Welcome to /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://getmonero.orgINFODUMPS:https://rentry.org/monero-explainedhttps://moneroinfodump.neocities.orghttps://pastebin.com/raw/wtx1vKueXMR Redpill: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4BUY XMR: https://monero.eco/exchanges/>Infinity Projecthttps://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsCCrypto ATMs: https://coinatmradar.com/XMR Resources: https://monero.observer/resources/XMR Stats: https://moneroj.netMINING: https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/mining/https://rentry.org/why_mine_xmrWALLETS:>DesktopOfficial GUI/CLI walletFeatherwalletStack Wallet>MobileCake WalletMonero.com walletStack WalletUnstoppableEdge walletMonerujo (Android only)Monfluo (Android only)SECURE STORAGE: https://rentry.org/store_xmr_securelyBuy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!:https://monerica.com/https://xmrbazaar.com/https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/https://kycnot.me/?t=service&xmr=onhttps://peershop.apphttps://cakepay.com/https://coincards.com/>Exotic goodshttps://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNiSupport development:https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/https://monerofund.org/https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/https://magicgrants.org/funds/monero/Support organic artistry:https://www.monerochan.art/Previous: >>62000163If you still have questions, feel free to ask. A MoneroChad will be with you shortly.
wust the total suppply?
>>62174936Right now?18,752,843.497167019141And growing 0.6 XMR per blockSee: https://www.moneroinflation.com/
BumpXmr is based as fuck
Just came out on Pitch.
>>62175040thanks bro
John is alive.
Love XMR, finally a new bread.
my monero short is printing, i entered at 400, got a sl at 389.
I'm Satoshi
>>62176777Checked>>62177030Monerochan is upset with you anon. I got buttcoin and stinkies in muh shorts. I could never harm my sweet girl
Is this true guys?
>>62177740Oh god not you again..
>>62177959Just ignore him, just like how everyone ignored his jeetcoin
>trying buy some shit>they only accept btc >ok ill just swap from xmr >minimum swap of like 0.01 btc What the actual fuck I hate bitshits
https://xcancel.com/coinfessions/status/2050288403795845624The copeposting is delicious
>>62179637Nice
>>62177372Me too
Did my part today too.
>>62181003Another shot
>>62181003Thank you for your service.
>>62181285Havent seen a sticker slap post in a while
What would happen if XMR had half of BTC's marketcap?
>>62183108Best case is more adoption. Worst guess is a riot from the ultra left libertarian sect of the community.1/2 BTC market cap would be ~10x. Assuming nothing else changed, we'd also have to pay ~10x the fees which could be enough to cause the riot.I wouldn't bet on this happening though.NGU =! UGU(users go up), but it seems unrealistic that XMR would do a 10x and more people wouldn't attempt to buy and sell goods and services for XMR. See what happened when gold did a 10x from 400 to 4000 as an example.
>>62183447I meant ~100x, not ~10x.
I've been out of the loop for months, why is ztrash hovering at price parity with XMR agan?
>>62183895The trannie jews behind zec got listed on some more cex's I think?
>>62183895Because zcash is based on actual cryptography and not just an elaborated version of the shell game.
>>62183895>why is ztrash hovering at price parity with XMR agan?Same reason it pumped to $700 out of the fucking blue: wash trading. It'll dump again as always soon.>>62183934>Because zcash is based on actual cryptography and not just an elaborated version of the shell game.Get a load of this retard. Nobody in the privacy space takes your "compliant privacy" spycoin seriously and never will.Go outside and enjoy the sunshine, I hear Nigeria is delightful this time of the year.
400 waiting room
i really hope it stays below 400 for the next year or two
>>621844621k eoy
>>62184462Sorry you just jinxed it, will never be below 400 again after this
>>62185889noo i need to acoomulate :((
>>62174854come on 400!!!
Am I retarded or is this listing fake and gay? Reviews included.https://xmrbazaar.com/listing/YD3e/
Broke 400 for about 1 hour
>>62186870based, next stop $225
>>62187051Sub 300 is never happening again
>>62187127i’m sure there’s a post from 8 years ago that said the same thing
>>62187127Correct. Delistings have only made us stronger https://x.com/babysolo_/status/2038696631839699170>>621871338 years ago we were still on binance
>>62187133Sure but that wasn't ME. I know better. This time is real.
>>62187498the new Carrot implementation completely destroys monero btw, expect in ~3 years for Monero to be back on exchanges. It was a good coin while it lasted, DNMs will move on and so will the privacy autists like myself. ggs
>>62187717why would it?
>>62187717B-but your accooomulation
>>62187876DYOR, but basically public viewkeys are a major threat to true privacy>>62187934i do think the prices will increase especially now, but imo it holds no serious future value for the usecase it was origianlly created
>>62187977>>62187717>>62187977>Carrot le bad>View keys le badNo. https://youtu.be/87xayqeQY2E?t=6575
>>62187977WHY ? we are not forced to hand over our viewkeys also EU band Monero it will never be on an exchange again (i hope)
Interesting.>How Monero's proof of work workshttps://blog.alcazarsec.com/tech/posts/how-moneros-proof-of-work-workshttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48009020
>>62187717>DNMs will move onJust shill us your new project already>>62188084>EU band MoneroBanned CEXes from trading XMR
>>62187717>Monero to be back on exchanges.Not a chance in hell.
>>62188037he doesn’t address the main issue in this video. >>62188084this reddit post explains it pretty wellold.reddit.com/r/Monero/s/lGdUjECdVl>>62188610i’m not indian
>>62188677You didn't watch the video
>>62188677>i’m not indianSo what would they move to instead? The DNM won't just stop
>>62188677thank you for the reddit posti also found this onehttps://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1qhh50x/is_optional_transparency_good_for_monero/i may be out from Moneroi am kinda sad now
>>62189131>But guys what if the government forces you to give up your view keys?Was never a valid argument. >But guys what if cucks give up their view keys to the government willingly? They'll compromise my based privacy!Is no longer a valid argument with FCMP++Watch the video posted here >>62188037
>>62188658We'll see ultimately. If Monero is let back on exchanges that means Monero is now regulator approved meaning carrot is something the feds want. If it isn't let back on then carrot is safe. All there is to it.
>>62189326>>62188037>OVKs very good for adoptionI.e., onboarding normalfags who will insist Monero becomes Bitcoin 2.0 with ETFs and the works
>>62174854$400.00 Celebration thread!
>>62189933Checked. We did it.
>>62189875>If Monero is let back on exchanges that means Monero is now regulator approved meaning carrot is something the feds want. If it isn't let back on then carrot is safe. All there is to it.Do OVKs reveal sender or reciever addresses or amounts? You know, the things that regulators aee interested in?If you can't answer this then your opinion on the subject is worthless.>>62189893>OVKs very good for adoptionNever claimed this, nor did the video. Are you just making things up now?
>>62190228>nor did the video1:51:46It's literally the first statement he makes. "My key takeaways are, OVKs, if used correctly they're very useful, they're gonna be very good for adoption".That's the first and main benefit he states for OVKs. Adoption. Which means exchanges. Which means normies.His entire shill for OVKs is premised on getting more normies. When exchanges start getting their fingers on Monero again, then dev's will start getting "sponsored". And they'll weasel they're way in.
>>62190228>Do OVKs reveal amountsAs per the video "OVK knows exactly what inputs you've spent and knows the amounts of those inputs because it knows what your change is, it can infer what the outgoing balance is"
>>62190302this guy didn’t watch the own video he linked lol. OVK is a disaster
>>62190302>>62190321You skipped the parts that don't feed into your doomer porn fantasy. I'll go over those now.He states that exchanges are unlikely to bring Monero back due to OVKs at 2h35m20sAnd at 2h27m30s he says that OVKs don't actually know the amounts of those outputs. In other words it can solve for x here2 - {x) = 1But not here2 - (x+y) = 1And goes on to explain that you can't determine which addresses sent or received which output with OVKs. So to answer my own question since you didn't: No. OVKs know the amount of your inputs and can make a very strong guess about how much each output is. It can't tell you anything about who sent those inputs to you or where they went>>62190456Of course I did. It's how I know that the OVK FUD is retarded.Anyone that reached any conclusion except "the OVK FUD is retarded" didn't watch the video.
>>62190495>It can't tell you anything about who sent those inputs to you or where they wentit doesn’t need to. simply knowing the amounts is enough
>>62190495He throws in a "I don't think exchanges will relist" to placate the autists after being clear that OVK will make Monero more accessible to normalfags and add some of the tools exchanges want for compliance. And the response to the decrease in fungibility, that there will become two classes of Monero, has been "well just don't use an exchange then, it's all optional, no one's forcing you to do this, this is all voluntary" which is the same insane cope Bitcoin maxis used for years while they were co-opted. We all saw the writing on the wall when it was them. You should be able to see the threat this is to Monero too, how it will be used.
Yeah I'm not reading any of that. I'll just go ahead and repeat myself>The OVK FUD is retardedTo anyone still listening to these idiots and think I'm wrong, do the math and walk through the game theory yourself. It's not hard.FCMP++ will increase the anonymity set of each tx from 16 to 100 million. If we assume that chainalysis can and will collect OVKs to reduce the anonymity set and identify true spends of XMR users regardless of their compliance, then two questions should immediately jump out at you:>How many view keys will they have to collect to reduce the anonymity set back down to 16?>If you're an exchange/the government/etc putting in all this work to collect/steal/etc view keys, why not just grab the private keys?They won't answer because it'll ruin their doomer porn fantasy.Here's some more boner killer questions you won't get answers to:>What is needed to prove that you sent XMR to someone? Hint: it's not a view key>When moonstone research tried to trace the stolen funds of the CCS hack, what did they usse to create the transaction graphs? Hint: it wasn't a view key>So coinbase somehow managed to get your OVK and can see you sent 100k XMR to someone . How do they determine who you sent that XMR to?>How come this "the government will collect it cand use it to compromise the privacy of the chain!" argument isn't made with private keys? "Ok anon maybe cucks are gonna cuck, but they certainly won't cuck THAT hard!" Is a nonanswerIt's retarded to the point that it's not worth refuting. I'm doing it cause I'm bored.
>>62190632equating view keys to private keys is incredibly disingenuous. the former is your bank statement, which institutions can and do require for BV checks during hiring in certain roles, for example. the latter is saying “give me your debit card + PIN + your entire bank info”. Two completely different things
DAAYYUMM!!….DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHMMMMMMMNNNNNN (MC, make another hit)— WOAH!!This ain't what you want (Project, Project X)This ain't what you wantThis ain't what you want
>>62190700The whole argument is about how other people's cucked privacy choices can effect everyone. The degree of cuckoldry is irrelevant.>“give me your debit card + PIN + your entire bank info”This is illegal in most cases. Some cuck likely did this in the past because his boss told him to, and he did it instead of not being a cuck. OTOH, there's nothing illegal about an exchange demanding your private key to trade on their platform. Maybe some cuck will agree to it, get cucked, and cry to lawmakers to save him at some point. Until then, private keys and view keys are equally fair game, even if the threat exposure is different.
>>62191612Concern trolls trolling about Carrot as if the Monero-hating establishment would ever consider going easy on XMR and relisting it.Governments absolutely hate credible encryption/privacy tools, they're clearly not going to encourage or enable their use in any way that would give plebs an affinity for them. A total non-issue. Feel free to ignore all future "just asking questions" FUDpasta.
why not just use salvium instead?
>>62191625retard
>>62191918Killer rebuttal. We're so getting relisted now.
408!Price going up!
>>62191787Also has CARROT, despite not having FCMP++
>>62190632>FCMP++ will increase the anonymity set of each tx from 16 to 100 millionFCMP will introduce 0 knowledge proof transactions like ZEC but also add full view keys.>How many view keys will they have to collect to reduce the anonymity set back down to 16?Just your full view key that will be leaked by the wallet with non reproducible code that you will use
>>62191612>>62191918Develop a new way to handle double spends and stealth addresses if view keys bother you that much.
>>62193111>FCMP will introduce 0 knowledge proofsWe have these now. Are you just pretending that you know what you're talking abo->Just your full view key that will be leaked by the wallet with non reproducible code that you will useNever mind
>>62193167>We have these now. FCMP takes 0kps beyond rings, to the protocol level, like Zcash. Do some basic studying before coming in here to lecture us, retard>Never mindWell said, gtfo because you've no clue
>>62193206>to the protocol level, like Zcash.Zcash's privacy isn't protocol-level, its application-level.
>>62193113Are you saying that double spends (or inflation bugs) become a bigger threat once FCMP is introduced?
>>62193801No. I'm saying that right now Kv is needed to generate stealth address and scan the chain for bogus outputs (see the burning bug for more info on this topic). FCMP++ fixes that; you won't be able to construct 2 outputs that work for 1 key image anymore.Inflation bugs are a different topic from double spends.
>>62187051More like $522.
lets gooo
qrd on why zcash has more confidence market wise? their desktop infra is anemic, most of their wallets are mobile wallets which is ironic. and I have yet to see places that "use" zcash.
>>62195160it’s an artificial pump by a few VCs and and regular scamcoin influencer hype. they want to run the narrative that Zcash has “won” the privacy coin battle via PA. the rabbis in Israel would certainly be happy about that outcome
>>62195443>ZionCashmakes sense, albeit I'll be fair to them. I heard they did win a case with the feds in Jan 2026; but that's been a while, recent market activity seems inorganic. There is a lot of FUD about monero's CAROT
Can someone please explain pool mining to me? Yesterday I spent one hour mining on SupportXMR and one hour mining on MoneroOcean. I got substantially better returns (in terms of XMR pending) from MoneroOcean so I let that one run for an additional five hours. When I check them both today, 24 hours later, I see that they actually both accumulated the same XMR pending amount. How do I explain this? It seems like SupportXMR gives way better payouts for the same hash rate.
>420why do they do this
>>62195160>qrd on why zcash has more confidence market wise?Why do obvious scamcoins pump? It's all market manipulation, wash trading + a coordinated shilling effort by turd world operatives, typically Nigerians and jeets. If in doubt, remember that Zcash has virtually zero actual adoption, its reputation is in the shitter due to all the shameless knee bending to authority and it has remained a punchline within privacy circles basically since day 1. There's nothing there to be optimistic about.
>>62195486>There is a lot of FUD about monero's CAROTAt first I thought it was malicious FUD to delay the hard fork by any means, but there's a small chance that it's just people not reading and making assumptions that Zcash FVK = Monero FVK. They're not.See: https://zips.z.cash/zip-0310#what-ian-learns-about-the-ecosystem
Say "so long!" to the 300s...
The sus ice-cream truck in my neighborhood accepts monero
>>62197078Elaborate
>>62197240In the finest neighborhoods of Burgerland there are ice cream trucks that sell recreational consumables.
>>62197976That was an episode of Shameless
>>62174854I have a bit of a weirdquestion, but ever since I've been getting into XMR I've been wondering if there is anyone that sells natural beautysupplies (that accepts XMR)...Specifically anything tallow and soap, because natural tallow can be expensive, but I've been a lot healthier ever since making the switch.I order my soap from IdahoTallow, and their soap is really good but they only accept Bitcoin which can come with stupid high fees, so if anyone buys from them or is interested in Tallow products, can you please kindly ask them if they would consider accepting XMR, because that would be great since it seems to be an untapped market in monero.https://www.idahotallow.com/
>>62174854>https://www.monerochan.art/Dead website, hasn't been updated in a year.
>>62200942Yeah cause some tards here decided grinding out constant AIslop was worth it, completely killing art commissions.
>>62200112There's a few sellers on xmrbazaar.
is it dumb to swing trade monero using an euro stablecoin instead of tether? The dollar has been so fucking shit lately and im a yurotard I don't want to hold dollars
>>62201516Kind of, if you use a coin that can be frozen to do it.Cake wallet has dEURO, which should be safer for this purpose. YMMV
Is there a valid reason why charles hoskinson is suddenly talking about FCMP++, or is he just leechmaxxing? Do zk rollups make smart contract compatibility possible or something?
>>62202381>charles hoskinson is suddenly talking about FCMP++Link?
>>62202496No, cardano
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>>62202939(¬ _¬)
>>62202496>>62202595https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/monero-price-forecast-xmr-upgrade-earns-praise-from-cardano-founder-charles-hoskinson-202605070449
Monero is like TOR, (((they))) don't like it, but it's too useful to get properly rid of.
>>62203303They just repeated the same information 3-4 times. Without more I'd assume it's just Charles trying to get his name out to the legitimate crypto community.
>>62176116https://archive.org/details/GrizzlyBearsOnMethamphetamine
>>62202969I'm Satoshi
>>62202381To answer my own question>Do zk rollups make smart contract compatibility possible or something?Maybe? If it's anything like BTC. See: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/zk-rollups-are-coming-to-bitcoin-heres-all-you-need-to-know>Additionally, with a ZK rollup, developers could add any programming environment desired –– for example Turing-complete smart contracts –– on top of Bitcoin.
LMAO, it's over for FCMP before it even began.
How do i buy and hold XMR on cold storage ? Cheap options.
>>62208666>digits. just generate a seed offline and send xmr to that address, absolute cheapest method. you dont need a gay ass branded cold storage device.>>62208621>stress tests the stressnetyes
>>62208831Something I forgot to include in the secure storage guide:https://www.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/securely_purchase.htmlI also feel like there's no guide on how to use dice to generate seed phrases that's specific to Monero. The closest thing I can find is this https://docs.getmonero.org/mnemonics/legacy/
what's the best way to buy xmr
>>62210609>>62210609Which ever way is best for (You)>t. Swaps BTCLN for XMR on trocador
>>62212136Im looking at cake app to get my foot in the door. I have no idea if my KYC exchange supports LN network for btc.
>>62212238>>62212238>Im looking at cake app to get my foot in the door. Buying LTC on cake to swap for XMR on trocador is a tried and true method. I think trocador is built-in too>I have no idea if my KYC exchange supports LN network for btc.https://github.com/theDavidCoen/LightningExchanges
I can say with certainty that Monero powers real-world economic activity.
>>62209349>I also feel like there's no guide on how to use dice to generate seed phrases that's specific to Monero. Never mindhttps://github.com/JollyMort/monero-wallet-generator
>>62208621it sounds like you need a seller, that sells weaker potions
Clarity act is good for Monero it seems after reading
Satoshi
OK but how do you cash out?
>>62221035It is cash. You buy with it.
>>62221035daunt.link
stay based brotherswe're all going to make itkeynesians will get the rope
>>62221035barter economy even
