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heh monero

I made it via XMR, you can too. It's pretty easy too. Still have a stack only a quarter million people could muster

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based crabcoin

>>62301077
Idk bro. How does me or you “making it” (eww) have anything to do with the specific transactional and/or bartering capabilities of Monero?

Seems like you have impure intentions. Have you considered selling your coins and buying different crypto that cares about these base instincts like “getting financial freedom and providing for your family”? Gross.

>>62301203
>-10% on the week
>crabcoin
You would be lucky to crab. This is a tanking coin

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Reminder that the only way to get rich reliably is to earn lots of currency.

I think monero is cool

>>62301338
Actually there are millions of people who have earned trillions through number go up.

But keep baking those cookies! Your last batch even had some peanut butter! YUMMMM :-P

Absolute stone cold FACTS

In the last year, XMR is -17%
In the last FIVE years, XMR is only +26%

But we have cookies!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>62301401
>Actually there are millions of people who have earned trillions through number go up.
Its basically free exit liquidity.

>>62301489
Simple solution: click “sell” on the asset.

>>62301445
Where were you when we were at 800

>>62301546
Are you implying I should have sold? Why? I thought this was the best currency ever.

26% in five fucking years

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>>62301252
>week

>>62301566
I'm wondering why you weren't crying about how we need super shillers and moonchads when we were at 800

Every time it drops below $342 I start twitching and convulsing and every time it goes back above $342 I feel euphoric

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Gents, I'd been waiting for an entry. Swapped 90% of my Kaspa and just increased my stack by 100 XMR about an hour ago. God bless Monero

I sold, so it's going to start going up now. No need to thank me.

what the FUCK

>>62301247
>Bro I only can be financially free if I speculate on these unregulated and unsecured financial goods.
Get a job, get paid in XMR.

>>62301626
He wasn't paid for his moonboy fud. I'd guess the one behind the moonboys are the same as behind the zec shilling because they always come at the same time and with the same arguments.

>>62301626
We still do even at $800, but people were, you know, happy the price went up? What the fuck kind of question is this?

>>62302567
You have no argument against anything I’m saying so you default back to muh paid shill. Like I’m being paid to say mean things about your stupid little Tor sovereign citizen coin.

Nobody needs to pay me to see the fact that you had a 26% gain in FIVE FUCKING YEARS. Why would I need to be paid to notice that? It’s right there in front of you.

People are dropping out of ETH in droves right now for having similarly paltry returns. Why the fuck should you be exempt from market reality? Because xmrbazaar said its “total users” went up? (aka nobody deleted their account). This whole community is fucking pathetic and doesn’t care about its users ACTUAL freedom, which comes from a lack of financial restrictions on your behavior.

>>62302786
>You have no argument against anything I’m saying so you default back to muh paid shill.
I don't read moonfag's posts because I don't care about you trying to speculate on something that get used for actual goods and services.

>>62302831
>muh moonfag
Typical bullshit for these threads. Acting pretentious over literally selling drugs. Did you know that people can also buy actual goods and services from the ASSETS THEY SOLD HIGHER THAN THEY BOUGHT THEM?

Where does this perspective come from? I have long thought you people are actually feds intentionally trying to keep Monero obscure. The only legitimate activity is buying your fucking bake sale items. You’re a piece of shit. Whether you’re a fed or just a loser who doesn’t understand markers, financial economics or the state of the world we live in, just understand: you have no basis for your pretentiousness around “muh bartering”, you have invented this idea of “sacrosanct economic activity” in your head and it doesn’t correspond with reality at all.

Nobody who encounters Monero today knows that they are being ideological Trojan horsed with this bartering-only agorist bullshit. It is obviously killing any potential this coin had. The entire world is built upon various forms of financialization, many of which are scams, but many of which are incredibly productive and lucrative for investors. By eschewing the economic engine of the FUCKING WORLD you are condemning everyone in this community to a life of poverty and obscurity.

The only people who could support that are Feds or retards. I hope you die in a fire faggot

i called $225 in the previous thread and you all laughed at me. kek baggies

>>62302883
kek indeed. This community isn’t willing to do anything to actually protect themselves or their purchasing power.

Why not do something to reduce the float of the coin? Nope. Why not do something to increase volume? Nope. Can’t one of the XMR whales do something in service of the amazing community that made them multimillionaires? Nope.

Can we even get a coordinated shill campaign using marketing materials that are actually relevant and current? Nope, best we can do is the rehashed shit from 5 years ago.

THIS COMMUNITY CANNOT DO ANYTHING. They are all just waiting around for the 5 devs in MRL to take care of everything. There’s no fight here, there’s no positioning, there’s no intelligence.

The best fucking coin EVER CREATED is being fucking wasted on faggots who believe in the same economic principles of the medieval ages.

That this coin is being successfully suppressed by Feds/jews/retards is the biggest travesty in the history of mankind.

>>62302912
you sound like a baggie mate. i can feel the cortisol spike from here

>>62303034
Why wouldn’t your cortisol spike after discovering the best currency of all time is just filled with people who LITERALLY DONT WANT IT TO MOON. Who are genuinely delusional enough to think that they’re happier bartering for cheese than actually obtaining financial power from the currency’s advantages.

It’s absolutely infuriating being around these people (Feds). With a golden goose in their barn, they refuse to let it lay eggs. Out of some made up doll fucking “principle”.

>>62302786
>This whole community is fucking pathetic and doesn’t care about its users ACTUAL freedom, which comes from a lack of financial restrictions on your behavior.
You are too stupid and ignorant to understand just how fucking stupid and ignorant you actually are. Your financial illiteracy is truly a wonder to behold.

You are so desperate for Monero to pump ASAP because you are too stupid, ignorant and lazy to get rich the old fashioned way - by innovating, being productive and earning a lot of currency.

Meanwhile, the intelligent, capable and hard-working Monero chads are out there (vibe)coding the platforms that will service the needs of the emerging digital counter-economy, they're going to get rich regardless of whether XMR pumps or not because they'll be *earning* mucho Monero continuously thru sales, fees and/or commissions.

Not to mention that all this use of Monero as p2p digital cash only grows its network effect and establishes it as a real-world alternative payment system in the minds of normie merchants and consumers. Which in turn grows demand and slowly drives up price.

Your stupidity and greed blind you to the inescapable fact that getting rich quick isn't realistic, unlike getting rich slowly which is actually quite doable with enough time, effort and a lil luck.

So by all means, continue sperging out and banging your head against the wall, your skull is so thick and your cerebrum so tiny that you can rest assured no harm is being done.

>>62303157
Relax pussy it will go to 5 figs eventually

>>62303265
>Meanwhile, the intelligent, capable and hard-working Monero chads are out there (vibe)coding the platforms that will service the needs of the emerging digital counter-economy
I straight up do not believe that you believe this. Every single XMR handle on Twitter is doing exactly as you say: VIBEcoding a piece of shit website that will be used by nobody. It’s honestly embarrassing watching them all

>hurrdurr use XMRhub. I vibed it in a day!
>hurrdurr use XMRbets
>hurrdurr use XMRdragondildodolls

All of them with the exact same fucking information and functionality. Thanks bro I was really looking for the 400th website to tell me XMR’s market cap!

And even worse is everyone turns into their own shill for their own vibe coded slopsite. So instead of the conversation actually being about MONERO, 60% of their posts are them trying to shill their retarded site.

Regardless of your retarded philosophy, this is not actually how you ORGANIZE AROUND A CENTRAL IDEA. A bunch of low agreeableness, anti-social retards (agorists) making completely redundant and terrible websites doesn’t actually DO anything but waste time and fracture the main effort. This is a huge reason why libertarianism never went anywhere: because the psychology of the people it attracted is literally antithetical toward organizing around a SHARED GOAL.

Look at zec in comparison, as fake and gay as it is. The winklevoss twins creating a bullshit company just to publicly HOLD ZEC. Relentless shilling campaigns all about raising the profile and opinion of the COIN. A concerted effort to normalize ZOLDling. Contracting with shills like mert to sell “recovery services” to normies to keep expanding.

All of this requires at the very least an agreeable personality that actually wants to COMMUNE around a shared goal. But the agorfaggots think any group organization — including one that would dramatically increase their networth — violates their independence (anti-social personality).

>>62303729
You are such an insufferable kike.

>>62303729
>I straight up do not believe that you believe this. Every single XMR handle on Twitter is doing exactly as you say: VIBEcoding a piece of shit website that will be used by nobody. It’s honestly embarrassing watching them all
>
>>hurrdurr use XMRhub. I vibed it in a day!
>>hurrdurr use XMRbets
>>hurrdurr use XMRdragondildodolls
>
>All of them with the exact same fucking information and functionality. Thanks bro I was really looking for the 400th website to tell me XMR’s market cap!
>
>And even worse is everyone turns into their own shill for their own vibe coded slopsite. So instead of the conversation actually being about MONERO, 60% of their posts are them trying to shill their retarded site.
Free market competition will slowly weed out the losing paradigms as usual. See the dot com bubble and its aftermath for many such examples.

>A bunch of low agreeableness, anti-social retards (agorists) making completely redundant and terrible websites doesn’t actually DO anything but waste time and fracture the main effort.
The main effort is pumping your oh so heavy bags apparently.

>Look at zec in comparison, as fake and gay as it is. The winklevoss twins creating a bullshit company just to publicly HOLD ZEC. Relentless shilling campaigns all about raising the profile and opinion of the COIN. A concerted effort to normalize ZOLDling. Contracting with shills like mert to sell “recovery services” to normies to keep expanding.
Oh, so you recognize that the whole effort is a blatant pump and dump yet you want us to help you ruin Monero accordingly? Priceless!

>All of this requires at the very least an agreeable personality that actually wants to COMMUNE around a shared goal. But the agorfaggots think any group organization — including one that would dramatically increase their networth — violates their independence (anti-social personality).
Our goal is very clear, retard: p2p digital cash and the freedom to earn and spend it in a thriving underground economy.

>>62304019
>Free market competition will slowly weed out the losing paradigms as usual. See the dot com bubble and its aftermath for many such examples.
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Are you just not aware of all the government deals, insider investments and centralized selection that occurred to “decide the winners” of the dotcom era? Do you actually think old ladies buying books is what made Amazon “win”? How fucking naive can you be? Did Facebook have no investment from In-Q-Tel too? Faggot.

>ruin Monero
Using your time and energy to raise the profile of your asset is not “ruining” it, you subversive federal agent FAGGOT.

>p2p digital cash
Haven’t you already achieved that? You bought those brownies from that guy on xmrbazaar! Goal achieved! What are you still doing here?

>>62300949
They're really going to run Ztrash to 1k during the bear so XMR dies. Why is the market so fake and gay bros. Did the giga XMR whales still not run out of bags to dump on us after 3 top cycles.

>>62304087
You misunderstand anon. I bought some cookies. Everything is fine. Why do you care about this “monetary gain” thing?

>>62304066
>Literally what the fuck are you talking about? Are you just not aware of all the government deals, insider investments and centralized selection that occurred to “decide the winners” of the dotcom era? Do you actually think old ladies buying books is what made Amazon “win”? How fucking naive can you be? Did Facebook have no investment from In-Q-Tel too? Faggot.
You forgot da j00z and freemasons.

>>62304066
>Using your time and energy to raise the profile of your asset is not “ruining” it, you subversive federal agent FAGGOT.
Yes, shilling XMR as a guaranteed windfall to crypto-fatigued normies on Twitter who hear literally the exact same pitch from other desperate baggies 50 times a day is clearly the only winning strategy here.

>>62304066
>Haven’t you already achieved that? You bought those brownies from that guy on xmrbazaar! Goal achieved! What are you still doing here?
Exposing opportunistic snakes like you.

>>62304087
>They're really going to run Ztrash to 1k during the bear so XMR dies. Why is the market so fake and gay bros. Did the giga XMR whales still not run out of bags to dump on us after 3 top cycles.
Doubtful, the higher ZEC is artificially pumped the greater the urgency to take profits. It never lasts, remember how ZEC hit $700+ and then promptly crashed below XMR again? Shameless pump and dump with no organic support. Crypto in general is a dying now that AI has become the new crypto, it'll all be downhill from here on out as far as baggies are concerned.

And XMR can't die as long as it remains used as p2p digital cash for unregulated commerce, there will always be a floor. ZEC can die quite easily since nobody actually needs it, there is zero productivity involved with trading coins back and forth.

>>62302912
>Can’t one of the XMR whales do something in service of the amazing community that made them multimillionaires? Nope.
You mean like funding the development of monero itself? Its mostly whales donating to the CCS
fuck off and sell your bags. I buy low and trade my xmr for LSD and ketamine and don't hold to get rich. You wanna make money? buy some coke and flip it for insane profit. Name any other crypto with that kinda market and I'll hop ship in a day.
Besides bitcoin, nobody else is trading any other crypto for any real tangible object and because of this fact, I will stay with xmr while idiots like you can go chase the next big thing

>>62302861
>It's just for drugs
Fuck off shill

>>62302861
>>62302912
>>62304066
Have you tried building the things you wish to see instead of crying about the lack of it on 4chan?

>>62304184
Literally everything you said is a disingenuous straw man. You can’t actually contend with the real argument so you avoid it (like a Jew)

>>62304273
I never talked about “building” a presumably redundant 300th vibe coded slopsite. I talk about changing the culture here to actually value REAL freedom which is economic power. That’s not something I can build alone. It’s something I have to advocate for in commune with all of the other people in Monero who might actually value legitimately transformative technology.

Instead I am continually met with a brick wall of ideological retardation. People who strawman crypto scams (>>62304184) as an argument against any type of marketing or economic consideration of the performance of the coin at all. It’s disingenuous, massively retarded and irresponsible, and makes me suspicious of who could be behind such an obviously sabotaging approach.

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>>62304186
>buy some coke and flip it for insane profit.
Or build and run a DNM if you don't want to get your hands dirty, admins earn a commission on every sale, its how they get to retire as millionaires after only a few of years of business. Assuming they don't get caught, of course.

We are now living in a time where AI-assistance enables 1 person to do the work of 10, with the right guardrails and prompts you can supercharge your productivity by many orders of magnitude, you can innovate, prototype and build all manner of solutions and potentially monetize them for serious profit. And what is this faggot doing? Whining about the lack of interest in mindless Twitter shilling that is delaying the pumping of his heavy bags.


>>62304362
>Literally everything you said is a disingenuous straw man. You can’t actually contend with the real argument so you avoid it (like a Jew)
Oh hai Mav. You've basically acknowledged that you want to turn XMR into another ZEC. Pretty much sums your agenda up.

>>62304362
Youre right and the retards here say youre wrong because theyre socialist niggers who dont believe investors should profit off of the single act of ownership.
The price of monero ought to increase to compensate for the risk we take holding it, and for the expenses miners make to keep the system running.
All markets do this, and nobody complains. Theres only complaints about moonfags with XMR.
I agree, moonfags are annoying as fuck, but we should expect to see returns that are atleast above inflation.

>>62304490
> Or build and run a DNM if you don't want to get your hands dirty,
And here we go, the fed directly encouraging people to create a fucking drug market. And they say I was the one implying Monero is “just for drugs”. Fuck you.

>Assuming they don't get caught, of course.
KEK

>>62304543
DNMs aren't restricted to just drugs, retard. Monero United is a DNM and sells only legal goods and services. XmrBazzar also now has a darknet variant, its the way of the future.

If you had any initiative and work ethic you'd be jumping on the bandwagon and establishing yourself while its still early. Shit, even just an active darknet blog/forum might be able to yield you a decent cash flow once advertisers (XMR businesses) start showing up. But no, all you can muster up is OMG GUISE LETS SPAM TWITTER WITH $10000000 XMR PRICE PREDICTIONS!!!!!

Your low IQ, lack of talent and ability to work hard, take risks and delay gratification doom you to forever be a loser with big dreams, forever talking a big game with nothing to ultimately show for it. You and every other deluded crypto baggie in current year.

>>62304543
you have invested more than you can afford to lose, and now you are crying about it on an obscure, dying internet forum.

relax and buy some cheapies, we will be 5 figs soon enough.

>>62304684
>you have invested more than you can afford to lose
and it's probably like $20k kek, what a poorfag

>>62304362
>I never talked about “building” a presumably redundant 300th vibe coded slopsite. I talk about changing the culture here to actually value REAL freedom which is economic power. That’s not something I can build alone. It’s something I have to advocate for in commune with all of the other people in Monero who might actually value legitimately transformative technology.

Wasn't this you? >>62300167
You could vibecode 90% of the shit you're talking about here, create a twitter, and spread your shillslop memes to attract the people you want to see in the community to help further your agenda.
Be the change ,if you build it, etc.

>>62304671
>work ethic; work hard; delay gratification
Kek. Imagine having the chutzpah to say this to someone in the golden age of corruption/fall of America. Should I have gumption too? A firm handshake? This is social conditioning meant for boomers, not people who grew up on the internet and actually understand the concept of network effects/exponentials.

>DNM
This may come as a surprise to you, fed, but some people don’t actually want to fall into your entrapment scheme. Are you actually implying that the only legitimate way to contribute to Monero is to break the fucking law? What if I don’t want to literally put myself up for being hacked/arrested/killed by some druggie or Feds in a standoff? What if I want to support this community economically through financial power? You don’t even acknowledge it as a legitimate action. Because you’re an ideologue and/or fed Jew.

>>62304684
This was supposed to be the real bitcoin with the all time chart pattern to end all chart patterns. In a few months the trend will be invalidated and faggots like the fed will be *HAPPY* about the opportunity to waste 5 more years of their life before anything notable happens again.

>>62304797
Wrong

>>62304806
The only thing that can be vibe coded from that quote is the zecbot, which I don’t know the first thing about doing, or (more importantly) somehow doing it while avoiding the ban hammer on Twitter.

>>62304983
>Kek. Imagine having the chutzpah to say this to someone in the golden age of corruption/fall of America. Should I have gumption too? A firm handshake? This is social conditioning meant for boomers, not people who grew up on the internet and actually understand the concept of network effects/exponentials.
Ah there we are, the litany of usual excuses for not wanting to work hard, sacrifice and delay gratification. This is why you'll never amount to anything, you give up right away. Might as well just go on welfare then.

>This may come as a surprise to you, fed, but some people don’t actually want to fall into your entrapment scheme. Are you actually implying that the only legitimate way to contribute to Monero is to break the fucking law? What if I don’t want to literally put myself up for being hacked/arrested/killed by some druggie or Feds in a standoff? What if I want to support this community economically through financial power? You don’t even acknowledge it as a legitimate action. Because you’re an ideologue and/or fed Jew.
How is selling legal goods and services breaking the law?

Deadbeat Mav can't earn so he makes hippie-tier excuses and desperately shills his heavy bags.

>>62305040
>>62304490
>Or build and run a DNM
In what sense is it a “DNM” if every fucking good is legal?

>psychologizing boomerisms
Save it gramps. It’s 2026 and the looting phase is well underway.

ZEC above $600 again
I just love selling these cute cupcakes

>>62305084
>>In what sense is it a “DNM” if every fucking good is legal?
A DarkNet Market is simply an e-commerce platform hosted on the darknet, that's all. Mod a clearnet shopping cart to work with Tor/I2P and voila, you're running a DNM.

DNMs have historically been drug markets but that's started to change recently. If you want to be pedantic you could call them darknet grey markets.


>>62305098
>ZEC above $600 again
>I just love selling these cute cupcakes
Its just rubes getting fleeced. It's the standard memecoin formula:

>whales buys low and commence wash trading
>hype up their dipshit social media army with "zomg dis be de next BTC, yo"
>dump on them at the opportune moment
>rinse and repeat every few months until every last cent has been drained out
>move on to the next coin

The only people getting rich off ZEC are the handful of whales doing the fleecing. A story as old as time.

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>>62305098
>It's totally not wanting to fud you, goy
Funny how the moonfags all just come out of the woodworks when other FUD campaigns are spinning up

>>62304983
>The only thing that can be vibe coded from that quote is the zecbot, which I don’t know the first thing about doing, or (more importantly) somehow doing it while avoiding the ban hammer on Twitter.
So go learn?
Or don't make an actual chatbot, make a bot that notifies you every time someone says something provably stupid and wrong about monero (eg monero doesn't have zk tech like we do) and respond to it yourself (what do you think pedersen commitments are).
Or use AI to create updated memes on how orchard is still shit, or how to project tachyon is just mina protocol with extra steps.
Or literally just ask grok to make a sales pitch for Monero

>>62305172
>>62305209
It’s funny how you idiots act like you know this ZEC pump is the same as the last. First of all, it’s obviously pumping much higher than any other time except immediately after launch. They have many more initiatives, partnerships, ZEC-aligned companies, shills, investors etc than last time. They are obviously positioning for a long term pump. Why would the winklevoss twins create the CYPH company? Why is fucking Brian Armstrong talking about “HTTPS” for bitcoin (privacy). They’re clearly obtaining all the big money in crypto exiting BTC. None of that is going to Monero.

You don’t actually know this won’t stay pumped for years.

>>62305327
ZEC has no users and no realistic prospects for attracting users within its intended demographic e.g. the cypherpunk and privacy spaces. Just muse on that awhile as you ponder why nobody else cares how much ZEC pumps.

Or even simpler: what is the realistic value of a privacy tool that is radioactive to actual privacy tool enjoyers?

It's still just a glorified pump 'n dump like 99% of all crypto, shithead. The fact that you're unable to comprehend this underscores your genuinely low IQ.

>You don’t actually know this won’t stay pumped for years.
kek with what liquidity? Crypto is old hat, its all about AI now.

Regular cash flow earners not affected.

>>62305327
>It's totally different goyim
>Same arguments as last time
None of this addresses the core issues zec has like still having opt-in privacy.

>>62305390
>ZEC has no users
Neither does BTC and look what they did to that.

XMR
-13% this week
Now only +21% in FIVE YEARS

>>62305464
we're going to $250 nigga

the things i'd do for a monerochan plushie...

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I lost everything

>>62305593
I am dead inside. Bought at 300€

>>62305507
And you’re going to pretend that’s good right?

>>62305769
i sold higher so yes, it's awesome

>>62305786
Hey fed where is the scorn for this guy ^?

He fucking SOLD XMR just for monetary gain. He didn’t work for that money, he didn’t earn it. Didn’t even bake a cake for it.

>>62305798
let the goyim deal in the real world

Market is jewish why we follow the price market jewish monerobros? We have to reject te jewish market and sell and buy monero in a fix community price

>>62305804
Kek

monero si for privacy....privacy rules...who cares about speculation.
I want governments to get their hands off my money

the funny thing is loosers still are looking for some privacy coins to send money. their are mixers, and other services to even hide your USDT....

>>62305457
>>Neither does BTC and look what they did to that.
Oh, given that you understand that a coin with no actual users but lots of hype is really just a glorified pump and dump, so what? Anybody paying attention knows by now that BTC was systematically pumped by unbacked tether for years, making its true liquidity highly suspect.

>>62305798
>Hey fed where is the scorn for this guy ^?
>
>He fucking SOLD XMR just for monetary gain. He didn’t work for that money, he didn’t earn it. Didn’t even bake a cake for it.
Speculation is a real but higher risk way of making money. So is gambling at casinos. But odds are his coins were bought by somebody going shopping. Ruminate awhile why that matters so much.

Nobody's stopping you from speculating on XMR, go right ahead. Just don't come here expecting our help with degenerating XMR into yet another pump 'n dump.

>>62305898
>pump and dump
>no liquidity blah blah blah
I’ve seen you make these arguments time and again for years now. You have the same phrasing, you’re here all the time. You desperately NEED to tell everyone that speculation in Monero is the worst thing that can happen.

Nobody wants to shut down your stupid bake shop. But HOLDING coins long term and speculating on it are extremely important aspects of M-O-N-E-Y. And you constantly countersignal it for no reason other than your ulterior motives.

>coins were bought by somebody going shopping. Ruminate awhile why that matters so much.
Oh I have ruminated. And it matters maybe 5% as much as you think it does. Transactional utility is great, nobody wants to shut it down. But it’s pretty niche actually. For DNMs it’s maybe slightly different/more important, but there’s no shortage of payment vehicles in the modern economy. Open up a regular brick and mortar business. You’ll have 10,000 Jewish vibecode apps begging to process your payments for a couple percentage points. But the SoV function of a currency is of the utmost importance, and you are intentionally arguing against using Monero that way.

I’m back. I’ve been here before. I’m here whenever Monero goes down because it pisses me off it’s not being respected as a SoV. You won’t be getting rid of me.

>>62306006
>Your currency needs me to leech off you using it
No thank you. If you want to play the jew's game, go use something less antisemitic.

>>62306053
>hurrr durrrrr bartering ONLY. Nobody cares about investment that’s not real. I give potatoes, you give cloth.
Fuck off subversive fed

>>62306102
>If you don't want us to play our jewish games you're a fed
Yeah I bet the feds just HATE when you turn their biggest fear into just another asset

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i hate the antimonero

>>62306138
>the feds biggest fear is people trading for tokens for trinkets not HOLDING LARGE AMOUNTS OF SOVEREIGN UNCENSORABLE AND UNDETECTABLE WEALTH
you’re such a fucking retarded faggot

>>62306160
Ok tell me why you want the XMR-USD-Rate (you'll call it price) to rise. Because you wish to sell your 'Sovereign uncensorable and undetectable wealth' for fiat. That's why you just think about the 'price' (not exchange rate as is common in forex), you only care about how much USD you can get off XMR. This won't increase usage at all.

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>>62306006
kek you're desperately trying to pull a Saylor and redefine XMR's primary use case because you otherwise can't make money from a stable medium of exchange, that would require actual effort and productivity.

Meanwhile, entrepreneurchads are earning a regular cash flow and enjoying the ride. For example, consider the case of Monerica.com. Homeboy (pic related) is making 5 figures on the regular simply by attracting advertisers and sponsors to his platform. I did the math based on the data provided, he earned over $37K total just from February 16 to May 31, roughly 3.5 months (105 days). That works out to an average of about $354/day in new sponsorship revenue over that period.

In other words, he doesn't need XMR to pump in order to make serious money because his productivity and the value provided earn him over $350 a day simply by maintaining an index of links. That could've been YOU if you'd only had enough foresight, initiative and the common sense to not alienate prospective sponsors with your obnoxious /pol/ memes.

But you lack all of those virtues so now here you are begging us to help you transform Monero into a disposable memecoin to be unceremoniously pumped and dumped for your benefit. Fuck that and fuck you, you will never be rich because you don't deserve to be. Fortune favors the industrious.

>>62306185
>Because you wish to sell your 'Sovereign uncensorable and undetectable wealth' for fiat.
What happened to the goods and services? Why are all of these things suddenly bad once the price goes up?

You buy goods and services with Monero. Monero’s purchasing power increases. You can now buy EVEN MORE goods and services with Monero. Taken to an extreme, if Monero went to, say $10M per coin, then all of us here would have incredible FINANCIAL POWER to effect change into the world. We could create foundations, fund public works, buy political outcomes. Anything. The rising power of the SoV of Monero DIRECTY TRANSLATES into personal power for all of us.

I never wanted to fully divest from Monero. Would some of the newfound purchasing power go into interest bearing fiat investments? Sure, because Monero cannot offer that. But the real reason I want this apparently terrible thing of SOVEREIGN WEALTH is because it is abundantly clear that it is the only way to actually do something in the real, tangible world.

>>62306214
>just risk jail time bro, you can’t defer gratification if you disagree
No.
>disposable memecoin
If you want to have a conversation, I am here. If you want to strawman with your shape shifting sleight of hand, i will post around you.

>>62306230
>Why are all of these things suddenly bad once the price goes up?
They're not, but you're not here when the price is up. You're here when the price is falling (and weirdly while other fud campaigns are happening) to complain about you wanting more USD for your XMR.
>then all of us here would have incredible FINANCIAL POWER to effect change into the world.
Only compared to USD. You assume that all goods and services are priced solely with fiat in mind. As long as you assume this mindset you won't have anyone use XMR for anything he could use USD for.
>We could create foundations, fund public works, buy political outcomes.
Except that all of those would still massively deanonymize big chunks of the community since you're just buying into the system. You're trying to create legal entities or perform legal actions which are subjugated to a legal framework we don't try to be part of.
>The rising power of the SoV of Monero DIRECTY TRANSLATES into personal power for all of us.
No, a sov itself has no power if there are no use cases.
>I never wanted to fully divest from Monero.
Clearly you did otherwise you'd not cry about getting less USD for your XMR.

Anyone crying about the XMR-USD exchange rate simply wants USD.

>>62306242
He's not breaking any laws, numbskull, its all out in the open. He almost certainly also pays tax on that $37K because of said transparency.

https://app.monerica.com/sponsorship

A darknet-only Monerica would've kept him anonymous and therefore not subject to taxation or harassment.

Point being, there are ways to make good money from the growing Monero economy that don't require rapid (and high unstable) XMR price appreciation. You're clearly too stupid and lazy to take advantage of these business opportunities so have fun staying poor.

>>62306255
>Except that all of those would still massively deanonymize big chunks of the community since you're just buying into the system. You're trying to create legal entities or perform legal actions which are subjugated to a legal framework we don't try to be part of.
Pretty much everything Saylor and his ilk have been pushing for. These snakes don't actually care about the lofty ambitions of crypto-anarchy and cypherpunk, they're only here to funnel as much fiat into their bank accounts as possible under the guise of "muh sovereignty"

has anyone written analysis on if monero privacy is going to win or if bitcoin privacy options could win. like economics and forecasting not idealism

(monero privacy always wins if you value privacy over everything else)

>>62306255
>but you're not here when the price is up
False. I’m always here, I just post a lot more when Monero isn’t living up to its SoV standard.

>Only compared to USD
I mean there’s no point in talking to you if you’re going to be this pedantic. It’s fucking annoying. The concept of an increase in purchasing power is a real thing. The fucking WORLD is priced in USD. Yes, increasing USD value increases your purchasing power. Do we really have to discuss this? It’s fucking retarded. Don’t you feel any shame making such dumb distinctions?

>hurr durr you have to be anonymous with everything you ever do in your life if you hold Monero
Literally just shut up

>A SoV isn’t a use case
First, yes it is. Second, not what I argued.

>Clearly you did otherwise you'd not cry about getting less USD for your XMR.
I just don’t believe you can be this stupid. I just don’t. This HAS TO BE a psyop. Like it’s like I’m talking to someone with Down syndrome. I have to justify being pissed off my purchasing power is down massively??????? Why do I have to justify that to you? How is that something that’s hard to understand or fucking morally defend? Are you listening to yourself? You’re fucking beyond insane.

>>62306305
>you’re not allowed to comment on pathetic price action because monerica exists
Fuck off back to Langley grandpa

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>>62306801
>I can't earn.

>>62306255
>No, a sov itself has no power if there are no use cases.
I just want to come back to how mind bendingly retarded this is. The vast majority of GOLD has no use case, as in, the bars used in bartering are not going to be melted down, used in electronics, or anything like that. They’re going to stay as bars, as coins, as ingots, and just get traded among pawn shops and boomers.

Does that gold have a use case? Of course not. It’s JUST a store of value. The boomer literally stores it in their vault BECAUSE of its value.

The idea that a SoV is not, in itself, THE MOST IMPORTANT use case a money can possibly have, is so outrageously absurd it’s not legal for me to tell you how I actually feel about it.

You’re unbelievably wrong
You’re arrogantly ignorant
You’re a subversive saboteur
You’re a fucking Jewish FED

>>62305457
/thread

>>62306500
Monero community is vocally "we love illegal drugs and hate the Jews." not a chance for Zcash-style breakout.

>>62306860
>Monero community is vocally "we love illegal drugs and hate the [s
State]."
just like 2012 BTC, got it

>>62306897
yeah, back when Bitcoin's market cap was $150M. nigger, I am more libertarian than you are but you are not getting any inflows with over anti-semitism and pro-criminality.

>>62306910
Fuck Jews

>>62306910
>I am more libertarian than you are
rigorously impossible
>you are not getting any inflows with over anti-semitism and pro-criminality
literally inevitable
the ultimate capital flight sink

>>62306860
there already was a zcash style breakout a few months ago, however i get what you are saying

>>62306951
zcash had a 10x pump

>>62307028
But does zcash have SNICKERDOODLES???

>>62307028
monero's is better because monero has adoption

>>62307110
it does. but it also has a hard ceiling unless you guys change the branding.

>>62307148
>Monero is too hardcore and its scaring off the Wimklevoss twins.

>>62307206
again, you don't understand capitalism. how much did Alphabay owners take in? compare that with what a mid-level Amazon SWE made in RSUs.
legal finance is orders and orders of magnitude bigger than mere drug trade.
I own and use Monero. I just don't see much price action for it.

>>62307148
read our lips, dumbass:
we don't want that to happen. No one in Monero wants that to happen

>>62307555
kek, ok.

>>62306796
>I’m always here,
No, I see your posting style. It's not present when there's nothing to fud about.
>I mean there’s no point in talking to you if you’re going to be this pedantic.
This isn't about me being pedantic, it's about you comparing simply the exchange rate, not the actual purchasing power. If you cared about purchasing power you would've used a different metric than the exchange rate since you can't assume USD purchasing power stays the same and you'd encourage people being entrepreneurial with XMR which you tried to prevent for the entire thread.
>Literally just shut up
There's no point in using XMR if you're just going to dox yourself. You're still free to hold but again then you're not using XMR, you're at best abusing it.
>First, yes it is.
No, you're literally not using it.
>Second, not what I argued.
Good, because that's not what I said.
>I have to justify being pissed off my purchasing power is down massively???????
Already explained this. Stop moving the goal posts.
>How is that something that’s hard to understand or fucking morally defend?
I'd say it's not too easy to defend 'Please let me use your tool for something completely unrelated and cry when I can't succeed in corrupting it' but maybe that's just me.

>>62306833
>Does that gold have a use case?
You literally just described the use cases.
>THE MOST IMPORTANT use case a money can possibly have,
'Keeping money and not doing anything with it is more important than using it to exchange it for goods or services'

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>>62307251
>again, you don't understand capitalism.
And you do?! Genuine lol
>how much did Alphabay owners take in? compare that with what a mid-level Amazon SWE made in RSUs.
Tens of millions. Oh, and DNM admins don't pay tax. Agorism, yo.
>legal finance is orders and orders of magnitude bigger than mere drug trade.
Can you spot the fatal flaw in your lil "legal finance" paradigm?
>I own and use Monero. I just don't see much price action for it.
Only lazy, shiftless moonfags fixate on price action. Go-getter entrepreneurchads earning a regular XMR cash flow keep making money regardless.

You faggots show up to the literal birthplace of Make Crypto Scary Again to complain about Monero being too scary and suggest with a straight face that we emulate the Zcash camp by leaning into compliance and adopting memecoin shilling tactics, its actually hilarious!

Get this through your thick skull, Saylorite: there will be no watering down of the established hardcore Monero ethos, we will NEVER comply with THEIR laws, we will continue being the scariest, most extreme and uncompromising cryptocurrency in the world and will reap the rewards accordingly.

>>62306910
>I am more libertarian than you
Oh to be young and retarded again

>>62306214
Damn that's some good numbers just for being a Craigslist for monero stuff. The site has been amazing so far

>>62308699
>Damn that's some good numbers just for being a Craigslist for monero stuff.
Yep, that's about $12K per month just to add, edit or remove a few links. Good for him.

Best part is, more and more of these earning opportunities are going to keep opening up as the p2p Monero economy grows. Imagine earning 4-5 figures potentially TAX FREE every month regardless of the price......all it takes is a winning idea, some elbow grease and the willingness to wait patiently.

That counts Mav & Co. out hahahaha

>>62308079
>it’s not present
I already said I post more when the SoV isn’t going well. I post less when things are good. That doesn’t mean I’m not here. I’m always here. Always waiting to call out the Feds who want to pretend bartering like medieval peasants is the only use case of sovereign wealth.

>There's no point in using XMR if you're just going to dox yourself.
This is another one of those things that is just so astoundingly retarded I DONT BELIEVE YOU BELIEVE IT. I can only chalk it up to a psyop. You’re really telling me the if I use Monero I can never show my face again in public? I can never use my real name? For ANYTHING?

So if I hold 100,000 Monero and I’m worth a billion dollars, it is “irresponsible” of me (or something) to buy my community a school? Or build a fucking public park? Commission some artwork?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

>Keeping money and not doing anything with it is more important than using it to exchange it for goods or services
I’ll ignore the obvious strawmanning phrasing but this is ultimately correct, yes. There is no shortage of payment products, vehicles, apps whatever. Everyone and their cousin has been creating these dumb pointless payment processors ever since PayPal opened the floodgates.

The real issue, and the real value of Monero, and the real reason it is a threat to the system, is the prospect of holding VAST QUANTITIES of untraceable wealth in the hands of unknown people.

That is how you get things like new, unknown and unforeseen powerful people making unpredictable decisions that actually influence powerful events. THAT is the threat of Monero. Not buying fucking sticky buns.

>>62308618
>go-getter
>>62308835
>a winning idea, some elbow grease
These have to be trolls right? Nobody in 2026 still talks in these boomerisms right?

>>62309018
>The real issue, and the real value of Monero, and the real reason it is a threat to the system, is the prospect of holding VAST QUANTITIES of untraceable wealth in the hands of unknown people.
>
>That is how you get things like new, unknown and unforeseen powerful people making unpredictable decisions that actually influence powerful events. THAT is the threat of Monero. Not buying fucking sticky buns.
Yawn. Converting large XMR holdings into real-world influence (property, businesses, political pressure) requires touching regulated systems at some point. That's where traceability re-enters the equation. Furthermore, shell companies, offshore accounts, bearer bonds, and cash have enabled hidden concentrations of power for decades. If it ain't broke.....

And your "le unknown powerful people" framing is unfalsifiable. If they're truly unknown and their decisions are truly unpredictable, there's no evidence the threat is real, it's a glorified ghost story. Actual power leaves traces regardless of how wealth is stored.

Your agenda here is fundamentally Saylorian: use muh SoV narrative as a cover story to spawn a watered-down hoarding culture and hopefully secure an epic pump + sufficient exit liquidity then ride off into the sunset leaving a smouldering mess behind. Nice try but no dice.

>>62309018
>These have to be trolls right? Nobody in 2026 still talks in these boomerisms right?
I like how you keep deflecting from the point at hand, it being that YOU CAN'T EARN hahahahahaha

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>>62306910
>I am more libertarian than you are
shut up commie

>>62309165
>And your "le unknown powerful people" framing is unfalsifiable. If they're truly unknown and their decisions are truly unpredictable, there's no evidence the threat is real, it's a glorified ghost story. Actual power leaves traces regardless of how wealth is stored.
Not even going to argue against this. I don’t have to. Your reasoning is so ridiculous I just have to quote you and let the readers decide.

If this doesn’t prove to everyone that this guy is a subversive who is intentionally trying to castrate Monero from having any influence on WORLD POWER, nothing will.

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>>62309453
Grow up and enter the real world, kid. You'll discover actual nefarious conspiracies *always* leak and leave traces.

>influence on WORLD POWER
Baby steps, Mav.

>>62309506
I'm not reading this whole thread but you're a massive faggot. A lot of Monero's problems (e.g., its security budget) were solved just by the price going up, in large part due to speculators, which you've dragged your feet on for forever.

>>62309506
>Mav
I’m not Mav retard. It might surprise you but there are plenty of people in Monero who believe the coin’s potential is much greater than transacting for tchotchkes.

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>>62309616
>you're a massive faggot. A lot of Monero's problems (e.g., its security budget) were solved just by the price going up, in large part due to speculators, which you've dragged your feet on for forever.
Your impotent moonfag rage is giving me a hard on. The price will inevitably go up *organically* over time as the economy and demand for its medium of exchange grows. Meanwhile entrepreneurchads will keep making money regardless. No rush.
>>62309654
>I’m not Mav retard
Sure you're not.

okay Mav and Xenu we get it now

>>62309709
Here I (same ID as >>62309616 ) have a practical question. Someone buying Monero and not selling it (or trading for goods) for 10 years is saving. Someone buying Monero and selling it the next day is speculating. At what time preference does speculating become saving, a month, a year?

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I'm still extremely confident in XMR. Whenever the overall market cools off, we continue our regular slow pump. It's gonna take a while but we're only going to trend up in the long-term. Look at the charts, we always bounce back eventually. Great way to make profits in the short-term as well.

Really just a comfy coin once you understand...