Are none of his ideas/products actually useful or good?
>>62286004He is just some autist from a rich family that made it big. He regularly overpromises and underdelivers. Let's be real SpaceX is not worth anything close to the ipo price. And orbital data centers, really? Some people are going to get raped on this ipo. Elon is like some friendmonster who just wants to be loved. But he seriously just will do anything to be liked except be a genuinely good person
>>62286038He gets way too lucky way too many times to not be seen as better than most people
>>62286038I mean, he did make self-landing reusable rockets. And the Starlink kit is pretty good too.
>high speed internet for cheap anywhere on earth, no matter how remote>revolutionized EVs after all the other car makers failed at it>self-landing rockets>getting to orbit only costs like 5% of what it costs NASA to get there with an equivalent payload>brainchip that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mindYeah, no useful products. Fucking idiot
>>62286121I think starlink is the only revolutionary thing he has made. Everything else is meh
>>62286134Yeah, cutting the cost of getting to space by more than 95% and getting a monopoly on space flights is not impressive at all
>>62286121Wow. No need to be rude :(
>>62286134>>62286121>pollutes low earth orbit with space junk
>>62286145Haha, realistically how much money is to be made in space in the next few years? Also idk where you are getting 95% from, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that number.
>>62286004Elon is weird in that he is a conman but his cons actually work. Like if a snake oil salesman started hawking the cure for cancer by accident.All his other ventures are stupid but Tesla and Starlink are good enough that he’ll be remembered as a technological genius for the rest of time.
>>62286004I've used starlink in a remote area, it worked pretty well
>>62286121Also wild that you left one crucial SpaceX product out (Grok). Which is a POS and is wayyyyy worse than Claude or ChatGPT. Plus that arm of SpaceX is hemorrhaging money. The only way I think he can save the AI arm is just pivoting to provide compute.
>>62286174It costs NASA $20-40k per kg of payload. Usually $2-4 billion per launch. It costs SpaceX $1.5-2.5k per kg of payload. Usually $60-150M per launch. >realistically how much money is to be made in space in the next few years?If you can't think of an endless amount of ways that humans can scale in space, I don't think there is anything I can say to help you out. Good luck with your investments
>>62286198If you want to go down the AI road, he literally co-founded OpenAI and was their main source of funding for many years. You're a moron
>>62286171yeah i cant wait for some shit to go wrong and we end up inducing a Kessler syndrome
he seems like a fraud to me, but I could be wrong
>>62286214"Cofounded" he threw money at them and tried to force a buyout. When they didn't go along with it he threw a tantrum and got humiliated in court.
>>62286258lmao yeah everyone knows the Sam Altman version of events is trustworthy and proper.
>>62286214>Erm he witewwawy cofounded OPEN freaking AI!!! >Starts X AI and spends billions just cuzNeck urself retard, go be a good goyim and buy the IPO
>>62286004>can't even make cars that run in the winter>can't even make rockets with a better chance of propelling you to space than just blowing your ass thereidk about that dude
>>62286171>>62286224are you trolling or just retarded?satellites aren't skyscraper sized
>>62286004>bitter ex-wife, the post
>>62286177>invents not just one, but multiple great technologies/processes>a few throwaway ideas along the way>"he is a conman"bitter woman energy
>>62286395>>62286388Gay for Elon tranny aura
>>62286090his employees made it
>>62286004The only con man that delivers a working and satisfactory product… but still a con man
>>62286403で?
>>62286004>con man SpaceX literally rescued NASA astronauts stuck in space When NASA needed more time. Anthropic are sellouts going public while XAi and X will remain private. Tesla makes the least amount of EVs yet still outsells all the other EV brands. Starlink gives Internet access to those living off the fucking grid. Con man, you say?
>>62286004he's not just a conman he's haman postured
>>62286004>his ideas/productsWhich ones did he personally create?
>>62286448>while XAi and X will remain privateOH NO NO NO
>>62286448Isn't XAi and X under SpaceX which is about to go public?
>>62286004>Is Elon Musk truly just a con man?Yes
>>62286588>OH NO NO NOLOLE!
>>62286448>Tesla makes the least amount of EVs yet still outsells all the other EV brands
>>62286386they dont have to be.
>>62286082>born into .01% family>profited off the Dotcom boom>subsequent ventures (Tesla and SpaceX) both requiring massive support and subsidy from the largest government on earth to workPutting all that aside, HE is not a technical mind, at the level that it matters for any of his projects. His name doesn't belong to the successes of these projects in any way that matters.I have one friend that works on the Autonomous Driving team (the camera development team, technically) and one who works on Starlink and they both think he's a dumbass.Is he a decent business mind? Maybe. But at a certain level of wealth you can begin easily pulling the levers and manipulating rules directly.
>>62286687people tend to forget the fact that there are armies of people behind these companies that do most if not all of the heavy lifting.
>>62286715They'll remember it whenever the company achieves things and ignore it when they're claiming the whole thing is a scam. So which is it, were those companies innovative and pushed the tech forward in their respective areas or were they all a bunch of scams?
He's good at being richBy that I mean he's good at using his wealth to hire brilliant minds and paying/pushing them enough to innovate good ideas. Not that I'm downplaying this, it's a pretty important part of getting shit done. He's not the greatest spokesman and routinely overpromises things but people eat it up regardless so whatever. And his buyout of twitter has been one of the biggest factors in making racism mainstream which is cool.
>>62286004>Is Elon Musk truly just a con man?he is a con man, but not just a con man. he is not an engineer and is a pathological liar and a master at conning young retail investors to prop up his overvalued Tesla stock. He has achieved a lot but is way overextended and is in a trillion dollar shell game trying to cover one scam with another scam before they are all found out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mczUp5h-cWc
>>62286848Hello thunderfoot
>>62286594No totally separate. While SpaceX utilizes Spok which is a neXt-level variant of Grok only SpaceX employees have access to, SpaceX gets massive funding by our government anyway, as does Lockheed and Boeing so it just makes sense for SpaceX to go public at this juncture in time
>>62286662>being cost-efficient>practically made to order >not being wasteful either with spending or manufacture wasteSeems legit
>>62286739as steve jobs would say, he plays the orchestra
>>62286687He doesn't need to be a technical mind lmao. He has the vision to understand who to hire and what it takes to build. Sounds like a stem cope to me from a guy who can't do business. Bezos is literally an engineer and hasn't even made half the innovations musk thought of. Musk is a risk taker, he makes bets that almost always pan out, that is better than being some code monkey hired to build someone else's dream that no one will remember.
Musk has a keen understanding of where human technology is heading. Same could be said for lots of sci-fi authors, but Musk actually has the ability to make some of it happen. Zuck is similar, but with worse execution. Both are early and directing the future.
>>62286038Every American is about to get raped by the IPO, since all the funds tracking the index will be required to buy up SpaceX after 15 days because it’ll be in the Nasdaq-100 within 7 days of IPO. It’s going to be fucking glorious
>>62286004He's a decent businessman with some engineering knowledge. I don't know why people need to believe he's either a genius or a con-man. There are a lot of over-emotional and childish people who need to put him in one of these boxes in order to justify their sad political activism or their personality cult. It's pathetic and tiresome. In the grand schemes of things he isn't Nikola Tesla or Isaac Newton, but his companies do actually make things and he has had a lot of success in multiple different fields, it's not an accident. Invest if you think his companies are undervalued compared to their forward earnings potential, or don't. Just don't be one of these libshit clowns "ELON IS LITERALLY HITLER HE'S A CRIMINAL BECAUSE HE GOT RID OF MY MOMS DAYCARE JOB AND CHINESE CARS ARE BETTER!!!1"
>>62286403so you're saying that if there was no Elon, those people would just randomly band together and make a self-landing reusable rocket?
>>62286004I still love my Tesla Model 3 after 6 years of ownership so there's that.
>>62286004his dad was a pedophile slave mine operator that diddled his children. the dude is legitimately autistically stunted from getting fucked as a kid and lives in some fantasy world where no one remembers his new bullshit lie he tells every 30 minuteshe has been caught telling the most fantastical lies for decades and he just doubles down with outrageous bullshit every year.>hyper loop>boring company>trips to mars by 2022>"the line" in saudi arabia>claims to be best path of exile and quake player in the world on Joe rogangiving this guy your money is hilariously retarded but he does an amazing job of pandering 100 IQ normies that think big bang theory is funny and only exist to funnel their goybucks into space scams
>>6228644818% of cyber trucks are owned by SpaceX. he literally just sold them to himself at full retail price and now he will have Americans 401ks reallocated to his space scam stock to pay off his dumb trucks no one wanted to buy.
>>62286885>trusting onions face snake oil shillsngmi
>>62287493he also does an amazing job at:>self-driving cars and taxis>global internet for civilian and military use>mass-produced normie APC for surviving in demonrat-infested human hives>400 foot tall rocket with a reusable booster stage they catch with big pincers on a towerbut who gives a fuck, right
>>62287443Engineers are smart people (crazy right?). Most of the time we are solving boring problems and dealing with very stiff compliance. Very few engineers really work on true innovations as proving a new concept involves a lot of (perceived) risk - time, money and potential failure.Elon is not brilliant in a sense that he can solve a single problem that any of his engineers can; rather, he autistic enough to throw his entire net worth at an idea most companies would consider to be insane.t. Aerospace engineer
>>62286004I don't know man. His companies made electric cars actually feasible and credible as products and got everyone else to start making an effort to deliver fast/decent ones. Lowered rocket launch costs by 95% and kickstarted the business. Starlink. The rest could be bs but it may have been worth trying, and Grok may still make a comeback with all the money you're going to throw away in his IPO.I'm not buying this or any other IPOs, but out of all the lying billionaires, he bothers me the least.
>>62287526that's such a cope lmao, he can solve being a billionaire and being a businessman but he can't solve engineering problems if he studied for them, is what you are saying, its like saying engineers like yourself can be billionaires if they wanted, elon has something you don't have and you don't even know what it is otherwise you wouldn't be a simple engineer
>>62286004
>>62287537Oh hi Elon!
>>62287516>who gives a fuckexactly..space is gay. electric cars are gay. I don't give a fuck about remote third world internet in some jungle.none of his companies make any money even with rampant scams and church of cumguzzler space retards like you financing him. have fun being a bagholder retard
>>62287548hi dumb engineer, when are you going to do something risky for once in your life?
>>62286004didnt this guy get a 10 mill or billion deal as long as TSLA was a certain MKT cap within a couple years or something?just all in TSLA, all of the other shit related to him is a scam, its obvious where his attention will be
>>62287549if you don't care about space, electric cars and robots, you're basically retardedyes, I am financing him, and I'm getting well rewarded, not only with gains but with his products, tooit's like watering a beautiful tree that fruits the coolest shit ever
>>62287562eventually shareholders will realize he's doing far more damage as the face of TSLA than he is helping
>>62287571>spacewhy>electric carmade of plastic charged on a fossil fuel power grid>robotsthe ultimate bagholder scam since the 1990s where they have promised they are giga close they just need infinite more money with no tangible resultenjoy your "fruits" faggot
He is useful to a lot of brown people, white people get mogged real hard.
>>62286004>Are none of his ideas/products actually useful or good?To be fair.... he did bring stranded astronauts back home when they were stuck for months in space. So yes, I would say his SpaceX shit is pretty neat.Meanwhile... Jeff Bezos's rocket blew up at the launch pad yesterday.
He hired the right people and got them to do the right things. And that's apparently worth more than whatever genius fantasies the retards in this thread have. Of course he did not literally build a rocket with his own hands. Are you autistic or something?
>>62287412Most normies missed this blatant corruption scam.
>>62286455The Cybertruck
>>62286004Elon is a frontrunner; his products come out first which makes him look like some sort of Tony Stark like genius but eventually the competition catches up and then passes him. Already China is nipping at his heels in the EV department and will probably surpass him in 5 years.
>>62288053the best one right?
>>62288241>Already China is nipping at his heelsSo you're saying his innovation has to be compared to a country with over 1 billion people to make it look bad
>>62288258the kind of copes these retards come up with is amazing
funny seeing so many reddit migrants on this board. no useful products? no useful products? wtf. the us government had astronauts stuck in space. spacex went and grabbed them. notice it wasn't presented that much in the media because ELon is racist. but in reality that is the peak of capitalism. private business being more efficient than government centralized "expertise". take whats leftover of your paycheck next payday. who will make better use of that capital you or Tesla/SpaceX?
>>62288053This one wasn't even a flop (even though it should have been). Americans will buy any nonsense.
>>62286121>>high speed internet for cheap anywhere on earth, no matter how remoteniche, 99% of people who matter have internet for 20 years already.>>revolutionized EVs after all the other car makers failed at itchinks wiped the floor with Tesla so hard it's not even funny.>>self-landing rocketsI agree with that one, although it's not his monopoly anymore because bezos and chinks can do that too already.>>getting to orbit only costs like 5% of what it costs NASA to get there with an equivalent payload15%, but as I said there is competition already.>>brainchip that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mindeven piece of shit Hawking was able to do that with primitive tech long time ago, like this thing kind of empowers retards, but is useless for someone not retarded.
>>62288507>because bezos and chinks can do that too alreadyhttps://apnews.com/article/blue-origin-rocket-explosion-bezos-ecdb38828fac02e3a33cc4fd4e61543elol
>>62286004He can be both a con man and sell real products. He overpromises, and underdelivers relative to his promises
>>62288258How many experienced space engineers are among those billion? Not many. China had a very small space industry until very recently.
>>62286004Visionary and pioneer. Everything else is irrelevant.
>>62286038>that made it bigIt wasn't by accident. He's undoubtedly a shrewd businessman.He correctly identified several industries that technological advancements had made ripe for disruption. For example, he identified that lithium-ion battery technology had made the car industry ripe for disruption through electrification.He successfully convinced customers to buy overpriced cars. He successfully convinced investors to throw money at his ventures. He successfully convinced idealistic workers to work long hours at his companies without commensurate pay by selling them a narrative that they were saving the world.
>>62288825Also, he successfully convinced the government to save his companies when they would otherwise have gone under.
>>62286004>Are none of his ideas/products actually useful or good?This is the copiest of cope. You can hate Elon and still acknowledge that Tesla and Starlink are incredibly successful and have changed the world.Even libtards STILL buy Teslas and slap a bumper sticker on the back proclaiming how embarrassed they are about Elon, so that they don't get attacked by other tranny libs.
>>62286004because of Tesla he forced largest car manufacturers to turn into EVTesla was best selling sedan in USA few years back, without tesla everyone would still produce combustion engine
>>62286177>his cons actually workFucking kek. "He got lucky! His products are good... by accident!" Cope, retard
>>62286004Elon musk has invented more things in the last 5 years than you could ever hope to do in your lifetime.Tesla has innovated electric cars and batters. Starlink has revolutionized communications. He took Twitter and turned it into the amazing platform X with xAi and Grok. And he commands SpaceX which is taking humanity to space faster than NASA ever could.He is our Niander Wallace Jr. He leads humanity.
>>62288877>Tesla had a top selling model in some category rankingThat's because Tesla essentially only has two car models
>>62286448>SpaceX literally rescued NASA astronauts stuck in spaceThis is such a mischaracterization.The astronauts could at any time have return home on any of the other capsules attached to the space station, but when they were on the station anyway, they might as well stay for the maximum duration. Originally, the astronauts were only supposed to stay on the station for only a few days because that was when the Starliner capsule on which they came was supposed to return, but when NASA decided they were no longer going home on the Starliner capsule, there was no point in following the original schedule.
>>62286004>Is Elon Musk truly just a con man?yes, like the others
>>62286177A better analogy would be to say that he sells both snake oil and a cancer cure. The cancer cure being real causes many people to forget that he is also selling snake oil.
>>62289036Alternatively, you could say that he sells a mix of snake oil and cancer cure, and the cancer cure being real causes people to forget the snake oil was a scam
>>62288859Not very hard when you can buy yourself a position in the government (DOGE), and went to child sex parties on the island (insider). You are right that he can run the con pretty well though.
>>6228903620 yrs ago landing rockets and electric cars were snake oil, i guess any sufficiently advanced tech is snake oil to a normie who can't visualize how to actualize anything beyond waging a 9 to 5
>>62286004Satellites are useful. Cars are useful. What they aren't is profitable enough to justify the valuations on his companies.What I find ironic though is that all the people who hate him because he apparently exploits workers to get his wealth don't seem to understand that per unit of wealth that elon has he likely exploits workers the least out of any billionaire because proft = exploitation and his companies are only marginally profitable. If Telsa has a Price to Earnings ratio of 200 that means Elon is 200 times as wealthy as the amount he exploits in a year if you actually "read theory" like they tell you to do. The leftists should be celebrating that this guy has someone managed to get rich without mathematically exploiting workers to do so. Elon has discovered that you don't need a profitable company to be a valuable company.
>>62291672>What they aren't is profitable enough to justify the valuations on his companies.Yeah but investors are betting that he'll come up with some new tech and somehow his existing companies will profit from it.Like TSLA is a bet on space, robots, brainchips, and whatever else he might come up with. It's really a bet on Musk himself rather than >build car>sell car
>>62286687the world needs visionary retards. You think other people actually thought Alexander the great's dad was Zeus? Did it really matter
I think you have to be some sort of autistic genius to run these giant companies.Think about it. Having a small local business is already stressful enough. You have to deal with so much shit.Shit, even having some online thing is already stressful having to hire taxes and keeping track of things, trying to get traffic etc.Imagine this multiplied by a trillion times and worldwide.How the Fuck do you even scalate to such lenghts? how do you manage such a giant monster? it's crazy.>>62288394what % of elon's projects are funded by the government tho?
>>62286004I think he's just a construct of greater powers. They create these people all the time to hide their agenda and make it appear like anyone can become insanely rich and powerful.Gates, Zuckerberg, Rockefeller, Carnegie, there are a lot of them in the US. They come from humble beginnings and are elevated to positions of power, when they die their money is put into a trust and the control remains with whoever created them.
>>62286121Soyuz is actually cheaper than SpaceX at delivering payload to orbit
>>62286121>high speed internet for cheap anywhere on earth, no matter how remoteUseless because it's CGNAT>revolutionized EVs after all the other car makers failed at itChina BTFO'd him eternally in this arena, along with building cheaply made garbage that kills people. He only had the kino self driving but to enshittify it, he turned it into a massive data collection endeavor and made it a subscription, along with requiring additional hardware to upgrade so customers could he his good little loyal paypiggies. Meanwhile google/waymo leapfrogged him in ability and in another few years publicly available waymo cars (built by China and Toyota) will destroy his only advantage.>self-landing rocketsCan't take this one away from him. He definitely allowed rocket technology to develop further than anyone else had ever taken it, and their still the leader in this space.>brainchip that allows paralyzed people to control a computer with their mindSo far it's barely useful, he did push it a bit further than it's gone before but BCI's would have likely reached this stage in the same amount of time without his help.
>>62287537There are more things to life than money anon. Heresy on /biz/ but it's true. >he can "solve" being a billionaire and being a businessman but he can't solve engineering problems if he studied for themYes, exactly. Have you seen Elon's attempts to be "smart"? There's a reason he pays other people to do the work for him. Even /biz/ hero Bezos stopped attempting to become a theoretical physicist in college, because he realized, by his own admission, that he could never become a great physicist because he wasn't smart enough. The difference is Elon continues to larp as if he's responsible for every innovation and good at everything, kek.>elon has something you don't haveYes, but vice versa too. Also, they each have different drivers and goals. Only one of them was begging to party on little St. James, for example.>a simple engineerIf Elon thought that way, he wouldn't be so desperate to larp as one.>>62287366>he makes bets that almost always pan outBy taking advantage of massive government subsidies, having the public be his exit liquidity, and never meeting his own timelines you mean? By his own standards, not a single bet he has made has worked. He's also made hundreds of bets hardly anyone has heard of that didn't pan out so his track record isn't special.>>62291688True>>62288241>Already China is nipping at his heels in the EV departmentThey've long since surpassed him in the EV department but they lag behind in the much more useful self-driving. However, he enshittifies his self driving every year since he's the only car manufacturer you can publicly buy it from. They're way fucking behind his rockets however.>>62287412How many Americans are stupid enough to track the Nasdaq-100 in any of their holdings?>>62288825>He correctly identified several industries that technological advancements had made ripe for disruptionThis was public knowledge and readily evident, but only he had the capital and was willing to take on the risk.
>>62288933>Tesla has innovated electric cars and battersThe battery tech was invented mostly by the American, British, and Japanese research system (mostly private and public universities). China took this and mass produced it, both because they recognized its utility and also because they were the only ones who could at scale.>>62292521It's cheaper because their max payloads are so small. If you look at cost/kg Spacex is mogging 2x-3x
>>62292743>There are more things to life than moneyLike what? Suffering?
>>62292960I was thinking of happiness and fulfillment.
>>62286004The devil worshipers always steal the identities of the real good people and try to pass off their inventions as their own as a way of keeping their cabalistic control of the human race going.
>>62292964But you need money to have free time and resources to pursue almost anything.
