a person. It is not a contract forming member of hte moral order.

Additionally:
Not all animals are the same
I can, and have, slaughtered cattle amongst each other. They don't react.
What would dogs do?
Chimps?
Different animals are, in fact, different, and therefore have varying worth.

This dual nature is typical of objects, even inanimate ones
It is WRONG to steal a car
It is NOT WRONG to destroy a car
A car is worth MORE than a wooden cart.
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>>24964656
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>>24964648
>I have no argument so here is a cartoon that does not address the issue at all
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>>24964605
Meat is good and more efficient than veggies.
>umm, excuse me heckin' chud, but MY morality is objective and and...
kek
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>>24964658
>the vegetarian pill
vegans have been coping about corpses, bee vomit, udder secretions, and chicken menses for longer than you've been alive. it's really all the same, vegetarians are just a little more retarded and hypocritical
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>>24964684
>>24964686
cows are sentient, all animals are as are arguably single cell microorganisms
cows are not sapient and thus fine to eat.
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>>24964692
Oh here comes the AI jeets.
KYS fagot.
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>>24964692
The bible doesn't give permission. It explicitly tells people to kill animals, and which animals to kill.

Valid morality:
The creator of the universe dispenses.
A contract is formed between beings that are capable.
You have the rights you secure.

Invalid morality:
"I say morals are based on suffering. Anything that is inconsistent with my system is wrong." - A human dispenses, a human can be thrown in a pit to starve, who cares? Pseudo-spiritually is not valid.
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>morals
I was actually vegan for 4 or 5 years because of "morals". I also opposed war, thought trooning out was a valid choice because "muh freedom", and gave out food to the homeless.
Now don't get me wrong, I still value as much animal welfare as we can afford, and l don't think we should execute trannies, and I'm glad we have resources for the homeless who want to get back on their feet. And obviously I wouldn't want to just go to war for no reason.
But come on. At a certain point I had to drop the act. We're all going to die. Moralizing is just an idea, gender and mercy are just ideas. Food is real. Being male is a fact about someone. Get out of your head and enjoy the planet before you die too.
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>>24964682
>but a murderer
You can't commit homicide against an animal.
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>>24964605
It's morally justified to eat meat as long as the animal has had a good life. The animal's trade off for living at all, is being eaten at the end of it
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>>24964696
Not true. They changed the definition, which now applys to plants as well.
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>>24964605
Ok.
Im still gonna eat meat.
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>>24964696
You literally do not know what sentience means.
A cow can't pass the mirror test it doesn't even know what it is.
Just a dumb animal that exists for US to eat.
You don't like it? Choke down some grass and fuck off. Adults are talking.
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>>24964605
define "morality"
where does morality come from?
is it moral for me to die and suffer illness in order to avoid eating meat?
do animals have the same moral standards towards their own food source?

its not moral for man to make himself to animals and allow his own well being to be jeopardized against themselves.

a prey animal wont show you the same consideration in the wild, much less a predator.

>inb4 but you're not an animal
that's right, i'm a man, and as a man I determine what's in my best interest for my life, not an animal nor another man that tries to enslave me to HIS/HER corrupted morality.

if we are equals, then you wont try to bring me under subjugation to your morality, we will live in peace with each other.
but if you think yourself my superior, to impose your morality on me, then you are my enemy, not my equal, and your destruction is justified.
and if you are my inferior, your opinions on whats morally right is irrelevant, you are no different than an animal, to be subjugated and done away with if you become a threat to my life and liberty.

so what is it?
are you my equal, and will leave me be? or are you an enemy?
remember, this thread was your own doing.
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>>24964605
>There is no morally-consistent way to defend eating meat.

Alright, what do you do with all the domesticated animals once we stop eating meat?

You kill them all? Wow, you really did that species a favor. You keep them all as pets effectively enslaving humanity to them for no benefit to themselves? That doesn't seem like a good bargain.

How about this. You keep the animals, feed them, water them, shelter them, protect them from other predators, give them medical care to keep them healthy and in exchange you get to eat them? The animals get to live and be protected and the humans get to eat their delicious meat. Seems like a fair deal to me.
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Death does not the same meaning to creatures incapable of higher thought as it does to humans. There is nothing morally wrong with humane raising and slaughtering practices against creatures who will not truly comprehend their own doom. This is especially the case because contrary to the junk science behind vegan studies, meat is necessary for proper human function. Every child raised vegan turns out malnourished for a reason.
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>>24964704
>You literally do not know what sentience means.
That would be you, actually. Confusing sentience with sapience like the poorly educated mutt you all are
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>>24964692
I'm going to eat chicken tonight.
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>>24964704
no offense, but cows that can't pass the mirror test are probably still more sentient than muttoids who don't know what sentience is
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>>24964682
>Are you going to tell me you have sex with the animals too and it's OK
I forgot leftists have no notion of dignity.
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>>24964684
>>24964696
they are obviously conscious and there is moral weight to killing them. The only logical way out of this is to accept it as the fact it is. Sometimes we kill to get our way, that is what happens on Earth.
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Reminder that animals for most of their lives feel nothing and when they do feel something it is most likely abject terror as they try to flee from a predator.

Life in nature is torture and by killing them we are releasing them from their torment.
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>>24964605
>morally-consistent
Since this is a hindu jeet let me remind you that the Vedas tell you to eat meat, Rudra (Shiva) was a hunter and ate meat. So too was Arjuna, Krishna's best friend, a hunter that ate meat. Therefore, your high moral ground in fact prescribes meat.
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Rudolf Hess and Hitler with both vegetarians. There literally couldn't be a better endorsement.
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>>24964704
>sentience
>root word sense
a cow can sense things around it, it has eyes, ears, a brain and nerve system. It can react to what it senses thus is sentience.
Go look up the definition of sentience. You are using it wrong and should use sapience instead.
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>>24964605
Animals being animals is fine.
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>>24964699
check my trips btw
My position is the only correct one
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>>24964609
What would we fertilise the crops with now that we don't have access to manure? What should we do with all the byproducts of vegetable farming that we can't eat like husks?
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OP has failed and abandoned the thread.
Typical and pathetic.
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>>24964710
Playing linguistic retard games is analagous to pretending to be retarded. Either you know better and are being overly semantic, which is retarded, or you dont know better, and therefore retarded.

The Retard's Tautology, as it were.
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I don't need to defend it, I simply do it. Defend yourself breathing right now.
>Morally consistent
Where do these morals come from? God? You? Nature? Some abstract "philosophy"?
Define your morals in any way or you can't make this claim.
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>>24964605
I'm going to murder you and eat you, faggot. In real life, not in Minecraft.
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>>24964666
Cheeseburgers for dinner tonight. Solely because of this thread. You killed the cow, and the pig for the bacon. They both died because of you and you must now kill yourself.
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>>24964605
>There is no morally-consistent way to defend eating meat.
I dont care what those who were trained by jews to think like goycattle think, say or do. So when I bite into meat, I think, the jews havent figured out a way to take this and make it fake and gay goyslop.
So the God damned synagogue of satan and all their pieces of shit working for them can tongue my meat eating anus performing the human bidet action they are barely qualified for.
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>>24964712
There really isn't moral weight to killing them

There's moral weight to torturing them, because struggle and screaming predate consciousness yet interact with it and what should be your innate dislike of those things.`
There's moral weight to killing them to throw them away, because it's a massive waste of resources. Animals are huge investments.

But killing them to eat them? Nah. They really dont have that much value.
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>>24964689
It doesn't matter that he hasn't mentioned it, it's still relevant.

White people keep animals for their milk, wool, eggs. These products can be taken from an animal completely without pain or murder. Eggs and milk contain the only thing you can't get from plants which is b12.

The most ironic part is how corpse eaters living in the west look at the atrocities of dog corpse eaters in China. Truly pathetic to think they can pick and choose which corpse is OK to eat and which one isn't.

There is no excuse for eating corpses unless you are starving. That is a fact.
>>24964711
So not answering the question?
How can you morally justify stealing an animal from its parents while young, imprisoning it, raping it via artificial insemination, taking its own young, then killing it when it no longer suits your purposes, but having sex with it is such a terrible evil to you?

Look at how your society crumbles, western man. The blood of billions of innocent animals is on your hands and you are being punished and you will only continue to be punished.
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y'all niggas is conversationalizing with a robot
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>>24964605
Animals are not moral agents and don't deserve rights. At best, the value an animal has is relative to the investment of its owner.
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>>24964605
The most vegan country in the world is India.
That all you need to know to judge veganism.
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>>24964605

>morality
>eating animals
the two are not correlated at all. Your pilpul magiks don't work here.
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>>24964605
Do as thou wilt
t. Homosexual satanist
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>>24964722
morals come from who has the most force. The government can force you to do what it wants thus the government is always perfectly morally correct.
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We are just DNA replicating, animals don't feel pain once they are dead. They would be not alive in the first place if we didn't breed them.

I am also an atheist so eat pork regularly.
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incel thread
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>>24964605
i eat meat because meat taste good
i will continue to eat meat no matter what you say
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>>24964605
being morally consistent is for cuckolds
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>>24964605
It tastes good
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>>24964719
why are you asking? you can't have manure if you kill the cow
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>>24964605
No, it's simple - animals are not humans. Therefore, their lives don't matter. Period.
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>>24964610
>It's merely your body telling you something's good and you enjoying it, CHUD
What's the actual argument here for vegantards again? I know they're gonna do a false equivalency, strawman, and non-seq all in one with this one but what was their argument for you supposedly needing to fight against what your body wants every day of your life?

Their ideal is that I eat no meat by the way and more than 95% of vegans drop out, so clearly it's so miserable that they can't even do it.
>>24964733
Ah okay I can discard whatever you're saying now.
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>>24964605
>There is no morally-consistent way to defend eating meat.
Eating is not a moral question so no defense of eating meat is required.
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>>24964741
Yet you still can't refute my logic thus you have lost.
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I kill my own animals.
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>>24964696
No... instinctual Maybe, but they are definitely not sentient. Sentience would imply a sense of tomorrow, or recognition of events near them, that could affect them.
I have personally seen cows shot, in the herd with all their little cow buddies standing around, hauled up and butchered right in front of them. Not some sadistic thing, just hired a mobile butcher.
The biggest reaction was when they jumped hearing the gun shots.
Cows are definitely not sentient.
Pigs are. I won't eat pigs, for that reason.
But fuck you if im not gonna eat cows, chickens, reptiles, fish, etc.
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If we dont eat the animals they'll just eat each other
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>>24964743
What argument, anon who had not read Critique of Pure Reason or any philosophy at all?
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>>24964705
>>24964722
>>24964729
>I can't define morality
>I don't have morals
>Animals aren't moral
>Therefore your morality wrt animals doesn't apply to me
Jfc you mutts are useless debaters
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>>24964740
I had a maltese that is more human than you. Lived 15 years and clung to life. His IQ was probably 80.
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>>24964605

conservative cattle ranchers treat their livestock more humanely than unwanted liberal pregnancies. Your argument is invalid.
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>>24964605
As with most modern bullshit non debates the most complete rebuttal is a quick punch in the mouth
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>>24964745
i have the opposite experience. swine are too busy fighting each other while riding the conveyor belt to the chainsaw. larger mammals usually seem to have more emotion when they are about to be killed
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>>24964745
Are you literally this retarded? You keep confusing sentience with sapience.

And yes, you should eat meat, including pigs, as bacon is delicious.
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>>24964749
No, he wasn't. He may have been a loyal companion to you, but the reality is - his life doesn't matter. Only human lives do, and not even all human lives.
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>>24964609
More animals die harvesting vegetables than harvesting meat. If vegetarians actually cared about animals they'd stop killing all the little cute animals that call their vegetable fields home, and they'd become meat eaters. Vegetarians are the most inhumane people alive today.
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>>24964727
I don't know how to explain the concept of zoophilia being undignified to the person if you don't have the concept in your head already, you seem indian or leftist so I suppose there's no use explaining the concept.
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>>24964605

Why are 12 year old girls the sexiest and sentient organisms the tastiest?

This world is just a fucking loosh farm man...
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>>24964749
Eating shit is actually a high IQ move. Germans are basically like dogs in this regard.
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>>24964726
There's just no way to see that arguement through. Morality is not a fact about the world, it's an idea, and that means it follows certain rules, like being consistent. You've said that torturing an animal has moral weight but killing it does not, unless you waste it. That just doesn't work at every given timestep. If you kill it but then the world ends, you didn't have time to waste it or not, does that make the moral weight indeterminate? How can what you do with the corpse alter the weight of what you did to the live animal? It might balance the tradeoff, but a balance is made of two weights.
It's ok for it to have moral weight, it doesn't mean cows are suddenly important to the real world.
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>>24964605
Subhuman carnists don't want to hear the truth.
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>>24964755
didn't ask
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>>24964754
Not seeing the spark of intelligence in an animal you raised from birth is a sign that you just might be the nigger's nigger.
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>>24964747
Once the government mandates the reading of philosophy I will do so. The government is always the arbitrator of morality. To say anything else is heretical. Are you a heretic? Shall I report you to be purged?
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>>24964605
who's gonna stop us?
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>>24964755
>retard forgets that cattle eats, too
Fucking hell
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>>24964605
vegan diet is malnutrition but I wouldnt expect a malnourished jeet to understand much of anything
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>>24964765
>cows eat vegetables
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>>24964665

THIS
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>>24964763
I am a necron, therefore heretical, not not a heretic since there is no impetus that I obey ol' emp, which is also the counter argument to your initial position.
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>>24964691
This nigga 100% fuckes his livestock
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>>24964636
Every single one of those plants is only viable as food because the inedible parts get fed to animals.
Vegans are retarded. They think a farmer will grow a plant like wheat, harvest 1% of the plant and throw 99% of the plant away. No, you turn that into hay bales and you feed cows, then you eat the cows.
Every time you buy any vegan food, you are supporting the meat industry.
I suppose this is why there are monks who only eat fruit that fell from a tree, because that's the only way you can eat plants without supporting meat.

Idiot retards who don't know anything about anything have a lot of opinions. Meat production and plant production are inseparable. You need the farm animals to eat the inedible or damaged plants, you need the plants to eat the animal shit. You can't have one without the other.
Vegans are literally retarded.
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OP see here>>24964665
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>>24964605
Vegans should be killed too, not just the livestock
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>>24964762
single cell slime mold is intelligent, it can solve mazes and even do simple math, which most animals can't do. Hate to tell you but everything you eat is intelligent.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OBYqSr-c6Ks
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>>24964746
>don’t kid yourself billy
>if a cow ever got the chance it’d eat you and your entire family
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>>24964605
From utilitarian moral it's easy.
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>>24964769
XENO! YOU SHALL BE PURGED!
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If I could survive off of plants and vegetables, that would be really nice. I don't like hurting animals. Unfortunately it's just not viable. I've tried going off a diet of leafy greens, beans for protein, avocados for fat, etc. Unfortunately it always made me sick because I wasn't getting the proper nutrients, and synthesized garbage in a lab meant to replace meat (aka tofu and vegan alternatives to meat) only made it worse.

I dunno what to tell you. Best thing I can do is kill the animals quickly and humanely, and use all of their body without wasting anything. If an alien species ate me, I would ask for the same courtesy. A quick shot to the head to instantly kill me, and then use all of my body. Grind my bones to make bonemeal for your alien farms or whatever.
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>>24964778
did you get a lab test to find what you were deficient in? the only thing i can think of that a vegan would struggle with is b12. and frankly, even meat eaters struggle with that because modern farming has depleted soil so much that cattle can't synthesize enough b12 themselves
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>>24964743
There was no argument, I disagree with your morality therefore there's nothing for us to discuss.
>>24964748
No argument once again.
When someone starts a thread with "morally" they have to define said morals very specifically, if they don't no argument has taken place.
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>>24964605
There is no morally-consistent way to defend posting on 4chan
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>>24964777
Good luck, have fun with that.
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>>24964665
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>veganism isn't politics!!!!
>but black dick spam and Charlie Kirk getting killed is!!!
tranny pedophile dilation mods
41% nigger fuckers
Peter Thiel's cocksleeves
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>Moved to /bant/
Vegantards lose again lmao, the janny has power over you so he's morally right.
Eating brisket and cheddar cheese right now.
>>24964791
Cry about it. Veganism is over as a movement and it actually isn't politics.
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>>24964794
>jews pushing veganism on white and only white people trying to kill them isn't politics, bro
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>>24964797
The vegan movement is dead and young people have started eating raw meat, so it is a pretty dead movement. Actually died like 5-10 years ago, even.
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>>24964794
>being on the same side as the tranny jannies
oh no no no no
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>>24964802
you're fucking with the wrong people's chicken tendies and pepperoni hot pockets
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>>24964759
He’a right and it works. Humans are in a behavioural hygiene contract with other humans. Morals are contracts in absence of gods and magic. Waste is wrong. Practicing and desensitizing yourself so you can have an easier time harming people is wrong. These acts violate the implicit social contract wherein everyone works together to maintain a world that benefits us instead of an invisible magical principle some faggot shit out to justify an idea he already had after watching bambi and babe too many times.

The vegans contract is just inferior to ours. Every single time, limiting meat enough makes the lower classes extremely weak and stupid and the upper classes degenerate just enough to lose control. They all agree to prioritize the assumed feelings of animals and judgement of invisible gods who agree with them over their own well being. To no ones surprise their well being craters.
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>>24964806
jej
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>>24964797
Veganism was invented by british occultists.
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>>24964631
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>>24964692
what program are people using to generate these weird two-panel comics with a gorillion itemized lists and propaganda posters scattered throughout the image? i see this shit everywhere.
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>>24964816
Yes, as a way to push eating animal food to jeets so british can eat meat and be strong while their jeet slaves live shitty short lives on vegan ''food''
jews took a strategy brits used to keep jeets subservient and they pushed it on white people
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>>24964605
>Veganism
I have no problem with Vegetarians and subtly agree with them that some day it would be better to eat food without killing animals, but Vegans are pretentious niggers who entirely miss the point and think malnourishing themselves by abstaining from milk (something even actual vegetarian animals need to partake in during their development) somehow makes them morally superior to Vegetarians.
Meat or no meat, you're a faggot.
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>>24964822
It was invented by and FOR white people. Hitler was a fan. They honestly believed there was some spiritual purity to it and copied the aryan rulers of india.

It turns out no. It takes a lot of horror in the worlds shittiest factory farm to harm the human soul. Livestock are not like other animals. Their lives are actually less consequential than dogs and cats. But they are still animals. Its a line we have to recognize. An easy one to ignore for the rich and pampered.

Today vegans are ironically basically propagandists for factory farming. They overfocus on factory farms so people end up seeing a false dichotomy between not eating meat and accepting tyson inc battery hens.
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>>24964605
If I enjoyed it the animal didn't die in vain.
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I don't need to defend it; what the fuck are vegans gonna do? Pansies.
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>>24964605
Jesus fed his disciples fish after He resurrected. God told Noah he could eat all the animals and further narrowed it down for Moses.
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>>24964605
I will keep eating meat, I made chicken spaghetti for supper. I won't try to justify it using morals or ethics cause I can't eat those



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