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what if your employer paid you in XMR? would it be barter technically? the tax would make it make no sense of course but it's an interesting thought.if it was the case that it was, it would still be correlated to "okay I need it to be at least aligned with the fiat normality of my place of living" so it would have variation if that makes sense, it would still be prone to shocks and still be mentally converted to USD.Idk what i'm trying to say or ask here, I guess just the thought of "what if you thought in XMR, instead of mentally converting it to USD to buy or receive anything?". I don't think it's possible unless there were trillions of USD (yes, ironic to say that) equivalent involved. Like entire XMR treasuries or some shit.
>>62334948Tax would make no senseBut if xmr was adopted that way, a company would have to declare taxes via viewkeys. Remember that Monero is private by default but can already be disclosed willingly. In a state regulated situation where you have to pay taxes and you need a regulated job contract, xmr could be usable but would need to be regulated anyway. To answer your question yes the xmr paycheck would still need to be pegged to usd right now.
Another AI audit by SChernykh(sech1) using gpt5.5https://github.com/SChernykh/ringct-bulletproofs-plus-review-claude/blob/main/RINGCT_SECURITY_REVIEW_gpt_5.5_xhigh.mdTL;DR the few edge cases it found aren't capable of producing double-spends or printing extra Monero
>>62334927What's the deal with it, anyway? I see goyladies shilling it hardcore. Usecase?
>>62335573>>62334927>usecase?To get dumped on. What else?https://xcancel.com/talerzyktanculi/status/2063895018385936660>inb4 shills turn this into /pcotm/ Privacy Coin of The Month general again
>>62334925XMR? Isn’t that the shitcoin that had some massive 18 block reorg not so long ago?
Welcome to /entrepreneurship/ general!Let’s talk about all the ways we EARN money and stay productive so that the agorism gods bless our economic activity >baking cookies>building redundant websites >shrimp farmingThat’s what this thread is about! What's Monero?
all my buy orders on kraken going down to $280 got bought while i was camping over the weekend, feels good
>>62336244>celebrating a “low” price denominated in USDSounds like you have impure intentions. Are you under some belief that you should be profiting from trading? That’s not allowed in /agorism/.
>>62336277i buy around 300 whenever it happens. it will be at 350-400 again in a month and thats when ill need to reup my ket stashso yes
>>62335559Starting to look more and more like we're going to be OK. >>62336229>>62336277Have you had your blood pressure checked lately? You seem to be irate all the time, its not good for you.
Moonfags still buck broken lol
>>62336368I actually take great enjoyment in ridiculing the fed(s) in these threads, so it’s a blood pressure lowering activity.I was pissed off last thread though
Still extremely confident in XMR. It's still the best coin in the entire space.
>>62336487Most of us don't care that you're arguing against small businesses and for the (((finance industry)))
>>62336386>DUDE WEED LMAO
I feel like we are going to start another rally today after close of Nyse. ZEC is looking textbook deadcat bounce
>June 9th 2026>The "XMR Redpill" video of Daniel Kim is STILL not removed from the OPThat man has done incalculable damage to Monero's image
>aisan man that makes the SoV argument for Monero bad
influencers need to stop trying to team up with zcash all the time because this shit is not "our greatest ally". it's just looking like another America x Israel situation
>>62339867if zcash was genuinely in good faith, it shouldn't even "fight" monero at all. neither of them should be against each other in the first place.
I only check this board every couple months, what caused the melty upthread?
>>62339505What'd he do besides give a bad price prediction
>>62339867If you care about marketing at all, literally the first thing on your list would be to find/create a podcast that is good enough to unseat faggot Doug from his status as the biggest Monero discussion show.This guy does not get it at all, he is a boomer Jew who cannot even bring himself to be tribalistic about Monero ON A SHOW CALLED MONEROTALK. He needs to be removed. I remember when 2026 was supposed to be the start of “marketing XMR HARD to the masses” according to that frequently posted Monero prophecy. What happened to that? We literally desperately need better marketing.
>>62340663yes we need more podcasts Mav btw you could make a pod then, you are almost there anyway maybe invite someone for a video, like xenu
>>62340663If you think you can do this a lot better, you are free to do so.There's no instance that says Doug is forever THE guy to lead the Monero community.Print stickers with a Monero-Logo and have getmonero.org and your own URL on it and bomb your entire county / city with them.There's nothing that stops you from doing this.Buy aMackie DLZ Creator digital mixer or the Rodecaster Pro 24X chink made dynamic podcast microphones such as the Fduce SL404X Mic armsA table4X comfy chairsAnd go for it.
those who know
>>62340910Use Monero.
Regarding Doug: begging senpai Winklevoss to notice him is pretty cringe but between MoneroTalk, MoneroTopia and XmrBazaar he puts in a lot of actual work as as opposed to just moonfagging on Twitter all day.>>62340909>There's nothing that stops you from doing this.In case you haven't noticed, the moon people suffer from a chronic lack of initiative.
>>62341210I don't consider Doug being a bad guy. He's genuinely interested in pushing Monero forward.If his concepts are viable and working, i won't judge over.>In case you haven't noticed, the moon people suffer from a chronic lack of initiative.Yepp they do.Me personally, i do whatever i can to push Monero in my surrounding.Most people are not even interested and the rest, gets info on Monero from me and i guide them to install a wallet and get some Monero in it.I mean it's free to install and getting your first XMRs isn't a big thing with Cake Wallet.
The European Union announces FULL CONTROL over crypto assets.Ursula von der Leyen: "For the first time, we will introduce a FULL third-country BAN for crypto asset services to make sure Russia can’t avoid sanctions."Kek we won.
>>62340850Still not Mav>>62340909>>62341210Unfortunately I cannot risk becoming a target otherwise I would do a podcast
>>62341719>XMR -3.2%
>>62341210Also I like that he offers a real product that isn't illegal. It defeats some of the fud. >>62340909Honestly I think the best thing for us would be to do Breaking Monero again but higher quality and updated. Ideally we'd update it regularly whenever we have major updates or proposals.
https://odysee.com/@CaptainBlackbeardArchive:5/GrizzlyBearsOnMethamphetamine:6
>>62340663>We literally desperately need better marketingThisI will kill the next faggot that pushes back on new designs, website or material "because a pastbin already provides all the info needed sweetie"
Xtremely MediocreReturns
I'm in Germany. Last time I bought Monero was quite a while ago and you could still get it in kraken.What's the best way for me to get some now? I don't care much about KYC. I just don't want to pay too many fees.
>>62345133can still buy XMR via kraken here in the states.however if you're in germany, you can always get something cheap like BCH or LTC then convert via trocador to XMR. if you're paranoid about feds then just use tor.
Damn this board is dead now. Let alone this general.Are all the normalfags and hype finally gone yet Monero on-chain activity remains at an all time high?If that isn't a buy signal I don't know what is.
>>62345162In Europe I buy KYC LTCThen swap via onion version of OrangeFren which is a link aggregator for swap services. A good one I used is ETZ but honestly just pick your chosen one.
>>62345663>>62345676PSobviously don't swap directly from the exchange you buy LTC from. First send to a wallet you control. Always.
>>62345663>Damn this board is dead now. Let alone this general.>Are all the normalfags and hype finally gone yet Monero on-chain activity remains at an all time high?Crypto is pretty much dead now, too much capital and hype has shifted to AI, too many normies have been blackpilled by scams and scandals while degens have largely moved on to prediction markets.Monero will be ok because its actually used and so has guaranteed demand.
>>62345701>because its actually usedhow do you think the clarity act will impact monero?
>>62345709I'd say fewer scummy exchanges manipulating the price is good.I've only started getting back into things today but I've seen a post talking about the likelihood of certain exchanges practicing fractional reserve banking with crypto. That's a topic I used to think a lot about but people didn't seem to take the issue very serious a couple years ago when crypto was still all the rage. I think the more people have to rely on actually having Monero in their own wallet, using swaps and buying from actual people the better it is for the price.That being said I care more about transaction volume on the network. I hope monero will continue to function as digital cash.
>>62345133DFX.swiss
>>62345709The CLARITY act targets the regulated crypto industry, which pretty much counts Monero out. Worst case scenario is XMR gets delisted from all remaining CEXs, which we've been expecting for years anyway and are mitigating accordingly.Might take a short-term hit but it'll recover for the simple fact that there is guaranteed demand for it as digital cash.Ironically, ZEC is poised to take a major blow since virtually all liquidity depends on CEX listings and there is zero actual demand for it as digital cash.
>>62346228>Ironically, ZEC is poised to take a major blowI think the bigger issue for ZEC is the fact that they're a very American-centric coin entity-wise and their shills constantly lie about the coin.The Clarity Act will basically make statements about coins equivalent to stocks (for highly regulated ones like ZEC). So all the people like zooko and winklevoss who make retarded claims about the coin will actually face criminal liability for misleading statements going forward.Which makes you wonder about the timing of this year's pump............................
>>62346258It may actually be a good idea for all Monero holders to purchase like 0.00001 ZEC so that they have a right of action against regulated ZEC shills
>>62346008I expect Monero to be used a lot more in the future than now. Just wait until they roll out CBDC's and globohomo starts tightening up the regulations even more.Functions like geoblocking, waregroupblocking, money with expiring date so you can't save up for something and such will make people furious. But if cash got invalidated, they have nowhere else to go than Monero.If there's a need / demand, there will be a product, service or coin.
so did anyone figure out the p2pool exploit? sounds like free money until this weekend if you can find it.
>>62346041I used them once it was a nightmare.
>>62346258>The Clarity Act will basically make statements about coins equivalent to stocks (for highly regulated ones like ZEC). So all the people like zooko and winklevoss who make retarded claims about the coin will actually face criminal liability for misleading statements going forward.IIUC It's also going to be illegal to do this about others coins. Webm related can be brought to the CFTC as evidence of false and misleading statements about Monero, for example
>>62347176>Webm related can be brought to the CFTC as evidence of false and misleading statements about Monero, for examplePerhaps but given this community's historical association with anarchism and anti-statism, it would be unfathomably embarrassing if we petitioned the govt to take action against the ZEC meanies for their unsubstantiated claims......."fuck you, Z-cuck! I'm sending this screencap to the CFTC for violation of the CLARITY act!" Ugh.
>>62347659I think the key thing is the incentive will die for shill campaigns like this. It's why zcash is going all out this year. It's the last year they can do it.Going forward people are actually going to have to watch what they say. That doesn't require Monero people to tattle tale like rats, however funny it would be.
>>62347659We got much further by not entering the shit flinging contests. Normally our adversaries come to us, try to break us and just fail since the ones who use XMR don't care if you called the ring size poopoo.
cant stop wont stop
>>62349576Uhm sweaty it's supposed to be over?
Anon do you have cool infographics about how monero works? Like mining or dandelion++Post them
>>62345133It's probably easiest to buy another crypto currency on an exchange and then swap on trocador.But honestly retoswap works well also. You can bank transfer or paypal to some reputable account, never been an issue for me
>>62350098
350 stable coin
Monero the Mogger
>>62351282Are they safe to get gift cards from? I tried some place and ended up in a loop of emails going in a circle. Lost $150 in XMRI just wanna convert some XMR to Visa gift cards for whoring
>>62351282>lightning is less than fiatlol what happened?
That was quite a dip.
>>62351318I use xmr.cardsAlso whoring? Use cash for whores
>>62351282Where the fuck is their shop. I went on their website and I can only see the consciere bullshit now
Well well well
>>62352900I hope that one Anon who was asking when to enter actually entered, knew that shit was normalizing right back after a few days.
Alright now we can pay for that marketing campaign we so desperately need!.........Guys?You didn't disappear once number started going up, right?This is still a big deal, right?Guys!?
Um guys?
>>62354075Overcorrection, sell now, rape me if we breach $420.
>>62354086Its going to $1350 like it should have last time.
>>62354075My DCA is on Fridays
Good thing I never sync my wallet or else I would have sold last time.
Its still pumping
xmr fliped ztrash
Im so sick of this bullshit every time I put off buying out of laziness it just does a random nigger pump and then I get fomo
Is there another correlation with action in Iran?
>>62336308time to make that purchase
>it took a literal infinite mint exploit that is unfixable unproveable for monero to outpump zcashStill unbelievable it bounced 70% off the bottom. I hate this fucking memecoin so damn much
WTF we're BACK>>62353973I did I bought shortly after posting that, still gonna hodl for a while
>>62354204>WTF we're BACKthe fuck happened? any news?
>>62354086It did breach $420, but it didn't breach $430. Rape's in the details I suppose, hope you listened anyway if you wanted to do a quick flip instead of hodlchadding.>>62354204Grats.
aaaaaand it's over.back to $330-$380 hell
>>62354319https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRXdxiot5JM
wow that was quick
okay guys this isn't funny anymore, let it go back down
>>62356257>he didn't enterAnon...
Surely zachXBT isn't going to imply that hackers are behind the recent pu-https://xcancel.com/wiseadvicesumit/status/2065415794943734194
To Whom It May Concern, in regards to the recent price rise.
>>62357533So you're saying we're all stuck in XMR forever because once we leave all of our shit is getting frozen?
>>62357533Good, let it go back down so I can buy back my stash for cheap. This is what I love about monero, every time some hacker steals a bunch of money it has to be laundered through monero, which creates a slow pump that can be sold without fear because it will predictably fall back down a couple days later. Perfect coin for farming.
>>62357533Yet another hacker story which doesn't explain the pump... Who even gave that guy the right to determine how XMR is getting used?
>>62358654I understand the way you're thinking anon, but if i have not missed something, they only talk about "suspicious" transactions, not an actual proven crime or hack.Pretty scary they can just put a label "suspicious" on transactions to block or even blacklist entire wallets.For me personally this is one of the main reasons i'm in XMR. I can transact without the need to answer to hostile governments and their entities.Are we now criminals if we buy a house with cash or crypto ?
>>62359237>if i have not missed something, they only talk about "suspicious" transactions, not an actual proven crime or hack.You're right. For all we know some whale just wanted to buy a bunch of crypto
>>62357533yeah this happened last time with the rise to $700+, I had a suspicion it was this again
>>62357533CZ suppressing XMR price as always.
>>62357533>Wahhh wahhh wahhh Tether is manipulating the market to pump Bitcoin>They were actually pumping Monero instead So are you niggers going to start sneeding about how XMR is going to zero when the tether Ponzi collapses?
>>62357533Eventually people will learn to pump XMR with exploits and then sell their XMR for gold/cash/goods/BTC atomically instead of constantly trying to immediately run back to freezable public shit.
>>62354086you were right, i saw this post last night and ran and made a trade(daunt.link)perfect timing, thanks anon
oh yeah,$350 stablecoin
monerochan is getting pump and dumped by laundering chads... bros
https://open.spotify.com/track/0b4KsOdnrZlfE5VUAAzxv1
What are you using for trade your monero? I need a non KYC shit that let me trade without using trocator and stablecoins with gas fees.
I didn't sell (again), holding since 2016. Time to buy more?
>>62353218>xmr.cardsI'm a small brain, are they gonna cheat me?>cashWant them to pay for online services discreetly, they don't take XMR directly atm
>>62363931Honestly I used them and had no issue for small amounts. However I missed the recent opportunity to sell xmr at higher price so I will just stagnate at the 300€ point.
>>62361100It always super weird how the children of satan know monero is good shit. But just must cash out to goy money and get caught, becuse we cant pump bags of good and logical people.This is what led me to gnosticism. Broken inverse people of a broken inverse world, created by a broken fagot.Betting om fiat/btc complex winning is bwtting on owns own and their nations death. But hey number go up
>>62345133retoswap is goated for europe, especially if you get a revolut account.
>>62365082Yeah going from [theft] > [USDT] > [Monero] is incredibly stupid. It does sound like using Bitcoin as an intermediary could have helped....What happened to DAI? Is that even a thing anymore? Why are hackers not aware of centralized coins?
>>62365684It may be someone knowing about the anonymity of Monero, but not necessarily someone who is familiar with the crypto space in general.Most non-crypto people think that BTC and all other coins are what Monero REALLY is - Anonymous.I can imagine this person thought that TON and USDT are anonymous and decentralized equally like Monero is and hence the way he pulled off the transaction scheme.Second option is that time were a huge matter or concern for the person.He tried to spread it but did it way too fast.
>>62365684>What happened to DAI? Is that even a thing anymore?https://sky.money/TL;DR it's still a thing but glowies permaforked it after they killed Rune Christensen. the new USDS is basically tether
>>62365834>Rune ChristensenMy bad, Nikolai Mushegian
Does anyone know how to delete this "sub wallet" on cake wallet.. I accidently made it and now the 2 wallets are both called primary wallet 0 and its confusing me when im trying to send to my main one
I'm Satoshi
Something I've been thinking about:X402 lets AI bots pay for access to APIs in exchange for typically stablecoins through http 402 requests near instantly. Some vibecoder made a similar protocol based on Monero: https://xmr402.org/If it's possible for AI bots to swap XMR for API calls through 402 requests, why can't it be used to swap for BTC or stablecoins or anything else for that matter?
when is this fucker delivering?
Real thread >>62368638>>62368638>>62368638
My XMR long is getting heavy.
Guys, ZEC just pumped againAre we the Chainlink of privacy coins where fundamentals dont matter at all, or do I need patience?Im getting scared, please send hopium
>>62371738quick! buy something with your xmr while were at $360 before the price goes down!!!>($350 stablecoin)>https://xmrbazaar.com/>https://monerica.com/>Daunt.link
>>62371738Zioncash pumped again?
>>62372016I wish, but meanwhile, it's not bad to take advantage of the crab to buy some side-stuff.My go-to are Amazon gift cards to spend
Reporting in
Who's Satoshi
>>62372361Probably more VC wash trading, but it's just bad opticsIn other news, Philippines just banned privacy crypto
I've had 0.06 XMR for years. It's all yours if you can leak a doujin behind a 800 yen paywall on www.dmm.com and post it here.aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZG1tLmNvLmpwL2RjL2RvdWppbi8tL2RldGFpbC89L2NpZD1kXzc3MDQ0NS8KCi4uIA==
https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article/7/1/tyab004/6166133TLDR: the government won’t ever let XMR moon. They specifically want to suppress the price to undermine confidence in the network.
Retoswap being exploited againhttps://xcancel.com/RetoSwap/status/2066960238545162410
>>62376758
>>62375802>government won’t ever let XMR moonlet's see what happened to the price after being nuked from all CEXsmmmhhh... yeah, rust in peace glowniggers u won't be missed XD
>>62376758is Retoswap a monero swap?
Hoping for a dip to 330$ since I wanna buy some.
New PC, whaddaya think?
>>62334925Triples and I will chop my cock off
>>62377999oy vey. Enjoy your gender reassignment surgery xir
>>62377999looking towards your transformation xister! nullies!!!
When will they be back?
>>62377999welcome to trannyhood
>>62377997for me, it's glances.
>>62377999I'm Satoshi
>>62372563welcome back
>>62374091I'm Satoshi
>>62376758The only route is swapping. I won't fucking trust any of these honeypot "p2p" exhanges.
>>62376758jesus im just gonna tell people to use trocador until this shit stops>>62377766slurp it>>62381097I just wish localmonero would have leaked their code to a trusted source to carry on and kept it tor/i2p only
Some one tell me where the bottom is so I can time my buy-in
>>62381446$300
Atomic Swap Status?
>>62381705need to download a client, but we got 2>https://eigenwallet.org/>https://basicswapdex.com/
>>62381495When? ^^
>>62382421ya just missed it last week, but were under $330 now
XMR marks the spot
>>62382024xmr to btc works?
What was that about a mining pool getting compromised?
Can you feel it?ILLICIT ANONYMOUS INTERNET CASH
>>62385374There is nothing illicit about freedomAlso a reminder, look at how glorious this chart looks, there's nothing like it>inb4 zoom outI did
>>62383929Good. It's on sale. Buy the dip faggpts
Is there a list on what CEX's and what countries Monero is still tradeable?
>>62386460just had this whipped upit lists tradeogre but idk if thats back up
why doesn't the GUI wallet display fiat amount? I know there's the option under settings, interface "enable displaying balance in other currencies" but like regardless of what I do it doesn't work, would really appreciate if someone could help, AI doesn't know
>>62386522Thanks anon.That's exactly what i needed.
>>623867321 XMR == 1 XMR>>62386522Tradeogre got seized by Canadian GOV. There's an email address on the page to make a claim. I had some XMR there so maybe I should...
>>62387145Depending on how much it is, maybe it's not worth the hassle.Canadian goberment will come up with all kinds of false charges and you then have to prove not being guilty.You may have to put much more money on lawyers and shit than you possibly can get back from them.And even if it's a huge sum (whale like), they'll try to fuck you for avoiding taxes and other shit regulations.
XMR sisters get slurping, we are crashing our way to success
>>62388612will slurp 2000 at $250the state shall be dismantled
This fucking sucks
Im fucking anxious bros. Is it time to buy
>>62389273There’ll never be a perfect time to buy unless you’re a human that can predict the future. This is a good time to buy, if you have it worse then this price just wait until it goes up again higher. If the possibility of it taking a month to do that is too long go to a casino or put it all on leveraged S&P500
So what's the current meta for private p2p XMR<->fiat swaps?
>>62389273The problem my friendo is I use monero just to privacy and independecy, I dont wanna use jewbanks, and now I canot buy anything thanks to jewmarket. Monero would develope an antike Kike speculation market to buy and sell, stable monero ranks. Kikes are atacking monero cause they want Iran and Rusia loses their money.
>>62378428there's listings right now?does it not work
>>62391276I love you bro. By the way I slurped 100€
Crypto is fucked
>>62392821>NSA>spitting factsLMAO
>>62392821HOW do people not realize this is all marketing jesus fucking christ.Yes, the (Trump) government is directly involved in the marketing. This should not be surprising.
>>62390755checked and awesome pic, retoswap.com is still the best for fiat
>>62392821I will panic only when the chinamen start panicking
>>62391391>>62378428were back up and running, just need to update the client
>>62393629why doesn't is update the flatpak when I have it installed. I hate this shit so much.or give me a repo I can add...
>>62393663>why doesn't is update the flatpak not sure but they got 1.8 version right herehttps://retoswap.com/#download
>>62393684I know they have and I don't want to fucking recover all my shit from a backup file every time they release a new version. I want to hit >flatpak updateand have the new version like with all my other software. we have the technology you know
>>62393684stack wallet, feather wallet and orcaslicer all update seamlessly. app devs can put that in the metadata.thats also better for security. I validate my download one time and I can trust it to point to the right location when updating. redownloading the app every time introduces a risk of installing a malicious copy every time.
>>62393708yeah that sounds annoying. if you have a github acc(i dont) you could post it as an issue.im sure adding it top flathub cant be that hard. I even see a discussion thread where you can request it be added>https://discourse.flathub.org/t/about-the-requests-category/22
https://xcancel.com/i/article/2068772119274455441TL;DR XMR is too private to say for certain that it's used by criminals. Meanwhile criminals almost certainly use BTC/stables
>>62395768>criminals almost certainly use BTC/stablesGenuinely perplexing why this is true. Yes the transparent coins provide better access to liquidity, obviously. But why the fuck would you risk jail time just to get your cash a little quicker?
i just want it to 10x
>>62396454most criminals aren't very smart
>>62366735cake is an ass to use. just play with it until you figure it out.
>>62399733What to use on mobile? IOS?
>>62400143cake is the best honestly just ux is kind of all over the place because they support multiple cryptocurrencies and address management is different for each of the wallets. personally, i use cake as if i was using a credit card and do work on default desktop wallet.
>>62400143>>62400155i will mention that exodus wallet had the best ux out of all mobile wallets imho and they have a desktop client too but they removed monero support so that app is irrelevant now. maybe it's a consideration if you can find an older version for the platform you're using but i would avoid it unless they restore support for it.
>>62400143cake mainly sucks because of the multi-coins shit.they have a "monero.com wallet", its cake but only has xmr/btc/ltc(mainly for swaps)its lighter and better
>>62400155it used to be nicer but then they fell for the modernizing meme and like everything that gets "upgraded" to modern design and tech it gets worse
>>62402271to be fair monero is modern tech but modernizing for the sake of modernizing is indeed retarded
Monero is the buttfucker coin of the future, it has 100% market share among buttfuckers and fuckbutters
>>62402287sign me up
>>62396454I think they use stablecoins because they are pegged to "real money".These are not crypto people mind you.Also no funny business happening where the coin randomly drops by 30% and their boss skins them alive.
>>62377999trips don't lie
>>62404764Green ID will I wagmi it?
This general is the only place I can bear talking about xmr. Twitter is full of fags like Mav and other FUD spreaders. Reddit is retards asking how to buy / hold Telegram groups Signal groups Simplex groups are either dead or filled with other faggots circle jerking.
>>62405896To be fair, twigger does bring up interesting conversations now and again
>one of 3 on-topic generals on /biz/>you dumb faggots ruined this board lolPick one faggot
Still loving XMR
>>62397540It doubles each cycle. So for your 10x you'll have to wait around 12-16 years.
Thank you
I’m fucking tired of this. Tired of losing money. Tired of the lack of urgency of anyone here. Tired of people resisting simple things like marketing the coin. Tired of people saying that financial gain is irrelevant. Tired of people accusing others of being moonboys. Tired of libertarians and agorists being the voice of the coin. Tired of being a niche currency when it has incredible potential. Tired of watching scams like ZEC make its holders richer. Tired of these threads barely staying alive for months because someone posts “I’m Satoshi” every other day. Tired of the attacks, whether selfish mining or the threat of bugs or FUD or destroying exchange/swap liquidity. Tired of waiting for FCMP. Tired of pretending like it will matter significantly. Tired of acting like I think this will ever go mainstream. Tired of being controlled by the wake of BTC price movements. Tired of waiting for fucking Russian or Chinese dark markets to discover XMR and stop being retarded with stablecoins. Tired of the bots, especially ZEC ones. Tired of being tied to the development activities of like barely 10 people and essentially betting on their talent and success. Tired of many XMR people regularly talking about “other privacy coins” on their shows. Tired of having to continually push my time horizon even further into the future for when this project actually achieves real growth and value for my time.I’m tired of being tired.
I am tired of you doing nothingAlso I will do NOTHING
I'm tired of being Satoshi
>>62405896this logo is fucking shit and I hate the faggot who keeps posting this crap on Twitter
>>62411764I don't dislike it. What's wrong with it?
>>62411174
>>62411773>What's wrong with it?>>62411764>this logo is fucking shitNo reason we should deviate from the actual logo. Why should we change?
>>62411174Poor Mav is tired of living in the real world where unproductive deadbeats aren't rewarded for their economic inactivity.
>>62411174don't worry, all of those things will happen AFTER I'm holding at least 1000 XMR
>>62412310>MavThat guy really lives free in your boomer head huh?>deadbeatskek
>>62412652His endless whining is like meth for me, can't help myself.
>>62411174>Tired of the attacks,They wouldn't stop if we mooned. >Tired of waiting for FCMP.Contribute then>real value for my time.Privacy and anonymity are unimportant to you?
>>62412808He saw the ad! He was the ad!
>>62411900No one wants to deviate/change. It's just alternative designs. a lot of brands have different logo designs
>>62334925Polkadot will surpass Monero in marketcap
Free xmr Mining >>>/g/109140624
>>62411174>buying monero for profitAlso good copypasta
Sold $50 worth of stuff for 0.5 XMR (approx $160). This required the buyer to purchase some XMR. That's REAL ECONOMIC ACTIVITY.>mfw I win either way
>>62417775Meant to say $100 for 0.5 XMR
>>62417775>mfw I win either wayMOONFAGS HATE THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK
>>62418119Uhm but how am I supposed to gain financial freedom and make extreme amounts of USD with this???
>>62418310>USDDOING IT WRONG
You want us to use xmrBut what do I use it for? I bought my vpn and now? Just drugs? Gift cards to actually buy stuff? Donate to Tor yearly?
I tried unlocking the CPU speed, but now the GUI miner will not work. It only stops the node, and I have to reconnect. I'll try once more to go back to base clock, but could unstable timings ruin it for the miner?
>>62418508you can't convince people to do it the hard way when everyone is used to how broken the economy is. only total failures do anything that make them sweat outside the gym, the millions come literally from some button clicks
>>62419710Get scammed on XmrBazaar good goy! Pay an overprice for some shit just to spend your hard earned XMR
>>62420064it didn't look that bad but shipping costs can be huge for sure
>>62420098It's not even about shippingIt's about how in order to use XMR, you need to trust some idiot or to pay extra for "escrow"And on top of that, many people put crazy prices for shit they are trying to get rid off.Look at the market for GrapheneOS or tech hardware. Prices are crazy.
>>62420102oh yea those things are annoying as with buying xmr they tend to want 10% above market rate. makes the central exchanges look appealing despite the risk
>>62420112CEX poses a "risk" of identiy leak (even though you can buy shitcoin and swap)xmrbazaar is throwing money away and scam risk guaranteed.So back to square one: xmr is all about use but where?Other than being a junkie?I say this as a person who loves the idea of XMR
>>62420116that and i have to pay the government for a id card to get to use them in the first place. privacy is very expensive these days
>>62418508My point is that the moonfags only care about the exchange rate because they only care about USD.
>>62419958nvm, fixed the voltage and got a steady increase from 1,6 to 2,5 KH/s.
>>62420116>>624201392bh when you think about it everyone is just larping about muh privacy or getting away from fiat, otherwise they wouldn't put a higher price in XMR, which means they already think that XMR is worth less than fiat and they have to compensate
>>62420139what i really care about is the things i need. if someone sells me food and equipment for xmr not worth any dollars i wouldn't mind that. but usually when the thing has value there will be a usd price for it as well so realistically you can't really disconnect them
>>62420538maybe in the end what we really need is a stablecoin which otherwise is like monero. everything left free floating is a potential speculative instrument just like usds and euros are too
>>62420538>otherwise they wouldn't put a higher price in XMR,Anon, the ones who wish for XMR to exist because of its secretive and transactional qualities don't care about the price as long as the development is somewhat stable and the market cap isn't too small. >>62420560Why are you putting the money you need inside of the system outside of the system? If you desperately want somewhat good tech with promises of pleasing the jews (and being rewarded for that) just 'invest' in zec.
>>62420759i don't necessarily want it as an investment, i just want stability so that i don't wake up one day with 20+% less purchase power, you have to be insane to think that would be fair. regular people don't invest in dollars but expect that the dollars in their pocket will still be able to buy the same tomorrow as today. for xmr to be a viable currency it needs to have the stability, usdc/t is the closest we have currently
>>62420801You want stability pegged to USD. Again, you are focusing on USD when you already have a better currency because you're not interested in XMR or its economy but your own fiat/USD gain.
>>62420759>don't care about the pricethis only applies if you can evade taxes or you're buying stuff that can only be bought with XMR. most people work and get paid in fiat and are already taxed, so why would they insist on lowering their purchasing power even more with XMR? if you think that XMR should only be a coin for evading the government when you need it and that it shouldn't really take over normal transactions then sure..
>>62420853>Stop thinking about parallel economies goyim
>>62420850what else is there? every time this topic comes up people whine about the usd but propose no alternatives to measure the value. someone decided what a potato is worth in usd, so how do we find a similar process for xmr then
xmr is pegged to cocaine
>>62420865>parallel economiesYou say this all the time but you don't support any of the non-direct-bartering activities that would need to go into developing a parallel economy. The ONLY legitimate activity for you is XMR-for-goods.By following this intentionally limiting path, you condemn Monero to the market cap of a single mid-range logistics company instead of a market cap of major nationstates, where it belongs.A larger cap means more goods and services can realistically be bought with XMR, more miners come online to obtain the rewards, and more people would fees safe securing their wealth in the coin. This is the way real economies work, not through bake sales.But you're just a fed trying to prevent the rise of a truly threatening private money so you're assigned to sit here forever and make it all seem like a retarded online yard sale.
>>62420865Parallel economies still need to grow relative to the mainline economy or there is no incentive to use them. If your parallel economy has lost 50% of its real value since 2020 (like XMR) then you are not going to convince anyone to onboard into it long term.
Best place to buy Monero from existing holders? (In Australia) Escrow fine
>>62422304You’re a faggot
>>62422649Kek
>>62421122>xmr is pegged to cocaineLiterally a meme.
>>62421127>You say this all the time but you don't support any of the non-direct-bartering activities that would need to go into developing a parallel economy. The ONLY legitimate activity for you is XMR-for-goods.Facilitating the exchange of goods and services is literally the purpose of a medium of exchange.>By following this intentionally limiting path, you condemn Monero to the market cap of a single mid-range logistics company instead of a market cap of major nationstates, where it belongs.Who is limiting what exactly? Everybody is free to use XMR any way they please. >A larger cap means more goods and services can realistically be bought with XMR, more miners come online to obtain the rewards, and more people would fees safe securing their wealth in the coin. This is the way real economies work, not through bake sales.kek you don't know anything about how real economies work. The MoE by itself doesn't produce anything, you need goods and services being produced and exchanged for an economy to exist and grow.Furthermore, a rapidly pumping currency discourages spending and so is actually detrimental for economic growth. This is why MoE and long term SoV are typically assigned to different assets out in the real world, combining both in one asset results in conflicting incentives. >But you're just a fed trying to prevent the rise of a truly threatening private money so you're assigned to sit here forever and make it all seem like a retarded online yard sale.Give it a rest, Mav, nobody here believes you actually care about the Monero economy.
>>62423232>Furthermore, a rapidly pumping currency discourages spendingCitation needed, since people who suddenly find themselves with more purchasing power tend to spend it all on goods and services as suddenly as they got it.>This is why MoE and long term SoV are typically assigned to different assets out in the real world, combining both in one asset results in conflicting incentives.This logic doesn't apply to XMR since SoVs in the real world are not infinitely divisible, amongst other things.
>>62423232>Everybody is free to use XMR any way they please.>muh moonfag muh you only care about exchange rateIf you actually believed anyone can use XMR any way they please you would have zero problem with "moonfags". They're just promoting the market cap of the coin, which is a legitimate use. But you constantly ridicule them. Interesting!>a rapidly pumping currency discourages spending and so is actually detrimental for economic growth. I mean it's not even that citation is needed here, it's just plain fucking wrong. Tell that to everyone who ever had their currency increase in value. The USD/GBP/all other historical reserve currencies really REALLY enjoyed that purchasing power. You're such a goddamn liar.>This is why MoE and long term SoV are typically assigned to different assets out in the real world,Another fucking lie. When the USD was backed by gold, gold essentially was both SoV and MoE (with the dollar as paper-gold, the easily transported mechanism enabling MoE). Destroying gold as MoE is literally what got us into the insanity of modern finance.
>>62420907I guess economists simply having found a way to measure value besides USD. >>62421127Please tell me about the need for marketing and your goals after XMR mooned. >>62421302Personally, I'd not measure value just in exchange rates but you do you. >>62423565>since people who suddenly find themselves with more purchasing power tend to spend it all on goods and services as suddenly as they got it.Literal goycattle mindset. Astonishing.
>>62423622>Please tell me about the need for marketingThe need for marketing is self-evident. I literally do not need to convince you. Faggot.>and your goals after XMR moonedMy goal is to spend it all on goods and services as suddenly as I got it :)Seriously, what the fuck is it with you people and your fascination about "my goals"? I don't have to prove anything to you. My goals are literally 100% irrelevant to this entire discussion. Why would you make a decision based on something so goycattle brained?>muh I don't like him so I disagreeThe importance of a high market cap for something like Monero is so obvious I wonder about YOUR goals for trying to gatekeep it.>literal goycattle mindsetYou might not have noticed but the world is literally full of them.
>>62423647>The need for marketing is self-evident.Weird, last I checked no DNM admin said he chose XMR because of your facebook banners. >Why would you make a decision based on something so goycattle brained?Why are your goals 'goycattle brained'? Strive for something better, like actually making the parallel economy a thing instead of exiting it so your goycattle life in fiat is a little more hedonistic. >The importance of a high market cap for something like Monero is so obvious I wonder about YOUR goals for trying to gatekeep it.Unless you regularly transact billions you are fine with the current market cap. Unless of course you don't care about any of the transactional qualities of XMR and simply care about getting fiat for your XMR which somehow is supposed to help us?>You might not have noticed but the world is literally full of them.And? We're here to exit the jewish controlled world, not give them another control mechanism. Why do you want to be controlled opposition?
>>62423757>we want to exit the Jewish controlled world by buying drugs on the internet and refusing to promote holding your wealth in XMR which would literally hide everything from them and highly encourage and incentivize more mining, development, and expansion of the ecosystem NOT TO MENTION make all of the people who want to exit the Jewish controlled system extremely wealthy (in purchasing power of course I would never never EVER reference USD saying that) thereby enabling them to make ACTUAL REAL WORLD DECISIONS THAT AFFECT MAJOR EVENTS AND EXERCISE THEIR WILL TO POWER INTO REALITYYou are not a good faith actor.
>>62423877mass adoption has its drawbacks too. if it were to happen you can be sure the imfweffers will fight against it similar how they push hard for digital id to protect le children from the social media while conveniently removing privacy in the process
>>62423565>Citation needed, since people who suddenly find themselves with more purchasing power tend to spend it all on goods and services as suddenly as they got it.You'd think that but that's not what typically happens. The thinking is: "at this rate if I just wait 1 more week/month/year, I'll be able to buy even more of X/Y/Z."We saw this in Japan when the yen became deflationary, people basically stopped spending and investing slowed down. This forced the govt into trying to reverse the deflation, they literally enacted policies to encourage inflation.>Under deflation, the value of cash increases as time passes. In such a situation, Japanese companies began to cut wages, research and development, and other investments, opting to hold onto cash instead. This tendency, coinciding with the acceleration of the aging population, gradually diminished the competitiveness of the economy and the potential growth rate of the country.[10] The Bank of Japan (BoJ) and the Japanese government have focused on halting the deflation and eventually achieving the 2% inflation target since the early 2000s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_DecadesWe also see this mindset with NEVER SPENDING Bitfags who cite Pizza Guy as a cautionary tale.
>>62423912>when the yen became deflationaryWhy are you talking about deflation? The question was about a currency that gained relative purchasing power. Do you need to move the goalposts to prove your point? Seems like it!>We also see this mindset with NEVER SPENDING Bitfags who cite Pizza Guy as a cautionary tale.You see similar weird sentiments in your libertarian/agorism circles because that’s who you interact with. In reality the rise of BTC created tons of millionaires who realized their new purchasing power and actually achieved financial freedom. The only problem was the lack of privacy and the cooption of bitcoin into a bullshit controlled asset, which is a separate issue from the new wealth of a rising currency.
>>62423912that only applies to unnecessary spending. people will always buy what they need but they don't need all those trinkets that the economists want you to buy to pump the stocks
>>62423596>If you actually believed anyone can use XMR any way they please you would have zero problem with "moonfags". They're just promoting the market cap of the coin, which is a legitimate use. But you constantly ridicule them. Interesting!They're promoting a retarded BTC-style hoarding culture that degrades the Monero brand and hinders the growth of the economy.>Another fucking lie. When the USD was backed by gold, gold essentially was both SoV and MoE (with the dollar as paper-gold, the easily transported mechanism enabling MoE). Destroying gold as MoE is literally what got us into the insanity of modern finance.Limiting the size of your economy by how many shiny rocks you manage to dig out of the ground is retarded when you actually think about it.Namely, in order to trade goods and services, currency is used as a medium of exchange. More goods and services leads to more trades, and more trades need more currency for trading. A gold standard means the currency can only be printed when more gold is acquired.As more people make more goods, there is less currency in a gold standard to go around for trading. This leads to deflation, where the currency increases in value compared to goods. This makes debts more painful, labor more expensive, and has saving money be the better option then investing money. Which leads to the economy faltering as money gets hoarded rather then traded.Here, lemme dumb it down for you since you clearly have the IQ of a hamburger:More people = bigger economy Bigger economy requires more currency But more currency requires more gold, which has a limited supplyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard
>>62423877>by buying drugs on the internetNope>refusing to promote holding your wealth in XMRYou are allowed to hold, just don't expect the exchange rate to increase in XMR's favor>highly encourage and incentivize more mining, development, and expansion of the ecosystemNo, holding doesn't do that. The price won't increase just because you're inactive.>extremely wealthy (in purchasing power of course I would never never EVER reference USD saying that)Of course you're immediately thinking how to enter the jewish system again. >thereby enabling them to make ACTUAL REAL WORLD DECISIONS THAT AFFECT MAJOR EVENTS AND EXERCISE THEIR WILL TO POWER INTO REALITYBy, once again, just reentering the jewish system. You are so mindbroken by the jewish psyops that you simply can't imagine doing something that doesn't increase your good goy points.
>>62424009>you can use XMR however you want, just not if I can make your opinion look stupid with a gay reaction image>gold standard is dumbI was actually trying to level with you because I assumed you were a boomer metalist, but okay. What do YOU see as a SoV then?>>62424034>the concept of purchasing power does not exist independently of the USDIt actually does.
>>62424139>>the concept of purchasing power does not exist independently of the USDI didn't say anything close to that.
>>62424160You literally said two times that the concept of being wealthy (increasing purchasing power) necessarily means that I will “reenter the Jewish system” aka USD.Stop being retarded.
>>62424139I was actually trying to level with you because I assumed you were a boomer metalistI'm a pragmatist, I don't buy into theories that have proven lacking in practice. >but okay. What do YOU see as a SoV then?Primarily (productive) land/real estate and equities. Gold on occasion.Land has survived regime changes, currency collapses, wars, inflation and monetary resets better than most paper claims. It produces rent, food, timber, cash crops, etc. There will never not be high demand for such land so its a very safe and dependable SoV.Otherwise, equities are historically one of the strongest stores of real purchasing power because they represent fractional ownership of *productive* enterprises. The UBS/Credit Suisse Global Investment Returns work tracks shit like stocks, bonds, bills, inflation, currencies and gold from 1900 onward and long-run datasets *consistently* show equities outperforming bonds and cash over such broad time spans.>The long-run history of returns laid out in Chapter 2 shows how equities have outperformed bonds and bills in every country since 1900, reflecting such basic principleshttps://www.ubs.com/global/en/investment-bank/insights-and-data/2024/global-investment-returns-yearbook.htmlThey're not as safe as land or real estate but still are a helluva lot safer than fucking crypto lolAnd obviously gold, although results may vary since holding gold doesn't produce a cash flow and it performs best during times of crisis.
>>62424009> More people = bigger economy>Bigger economy requires more currency>But more currency requires more gold, which has a limited supplyWhy do you support Monero? It has a smaller inflation rate than gold, and will continue to decrease.And if Monero already has sufficient economic activity to support its **~!**transactional properties**~!** then why are you here? What is the point of promoting XMR if all you do is constrain the Monero economy with more goods and services with a very tiny inflation rate to accommodate it? Doesn’t that deflate the currency and force a hoarding culture? Shouldn’t you be advocating for a major inflation rate increase?What the fuck is going on with you fed
>>62424334>buy the top on boomer landNo>buy the top on jewish AI fraud equities marketNo. And I shouldn’t have to explain to anyone here how shocking and crazy it is for you to suggest equities as a SoV. I don’t give a shit about your historical data. You literally relentlessly harp on the ponzification of Bitcoin and how it’s all illegitimate, but you suggest…………an even larger manipulated ponzi scheme? I’m sure you’ll move the goalposts again and talk about some crazy valuation scheme you have to ONLY invest in REAL PRODUCTIVE companies, but it’s fucking pathetic you even have to make this argument and I already consider myself to have won. Fuck you.
>>62424502>Why do you support Monero?For the same reason I support other cypherpunk tech - I like my privacy and find it useful.>What is the point of promoting XMR if all you do is constrain the Monero economy with more goods and services with a very tiny inflation rate to accommodate it? Doesn’t that deflate the currency and force a hoarding culture? Shouldn’t you be advocating for a major inflation rate increase?Monero has divisibility far beyond ordinary retail needs so "not enough units" is not going to be an issue.
>>62424517>I don’t give a shit about your historical data.lol figures, you're more of a "vibes" investor, huh?>You literally relentlessly harp on the ponzification of Bitcoin and how it’s all illegitimate, but you suggest…………an even larger manipulated ponzi scheme? I’m sure you’ll move the goalposts again and talk about some crazy valuation scheme you have to ONLY invest in REAL PRODUCTIVE companies, but it’s fucking pathetic you even have to make this argument and I already consider myself to have won. Fuck you.Fractional ownership of profitable businesses is a ponzi scheme lmaoA profitable business sells goods or services to customers, receives revenue, pays costs and can generate surplus earnings. If you own say 1% of that business you own a claim on 1% of its residual economic value. So, shit like dividends, retained earnings, buybacks, liquidation value or future sale proceeds. The business can reward owners *even if no new investor ever appears* because the source of value is operating profit.A ponzi scheme, on the other hand, is structurally different. It pays earlier participants using money from later participants while pretending those payments come from legitimate profits. It requires continual inflows of new money to maintain the illusion so once new inflows slow, the scheme fails because there is no independent productive engine generating the promised returns.That distinction matters. A stock or private equity stake can totally be overpriced or speculative. But it is not inherently ponzi-like *as long as the underlying business produces cash flows.* There is always a floor, a point when it becomes advantageous to buy in if only to acquire assets that can be sold off for cash e.g. SpaceX is overvalued but it isn't worthless either.
There isn't really a need to increase monero (or any cryptocurrency's) inflation rate. If bandwidth or money supply is an issue in the future, you can just fork it from genesis.>>62424810read about georgism (or just watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_MGFRNqOE). All land ownership is basicially extracting value from productive activity. They're able to do this because of the way the social contract is designed, but there is nothing stopping the unlanded gentry from changing the social contract to massively increase property tax. The georgist single tax on unimproved property value is apparently an incredibly efficient way to run the economy according to models and real life implementations.You don't own land and rent it out, you are really just renting it from the government and subleasing it. Even now, you're subject to rules and taxes that determine your rental agreement from the government, It's just that the current state of affairs is tilted to benefit land owners to a retarded degree. This will get voted out once rentoids become the majorityAlso the whole system of property increasing in value forever assumes the population will increase forever driving demand, either through immigration or fertility. Even 3rd worlders have bad fertility now so idk about that.
does everyone forget the driving factor that recently shot us up over $400? Buying monero is essentially a bet on cybercrime that is uncorrelated with the rest of the economy, (except for the bitcoin price somewhat).Plus, I just think it's neat. I want to live in a world where monero or a related tech is common and available.
>>62419710mostly drugshttps://daunt.link
Xmr will have value for as long as drugs and money laundering have value. There is no legitimate use case for this coin outside of illegal activities though.
>>62424981This is the disappointment
>>62424165No, you are saying that by only caring about the XMR-USD-Exchange rate which you call price like XMR is just another good to be purchased with goy money.
>>62425151>drugs and money launderingThat's a big market though
>>62425607See>>62424139
>>62424810>It pays earlier participants using money from later participants while pretending those payments come from legitimate profits.You just described every IPO in history. Frankly every early equities market for a company in history. Frankly every mature equities market for any sizeable company that understands financial markets and accounting. It’s just funny because I literally know you have made Ponzi like arguments about EQUITIES in so many previous threads, yet you’re stuck in a corner here where you have to pretend there is “legitimate economic activity” in an AI equity bubble that takes up literally half of the economy and that those “fractional shares” are good stores of value. It’s hilarious actually.You’re hinting at it, we all know what’s coming. What is the special agori-georgio-libertarian calculus you have to find the LEGITIMATE companies that have zero ponzification exposure? Tell us how your farm stocks or whatever are superior to everything else.
>>62423757>Strive for something better, like actually making the parallel economy a thing instead of exiting it so your goycattle life in fiat is a little more hedonistic.A parallel economy needs bidirectional bridges so people can come and go as they please, otherwise it's just China. >Inb4 xmrbazaar/retoswap/serai/latest 'coming Soon™ market maker/etcPhysical bridges operated by real humans. >Unless you regularly transact billions you are fine with the current market capI wouldn't call it fine. I'm fairly certain the community would be happy with a much higher market cap, even if all it did was make it so the price didn't +/- 50% every time there's a defi hack>>62423912>The yenIdk if this is a fair comparison since it's fiat currency vs commodity currency. It doesn't really disprove what I said earlier though since I can point to the Covid stimmy checks and PPP loans as examples of frivolous spending after a rapid increase in purchasing power.I guess it all depends on which people we're talking about
>>62424726>not enough unitsAre you actually delusional enough to think this is a real problem? Remember, gold was essentially issued in dollars before. They can print extra zeros on a dollar bill $0.00001
>>62425151>There is no legitimate use case for this coin outside of illegal activities though.Post checking account number so I can see all the activities you've engaged in since you've opened it.What's that? Even if you were retarded enough to do that, legacy banks don't work like that? You don't say!
>>62426257>You just described every IPO in history. Frankly every early equities market for a company in history. Frankly every mature equities market for any sizeable company that understands financial markets and accounting.Dunning-Kruger in full effect here lmao. In an IPO, investors buy ownership in a company, the company receives capital or existing owners sell part of their stake. The transaction is disclosed as an *equity sale*, not as a guaranteed yield supposedly generated by secret profits. After the IPO, shareholders own a residual claim on the company.A mature stock market also is not a ponzi just because price appreciation depends partly on future buyers. Every asset with a resale market has that feature: houses, farmland, gold, art, private businesses, bonds before maturity, whateverdafuck. Resale value does not automatically equal ponzi mechanics, nimrod, the question is whether there is an underlying asset or productive claim and whether returns are falsely represented as internally generated while actually being paid from new deposits.Your wet brain also fails to consider the role of accounting. A real, profitable company can be audited, valued, liquidated, acquired, sued, taxed, regulated, analyzed, etc through its balance sheets, income statements, cash-flow statements, assets, liabilities, margins, debt, retained earnings........geddit, you unmitigated imbecile? Conversely, an actual ponzi scheme fabricates or obscures these things because there is no adequate underlying business or outside cash flow generation.
>>62426257>It’s just funny because I literally know you have made Ponzi like arguments about EQUITIES in so many previous threadsYou're clearly very confused about such matters.>you have to pretend there is “legitimate economic activity” in an AI equity bubble that takes up literally half of the economy and that those “fractional shares” are good stores of value. And here our resident window licker conflates overvaluation with nonexistence of underlying value. An AI equity bubble can absolutely exist (prices can be inflated, expectations unrealistic and capital misallocated) but that does not also mean the companies involved lack legitimate economic activity. Businesses like chipmakers, cloud providers, software companies andb enterprise AI vendors sell real products, generate revenue, own assets, employ workers, and in many cases produce large cash flows.
>>62426567>They can print extra zeros on a dollar bill $0.00001Yes, requiring consumers to replace their wallets with sacks would work out great for everybody.
>>62427268>intentionally avoiding the obvious corruption in the equities market for the sake of an internet conversation>>62427272>intentionally avoiding the obvious fact that the existence of massive overvaluation aka bubble literally means it isn't a good store of value and instead just regurgitating shit about "legitimate economic activity" for the sake of an internet conversation>>62427292>intentionally ignoring the existence of paper currency for the sake of an internet conversationIt has been shown time and again across months, years, dozens of posters calling you out. Let me say it again. You are not a good faith actor. You do not engage in good faith. Conversing with you is a complete waste of time except to warn everyone in these threads not to take you seriously.
>>62427422I Can't Rebut: The Post.
>>62427435I Can't Grow an Asset: the anon
>>62423912>monero pumpsI get sales and start buying stuff>monero dumpsEveryone buys and hodls like crazyClearly it's not that simple. Japanese people are an outlier because they are extremely conservative and save no matter what.
>>62427591NEW THREAD >>62427591NEW THREAD >>62427591NEW THREAD
>>62424890>does everyone forget the driving factor that recently shot us up over $400?I keep thinking this too. There WILL be another hack eventually funneled through XMR. That's the time to sell or spend. Seems obvious to me. It's HAPPENED already...
>>62426298>A parallel economy needs bidirectional bridges so people can come and go as they please, otherwise it's just China.I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to exchange. I'm saying that shouldn't be all you care about (which is the truth if you only care about ngu but don't participate in the parallel economy). You are trying to make XMR an asset of the jewish system. >Physical bridges operated by real humans.Care to sell me one?
>>62426796This is such a retarded statement. XMR's entire value is derived from its use in the online drug market. There is no valid use case outside of this context aside from money laundering you fucking inbred mongoloid. Go buy Starbucks with monero. Oh wait, you can't you stupid nigger brained ape
>>62428349these are such government bureaucrat coded posts its sad
