How many e-Christians actually believe or think about this shit? Or even understand what that is?How many e-Christians are full blown heretics riding age old heresies? Yes Christianity is very easy if you do not read the bible and know nothing about its theology or decide on a heresy. I know what these things mean and I know where e-Christians break.PS: That one e-christian who thinks god is an anime girl that talks to him does not apply that is simply weeb/anime crazy.
Niggers didn't ruin Detroit, NESTORIANS did. Get the facts right
>>25010008Where do nigger-loving protestants that get raped by Moroccans fit in these theological debates?
>>25010008it's hillarious that timmycels destroyed greco-roman civilization and argued about these meaningless made up bullshits for centuries. it's all fake you fucking retards.
>>25010009>NESTORIANSWhat?
if you believe even for a split second jesus would have ever cared about any of those theosophical minutiae you are a complete retard.the only thing they achieved was making europeans kill each other for 2000 years
>>25010008Whats an "e-Christian"? Is this a legit thing or is this just another brand of "Christians who i disagree with"
>>25010013>if you believe even for a split second jesus would have ever cared about any of those theosophical minutiae you are a complete retard.>the only thing they achieved was making europeans kill each other for 2000 years
>>25010011>it's all fake you fucking retards.This is what you get if you take the autistic chris-chan levels of schizo bullshit the schizo jesus did in the bible seriously.Like him talking to himself! PS: The shit that is in the bible is actually more crazy it is literally>Not my will father be done!>However MY WILL (jesus and the father are the same)PS2: My fav one is >Jesus is 2 persons = WRONGAnd going>Jesus has 2 natures divine and human = TRUELike YIKES that is insanity territory and painting yourself into a corner!
>>25010013I ask you once again. Why do you jamboys like to eat shit?
o-okay, senpai!
>>25010008At least we can all agree Jesus wanted all of his followers to hate each other for loving him the wrong ways.
>>25010012They call them coons, they call them toads, I say we call them nestorians, the big N.
>>25010013europeans like discovering truth and being precise.and do you not think that the difference between Christ being divine in mortal flesh and Christ being fully man and fully God in the same person has MASSIVE implications for how religion, life, and truth are understood and acted out?
>>25010008You left out the crowning heresy of the entire religion:>Jesus wants your worshipAnd with that, you have buried the Good News for millennia and betrayed everything you claim to represent.All for the pride of "being the ones who were right".
>>25010014>Whats an "e-Christian"Basically Christians on the internet.All debates with e-Christians end after you ask them the last time they where at church or tell them to go to church and tell everyone their theological ideas.it is using the old e- to mean internet. The most interesting thing about e-Christians is that>They argue endlessly online and are terminally online>They never go to church or talk to other Christians IRLThis is because they are peddling totally non christian ideas(or ultra marginal Christian positions) that get them excommunicated from IRL churches.
>>25010008>this is what the most brilliant minds of rome were forced to discuss
>>25010019>At least we can all agree Jesus wanted all of his followers to hate each other for loving him the wrong ways.You joke however there is a bible passage from jesus about this subject: >“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.Luke 14:26The bible is hardcore and crazy especially the new testament! > for loving him the wrong ways.Do I name all the anti-Christs and false disciples and teacher the bible lists? And tells us to watch out for?PS: Do you want to know my fav bible contradiction in the new testament?
>>25010023>tfw you have disdain for people who value open discourse on a topic>And you tell them to go in the room with the people who memorize dogma and pound their head against a wallThe stubbornness of Christians is not virtue, its degeneracy.Just another aspect of pride.
>>25010008>That one e-christian who thinks god is an anime girl that talks to him does not apply that is simply weeb/anime crazy.Are you talking about christchan? I always hated that stupid fucking meme.
>>25010021why would god need or want to be worshipped
>>25010026The point is that you the e-Christian are some idiot who made up his mind about some things and are literally a chris-chan level basement dweller only posting your bullshit online.Daily reminder that chris-chan is also a christian and has her(troon) own branch of Christianity! Literally the only difference is that you are smart enough to hide everything about your personal life and not post it online. Over 99% of real life Christians oppose you and your HERESIES! >who memorize dogma and pound their head against a wall99% of chrisitans have no idea what the bible says.>memorize dogma99.999% of them did not>memorize dogmaAs opposed to what? making shit up? Forgetting who your god is? Not remembering anything that is Christianity over the ages and making up your own ignorant shit?
>>25010025>You jokeI stopped going to church after seeing multiple churches go through drama and fractures over disagreements on what their chosen translation of their chosen version of the Bible actually meant, so I don’t joke. This kind of horseshit is what drove me away from organized religion.>Do you want to know my fav bible contradiction in the new testament?Please
Are you guys monophysites? Let me tell you, Jesus has TWO NATURES. He BOTH sucked other men's dick AND he SIMULATANEOUSLY had his dick sucked by other men.I am willing to go to war over this.
>>25010008>nooo you cant have slightly different opinions on vague shit that doesn't matter at all! we must kill thousands of white people!!
>>25010008There are 5 hypocrisies in this image alone. No wonder christcucks are so mentally ill.
>>25010027>I always hated that stupid fucking meme.No there is some christian on /pol/ who will debate you and if the subject shows up he proclaims that God talks to him and is an anime girl form project touhou or some shit you can find him by looking up the archive for the phrase>god is an anime girlAnd this is unironic, he will literally debate you for hours and then this shit shows up.
>>25010008>Jesus was human that means the 2nd commandment doesnt apply anymoreand thats where the rot set inMatthew 19:17If you would enter life, keep the commandments.
I don't see the issue, the logic on the right is coherent and consistent
>>25010030>PleasePictured.Circumcision YES or NO?The same guy says* opposing things!jesus has no opinion! Like try to square that one! I really do not give a shit how many angels are at the resurrection of jesus or how many woman are this shit is impossible to resolve! *He does not say that he simply goes>Ok so lets circumcise you Timothy!And does it and of story subject is never returned to! Like WOW.>I stopped going to church after seeing multiple churches go through drama and fractures over disagreements on what their chosen translation of theiYou are wrong and they are right.>How dare you disagree about what text to worship!>If the NU++ Bible says that you must be gay to enter heaven who are we to tell it is wrong!>Stop spreading devision!PS: The NIV actually removes parts of the bible and this is a known fact. It is some irrelevant bullshit however it changes the text.PS: Did you know the protestants removed 7 entire books form the original bible? And all of their reduced bibles have only 66 books instead of the catholic 73?How is that for SOLA SCRIPTURA?!>Sola scriptura only of the books I did not throw out of the bible!
>>25010008Jesus literally says God is greater than him.
>>25010008All of them who've been catechized.
>>25010029>If you have independent thoughts, you're just like Chris-chan!Fuck you bro. That's so fucking pathetic, lol.
>>25010028because God wants to be in a loving relationship with humans. he is the creator of the universe and the best way for us to love him is to worship him.
>>25010022"Except he he eats my flesh and drinks my blood, he has no life in him."
>>25010032paganism is an internet larp. meanwhile i can visit my local church which thousands of people attend every sunday.
>>25010032See: >>25010037Yes it is irrelevant bullshit.This is what happens if you take ULTRA MEGA SERIOUSLY a book of schizophrenic bullshit(bible) literally all the shit jesus does makes perfect sense if you remember he is only a crazy schizo.>nooo you cant have slightly different opinions on vague shitActually you are wrong and this is how you get pagans who are pro gay and other degenerates. If you do not keep 100% of your founding virtues then you will degenerate.Only Christians decided that the most important part is talking about jesus in the right way... based not on any instructions he has given however based on Christians asserting extreme monotheism and trying to decipher things from his bullshit talks.
>>25010036Explain to me how this can work>Jesus is 2 persons = WRONGAnd going>Jesus has 2 natures divine and human = TRUEI like to see this.
>>25010045>A car painted with two colors is two different cars.
>>25010038>Jesus literally says God is greater than him.OK however jesus and the father are the same GOD.You square this one for me.
>>25010047The son is begotten of the father.
>>25010041>and the best way for us to love him is to worship him.Completely wrong, you stupid piece of shit.Worship is masturbation, period.You want to please "God"? Bring more of his energy into the world.What's his energy? GOODNESS.STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO NOT DO GOOD."HE" DOESN'T GIVE A SHIT THAT YOU SUCK HIS COCK!>>25010042I never heard Jesus say that.Will you lie to say that you have?
>>25010040>Fuck you broIs chris-chan a christian?Are you?Are chris-chan ideas totally different from the ideas of mainstream Christians?Are yours?See?!
>>25010049You've never heard Jesus say anything because you weren't alive in 30 AD, which means that any idea you have of him that isn't what was documented is imaginary.
>>25010046>A car painted with two colorsExplain what a nature is then.And how this works for jesus? I know the heresies and all of them mare infinetly more sense than whatever all these councils painted into the corner.
>>25010049i think you're confused. doing good in the world is a type of worship to God.
>>25010052is this really so hard to understand? Jesus is both 100% Divine and 100% Human at the same time,
>>25010052It's a way of being. He was divine in that he was the son of God, the angel of the lord who appeared before Moses on Mt. Sinai.He's human because he was literally born from a human woman, and had a human body with human bodily functions and needs.Both are the same guy.
>>25010048>The son is begotten of the father.Yet they are the same god?>>25010038>ONE GOD WORSHIPI know that polytheism is cringe however all of this nonsense makes sense if you simply become a polytheist christian. There literally is nothing against polytheism in the bible. >REEE MUH 10 COMMANDMENTSIt literally says >You shall have no other gods before me.So you can have other gods only YHWH is the god #1Funny how monotheism is something Christians made up and insist on.
>>25010051>You've never heard Jesus say anything because you weren't alive in 30 ADYes, welcome to my point, idiot.That's exactly the reason why ultimate truth isn't gonna be "a message from some prophet".Its part of the universe itself, so the prophets are just the ones who can see it.That's why its such a fuck-up that you worship Jesus so much while ignoring EVERYTHING he taught...>>25010053A christian's least favorite, being the least prideful and masturbatory.
>>25010042>"Except he he eats my flesh and drinks my blood, he has no life in him."literally or figuratively?
that one e-christian sounds based
>>25010057>A christian's least favorite, being the least prideful and masturbatory.okay you're not even arguing with what i said anymore, just huffing and puffing that you don't like it
>>25010054>at the same time,How does any of that make any sense?Moments before it was>>25010046>Bro it is like painting a car 2 colors!So therefore> THE CAR is both 100% YELLOW PAINTED and 100% RED PAINTED at the same time,And now I see you are only repeating the allowed words that the Catholics told you to repeat!
>>25010055>the angel of the lordAre you a Jehovah Witness?> and had a human body with human bodily functions and needs.I think the classic question is if jesus can even be tempted or sin since god can not and a human can.
>>25010060Calling good deeds "worship" is an insult to good deeds.You've only rationalized that so you can draw some comparison between your masturbation and actual good.If you're not doing good, you're a no-good.
>>25010056>Funny how monotheism is something Christians made up and insist on.God is One and 3 persons.the commandment was given because the nations were given to the sons of God and started to deceive humans to worship them instead of God.thats the problem of polytheism, you rob God of his glory.
>>25010057How can one ignore what he taught if it's impossible to know what he taught because someone wrote it down and that's not good enough to be considered knowledge? There's nothing else to go on.>>The son is begotten of the father.>Yet they are the same god?Yeah. 3 persons, one God.>>25010061>analogies aren't perfect, bro, that means one guy was two people at the same time!
>>25010049Your posts don't really seem to be doing much good
>>25010061the car was an analogy because you seem to have a hard time understanding that one thing can have two descriptions at the same time. >>at the same time>How does any of that make any sense?I can't understand it for you. Do you have a specific logical objection that i can address?
>>25010008Flandre is the christian God. No doubt. And also my wife. Pic related is AI generated btw.
>>25010045Jesus is the Soul of God inhabiting human flesh, saying these are two different persons is like claiming your body and your soul are two persons
>>25010063>Calling good deeds "worship" is an insult to good deeds.no, it is not. actually, it is elevating and doing honor to "good deeds" because we are saying they are a form of worship, which is the greatest thing one can do when directed at God.
>>25010064>God is One and 3 persons
>>25010062>Are you a Jehovah Witness?You've never read the old testament.>I think the classic question is if jesus can even be tempted or sin since god can not and a human can.No, the temptation to sin is a spiritual disposition, not a consequence of having a human body.
>>25010058>>"Except he he eats my flesh and drinks my blood, he has no life in him.">literally or figuratively?If you really start thinking about it the bible can be a far more darker and more black metal based religion. I mean the themes of christieanity are very dark if you think about it:Cannibalism (only Christians censor this)https://youtu.be/fj4cdAb_DZc?t=121Also the themes of the new testament are basically a incel looser (jesus) getting hated and rejected by everyone.“‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; ” Mark 12:10It would have far more in common with some 1980s movie about satanism then anything your pastor is shilling.https://youtu.be/fj4cdAb_DZc?t=127
>>25010071>doesnt know that God is a mysteryalso your pic is stupid. you are subject to justice if you are not under mercy which God in the flesh provided.under justice your soul dies for the transgressions against God.
>>25010064>God is One and 3 persons.WTF does this even mean?I know you are repeating the allowed phrases by your clergy! >3 personsThis literally means that you have 3 GODS.1 person = 1 god!
>>25010064Do you believe that God died for your sins?
>>25010008I kind of see how belief in a god can beneficial for mental health as it just let's you externalize parts of your subconscious as a separate person. And that can be very useful for some things (I did that recently without a god). But pic related really reminds me of the original problem I had of ego building up complex mental constructs that turned into a giant prison. From that perspective it is easy for me to see that people who believe this shit are 99% deeply unhappy. A happy person with a belief in christianity doesn't read the bible doesn't consider any of the deeper implications. It is just a vague feel good "I am a good person" kind of thing.
>>25010074>doesnt know that God is a mysteryYet you ding dongs claim to know his nature, thoughts and actions>>25010074>you are subject to justiceGood. As everyone should be >under justice your soul dies for the transgressions against God.You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinions
>>25010058The eucharistic mystery. It's literal, but nobody can possibly know how, for the same reason that nobody can know how Christ walked on water or multiplied bread.
>>25010008im not a christian but the politics, organisation and history are pretty cool esp the councills
>>25010073there is no cannibalism and calling Jesus an incel looser is insane. repent.>>25010075God is One meaning all 3 persons agree with one another and do the same work.I know your reprobate brain doesnt understand this mystery.>>25010076yes. thats the entire point. that his blood was spilled in place of mine.
>>25010065>>analogies aren't perfectI asked you to explain WTF that even mean!Now you are not answering!>>analogies aren't perfectOh I know all the theology especially modalism https://youtu.be/KQLfgaUoQCw?t=5
>>25010078>Yet you ding dongs claim to know his nature, thoughts and actionsYou can't know that of any person. You can only approximate. You wouldn't claim to not know your own mother.
>>25010008>Jesus was a Jew
>>25010081>yes. thats the entire pointOk. How many Gods died for your sins?
>>25010070>N-n-no!Its actually WORSHIP that's more important and good deeds should feel honored to even be called that!!!Mental gymnastics.When next you masturbate towards the sky, ask yourself what you are accomplishing.
>>25010008Philosophical horseshit. He's part of a trinity, but they're all the same being. Two wills, one will, three natures, equal, four persons, nine moonbats. Every stupid conclusion they reached somehow necessitated ten more stupid conclusions.The Old Testament is jewish nonsense and demon worship. The New Testament was written by Saul, it's all garbage too. Only the Book of Mark matters, and it doesn't claim Jesus is divine at all.
>>25010078>Yet you ding dongs claim to know his nature, thoughts and actionsonce you are born in the Holy Spirit you understand.>Good. As everyone should beglad your opinion doesnt matter. God already provided his mercy.>You're welcome to your personal feelings and opinionsnot my personal opinion, its the Word of God. the soul that sins dies.Ezekiel 18:20
>>25010021>europeans like discovering truth and being preciseSo why did they turned to a such stupid religion like christianity?>MASSIVE implications for how religion, life, and truth are understood and acted out?Disaster.
>>25010056Christianity is not monotheistic meaning it believes there's is only one god. It affirms there is only one uncreated God, in 3 persons, but it firmly acknowledges other gods not as deities but as fallen spirits either deceiving man and bending him away from God, or serving God directly in His angelic order. The whole "there are no other gods" is blinders-on baby simplification.
>>25010082>I asked you to explain WTF that even mean!I literally did, though, before you even complained about the analogy. The word in the book of John, the Angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses on Mt. Sinai, and Jesus Christ, born from Mary, are all the same guy.
>>25010069>Jesus is the Soul of God inhabiting human fleshOk that makes sense HOWEVER that is a HERESY! I think it is the nestorian heresy. However I remembered it to be the Eddie and Venom (from the movies) heresy basically god is demon possessing the human jesus like venom is inside Eddie.
>>25010026>REAL CHRISTIANITY is only practiced by me and my three friends on discord!
I don't know any of that, I just read the Bible.
>>25010079if you read the text soberly you would know that Jesus replied to people that wanted food. Jesus said I am the food you need, the manna from heaven. we are to feast on the Words of Truth that Jesus Christ speaks, not on his literal body and blood.the eucharist is an idol and not the literal flesh and blood of Jesus. Jesus gave his flesh and blood on the cross for us ONCE. not every mass. it was completely finished back then and doesnt need to be repeated.also its the Spirit that gives life, not the host.
>>25010083>You can only approximate.Right, via reasonable expectations >>25010088>once you are born in the Holy Spirit you understand.This like a tranny saying once you transition then you'd understand. Same mental drivel and nonsense >>25010088>>Good. As everyone should be>glad your opinion doesnt matterActually, it does, hence jury duty >>25010088>its the Word of GodAka man's subjective interpretations. That's why Christianity is fractured over 30k times
>>25010085God the Son. One person of the triune God.
>>25010097I asked how many Gods died, not who. A numerical question
>>25010096you need to be born again in the Spirit. has nothing to do with transitioning. you are sick in the mind and need the Spirit.>Aka man's subjective interpretations.no, the objective interpretation by the Holy Spirit.
>>25010095You would never have had the text if it wasn't for the church that Christ established and the men he appointed consuming the Eucharist for hundreds of years before the Bible existed, and if they were wrong, then the gates of hell prevailed against the church, which would mean that Christ was wrong and the religion is false.
>>25010089SAVED.Also Christians need to explain what is so bad about jews killing jesus.not only this picture however also jesus calls peter Satan for him wanting to protect him from getting crucified and the whole prayer etc...>2 optionsAnd there is theWE CHRISTIANS ARE THE REAL JEWS!Of christian identity.
>>25010092no, being ensouled isn't the same as being demon possessed because souls aren't by default demonic also, God's soul inhabiting the flesh of Jesus isn't the same as your average soul, it's the Holy Spirit
>>25010021Well considering they're both meaningless nonsense phrases no it doesn't matter
>>25010100the texts were written by the apostles, not the church.Jesus established the breaking of bread together in remembrance of him, not some pagan blood ritual you are only allowed to partake in if you are in grace.gates are a defensive weapon, the Church of Christ is the one that is attacking the kingdom of satan, not the other way around.
>>25010102The Holy Spirit is not God's soul. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons.
>>25010008I believe it and I have read the bible. I don't have to think about it, I don't have to debate it, we proper denominations have priests to deal with that shit. Luther was a retard, you can't expect random peasants to understand the will of God, be it expressed as a book written millenia ago or molecular biology pathways.Check mate, now excuse me while I feed the pig I'll sacrifice to celebrate the birth of Jesus, as is tradition.
>>25010081>repentI am an anti religious atheist!>looser is insane.Really? Like fucken really?Do I list the things in the bible>jesus is ridiculed for his teachings and thrown out of his hometownFACTNot a rejected loser?>The mother of Jesus and his family call him INSANEFACTNot a rejected loser?do I continue?
>>25010104>the texts were written by the apostles, not the church.This is a contradiction.
>>25010008Christ said true Christians would be persecuted by synagogues and councils. Put it together. That's church history in a nutshell, the heretics are actually the heroes and the officials are the bad guys according to God,
>>25010105no, they are three distinct states of the same God, like how liquid, gas and solid are three different states water can have - it's still all water, it has shared attributes and attributes that distinguish it from the other states of the same material
>>25010091> the Angel of the Lord who appeared to Moses on Mt. Sinai, and Jesus Christ, born from Mary,You are changing the subject the subject was WTF all these words you keep inserting are!Explain what a nature is and what a person is!
>>25010107dunno, overcoming death itself sounds like winning to me.guess you like dying instead.>>25010108no its not. the apostles were the ones that established churches since they were the ones preaching the gospel.
>>25010008Most people who talk about christianity on pol are bots or schizo's. Most modern Christians are Catholic or Protestant so they are arian and maybe nestorian or monophysite. Protestants are obviously iconoclasts too. Catholics are idolators for the papacy and Protestants are idolators for the bible.
>>25010110My God has cloning ability. It's not rocket science.
>>25010112So when Christ built his church on peter, that was what?
>>25010104>the texts were written by the apostles, not the church.They weren't though. The texts were written by a jew who proclaimed himself an apostle 10 years after Jesus died. Everything in the NT is written by Saul the Jew. The only exception being the four gospels, but even those... Matthew was his butt buddy, and Luke and John were heavily edited (or fabricated entirely) by people sympathetic to his faction.None of those who knew Jesus wrote any of it at all except maybe Mark (believed to be Peter's story).How the fuck can you not know these things?
>>25010114aha, so if you have both liquid water and ice cubes at home, did you clone water?
>>25010115>DA KEYS DURRR
>>25010111The divine nature is how he is divine. The human nature is how he is human. A person is any one individual guy.
>>25010013/thread
>>25010117My God can turn into anything, can be anything, and can be everywhere. It's called Omnipresence.
>>25010115Christ build his Church on the confession that he is the Messiah/Christ.satan doesnt give a shit if you say your foundation is Peter, he rages when you confess Christ as your foundation.
>>25010115Jesus did not say that the church was built on Peter.
>>25010118Yeah. Peter and the apostles were given the keys of hell and death, the authority to minister the sacraments, and to remit sins through Christ. You know, what the keys to hell and death are, without which, no church exists.
>>25010121omnipresence only means being everywhere
>>25010116retard take.Peter confirmed Pauls teachings. James, Peter, John, Jude and Revelation are part of the written Word..
>>25010088I love you.Finally after all these years in the year of our Julius Caesar 2026. I finally encounter a christian like from the year 1941! None of that heretical bullshit or god is the anime waifu that talks to me bullshit! >once you are born in the Holy Spirit you understand.Translation>I magically know what this means because I am demon possessed by my god>No that is not schizophrenia or arrogance>No I can not explain and you can not understand until the demon Jesus enters you! FUCKEN LOL!> the soul that sins dies.So no hell for me only death.>NOOO THE WORDS MEAN THE OPOSITE!Look it is clear what demon possessed by your jesus mean it means asserting the meninges dogma that the clergy pushed into you and insisting you twisting the bible into your clergy's dogma is using the demon jesus who is possessing you in your hart.
>>25010008why the fuck are jews so invested into programming gentiles with this semitic faith? the fact that jews allow christians to have global networks of NGOS for thousands of years while they sue one single whites only community our of existence as soon as it's born is enough to conclude this is a kike controlled psyop
>>25010123Why was peter the first amoung equals, and why does the Orthodox Church still maintain the tradition of having a first amoung equals 2000 years later?
>>25010013>t. low IQ italian catholic shitskinYou're a fucking shitskin and a false Christian, so what would you know? In America we don't even consider Italians White we view you like slavs and shitskins. Catholics and Orthodox are cucks who simp for shitskins. In America most of them even vote democrat. The largest populations of catholics are literally in Latin America and Africa, and catholics have a long history of supporting leftists ideology and non-christian religion and atheist science. No real Christian would ever read Charles Darwin or Plato, because that is pagan-atheist horse shit but the shitskin hordes of catholics have a long history of promoting science, liberalism, and paganism.
>>25010125Omnipresence is a subset consequence of Omnipotence.
>>25010127>meninges dogma that the clergy pushed into youI never visited any churches for that to be the case.
>>25010131correct, he could if he wanted to
>>25010099>has nothing to do with transitioningIt's the same emotional feelings amd nonsense as a tranny, just different words>>25010099>>Aka man's subjective interpretations.>no100%>the objective interpretation by the Holy Spirit.That's demonstrably not true as Luther removed 7 books
>>25010129I don't know anything about Orthodox traditions, but I know that in the gospel of Matthew, Jesus is referring to himself as the foundation of his church.
>>25010015The only place anything like this is even mentioned is the old testament bullshit jew god book.
>>25010131>Omnipresence is a subset consequence of Omnipotence.This itself is Greek paganism philosophy. Plato started the idea, the so-called "platonic ideals". When the kikes slithered their way to Greece, they learned of it and decided to upgrade their deity with the stuff.We're supposed to believe the same god that calls out to Adam "where are you" is omnipresent.
>>25010124the keys Peter received are the keys of the gospel opening the door for jews, samaritans and gentiles into the kingdom. its in Acts.its not some magical power where Peter decides who goes to heaven and hell, thats entirely the decision of Jesus.we are a nation of priests, no one is above the other, Jesus Christ is the head of all. Peter makes that explicitly clear.
>>25010008>Jesus is one person with two naturesYes but is Jesus IN 2 natures, or is Jesus OF 2 natures?
>>25010102>Muh word gamesI know and I used the word demon possessed to wake you clowns up! >Look these other people are demon possessed and demons tell them to act like this (Muslims, Hindu etc)!>WE are right because we are not demon possessed!>See the demon known as the holy spirit that demon possesses us tells us so!Prove to yourself that this holy spirit is not a demon or deva/arkon.Because the demon/deva/arkon inside you tells you so???
>>25010135Why is Peter called Peter?
>>25010134Luther didnt remove books, satan.
>>25010011Unironically this schizo bs was portrayed in Crusader Kings 2, that's why the game is so fucking boring.
>>25010134Luther never removed any books, he just used the Hebrew canon instead of the Septuagint.
>>25010008The biggest heresy of them all is that Talmudic creatures are the seeds that the world is blessed through. This is pushed by our Zionist government to favor pro-Israel policiesHersey:>Christ denying Talmud people are the seeds all the world is blessed through and are the sole inheritors of God's promiseTruth:>Christ is the seed all the world is blessed through and if you believe in Christ, you too are an inheritor of God's promise
>>25010138No, the keys to hell and death are the authority to minister the sacraments. "Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven," meaning his ministry is binding. It's not ambiguous or vague.
>>25010137Having the power, and then having the power to turnit off, that is also Omnipotent.Omnipotent precedes Omnipresent, and Omniscient.
>>25010141Because his answer to Jesus asking who the son of man is. That answer is the rock>>25010142>Luther didnt remove booksSure did More specifically Luther moved seven books (called the Apocrypha or Deuterocanonical books) out of the main Old Testament.
>>25010008They sentenced people to brutal deaths over these petty arguments? Christcucks are deranged.
>>25010045Understand what these foundational terms mean first...1. Essence. For example your essence is human, and all humans share this common essence. 2. Nature. The properties which arise from the essence. For example some properties of being human is having reason, emotions, a body, soul etc.3. Hypostasis or Person. Your hypostasis for example is your name and being Dutch, you are now a distinct person based on the previous nature, and no longer an abstract one like the nature describes. You can now figure out the rest.
>>25010141Because Jesus gave Simon that name.
>>25010140you can tell wether something is demonic or divine by it's actions look at Jesus' behavior vs mohammed's behavior, very simple
>>25010043>meanwhile i can visit my local church which thousands of people attend every sunday.the church in question
>>25010008Joseph Smith is the chosen one PBUH
>>25010008This is elementary school-level catechism here
>>25010110>no, they are three distinct states of the same God, like how liquid, gas and solid are three different states water can haveHERESY! HERESY!See: https://youtu.be/KQLfgaUoQCw?t=24THE HERESY OF MODALISM!If you do not like it go debate your clergy!Like I was saying it is easy to be a christian if you ignore your own dogma and bible and ride on heresies.
>>25010148>Jesus literally calling peter the rock means that it was only his faith that was the rock. It couldn't possibly be both things at the same time. The faith that peter had could merely be a disembodied spirit orb that floated around and it would have been the same.
>>25010117Stop talking to that schizo he thinks his god is an anime girl!>>25010121>My God What anime girl is your god?!
>>25010157>that it was only his faith that was the rock. Correct
>>25010043You realize nothing ever starts off with millions of followers, right? What is the big deal, anyways, why the fuck do christfags religions hate pagans so much anyways? Just let us be, who care if people follow pagan european teachings. Unless you actually still see paganism as a threat.
Christianity is pure jewish nonsense made up for the goyim to never oppose them. I don't care about your retarded arguments about rabbi Yahusha and Yahweh Hashem Elohim the Demiurge. We're not here on this planet because there is a divine jewish being who created the heavens and the earth. We exist because our parents were horny as hell.
>>25010159It literally wasn't though. Jesus naming Simon "Peter" directly contradicts you.
>>25010149Flandre Scarlet is the christian Almighty God. The Alpha and Omega.>I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
>>25010156it would be modalism if I claimed he's shapeshifting into different modes and can therefore only be one at a time, but that's not what I am saying
>>25010022>Nachash (נחש) = 50 + 8 + 300 = 358>Mashiach (משיח - Messiah) = 40 + 300 + 10 + 8 = 358>Because they share the exact same numerical value, the Zohar and the Ba'al Shem Tov teach that Mashiach is the "Holy Snake". The very energy that caused the downfall of humanity in the Garden of Eden is the exact energy that, when purified and elevated, brings about the final redemption.>Kabbalah comes from the "ka" and "ba" which are united in order to resurrect after passing through the seven gates of the House of Osiris (seven chakras) in the Egyptian Book of the Dead.Jesus said to lift him up like the serpent in the wilderness was lifted up and if we look to the older Egyptian meaning of that we get the formula for your own personal resurrection which was represented by the Ankh, the precursor to the cross which symbolized eternal life. Hezekiah later destroyed the Nehushtan because it had become a symbol of idolatry rather than spiritual transformation, so yes, worship without participating in Christs sacrifice is betraying everything he taught.
>>25010162>It literally wasn't thoughIt was. >Jesus naming Simon "Peter" directly contradicts you.Not really
>>25010093>>REAL CHRISTIANITY is only practiced by me and my three friends on discord!Basically every e-chrisitan ever.>>REAL CHRISTIANITY is only practiced by me and only me Here I fixed that for you!
>>25010121This is so, fucking, cringe.Why do christfags have this insane obsession with Yaweh being number one. Like a football team, or, something. Only Christians and Islam have this obsession with idolatry.
>>25010146That's not what the Bible says. The keys are the keys of the reign of heaven, and we know that Jesus says this kingdom is in you.
>>25010168this guy isn't christian at all
>>25010147>Having the power, and then having the power to turnit off, that is also Omnipotent.If he had the power to turn it off... then he woudln't have the power to turn it back on. He would only remain omnipotent if he didn't turn off omnipotence/omnipresence... it's like you dumbasses have no logic whatsoever. A king may abdicate his absolute power, of course, but once abdicated he is no longer king with absolute power to claim that power back. The people who first told the story of Genesis did not conceive of their deity being "omnipresent". They hadn't even heard of that idea. You're trying to graft Neoplatonistic horseshit on top of your bronze age primitive child-eating god cult. You probably think "Elohim" is a name and not a generic label.
>>25010146>and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heavenWhat did Peter do 3x after this?
>>25010166>>Jesus naming Simon "Peter" directly contradicts you.>not reallyIt either does or does not, so "not really" means that you know you're wrong, but don't want to accept it.>Jesus naming the guy "rock" to make it as unambiguous as possible that he called that guy a rock means that he just called something else a rock.
>>25010042>In ancient Egypt, consumption of Osiris cakes was a sacred ritual. Priests and worshippers ate sacramental bread shaped like the god Osiris, made from a paste of sacred wheat, Nile mud, and spices. Eating this "divine body" symbolized absorbing the corn god's power to ensure agricultural rebirth and personal resurrection.Osiris cakes were often served alongside beer or wine, and Osiris was called the "Lord of wine and the wine press" in early texts.
>>25010172That's a non-sequitur.
>>25010173>It either does or does not,It doesn't You're welcome to disagree. I'm just better at arguing my position than you >>25010175Sure isn't.
>>25010174What's your point?
>>25010161That's like saying the chair I am sitting on is only there because a carpenter put it together. It's a very shallow and ignorant way to view the world.
>>25010168Why do you need the Truth of reality. The Truth of Might, and Power, of the fact that only the ultimate victor is the one True God.
>>25010161why are we tallking about religion on the politics board - there's real economical and political issues going on right now - call your representatives
>>25010142>Luther didnt remove books, satan.LOL How many books does the catholic bible have and how many your protestant?I inform you Catholics 73 and protestants 66! >Muh apocryphaThe name is Deuterocanonical and they are part of the bible you protestant heretic!
>>25010177That worship is still meant to intend that you go through your own personal resurrection and pass through the seven gates. "Take up your cross". See >>25010165
>>25010176It literally is, though. Whether or not he denied christ three times doesn't mean that Christ didn't literally call simon rock or that Christ didn't find his faith sufficient.
>>25010171The world will still belong to God even if God forgot about it.
>>25010182>Christianity is muh egyptian paganism, actually, because muh false pagan religion divined from demons
>>25010183>It literally isNot really >>25010183>he denied christ three timesYup>>25010146>and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heavenThis is why Peter isn't the rock but Peter's answer.
>>25010146>No, the keys to hell and death are the authority to minister the sacraments.no, the catholic sacraments are not mentioned once in the bible.a priest is not standing between you and Jesus Christ. he is the only mediator between you and God, we confess to him, we are baptized in the Holy Spirit by him and not by water and no other person or ritual is needed for you to be spoken righteous before God.Jesus Christ is the High Priest of our confession. read Hebrews.>"Whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven,"that extends to all believers as it is written in Matthew 18:18 and is about forgiving sins a brother did against you personally.you dont have the authority to blanked forgive sins of humans, only God has that authority.
>>25010185A lot of it is, yes, and it's important to remember the Israelites were Aryans. Guess who else were Aryans? The Vedics, and much of Aryan knowledge can still be found in areas they conquered.
>>25010186Peter literally is the rock because that's his name, though. A thing that isn't a person can't have Peter's faith. Some other guy didn't have peter's faith. Peter's faith required a person, and that person was peter. The things are not separable.
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>>25010188>muh false religions divined from demons are true because muh syncretism
>>25010088christkikes are such liars
>>25010148they were only added to the catholic canon at the council of Trent and were always debated before that.
>>25010189>Peter literally is the rock because that's his name, thoughWho's the rock of Christianity? Jesus or Peter?>Some other guy didn't have peter's faithJesus asked the question with all th3 disciples present.>Peter's faith required a person, and that person was JesusFtfy
>>25010008Reading the Bible and following what Jesus said gives people discernment. It makes it a lot easier to tell which of these is faithful, lying, or misled.
>>25010038I'd imagine this applies to Jesus' human nature.
>>25010181same for you >>25010193
>>25010192open the book and read for yourself, dont take my Word. research it for yourself.
>>25010191>Demons>Asmodeus is a major mythological and religious figure known primarily as a king of demons. Originating from ancient Persian lore (Aeshma), he appears prominently in Jewish apocryphal texts like the Book of Tobit—where he torments Sarah—and later Christian demonology>In Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, Asmodeus (known as Ashmedai) is considered a chief king of the demons (shedim). Rather than a pure spirit of absolute evil, he is depicted as a complex, cunning entity within the Sitra Achra.>Aeshma and Krodha are ancient Indo-Iranian conceptual counterparts representing cosmic and psychological wrath, fury, and destructive rage. Though belonging to two different linguistic and religious traditions (Zoroastrian and Dharmic), they both personify the destructive force of uncontrolled anger.>In Dharmic religions like Hinduism and Sikhism, krodha (anger or wrath) is most famously known as one of the six inner enemies (Arishadvarga or Shadripu)>Krodha Bhairava is the fourth of the eight fierce manifestations of Lord Shiva known as the Ashta Bhairavas. He embodies the transformation of krodha (anger) into a divine force used to destroy ego, ignorance, and negative cosmic influences.Most demons are cosmic forces themselves that manifest as negative qualities found within you that hinder this process, like Asmodeus here for example. He's wrath, and you can find that out by studying Aryan teachings.
>>25010194>Peter's faith was literally Jesus, bro. The rock that is Jesus becoming the cornerstone and the rock that is Peter's faith being the rock on which the church is established are the same thing, even though they're not.
>>25010200>>542786767>>Peter's faith was literally Jesus, broExactly. Why is that hard for you grasp?I'll ask again, who is the rock of Christianity? Jesus or Peter?
>>25010189>Peter's faith required a person, and that person was peter.you are such a fucking clown17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.Peter didnt figure out Jesus is the Messiah by himself.
>>25010148>>542785778>>542785899>That answer is the rockFun fact Peter the rock is also SATAN who has nothing of god in him!READ YOUR BIBLE!https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1789668390652923.mp4
>>25010197>>25010193No wrong DEBUNKED!>and wereTo this day Catholics have these books in the bible.You lost the debate.>at the council of Trent and were always debated before that.Sounds like more cope and lies for you to throw out these books!Pro tip!Protestants do not like them because they talk of Purgatory and infant baptism!A subject so irrelevant to most atheists that is is not even worth thinking about.Like why do I care if you baptize infants?
>>25010264>To this day Catholics have these books in the bible.we have too :^)
>>25010219Peter's faith is not the same thing as jesus.>My love for spaghetti is the same thing as my mother!Its literally insane.
>>25010149>They sentenced people to brutal deaths over these petty arguments? Christcucks are deranged.Heck out our local REAL PROTESTANT FROM GERMANY:>>25010142>>25010148>>25010181>>25010264
>>25010264>Protestants do not like them because they talk of Purgatory and infant baptism!bullshit, purgatory or infant baptism arent even mentioned in these books, its something the roman church came up with themselves.
>>25010236I can show you a picture, and you not believe what is revealed. You are denying that peter had free will, and suggesting that the Father mind controlled him like some kind of meat puppet into believing that Jesus is the messiah.
>>25010153>the church in questionJoke/real questionWhere can you find a jew?Answer:You can find a jew in your local churche.Why are they chasing after that jew BTW? And post the version where is dressed like a dirty banknote and has >JEW>FILTHWritten all over his face.
>>25010280the bible gives us the picture and Jesus plainly states that the Father has revealed it to Peter.>free willeither you have an omnipotent all knowing God that predestined everything before creation itself or you have some impotent dude sitting in heaven anxious for the right things to happen.make up your mind.
>>25010299So, if your dad shows you a picture of something, do you not have to decide whether or not to believe what he revealed to you?
>>25010299>An all powerful god can't cause something that can cause something, even though, he's all powerful.
>>25010307the picture is already drawn and God describes it in detail for you what it shows. you dont have to come up with your own conclusions.>>25010315you are participating in a narrative, you are not your own protagonist.
>>25010269>we have too :^)No you clown!If it literally says APOCRYPHA and is not part of your bible!
>>25010322You literally do though. It's impossible to not come to your own conclusion because your mind and the mind of whomever revealed the thing to you are not the same mind.
>>25010275>bullshitWhy are these 7 books not in your bible?
>>25010160>Unless you actually still see paganism as a threat.quite the contrary. "modern paganism" is laughably stupid
>>25010322>Everyone is a puppet in a psychopathic puppet show and that's why me beating my kids was predestined by God.Calvinists actually believe this.
>>25010089>>europeans like discovering truth and being precise>So why did they turned to a such stupid religion like christianity?ooh, you're so close to getting it.
>>25010089>Jew didn't mean Jew back thenYes. Jews were descendants of the Judaeans who practiced their faith in the one God.>Jews killed JesusYes. Modern Judaism (whose adherents we today call Jews) originates with those who rejected Jesus
>>25010272>Peter's faith is not the same thing as jesusPeter's faith is based on Jesus. Jesus is the reason he has faith. I see you keep avoiding the question.>>25010219>who is the rock of Christianity? Jesus or Peter?
>>25010324>>25010332they are clearly in the bible.they are just not biblical canon and never were until the council of Trent.>>25010329>It's impossible to not come to your own conclusion because your mind and the mind of whomever revealed the thing to you are not the same mind.that just means you are not born again in the Holy Spirit and still have to come to your own conclusions.>>25010339if God doesnt restrain you then beating your own kids is by design.>Everyone is a puppet in a psychopathic puppet show everyone is spiritually dead until born again. until then you are just a dead husk walking around being a slave to sin.
>>25010038Like I already said if you take into consideration that Israelites and Sumerians were the same race as the Vedics it's not hard to figure out who Yahweh really is. His name is Rudras, the God who appears as a pillar of fire, shoots arrows of disease but also heals, rules wild animals, is the patron of carpenters and blacksmiths, was known for being terrifying and a fierce warrior, etc. and the birth of his son is represented by this symbol. Look familiar? His son, Skanda, is his energy projected outward making him a form of him that always recognizes his Father as the greater being that he draws all of his power from.
>>25010375>they are clearly in the bibleOnly certain ones now
>>25010375>they are clearly in the bible.>they are just not biblical canon and never were until the council of Trent.Like max insanity batman!Either they are IN YOUR BIBLE or there are NOT there is no other option you can not chose both options you clown!
>>25010395>Rudra
>>25010374>Peter's faith is based on Jesus. Jesus is the reason he has faith.So, you admit they are not the same thing.>who is the rock of Christianity? Jesus or Peter?If they are not the same thing, then there is not a single rock. There is "the stone that the builders rejected, and there is Peter, and there is peter's faith, "the rock upon which I build my church." If these are all rocks, and they are not the same thing. How many rocks are there?
>>25010398>>25010400the greek Septuagint has 54 books in the old testament.the catholic canon has 46.this entire argument is pointless, the catholic bible removed books themselves.
>>25010417>So, you admit they are not the same thing.When did I say they are?>>25010417>and there is peter's faith,Which is built off who?
>>25010375If the decision to have faith in Christ is predestined, then faith in Christ has no meaning at all, and that you were sinful isn't your fault or a thing you need to repent for, it's just a string that God hasn't pulled yet.
>>25010432>if there's two rocks on top of each other, those two rocks are the same rock.
>>25010422>this entire argument is pointlessIt demonstrates how man claims their words are those of "God"
>>25010432>When did I say they are?>>25010219>>>Peter's faith was literally Jesus, bro>Exactly. Why is that hard for you grasp?
>>25010422>the catholic bible removed books themselves.YES and?I'm an atheist! The point is that you clowns remove books all the time!>Septuagint >The jews sayOK.>Dude like we can not agree on the number of correct jew books!This debunks your religion. Especially you sola scriptura!
>>25010434can man repent by himself or is it the Holy Spirit that convicts of sin and leads you into repentance?who is the sovereign that grants you repentance?is faith a gift received by grace or can you have faith on your own?does the Holy Spirit decide who he brings into the new creation or is it man that can decide by himself?
>>25010463You still have to decide to follow the conviction. You can defy it.
>>25010461you fail to see that its not about religion or being part of some church.its about the renewal of a reprobate mind into a mind of faith in God.the number of books are irrelevant, they are for you to confirm your salvation.
>>25010442>another strawman I accept your concession
>>25010482That's not a strawman. One rock being built off of another implies two rocks.
>>25010472lolnoyou deny an all powerful sovereign God and place the ball in the court of a fallen human. thats simply not how it works.you still argue on the lie of Satan that man can be like God.
>>25010450You really don't get it itPeter's faith centered directly on Jesus
>>25010496It says in Genesis that man is made in the image and likeness of God. Is Genesis a lie from Satan?
>>25010491>That's not a strawmanIt is
>>25010498>One rock being placed directly on the geometric center of another is two rocks being one rock because of center it is.
>>25010519Who is Peter's faith based and built on?
>>25010512One thing being built off of another thing, implies two things. No amount of asserting that I used a strawman resolves the logical implications of your own statements.
>>25010511being in the image of God does not make you equal with God.that only makes you a representative for God on earth which implies responsibility.
>>25010528Being in the likeness of God, makes you like God, though. Like is simile, not equality. Like is not is.
>>25010527>One thing being built off of another thing, implies two thingsOr that that the 2 are now one
>>250105342 can be one without the 2 things being the same thing. {1,2} is one set. 2 things becoming one without the two things being identical.
>>25010544Again, Who is Peter's faith based and built on?
>>25010533>makes you like Godno. otherwise satan wouldnt have to come up with the lie that you can be like God.the lie was that man can determine what is good and evil for himself apart from God.
>>25010477Bzzz you lost the debate SOLA SCRIPTURA MAN!>the number of books are irrelevant,WRONG! SOLA SCRIPTURA MAN!Your religion is worshiping a collection of books and you just admitted that your clown religion has no way to determine(le debated books) what the right books are.This ends your religion right here and now!
>>25010550That doesn't make the two things identical. We've already been over this for quite some time, and you asking the question repeatedly doesn't mean I don't know the answer or haven't answered the question. The answers I have given imply the answer to that question. You just desperately want it to contradict that Peter's faith and the person of Christ are identical when it doesn't.
>>25010565Again, Who is Peter's faith based and built on?
>>25010560>religion>religion>religionits like talking with a goldfish
>>25010557>Having the likeness of something doesn't make you like something.God already had a plan to make Adam and Eve more like himself. They would have eat the fruits of the tree of Wisdom and Knowledge of Good and Evil, given time and more maturity, but the Devil convinced them to eat it too soon, against the command of God.
>>25010574Are you clinically retarded or something? I literally answered your question. Are you gonna use the answer to make whatever point you're pretending to have that you could have made already, or are you going to keep repeating yourself?
>>25010584so you believe the fall happened by accident and was not predestined by God?
>>25010600That's a false dilemma. To believe that it wasn't predestined by God isn't the same thing as believing it was an accident. God designed the consequences, but he didn't make the decisions for Satan, Adam, or Eve.
>>25010598>I literally answered your question.Not really. You answered based on a strawman So ill ask againWho is Peter's faith based and built on?
>>25010576No counter argument I see. So we agree you are wrong about everything and should quit Christianity? >>religion>>religion>>religionDid you think we where debating the best cake recipe or something?
>>25010619What is the strawman. You can't just say I made a strawman. Second, I literally answered your question. The thing you want me to identify, I have already identified numerous times.
>>25010614>but he didn't make the decisions for Satan, Adam, or Eve.yes, yes he did.the cross was foreknown before the foundation of the world according to 1 Peter 1:20.and in Revelation 13:8 it read "8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."how can the Cross and the Lamb be fulfilled if God left it up for Adam, Eve and Satan?
>>25010626you arent debating anything, you just fling shit around like an ape and then think you have won.Im just a dude watching you from behind the glass window that separates us.
>>25010646Foreknowledge is not predestination. Being able to predict the outcome because you are all knowing and all-powerful is not the same thing as making the decisions that lead to the outcome.
>>25010630>Second, I literally answered your questionWhere? Because I don't see you answering with Jesus anywhere I've asked the question.
>>25010664You must be blind.
>>25010666Nah, it's because you didn't
>>25010671>You just desperately want it to contradict that Peter's faith and the person of Christ are identical when it doesn't.
>>25010671Which poorly worded. I should have said aren't instead of are, which was my mistake.
>>25010679There's the strawman So again, who is Peter's faith based and built on?
>>25010689I'm filtering your ID.
>>25010660but how are we then able to walk in the works God predestined for us to walk in before creation according to Ephesians 2:10?that means 1. God decided when you are born, where you are born and your path of life.2. God already had a set date in your life to come where you repent of your own ways.3. God already decided what the works you are doing for him that he designed before creation itself.that doesnt leave much room for me deciding to do so. I didnt decide 1., I didnt decide 2. and neither 3.this is not foreknowledge, that is predestination.I am a partaker, but not the originator.
>>25010694"that we should walk in them" is prescriptive, not descriptive.
>>25010694"You should eat when you are hungry." means something altogether different than "You will eat when you are hungry."
>>25010693Why can't you answer a simple question?
>>25010679>that Peter's faith and the person of Christ are identicalI also never said this. This isn't about physical beings.
>>25010711>>25010716but that just playing with words and rhetoric.God predestined that you are hungry and predestined that you will eat, the "I should eat something" is the secondary point of view from your own perspective. you are not the originator that decided he is hungry and then decides to eat something.you are partaker in a situation you didnt come up with yourself.
>>25010751>The thing that directly refutes my assumptions is just rhetoric, therefore I can treat a prescription as a description.>God determines whether or not I eat when I am hungry, but gluttony is a sin. So God commits all sin vicariously through people.
>>25010880God permits sin, not commit.also catholic sin economy is not biblical, deadly sins and venial sins are made up concepts.
>>25010751>Bro, when this word is used, it means something different than if this word was used.>"That's just rhetoric. The one word being used is just trying to persuade me that the other word wasn't meant."
>>25010898>God permits sin, not commit.He doesn't do either, and you believe the opposite of what you oppose because if he predestined everything, then he is the originator of every sin he decides for you to commit, meaning he vicariously committed the sin through you. If he permitted sin, then that means you are allowed to sin, which implies that you are free to choose whether or not to sin, which contradicts predestination, and implies that sins aren't disallowed, as they are by the laws of God.
>>25010919opposite of what you propose*
>>25010901if you so desperately need to have your free will then be my guest, it doesnt change anything.God being the author of your salvation brings so much more peace and security into that relationship. no need for the rat wheel where you can lose your state of grace and have to constantly do works to regain it.the other option is some arbitrary caricature of some disconnected God that is constantly angry if you dont do some kind works yourself.
>>25010934>my made up incoherent idea is why I know I have salvation even though if it was all predestined i can't know anything, all my thoughts are merely imputed.
>>25010919he lets you walk in sin as long as he decides so he can show his mercy and glory in your salvation from sin.God is self serving, everything he does is for his own glory. and when he takes the worst sinner and works out his glory in their lives then who are we to argue with God. its his decision.
>>25010941>my made up incoherent ideaits literally black and white in the bible.your depiction of God is not accurate.
>>25010934>Me freely reasoning out, or needing to do so at all, why I think I know that I have salvation doesn't contradict free will or predestination.
>>25010946It's literally not. We are made in the image and likeness of God, and God has free will. You can only make your idea work by interpreting prescriptive statements as descriptive.
>>25010947ok, so you just went into troll mode.I guess this conversation is over.>>25010952thats just gnosticism bro. the same bullshit lie of the garden.
>>25010958>God saying he made people to be like him is just Gnosticism, even though that's literally what Genesis says.>The bible is black and white about how I don't have free will, even though it says that I can be tempted by the devil to choose sin, and not that Satan or God merely decides that I will.
>>25010988>lets just take bible passages out of context how I likeguess thats what it has come to. absolute state.
>>25011009>When God said that people are made in the image in likeness of God, the part where it says likeness was talking about how people look or something when that was already covered by the word "image." We're all called to repent of our sins and humble ourselves as Christ did so we can be like something else that isn't God, for some reason.
>>25011020>people were already like God and then snake came and told them they can be like God and that lead to the fall because they were already like God and became more like God
>>25011031The became more like god in that they then came to know good from evil. Likeness is simile, not equality. One can be more or less like another. The snake did not merely state that they would become as God, he said that God was tricking them. So you are taking that part out of context. If you are already like something, it does not mean that one cannot become more or less like another.
>>25011053>in that they then came to know good from evilno, man was in relationship with God. the fall was that man could decide what good and evil is independent to God. the relationship between man and God was lost because of disobedience aka sin.this sin is whats in all humans, that we decide what good and evil is and this is the same position you are arguing from. that we have free will to decide whether something is good or bad. free will is the lie of the garden.
>>25011082"Fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" is not "fruit of the tree of deciding what is good and evil, in your opinion."
Catholics are gay. Protestants rule. Especially Lutherans.
>>25011082If they merely decided what was good and evil in their own opinion after they ate the fruit, then they wouldn't have covered their nakedness, knowing it was wrong, and hid from God because they were ashamed of what they did. They knew that they had done something wrong because they ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
>>25011082>man does not have free will>the fall was that man could decide...pick one
>>25011093>>25011111>man came simply to know good and evil>thats why God had to give them the law that convicted them of sinsman making up his own rules and justifying himself in them was always the problem.when Cain slew Abel he had no regret for killing his brother only for his personal consequences. Lamech later even expounded on that sayingI have killed a man for wounding me, a young man for striking me.24 If Cain's revenge is sevenfold, then Lamech's is seventy-sevenfold.”the sentiment is, anything that goes against MY WILL will be killed. its the ultimate form of ego, the I am my own God and make up my own morality on what good and evil is.>If they merely decided what was good and evil in their own opinion after they ate the fruit, then they wouldn't have covered their nakednesswhy? before they were naked as well.Genesis 225 And the man and his wife were both naked and were not ashamed.they only decided that after eating that being naked they were ashamed. thats making up your own morality.they wanted to cover up their shame by their own efforts.what was Gods response to this?he slew an animal (blood sacrifice) to cover up their nakedness on his behalf, not their own.he overruled their response to being naked. he determined his solution over their own solution because his morality of good and evil was now different from their morality.
>>25011130whats so hard to to understand? Adam died spiritually. he walked contrary to God. he was dead in sin. this doesnt mean he has free will, it simply means he does what he is not supposed to do.a spiritually dead person has no will at all, he is a slave to sin.
>>25011176Adam and Eve ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE before it was prsecribed that they should do so, whether or not someone has to explicitly tell you what is right and wrong doesn't mean that you don't already know, but lack the self-awareness to realize it and act accordingly. Whether or not Cain sought to justify himself or that Adam sought to justify himself does not mean that they didn't know what they were doing when it was not only implied that they did through their own actions, but explicitly described of their character. A kid caught with his had in the cookie jar, making up an excuse, is making up an excuse BECAUSE he knows that what he did was wrong. Just like Adam and Eve hiding from God because they knew that what they had done was wrong.
>>25011211why do you think God told Adam not to eat from the fruit of knowledge of good and evil?
>>25011222They weren't prepared to know good from evil. This is what was taught by the ancient hebrews and by the church for the past 2000 years.
>>25011231>This is what was taught by the ancient hebrews and by the church for the past 2000 years.so traditions of man?he told them not to eat from it so they would eat from it to make his glory manifest.he gave them and satan over to sin to deliver them and mankind from sin and destroy satan.
>>25011247You wouldn't know the story at all if it wasn't preserved by the traditions of men. You wouldn't even speak a language if it were not handed down to you by those before.
>>25011247If he predestined everything, then why would he have to tell them not to do it in order for them to do it?
>>25011231>>25011247>>25011264he resolved the mystery of a perfectly JUST God and a perfectly MERCIFUL God in that way to make it manifest to all creation, man and angels.
>>25011254>>25011247>You wouldn't know the story at all if it wasn't preserved by the traditions of men. You wouldn't even speak a language if it were not handed down to you by those before.retard babble. traditions of men are garbage compared to the wisdom and knowledge of God that he gave us with his Word. man has only be able to corrupt and misuse what God gave us. and Im pretty sure languages dont come from man either.
>>25011273Being just doesn't mean anything if the people he is judging didn't decide anything.
>>25011279>People repeating stories to each other and writing them down in a language that they preserved via traditions is just babble because it contradicts my incoherent beliefs.
>>25011286slave to sin = no free willsubjecting your will to the Will of God = no free will but the free Will of God for youfree will on a human basis simply does not exist.
>>25011302>Being a slave to sin is having no free will, even though you have to decide to do it, and morality of the act is of null effect because it was predestined anyway
>>25011293>incoherent beliefsthe only one incoherent is you.you adhere to the teachings of men when you should adhere to the teachings of God.human traditions have always been at odds with God. humans put their traditions over the manifest Word of God and subject God to their beliefs which is sin.
>>25011329>When I contradict myself by saying that everything is predestined, but people can decide, that's you being incoherent.
>>25011318>fallen man has to decide to sinhow deluded are you? sinning is the modus operandi until you are saved by grace.
>>25011338man can not decide when he is a slave to sindo you not understand the concept of slavery or what?slave doesnt mean a free person that can decide. a slave is a slave for that simple reason.
>>25011329>My made up interpretation from 500 years ago isn't the traditions of men, but the interpretation that has been the same for thousands of years, handed down by the actual people God gave it to, is.
>>25011342>Everyone who doesn't confess the lord only sins all the time, even though that's a logical impossibility. >King Herod never told or believed a truth, ever.
>>25011354>thinks being property means you can't choose.>Slaves have never escaped or disobeyed their masters because of my incoherent assumptions about reality.
>>25011360>the interpretation that has been the same for thousands of yearsdo you believe your own bullshit or what?were the councils held because everyone had the same interpretation for thousands of years or what?what about the many schism before the reformation?you dont even know your own history.there never was one interpretation and the church was never united.
>>25011398you cant escape a spiritual slavemaster that is the craftiest being ever created.you think so simple.
>>25011412>were the councils held because everyone had the same interpretation for thousands of years or what?The people God gave the traditions to, having the same tradition for the whole time, is not everyone. You just made that up in order to suit your assumptions.
>>25011431>muh allah is the greatest of deceivers, bro
>>25011435>God giving human traditions that changed all the timedo you want to make me laugh at you?>>25011446why do you hate Gods Word so much?
>>25011412>if you have a council to sort out the interpretations that are false so that they don't corrupt the interpretation that is true and consistent with the one that is thousands of years old, then that means that there isn't one that is true and consistent with the one that is thousands of years old.>If a court case happens, the laws are fake.
>>25011473>humans dont fuck everything up all the time especially when it comes to Gods Word
>>25011487>humans fuck everything up, but not the humans that made up my religion, who have no historical connection to the church.
>>25011501Im not even religious or was taught by religious people but the reformation came from the same church that you claim has the right interpretation and traditions.
>>25011599>The Orthodox Church did the reformation.Nope.
>>25011606>orthodox traditions and interpretationshould have figured it out when you came with your gnostic takes.that one is on me.
>>25011629The likeness of God meaning exactly what it says isn't gnosticism.
>>25011642I am sure man is able to make the correct decisions by himself apart from God too.
>>25011664>moves the goalposts to "correct" decisions.>thinks that means that man being made in the image and likeness of God means that man isn't like God, somehow, or that one doesn't have to be more like God to make correct decisions.
>>25011682>be like God but on his own terms and conditions
>>25011711>made up qualifier that changes nothing at all, contrived out of spite
>>25011715but that is tradition. you let man mandate how to be like God and not God himself.
>>25011719>makes up something elseHow to be like God is literally in the Bible. It's explained by Christ himself throughout the gospels, the preservation and passing down of which, was a tradition that men had.
>>25011719The preaching and practice of which, is also a tradition that men have.
>>25011736>>25011747then why do I see contradiction to the gospel everytime I look into tradition?
>>25011753Why does that matter when you contradict yourself so fragrantly? Why should I care what you think is or is not a contradiction?
>>25011838where do I contradict myself?what you should care about is following the scripture and not traditions of men. not my opinion.that the traditions are contrary to the scripture is plain as day since they testify against themselves.
>>25011753flagrantly*Also, If I had to guess, you are stretching something that Jesus said about the traditions of the pharisees far beyond the scope of how they actually imply such that language, religion, the very scriptures that you're reading, and anything else that is a tradition that men do, is under the umbrella, and instead of understanding the absurdity of that interpretation, you think that the umbrella is really that big.>>25011873>where do I contradict myself?>There is no free will, but the fruit of knowledge means that adam and eve could decide what was good and evil.>Everything is predestined, but fallen man decides what is good and evil for himself.>The bible is black and white but "likeness" means the opposite of what it says because of the assumptions I read into the bible.
>>25011895>fruit of knowledge means that adam and eve could decide what was good and evilI said their morality of good and evil is disconnected from the morality of God.what man thinks is good (covering up your own nakedness) is contrary to Gods good (slaying and animal meaning blood).>>Everything is predestined, but fallen man decides what is good and evil for himself.doesnt even contradict itself. man walking in sin was predestined.>The bible is black and white but "likeness" means the opposite of what it says because of the assumptions I read into the bible.we simply have different views of what likeness implies.before the Fall Adam walked with God naming each animal, I am pretty sure God told him what to name them, he didnt have free will. it was a top down relationship. the likeness is being of one mind because there is no sin that separates.as I understand, your view of likeness is that man walks in parallel with God. man has his own will and God has his own Will. correct me if Im wrong.>Jesus said about the traditions of the pharisees far beyond the scope of how they actually implythe pharisaic traditions are found in each and every branch of religious institutions. its always the result of religion. the most obvious example is ofc the roman catholic church. but orthodoxy and protestantism are only daughters of that and you see the same in all denominations.
>>25011960>I said their morality of good and evil is disconnected from the morality of God.That contradicts scripture, which says that the law is written on our hearts.
>>25011965>which says that the law is written on our heartsin its natural form? noit is through repentance and being reunited with God that he gives us a new heart with his law written on it.
>>25011960>>>Everything is predestined, but fallen man decides what is good and evil for himself.>doesnt even contradict itself. man walking in sin was predestined.If sins are predestined, then man didn't decide to do them. If sin was predestined, then God causes evil, which is impossible because he's perfect, and therefore perfectly good.
>>25011973If all of our thoughts and actions are predetermined, we aren't following a law because we don't have agency.
>>25011975>then man didn't decide to do themcorrect, because we are slaves to sin. slaves rarely do what they want, they are told what to do.>then God causes evilGod uses evil for good.>>25012004was the law given because man can keep it? or was the precise purpose of giving the law to show we cant keep the law?as I recall only one man can keep all the law all the time, the one who has given us the law, Jesus Christ God in the flesh.
>>25012032>Ignores how he believes that God causes people to sin because he believes that god already decided what every thought in their life would be.
>>25012041Romans 920 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
>>25012090That doesn't say that God made evil or that God causes sin.
>>25012113what point of fallen man walking in sin dont you get?God didnt make evil or causes sin, he predestined it and it will be destroyed by his wrath.
>>25012146God did not predetermine sin. Sin was the consequence of Adam and Eve. If there is no free will, and God made everyone's choices, then God made evil, and God causes sin by making evil people and making them "choose" sin. Your ideas contradict themselves.
>>25012159Adam and Eve were not the first sinners.it was satan who sinned first by lying.have you never read the bible in a way where God is at war with angels and not with humanity?the very principles of reality are corrupted because of heavenly being that sinned against God.Did God create satan and the angels that rebelled against God?
>>25012192How did he do that without free will?In the context of human beings sinning, sin was the consequence of adam and eve's choices. We would not be fallen had they not chosen what they did.
>>25012214God made satan so beautiful and perfect he could not resist the be like God.Adam, having no concept of what disobedience and death even is was placed in a garden where he was told to not eat from it unless he dies.I mean, add one and one together, it was a setup.
>>25012236>God is perfect, and God made satan so much like himself by making Satan so perfect that Satan couldn't resist wanting to be like God, even though he was already like God, and that's why Satan said "I will exalt myself ABOVE the stars of God." It wasn't because he wanted to be greater than God, it was because he just wanted to be similar.
>>25012236>It was a setup in my opinion, and that means that everything is predetermined and nobody makes any choices. There's no free will in the bible and it's black and white, even though the Bible treats people as responsible for making choices.
>>25012254>I will exalt myself ABOVE the stars of God.stars is the keyword here, he doesnt say above God.in the same chapter it says:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’>I will make myself like the Most High.’satan wanted to be like God, the same lie he told Eve, you can be like God.is your entire argument here about Genesis 1 where God says "Let us make man[h] in our image, after our likeness. "?because when you read further, Adam was given all dominion over everything on earth.in Genesis 2 it says Adam was to keep the garden. to watch over it.its not saying anything about Adams will being independant of the Will of God.
>>25012289>>25012289>It was a setup in my opinion, and that means that everything is predetermined and nobody makes any choices.if it wasnt predestined then God would never come in the flesh and take the curse of sin upon himself, the blood was never spilled, the glory and mercy of God would have been never on display for all to see and experience. where there is no sin there is no remission of sin then there is no need for Jesus Christ.are you so foolish to think God would have let it up to chance to reveal his glory to all creation?do you know how retarded that sounds?thats almost like saying we dont need Jesus if only the first man made the right choice. thats almost antichrist theology.
>>25012312>"I will MAKE MYSELF like the most high.">Adams will wans't idependent of Go'd even though Adam chose to disobey him, even though it's impossible to do that if you're a slave or something
>>25012332>I will MAKE MYSELF like the most high."and? did he succeed?who gave satan the permission to try?
>>25012341He never had permission, nor did he try. He already existed, and cannot make himself. Either God made Satan really perfect, or Satan wasn't like God, since perfectness is a think that Satan and God would have in common. You can continue to ignore what "likeness" means, but you will continue to be wrong.
>>25012368God, your understanding and knowledge of scripture is in the gutter.address this post >>25012322
>>25012384>muh begging the question fallacy
>>25012393if this is all your "traditions" are able to produce I feel sad for you.
>>25012384If Adam and Eve never chose sin, then Christ would have not needed to redeem humanity at all. Everything would have been in it's correct order."If it wasn't predestined, then the thing I claim was predestined wouldn't have happened" > "if it wasn;t predestined, then it wasn't predestined" is petitio principii, assuming the initial point, begging the question.
>>25012418but the cross was predestined before creation which means the fall was predestined from which the argument for "free will" originates in the first place.
>>25012426If free will came from the fall, then they couldn't have chosen to sin, and thus fall.
>>25012433they were predestined to disobey Gods command and even then they didnt gain free will in the fall otherwise satan would have told them to truth.free will was always the lie.
>>25012456>If I keep a gun on me because I know that in the future i will need it to defend myself, that means I predetermined the criminal act that would happen against me.God is outside of time. Just because he knows what's going to happen and evidences that he knows what's going to happen with the tree of life, doesn't mean that he orchestrated the course of events that led to the fall or to redemption by mind controlling all people and angels into doing his bidding.
>>25012456If they were predestined to disobey God's command, and didn't have free will, then why did Satan have to lie to them?
>>25012478why is it always "christians" that are so opposed to a sovereign Creator God that creates every condition in life.Did not Jesus say that God knows the number of hairs on your head?>>25012493because he was a liar and muderer from the beginning.
>>25012516All-knowing does not mean predestination.Someone being a liar from the start doesn't mean that they have to lie to a particular person to achieve a particular goal.
>>25012522a sovereign God over his creation is predestination.he can bring up and bring low anyone who he desires and nobody is in a place to argue with him.he does as he wants, how he wants when he wants. thats the definition of being sovereign.
>>25012541>being sovereign is predestination because being sovereign is predestination, even though he made people and angels with free will, who can freely choose whether or not to act in accordance with God. Any condition that the angels and people create of their own will was predestined. God can intervene freely in the world, therefore he predetermined everything, even though if he did that, he wouldn't need to intervene.
>>25012565>even though he made people and angels with free willsource?
>>25012573The fact that people are held responsible for their choices all throughout the Bible, and that the Bible even considers some thoughts and behaviors to be not from God implies that people choose to do these things.
>>25012565>he wouldn't need to intervenethe entire point of creation was to reveal himself to his creation.God didnt fumble around waiting anxiously until humanity finally created the conditions to send his Son. he created the cause, the conditions and the environment so perfectly perfect that his Will be manifest.
>>25012573You've still yet to bridge the gap between god being all powerful and God predetermining everything. It's just an assumption you smuggle into your statements and read into the Bible. You've yet to source it or justify why you think it's true.
>>25012590His will would be manifest regardless of how perfectly perfect it was if everything that ever happened was what he willed.
>>25012596I already posted multiple bible quotes proving predestination while I have yet to see one from you defending yours.
>>25012605No, you haven't. You've posted one that might evidence it, given certain assumptions, but at no point have you provided any sort of a proof. Which is a very specific thing that has to get a lot of details right.
>>25012613Acts 13:48And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.
>>25012631That's still not a proof. A Bible verse is not a proof. Bible verses would be used as evidence in the construction of a proof.
>>25012641>implying there arent countless verses like thisRomans, Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians etc etcread it. the bible is all the proof you need. sticking to traditions wont help you.
>>25012658>You don't need proof to understand proof, you just need "proof," which is some bible verses read with certain assumptions in mind.
>>25012666>no, I will not conform myself to the Word, I want to stick to my made up traditions of menI tried.nice digits satan. have a good one.
>>25012673Those appointed to eternal life spent three years being catechized into the Orthodox Church, which has record of many of their lives.
>>25012679>the church decides who was appointed by God, not God himselfthis is just so sad.
>>25012685What do you think that verse means? "Take up your cross and follow me", when the apostles preached that part of the Gospel to the gentiles, didn't mean "intellectually agree with the words that were said and then go back home and do whatever."
>>25012699what makes you think anybody that is appointed by God has any choice but to take up his cross daily.
>>25012710"Take up your cross and follow me""Except he that eats my flesh and drinks my blood, no life abides in him"Being told to you by a guy who ministers the Eucharist, like Peter and Paul did, means you go to church and participate in the sacraments. Get baptized, catechized, and then commune, get married, give alms, etc. It doesn't mean something else. Not a single martyr that was decapitated by Rome believes what you do.
>>25012813>he thinks taking up the cross is going to church, baptism, catechism, communion, marriage and giving almsalso the ritual of lifting up a wafer and it becomes the flesh and blood of Christ is never even mentioned, only the breaking of bread in remembrance.drinking blood is prohibited by the law itself and Jesus Christ sure as hell didnt break the law of God.
>>25012833Taking up your cross and following Christ means suffering for the sacramental life of the Church. The ritual comes from Melchizedek blessing Abraham after meal of bread and wine. Jesus Christ is High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, King-Priest of Salem.
I care about learning all about Christology, theology and everything on the right panel. The church fathers, everything the EO church has produced really. I'm currently going through a 15 part catechesis series that totals 30-40h.
>>25012858sure man, this lukewarm performative works based tradition is not biblical. your practice some counterfeit that isnt christian.taking up the cross is overcoming each challenge that God appoints for your day with faith in Jesus Christ. not some stupid empty rituals.
>>25012882Faith is dead without works, for lo, even devils believe.
>>25012882>Taking up my cross is being obese and walking up a flight of stairs. The Saints that died for their beliefs and were executed by the Romans for being Christians, like Peter and Paul, didn't have the right idea. The Eucharist is unbiblical, even though Paul talkes about it quite a bit, and even has a story about some people who died because they tried to administer it unworthily. I can just gloss over that part.
>>25012890would you be so kind to list the works James speaks of.it sure as hell isnt what you think works of faith are.>>25012909>let me project a strawman on younice fruits you have there. do you think satan just sits idle while you persue your walk with God.is it not written that he will sift us like wheat?how do you compare a spiritual force of the air to walking up stairs.you are a viper.>even though Paul talkes about it quite a bityes, believers sharing meals together in remembrance and as a church, an assembly.not some clergy lifting up some valueless wafer and presenting some wine to you.the former is the assembly of breaking bread, the latter is consuming food dedicated to idols.
>>25012959An example of a daily challenge that somebody might face in their life isn't a strawman. It's an example that belongs to a category that you defined.Paul talks of ministers who got drunk before administering the Eucharist, and died. He also explains how the Eucharist is related to Melchizedek.
>>25012977>Paul talks of ministers who got drunk before administering the Eucharist, and diedthey died because they partook of breaking of bread and drink unworthily. not people that administered an eucharist drunk.where do you even get that shit from, because its not the bible.>He also explains how the Eucharist is related to Melchizedek.Jesus Christ is related to Melchizedek, not the eucharist.again, what you said is not in the bible.do you not see that the traditions of man have absolutely corrupted the gospel?
>>25013024>"My eisegesis isn't a tradition, but yours is."Nobody had the Bible until after the council of Nicaea. Paul said that both the scriptures, and that which he had orally taught was to be followed. If your traditions and interpretations were made up 500 years ago, how can you know what Paul meant or taught?
>>25013062the bible was made up 500 years ago. do you even read what you write?>how can you know what Paul meant or taught?by reading what he wrote?I mean its clear by now how little you consider the Word of God and rather stick to traditions and rituals.but really, did you never read the bible once when larping as a christian?
>>25013090No, your denomination and beliefs were made up 500 years ago.The bible was canonized at the council of Nicaea, which you reject as the product of man's traditions.
>>25013090>how can you know what Paul meant or taught?He told people to follow also what had been spoken to them orally, and the Bible doesn't include all of Paul's epistles, but only the ones deemed liturgically necessary by the Fathers at the council of Nicaea. The bible is not "The Complete Works and Instructions of the Prophets and the Apostles."
>>25013108>cant think outside of denominations and traditionsthere is no hope for you.its either you have faith in the Word or you have nothing. its that simple.>The bible is not "The Complete Works and Instructions of the Prophets and the Apostles."its what God appointed to be his Word, translated for all man to have access to. it was predestined as a sovereign act as testimony against the traditions of men.if Pauls oral teachings were to be binding they would have been sovereignty preserved in the Word.most likely they were custom to the churches of his time (since they were pagan converts).orthobros will real 100 volumes about the church fathers and councils but never once pick up the bible as authoritative.
>>25013168>You either have faith in the word of god or you don't.>When paul said that, it wasn't the word of God.>All hail the printing press.
>>25013186the problem is not traditions, its placing tradition above the scriptures.thats the error you are in. you esteem men higher than God.
>>25013168In that time, the oral teaching was literally the Gospel, and the ins and outs of ministry. Everything from vestments to the liturgy, itself, catechism, how to baptize.
>>25013220You are far too historically uninformed to be saying this.
>>25013229>people couldnt read or write, it was all oralare you retarded?its was all written in koine greek, COMMON greek. the septuagint and gospel was available. people were read and learned.>>25013238if all my tradition can produce is idolizing the eucharist and bowing to images I would reconsider if I am a true follower of Christ or just a pagan that thinks he is.
>>25013283The Gospels weren't written down until decades later. The Septuagint existed, but the Gospels and the logistics of ministry were orally instructed for decades, and in some places, centuries, until the Bible was canonized at the council of nicaea, and/or complete compilations of the Gospel were distributed to the various jurisdictions, and their many, multiple parishes.
>>25013302the councils happened because there was so much text floating around that it became confusing and they had to settle on the core texts.not because of the lack of written texts.are you just making shit up now?
>>25013321The councils happened because of Arius and his followers spreading a false gospel. The canonization of the texts was a byproduct. Just because the texts were known by the Bishops of each Jurisdiction does not mean that everyone had access to them.
>>25013345>Just because the texts were known by the Bishops of each Jurisdiction does not mean that everyone had access to them.well, arent we glad someone changed that :^)
>>25013357>I can ignore what the bible is and what it's for and also ignore 1000 years of Church history and make up my own gospel.You're not serious. You already said that you're not religious, so it's not possible that you're arguing in good faith. I assume that you've been getting calvanist talking points from chatgpt or something.>I can be as ignorant as I want and still be right!The absolute state.
>>25013386>religious person doesnt get he has to read the actual biblesad, many such cases.
>>25013406>You haven;t read the bible because I have to imagine that in order to soothe myself psychologically about how wrong I am about everything.
>>25013406>doesn't even know what the councils were about, but has an opinion on whether or not they were correct.
>>25013418if the bible was your authority you would mix it up with traditions.>>25013447>thinks people in the past were all drooling retards who couldnt read or write>takes councils by these persons as authoritative anywayyou make no sense
>>25013464*wouldnt
>>25013357>"I don't know anything about Church history, but I'll take this assumption about what was being taught orally and run with it. That makes me right, even though I have no clue how to be right about anything."
>>25013464>Being literate means you can sit down and write the same thing over and over again on expensive paper in greek caligraphy, and distribute it everywhere.
>>25013464>my made up idea of it in my head is more true than actual history
>>25013472>>25013487>>25013507
>>25013526>no arguments, just lies, canards, and mind-numbinf retardation
>>25013532yes, thats why Im leaving.
>>25013559Glad you can admit it.
