>condemns hundreds of young white men to the permanent underclass by selling them the trade meme and dissuading them from going to higher education>sends his impressionable fans to get hazed by bored boomers and be paid peanuts for backbreaking physical labor while everyone else is getting pussy, connections, and easy white collar jobs from college What’s his endgame?
>>62294434demoralization thread #5849869453869854989658496895489685498ignore
>>62294434This is a business & finance board, not a parasocial faggot board. Please take your social obsessions elsewhere.
>>62294439It's only demoralizing if he's your e-daddy LOL
>>62294434>dont learn to fix a car, goy>be a white collar fag, goy
>>62294434Didn’t know he encouraged this. Always hated seeing the anti education trade meme slop.
>>62294434>dissuading them from going to higher educationThere are fags in the US who can't complete a 6th grade math question, or read above a 6th grade level, and they're graduating "higher education" on such a large scale it has completely nullified the weight degrees held on resumes. When we hire, we have a test you are required to complete now, just to prove you're not retarded. For a job that requires a bachelor's at the minimum.
The vast majority of people with college degrees are going to be replaced by AI within the next 10 years.Tradies have a new lease on life, and the demand for electricians will skyrocket alongside the rapid expansion of data centers
>>62294434>dude everyone should go to college
>>62294434I dont wanna tradie maxxshould I go to a trade school and study something shit that is not physicla tradie shit or actually force myself to go to uni?im pushin 40 nikkuh
>>62294530Lmfao if you believe this. If anything the trades will be flooded with former white collar workers causing wages and benefits to become even worse than they already are
>>62294569Agriculture always needs educated people. It's less socially and mentally demanding to go into agroforestry.
if you fall for the low effort trade meme propaganda you're ironically too low IQ for a white collar jobI've only seen /pol/troons fall for it
>>62294517Wow, i want to cum on her face>>62294434The point of learning a trade is to be able to start your own business and scale out instead of stay working for someone else. You can do the same by learning coding, making GOOD products and offering important services.Chances are, you're not smart enough to be able to figure any of these out so it's more profitable to stay a goyslave to your boss
why do goyim, who fell for the "just get a CS degree and you're guaranteed a $200k/yr starter salary at FAGMAN" who are now delivering food after they got replaced by a jeet, incapable of imagining themselves as anything other than a serf? is it because you can't live life without following someone elses orders?
>>62294434reminder to be a mech or elec worker at a nuclear power plant. make 200k with OT. there you go bros.
>Just become a tradie and start your own business son, you don't need no fancy degree
>>62294443>not a parasocial faggot boardYou are parasocially attached to faggots on 4chan, a gay LGBT funded propaganda website that everyone normal left over a decade ago.Laughing out loud. Laughing my ass off.
>>62294444luckily i had a dad, i can just laugh at sam's jokes and nod at his points, then turn off normally did OP actually "debt-maxx" lol, his real dad should have advised against it
>>62294826Despite cheating their entire way through university with AI, they think that there's no way AI could do "their job" (which theyve never even worked before) and are holding out for an AI crash where companies will go back to paying 6 figures for an american to string together for loops and if else statements. They'd rather work door dash and listen to socialists talk about taxing the rich than just realizing they're the very same as the coal workers a decade ago. Telling them to get a job in HVAC is like telling a royal 1000 years ago to go shovel shit.
>>62294569What do you do now? You may be able to get into management for trades, but if you’re too retarded go for being a janitor
>>62294838> retires at fucking 80, without passing down knowledge or training a replacement
>>62294448you are an imbecile lmaot. software engineer who loves wrenching
>>62294439only demoralizing if its true. what say you?
>>62294434You need to name the guy if you want to drive traffic to his channel. Is this your first time doing viral marketing?
>>62294854>>not a parasocial faggot boardCorrect, it's/biz/ - Business & FinanceI'm not sure what to say about the rest of your post. You sound like you're having money troubles.
>>62294517is it a coding test? most jobs don’t even bother with the test because they don’t want to risk running afoul of Griggs vs Duke Power
>>62294434getting paid to say retarded shit (i.e., never having to get a real job.)
Oh no being confined to a life of a plumber making 150k a year dictating your scheduleHow awful
Trades are good. We all need and love plumbers, architects, etc.You can learn shit without burdening yourself with crippling debt from college.Sam Hyde did nothing wrong.
>>62295251is starting your own business is so easy then why do most plumbers work for someone else? also what kind of plumbing are you doing?>residentialcompeting against national plumbing brands and regional private equity backed brands>commercialhow are you going to get these sorts of jobs? are you friends with builders?
>>62295251>>62295290also $150k self employed is more like $100k W-2 because you need to pay for your own payroll taxes, health/dental insurance, disability/life insurance, 401k match, PTO, etc. on top of your business expenses>DUDE JUST WRITE IT OFF LMAO
>>62295299>pay for insurance to see Dr. Sukdeep MDLmao>PTOalready baked in >401kSEPA faggot And yes. Write offs are a thing nigger
>>62294434He never outright says don’t go to college, he said to be sure that you need it for whatever career you are going into.Sam is the only grifter whose advice is specific enough to have helped me in several areas of my life even though he was probably just riding the internet life advice wave to some extent.
>>62294569Study civil engineering technology and become a land surveyor.
>>62295251imaging dying at 50 because you’re breathing oatey fumes 8 hours a day
>>62295312>pay for insurance to see Dr. Sukdeep MDmy doctor is a korean who went to an ivy league medical school. sounds like you're poor and also retarded, for suggesting going without health insurance while working a manual labor job.>already baked in if you're self employed and you don't work, you don't make money. what kind of a dumb nigger response are you suggesting?>SEPA faggot you mean "SEP" and you're once again missing the point. you are responsible for your own matching. there is no employer to provide it for you.>Write offs are a thing niggeri'm a CPA, i'm aware of this. i'm also aware of how retarded and poor most small business owners are, especially solo operations.
>>62295334Basic shit that any sensible parent would tell to their soon-to-be 18 year old child.But you needed a rabbi e-celeb griftoid to tell you common sense life advice?
>>62294978>I'm smarter than every x-profession person ever because I'm a y-profession bigshot at my small nothingburger company!Spoken like only the dumbest of peasant drones could.
>>62294434How the fuck do you learn a trade in a third world country lmao
>>62295377Plumbers make more then you and didnt need years of schooling to get there lmao
>>62294434Why is he visually morphing more and more into a guy that looks like straight from some Soviet era mural?
The truth is that no matter what path you chose you are fucked because our money is toilet paper and kikes are funneling wealth into empty computer buildings and bombs. This tradie wagie vs degree wagie shit is just theater.
>>62298285You can just say Trotsky.
>>62298734>that resemblance mind=blown
>>62298203>thenhow much do you think I make?
>>62294517This is partially why I never had an interest in going, that a degree means nothing anymore. I could take your test, but you wouldn't give it to me because I'm not a graduate. And I don't blame you.
>>62298766Hopefully over 150k or else you failed by doing way more school for less money
>>62298823i own a tax preparation and advisory firm. the average trades employee makes nowhere near $150k. among those who own their own trades service business, many would be lucky to make $100k W-2 equivalent, as i said here. >>62295299
he looks so jewish
>>62298843white collar job that AI is taking over in 5 years, got it. At least you have time to get your cert for plumbing
>>62294434I don't think he actually did any of that. Do you have schizophrenia, by chance?
I got out of software after a decade and went into a trade. It's great. I get to camp out here trading stocks and then my job is super seasonal and it pays my short term capital gains tax. Plus seasonal work is more like what humans evolved to do so it doesn't wreck your body when you're getting 8 month rests. Highly recommend. The only thing I miss is fucking white collar office whores.
>>62294434naah the real secret is that whichever route you choose you're fucked if this kind of people make the masses do the same. theres big money in it only because not many are doing it. this is the classic makes more money selling books about investing than investing
>>62294930i was gonna chastise you for trying to dump on coders, but maybe wannabe FAANG collaborators will finally after so goddamned long finally fucking second-guess the premise of working to empower assholes who don't care about anyone or anything but themselves and their high score (which clearly comes at everyone's direct expense)
>>62294631just plan trees huh>>62294826>just become an entrepreneur bro>>62294959failing my hs degree for the third timesoon to be neeting/unemployed/wellfare recipient again, applying for dead end jobsthinking about continuing trade school or uni in desperation>management for tradeswhat exactly >janitorbad pay I will never make it>>62295358too lazy to engineermaxx i am NOT studying math physics for 5 yearsmath is unironically too hard and gaycould do but not worth with a midwit 100iq, too lazy for that
>>62297684i work at Netflix lmaomy other hobby is fixing up gay ass 2smoke mopeds from the 70s and reselling them to hipsters
>>62295290I work on residential sewers and make $150k+ a year. We just hired a new guy started at $30hr with no experience, if he turns out good he will make 100k within a couple years >>62298843That tends to be the case when you live in bfe ohio
Study in Europe if you have to. There are programs for international students, because its Europe.
>>62294434I fell for the trade meme and my body is already feeling it. The old dudes, the ones that are still able to work, all have issues with multiple joints and hearing loss. My advice would be to get a white collar job and learn a useful trade on your own time.
>>62300098Sure but I know tons of non trade people with knee/hip/shoulder replacement and all kinds of arthritis.
>>62294434the average White man has an IQ of 100If you're 100 IQ you should absolutely learn a trade over going to university
>>62300107Some of those old dudes aren't even 60. If my health keeps deteriorating I'd rather quit than end up a borderline invalid.
>>62300126Why is your health deteriorating due to work?
>>62294434What’s funny is ai is augmenting white collar jobs. But when robots are made tradies will be automated away.>you fell for the learn to code meme meme
>>62300137Mainly joint pain. I already go the gym, which probably helps a bit, but I already have a bad knee which doesn't get better with rest.
some guy I know owns a plumbing business and makes a killing. It's gonna be a while before robots are doing all of the trades reliably.
>>62300155Joint pain happens to all sectors of tbr population. I know many people who never did any blue collar work that have joint problems.
>>62300080what's your hourly rate?
>>62300366We don’t do hourly rate. Thats why we are successful.
>>62300423next time you LARP as a business owner, you should be more consistent with pronouns.>i work (for a non-hourly rate, presumably as an owner)>we hire (someone at an hourly rate)
>>62300532Not everyone hires hourly employees. Lots of small biz employ per/job subsLove your confidence thoughAlways funny having morons confidently being wrong
>>62300532the main reason contractors will often use subs rather than employees is because we don't have to pay for their workman's comp. In fact they're not required to have workman's comp.so all the money that would have normally gone ot workman's comp goes into our pockets. And on small jobs it's significant amounts.the risk is we may get injured on the job, but that doesn't matter since our health insurance has to cover us for on the job injuries.
>>62300532in fact purchasing unnecessary workman's comp means paying extremely high rates for redundant insurance, since self-employed people are covered at work by their regular insurance.this is why it's not required by law, most contractors don't buy it, and lots of contractors employ subs rather than employees.
The idea behind trades is that you need to start your own company as soon as possible and hire Mexicans / Guatemalans / Pakis / whatever so you have other morons working for you while you collect cash and chill out. No one is stupid enough to actually advocate working those shitty jobs themselves.
>>62300532the other thing we may do is take some of the savings from not buying workman's comp and pass them back to the client. basically since we can operate cheaper than a larger business with employees and workman's comp, we can afford to lower our prices a bit, virtually guaranteeing we get any job we bid on.the down side of that is scalability. Past a few dozen workers, it gets really difficult to coordinate a bunch of independent contractors on a single project. Eventually you're going to need people that follow orders. Then you have to hire wagies.
>>62300616in the US hiring illegal labor locks you out of commercial and government work.it's also a good way to get sued.but even if you avoid being sued, you're stuck working for the general public, and they suck.
>>62300641They are not illegals, just temporarily undocumented.
>>62300650what happens is your competition sues you for unfair business practices and hauls you into court where you have to prove your workers are all legal.generally this bankrupts the company and you have to start a whole new business a month or two later. Eventually you learn not to employ illegals, or to make sure you travel around a lot so nobody has reason to sue you
>>62300655Counter sue them for discrimination and racial profiling, easy money. It's not pretty but you need to use the tools you are given to get ahead in life.
>>62300663language has nothing to do with racesomeone on your crew speaking spanish is reason enough to question whether your crew is legal or notit would be funny to get a bunch of legal mexicans together to build houses, but in real life if you find a mexican working construction they're not legal
>>62300641What would you recommend to get out of serving the general public?Moved to America a year ago. Found a random masonry job. Opened my own LLC, got licensed, insured, have gotten two painting jobs. I did them by subbing out the work to some uninsured guys I know. My job was to connect the dude that does the work and the client.I am tired of being poor (6k/mo). I am tired of doing shitty labor all day.I am thinking of going into concrete as well, but as you said - working for the general public sucks. Most people have zero money, and most people don’t care about quality.You can sell all day and use the Hormozi tactics and make good profit, really good if you consider customer LTV, charging a higher price, instilling fear in the customer that another contractor might fuck up the concrete pour etc.But it’s a GRIND. Lots of pricing garbage leads from Google Ads, people who have no money or ask to pay later.
>>62300685>someone on your crew speaking spanish is reason enough to question whether your crew is legal or notIt's definitely not. That's 100% racial profiling and discrimination and like I said it's easy money. There are millions of Spanish speaking people in the USA living legally and you try to claim that just because someone in the crew speaks Spanish they are here illegally?
>>62300693easiest way is to go to work for some prime contractor, general contractor, or property management company and let them worry about finding you work.striking out on your own is very difficult when you're that niche. It's not common at least where I live for the public to hire a concrete guy. They usually find a general contractor who knows a guy. You'd want to be the guy he knows. If possible you'd want to be every contractor's concrete guy so you're getting work from multiple sources
>>62300591i have several clients who own trades businesses. i've never once seen this.
>>62300704>That's 100% racial profiling and discrimination and like I said it's easy money.it only works if it turns out your crew was legaland if your crew was legal you can countersue them just for wasting your timebut again, in real life, your crew wasn't legal so you can't countersue for anything. Illegal aliens don't get to win discrimination suits when they're legally fired.
>>62300712you're 12. You'll see more as you get older
>>62300711The company I work at has a million dollar contract with a property management company. Easiest money ever. Basic landscaping/power washing/painting work.But the question is how do you get on their radar?Perhaps google ads targetting commercial keywords? I will say this - running Google ads I have seen quite a few GCs and property managers have hit us up, but the companys pricing was over what they were looking for.I think I’m going to tailor my marketing towards GCs and bigger clients.
>>62300726i'm 36. you don't save money by contracting out, so there are no savings to be had.
>>62300741I worked extremely cheap for a year doing all the work myself to get the word out. Once you get a regular client or two they will tell others assuming they don't want to keep you a secret.if they do want to keep you a secret just bump your prices up and start bugging them for more work. Chances are if they don't have a job going they know someone that does.
>>62300766>you don't save money by contracting out, so there are no savings to be had.kek'd out loudok thanks for your stunning advice.
>>62300766Workers comp companys audit you at the end of the year to make sure your declared payroll corresponds to reality. I assume you could pay your subs and declare it is a material expense or some bullshit.You can’t do that with W2 workers.>>62300767Great stuff, thanks. I guess I just need more time in the game.
>>62300802>you could pay your subs and declare it is a material expense or some bullshit.you write it off as labor expense. It's legal to sub work. You have to pay them more than a wagie to cover their S/E tax, but they get paid less than you because they're not finding jobs, buying insurance, administering jobs, managing the job, dealing with the client.This is actually how most large contractors work. We often don't hire wagies to do the work, we hire other companies. Then we don't have to vet a million rotating employees, that becomes the job of our subs.
>>62300826a lot of times the Prime Contractor will never even see the job site. Most 8(a) and small biz government contracting is done by a company that subs 100% of the work and probably never even visits the job.anon saying this doesn't happen, or doesn't pay, is a child pretending to know stuff about contracting. How to make money hiring subs is basic contracting 101
>>62300826Right on - but I heard that during audits the workers comp company will check you contracts and look for COIs from ALL your subs to make sure you subbed out to insured people - and if not you get charged a premium increase as the subs are considered uninsured laborers.I don’t know if this is true or just a scary story though.
>>62294434He also told people to debtmax, take out as much as they possibly can and not pay it back.
>>62300835as to why a client wouldn't just hire the subs themselves and save the money, it's usually because the Prime carries qualifications or insurance the sub doesn't have.My subs don't have liability insurance, bond, or the connections to find work. They also don't want to deal with clients and most of them are horrible at customer service.so I find them jobs, insure them, and make sure they never talk to a client. All for 30-40% off the top.
>>62300845yes, but if you don't have a single employee you will never be audited by workman's compMy liability company has on occasion checked to see if my subs are insured, but all that happens is my insurance goes up a couple hundred dollars a year. Not a big deal.
>>62300845the other thing you have to watch out for is the IRS classifying your subs as employees.but the way to get around this is just to follow the law.I don't hire subs that ONLY work for me. That would be an employee.I hire businesses that work for multiple clients, including me.
>>62300850How do you make sure they don’t yapto the client?On my second project I couldn’t be present as I was working at my wagie job, so I just left the uninsured sub alone all day with the client. Lol. The only thing he would pay me for reasonably is quality control and customer service, as the subs are basically chimps that barely speak English.
>>62300865>How do you make sure they don’t yapto the client?In my line of work the client is usually not allowed on the job site. But since I've had problems in the past I've warned my guys if they ever talk to one of my clients I'll make sure they never work in this town again.not for my protection, but for theirs. Every time one of them opens their stupid mouth the client demands I fire them.
>>62300877That’s awesome. In my case it was interior renovation for a designer who does “some” carpentry himself so its a cointoss that he might’ve just poached the subs for himself. I was only present on final sign off.You clearly know your stuff…I feel like I’m drilling you here but if I may ask do you do digital marketing or are you fully word of mouth?Google Ads ime just doesn’t work that well for some niches (niches that are DIY prone and hyper competitive like painting).
>>62300853This is genius. So you just get a mickey mouse policy with 1$ mil limits and a 0$ nominal payroll. Haha.
>>62300891>if I may ask do you do digital marketing or are you fully word of mouth?I do industrial environmental so 90% word of mouth and about 10% of leads from my SAM listing for fed jobs.in reality half my work is commercial/industrial and the other half is federal. But most of my federal work is also word of mouth. People talk to each other.>>62300908I'm currently at $3mm including PCO which is basically redundant to the bond but necessary to assign contracts, meaning I can't borrow against my contracts without bonding and insuring them for completion.I never deal with workman's comp, but my insurance company is covering my subs, so they check how much I pay subs and treat that as payroll. IRS does the same.where I'm actually saving money is in not having workman's comp, and also by paying the subs less than half what I charge the client.
>>62294434>>condemns hundreds of young white men to the permanent underclass by selling them the trade meme and dissuading them from going to higher educationUnironically, it enrages me that this trust fund, art school fuck-up, who tore up his Adult Swim winning lottery ticket, goes and gives life advice like he knows anything, and basic bitch life advice at that, and then randomly, due to factors he couldn't have predicted (the rise of generative AI), his advice ends up being absolutely correct.
>>62300891suddenly this thread feels very jewish
>>62300932>by paying the subs less than half what I charge the client.and this is a simple matter of insurance.uninsured guy running a backhoe can get $75 per hour. If he got insurance and knew how to bid contracts and do accounting he'd be making $150/hour. So I do the stuff he doesn't know or want to know which doubles his wages and I take half. Meaning he gets what he always does, I get paid the difference, and everyone makes money.
>>62300532I didn’t say I’m the owner.I make $150k as an employee.We (the owner and I) hired a new guy at $30/hr.Any other questions?
>>62300959Yes, /biz/ in general is very anti-capitalismany enterprise that makes money doesn't sit well with our local nazi population.
>>62300932Sick. You have a great thing going on I’m gonna be there one day too. Lol.I just need to get to 5-6k income per month from the business year-round so that I can go full time and focus on what matters - bidding good work, or expanding marketing efforts to bring in bigger and better clients.Wageslaving is a necessary part of the process to take things off the ground, but every kinute working for someone else kills my soul a tiny percent.>>62300959Making money is jewish of course. Being a slave to people who havw the balls to make money is noble.
>>62301007>or expanding marketing efforts to bring in bigger and better clients.eventually you'll wind up traveling to get work, but that's ok too.
I make 45/hr in a large east coast city never got an associates. I work inside with a/c and most of the time don't do shit only caveat is I work overnight but if works for me and my family. My friends with bachelor's can't get jobs right now. Job market is shit for everyone and mr Hyde's audience of socially retarded dents aren't the type of people to be able to parlay a degree into a good job so I think non - meme blue collar work is a good suggestion for spergs like me.I go into interviews and talk shit cause I have skills and paperwork that prove them and I got paid the entire time I got educated.
White collar jobs are given to infinity jeets or AI.
>>62300562>hire contract>no insurance>probably hires spics before whitesLolLmaoBoomers deserve all the torment they will get in the nursing homes.
>>62301843>probably hires spics before whites>literally a dozen posts about what happens to people that hire illegalslearn to read bro.or you might wind up working for me
>>62294530> degree was supposed to be a golden ticket, now it's a participation trophytrades are the real safe bet now, always gonna need someone to wire the server racks
>>62294573> imagine thinking the white collar exodus is gonna save trades wages and not just make them compete harder for scraps
>>62294838> enjoy your 60 hour weeks and busted knees by 40
>>62294930> using ai to cheat through uni then coping that it can't replace your job is some real clown world shit. i switched to sentx.ai for actual work and it's way more useful than whatever they're pretending to do.
>>62295251> 150k and still crying on the internet about your own life choices
>>62294434>>62301473>>62300969>>62300693>>62300095>>62300080>>62299430>>62298203>>62295282>just sniff shit gas and destroy your body for $30/hr>NOOoOoooOoo SAAR do not redeem the $225k a year plus equity bonuses cyber security jobs they belong to H1-B visa Indians saar>saar do not earn $200 an hour for life in an easy high status cushy job as a medical doctor saar - become HVAC and crawl around eating spiders and sucking in filth saar
>>62294573So, once that day comes, would you rather be the tradie graybeard with 10 years of experience or the latte drinking lankoid who hasn't hammered a single nail in his life and will need an extra dose of anxiety meds to deal with the average tradie workplace?
>>62294930It's not the AI fucking them, it is offshoring and the maturing of their industry. Software engineering is going through EXACTLY the same thing that the rest of ebgineering fields went through in the 90s when the entire 1st world rugpulled them by moving all manufacturing to china, most resource extraction to the third world and going all in on free trade which killed most regional players and left just the big global ones.They used to wonder why engineering was paid less than software, well now they are learning why. I really don't think people realize how few engineers the world needs to satisfy the current demand in this globalized world. Each country used to have its own telegraph companies and engineers designing them, now a few engineers design the iphone which gets manufactured by the hundreds of millions in china and then delivered to the entire planet, all by just 1 company.Now that software is maturing as an industry, it is going through the same one two punch of killing redundant work (which makes up most labor) and offshoring as much as possible of what remains.You can only make so much money before someone figures out how to get a desperate thirdie to do your job for less, and virtually any country of over 100 million people has enough manpower to completely take over all of software and non software engineering jobs if they really want to and invest hard into it.I hope you enjoy it when your labor cost has to compete with Surmadavili in Georgia, Jamal in Egypt, Ranjesh in India and Rachel Sacramento in the Philipines, because it's going to be that way for the rest of your life.
>>62302730this. the white man needs to know his place
>>62302730Yeah no shit I would want those jobs but they won't hire me you fucking mongoloid.I could bitch about it on a basket weaving forum like you or actually try and adapt to how much the world hates me and succeed regardless.
>>62294444Quads of truth!
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>>62302730Being a doctor isn’t a cushy job lmao. 225k IT jobs aren’t just growing on trees, they’re getting harder and harder to find.
>>62303414Some of them are going away due to AI supposedly but actually the money for software development is drying up since the growth period is clearly over. There is not going to be a next Amazon, Youtube, Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Netflix, etc. If you're looking for a job you're gonna be competing against infinity indians for entry level positions where software performance becomes increasingly irrelevant due to how hardware efficiency gains. We're well past the point where you could get a multi-year contract just because Facebook is trying to prevent you from working for the competition and then places you in a meaningless position.
>>62303414My wife is in family medicine and it's the cushiest bullshit job I've ever seen. She owns her own practice and just works 4 days a week, maybe 30 to 35 hours, and charges the government and insurance companies retarded amounts of money.
>>62303414yet somehow everyone on the internet has a job like that. even this board no one has a normal job its all six figures do nothing nonsense
