How hard is EE uni?
>>62339486AI, it's over. Only get licensing for a profession that is protected by the highest levels of corruption.
very, if you are not comfortable with math and physics, or don't have an iq of at least 120, you will be overwhelmed by the workload and labs and assignments
>>62339492Where do the 115-118 IQ engineers go when they realize they're not the next Nikola Tesla?
>>62339496maintenance work, going from site to site to diagnose faults, basically a tradie job, or you can join a epc firm and start designing electrical layouts in housing and substations, it really depends on your connections, the really high iq ones are starting their own companies or designing high end chips, i really don't see the point in getting into debt for this degree today with ai about to replace everything, unless you are doing it as a hobby, ai is already doing chip design
>>62339486huge field, some are specialties harder than others; you'll make dog shit money for a few years until you get a handle on things and double or triple your salary.Retards get auto-filtered and forced into finishing a business degree.
>>62339496Some got leg lengthening and dental surgery and moved into higher management, but now, there is AI. Understand that.
>>62339517Shouldn't EE's have good unions? I'm sure they can fight back against AI for a bit unlike programmers. Ofc they can't stop certain things such as AI making better chips but I'm sure they can retain some job security.
>>62339496If they're still at university? Comp-sci. I'm not being a smartass. I was in a EE/comp-sci blended program. Had several classmates go, "I can't deal with the physics prereqs," and jump ship.
>>62339546i don't even know why people compare comp sci with ee, comp sci is largely theoretical, most of the practical stuff you learn at work
>>62339542ees won't be replaced like programmers, but i don't think new jobs will be created, they will just go to the current crop of engineers, most of the practical maintenance work will still be around, if you really want to hedge your bet, then do nursing or something related, that will likely be the last job that remains in demand
>>62339546Huh I thought maybe they'd switch to mechanical engineering
>>62339486It was very hard for me. Spent a lot of time having to study for complex math, circuit diagrams, fourier transforms, it was a fucking nightmare. Graduated at the tail end of the great recession, literally no one was hiring. Took a fucking glorified helpdesk job, worked my way up to DevOps because my degree was technically also CompEng, shifted to a different company focusing more on the FinOps side of things, and now I just do DevOps full time. Literally nothing to do with anything I spent 4 years of my life perfecting only to just throw it all away doing cloud work. Had an opportunity to start at micron a decade ago (talk about missed opportunities) but I probably wouldn't have gotten any stock options as a new grad so who knows.Don't do this unless you want to. I enjoyed it, but what I got out of it more than anything was learning to work with Saudis and Chinks since those were my classmates, but don't even think about it being an instant golden ticket. Life's a journey so don't kick yourself if you have to work from the bottom up.
>>62339559I think it's because they attract a lot of the same potential students: "I like computers and electronics." I can only speak for my experience, but the comp sci curriculum involved was mostly practical or foundational stuff: architecture, operating systems, networking, etc. Not the more esoteric math end of it. The mix with EE intended for targeting FPGAs, embedded, robotics, and automation/controls stuff. Basically, "know how to filter a ADC on either side."Students would take intro to circuits and intro to programming the same year and decide they liked writing Hello World more than calculating Thevenin equivalents.
>>62339563Oh boy are you deluded if you think you're some kind of special exception to the rule. You're already obsolete. Muh Engineering.Muh special skill.Bye bye.
>>62339598i am not saying they won't be replaced, i am saying it won't happen like programming since its a very wide field
>>62339592i didn't know computer scientists do control, although its probably very introductory stuff, and fpgas? How do they even teach you this stuff without understanding circuits at a deeper level, or maybe they only teach how to program them and not how to design an fpga in a pcb,
Learn analog/digital hardware and some embedded programming, then try to get into industries where they require you to build highly specialized and custom embedded electronics, very lucrative but probably requires touching grass to even begin to know where the opportunities are. In electronics, you can pretty much teach yourself everything just get KiCad and read some Altium blogs to figure out what to do with traces and layer mangement, then send your gerber to some fab in China and you have a finished product. Still need real industry experience and good hardware skills to know what products are actually in demand. Stay away from copying the cool "projects" you see on Youtube, a lot of them are just performative LARPing and the concepts you learn from doing those projects might not be as applicable to what's actually needed in industry. Never go into utilities or power engineering, the boomers stay there for 50+ years and refuse to to leave, even then they do they'll just hire some 24 year old son of some senior director to replace the boomer that just left.
>>62339677Maybe that's still viable, but you need some moat against customers letting AI design & order the product for them. Risk & scale, for example.
>>62339686If the AI is good enough build the product from scratch and order the proper components from the correct vendors then it's over. Doesn't matter how hard people cry about it, even if you beg for the government to ban AI to "SAVE MUH JOBS" it won't matter because the Chinese definitely won't give a shit and will go full AI adoption, and in the end the customers will end up ordering from them like they already do with majority of manufactured goods. I wouldn't worry about it until it happens. Just learn something else. If you can do it with EE, then you can do it with something else.
>>62339741It can map very complex patterns in IT, and work autonomously for hours. That's because the data is good enough and public, IT cucks lack testosterone. Now AI corporations have access to the IP of every industry. If these API calls can be meaningfully used for training, they will find a way to force the customers to allow it, or just use it and get away with it because it's too profitable. I'd expect 12 to 48 months for end to end EE product development, depending on the political plays.
>>62339542EE doesnt need unions. AI is only a threat to shit tier programmers. AI cant into embedded. Its hilarious to watch people try and use AI to make anything that connects to the physical world. It can make slop game, apps, and websites.
>>62339767>the data is good enough and public, IT cucks lack testosterone.the moat would be lucrative opportunities in fields that filter out the IT cucks where you have to service equipment outdoors where there's no ac and where the data is not good enough due to harsh operating conditions because average AI slop product would just get completely torn apart. Instrumentation for downhole drilling for example.
>>62339796>harsh, torn apartSo we are back to fighting for a few jobs where the slaves are worked to death? Nice.
what am I gonna do.
>>62339542AI is already used to make better chips. EEs don't give a fuck and just tell each other to git gud.
>>62339563I'll just be making a little more than min wage as a nurse. Hours will be long too. I guess it's better than nothing.
>>62342082https://ocw.mit.edu/Teach yourself if you got the brains. 10 months ago I knew nothing. Now I can diagnosis pretty much any circuit AC/DC. I repair guitar amps, music equipment. Design circuits, make them.look up the syllabus then search textbook_name.pdf. I use AI to make me questions to test myself. There are lectures on youtube as well.
>>62342185registered nurses make over 200k, it's a lucrative job and in extreme high demand
>>62339486pretty easy and boring, should be harder desu; my iq is only 105 or sohowever it's not optimal if you want to get chicks in college
>>62339496industrial engineering or business and dad gets them a job
>>62339496I work to live, not live to work. I want a Porsche and a house. Make enough to retire early.
>>62339496Compsci, so you're still useful despite AI.
>>62339486BS in EE isn't that bad if you're not a brainlet autist. i maintained some semblance of a social life and worked part time, GPA 3.7. Graduated 2020 EE/CE, now a senior design engineer in the med device space. Admittedly easier for me due to locale being a mecca for med design. >>62339677Seconded - get into regulated industry, med device if you have a soul, oil/gas or defense if you don't. AI adoption will be partial at best with human centered input and review (per FDA guidance, would assume similar for DOD and DOE) and the design cycles for something like a clinical prototype require consideration far beyond the scope of prompt engineering. >>62342136Exactly, its a git gud world, find a niche, git gud at it, stay at the front of what's coming.Final advice would be to not neglect soft skills, i'm good, but being able to talk has taken me further than my technical ability. Especially true for client facing design roles or consulting work (down the line for you). I work with total autists who mask hard and have spent years hacking their own brains to make it work. Talking PhD in EE having to sell design services to finance dorks. If he can do it, you can too.
>>62342217Do you ever feel demoralized when you realize the knowledge you teach yourself won't make you a buck?
>>62339486Electrical Engineering? You're asking this on /biz/, though you'd probably just get trolled on /sci/. You just need to go through the foundations. Your university should have the most credible say on where you stand and your remediation placement, even above individual professors, which you should ignore if they claim you have unrealistic deficiencies that would require you to redo high school rather than quickly review a few pages, especially later on, when, assuming it's true, they created it. The things I had the most difficulty with were factorization (make sure to learn special products, calculus will have you doing them in reverse) and geometric concepts like the ambiguous/law of sines and cosines (because my professor lied and claimed it was about similar triangles, something our book only touches twice in very obscure off-topic word problem Sullivan likes to troll students with), trigonometric equations, and polar equations (because our professor told us to avoid taking notes to pay attention, but his PDF files were empty). In the end, you'll only be able to review the book method, so don't depend on crappy methods your professors might come up with. Remember, your passing grade is definitive proof you learned it, and nobody can just talk their way into taking it from you.
