Half the threads are stocks and crypto. All this discussion centered on something that's as simple as buy index funds and fuggetaboutit.You should be talking about business. Generating leads. Maximizing profits. Marketing.Stop talking about buying, and start talking about selling. The richest people are people who sell. Start fucking selling.
>>62387738>You should talk about...le business!You wish that you kike. I'll keep flipping coins. I will not fall for the jewish business scam. I will keep neeting and gooning to amy rose futa feet
Sales is bottom of the barrel scum work
>>62387738If I had the money I'd go and invest in some 3rd world country with less competition and still a need for basic amenities and resource extraction. You're never going to be the next Warren Buffet but you can be the owner of the largest homegrown timber business in Papua New Guinea
>>62387803If you aren't doing sales, then you're an employee making someone who is doing sales rich.Sales is magic. Words (spells) changing another person's mind. It is the greatest skill because you are bending reality to your will.
>>62387738Fuck dealing with people and fuck sales. Jewish bullshit.
>>62388034People like you literally are the finished product of international jewry. You will never pose even a slight threat against jews.
>>62387738>half the threads are stocks and cryptoOn an exceptional day, sureHave you seen this fucking catalog?
nice try felon, I am not bag holding your bags in the index
>>62388058have fun dealing in the real world goy
>>62387738Sure, let's talk business then.About a year ago I started a startup. I have clients and successful pilots, now I'm negotiating a paid deal. I can't find funding, which I need to be able to scale (more clients, more conversions from unpaid to paid, developing the platform, etc.). Impossible without, it's pretty capital intensive upfront and need a lot more development to improve the economics of it. It's science-heavy so the development can't be done in a vacuum (must have access to data from clients and such). It's in a sparse but very profitable area, my tech is computationally validated (and the successful pilots demonstrate it fits what is needed), has extreme upside potential and has little risk left to it (there are a good amount of example companies that can be used as models to calibrate expectations vs my business plan).Can't get a dime. Went through maybe half of all real so-called pre-seed/idea stage VCs, 4x YC application (not even a top 10% email). I'm going to try strategic angels next, but don't have any warm intros at all. None of the soft funding options are available because I'm not a woman unironically.Well, what do you have to say about that? Are you investing in my startup yet?
>>62388328Yea that's the problem every business has. Getting customers. And no one will invest in your business until they know you have customers.
>>62388367Did you read? I don't have any problem getting customers. I have problems getting funded. You clearly have no idea how business or fundraising work though. After all, you could literally google right now and find a thousand chatgpt wrapper company getting 3-5m seed with no product and no customer right this moment.
>>62387825That's a lotta words to say you scam people
>generating leadsOh cool so what's your faggot paid discord channel you're trying to shill.
>>62388500Its not scamming. If an ice cream store puts a poster on their window of a cone you can go and buy, and you go in and buy it, you have been subject to a sales tactic.You saw the poster, you mind was changed, you went in and bought ice cream. There was no scam. You got the fucking ice cream. You ate it. That's how life works.
>>62388545What you describe is marketing, not sales.
lol image being so poor you think you should do stuff instead of just buying other people's time and taking most of the profit. kek enjoy being "middle class" forever. keeps your poors talk on plebbit. maybe go to college and then door to door glad handing and hope no one shoots at you. worked great for the boomers
>>62388573Sales is marketing. Its all the same thing. One uses talking, the other uses words and images. Its the same thing. Change the person's mind to buy.You need to talk to people to get anything substantial done in life. You need to demonstrate that you are competent. You need to demonstrate that you are trustworthy. People won't know ANY of that if you never talk to them.If you want to build a church, you have to talk to people. You can't do it alone.
>>62388545>muh ice cream posterYou lie to people in their faces to sell them shit while you conveniently hide vital information about quality of the products, payments information and any kind of details as long as you make a sale, and all that while you give zero fucks about the people who buy. You only care you don't get caught lying in your "sale tactics" (i.e. scamming retards)
>>62388585Sales and marketing are part of the same continuous motion, but they are very different things. It is why you never hire salespeople in marketing roles or vice versa. Totally different skillsets because they're not the same at all. You also don't understand that there are different kinds of sales tactics and different kinds of businesses. You don't seem to understand the notions of product-led vs sales-led organizations, for example. Generally speaking, you are clueless about basic concepts overall.
>>62388328>>62388370kek this is why i come to biz. "no no this is truly a great idea and will totally make a ton of money! FOR SURE! small problem, no one is willing to actually pay for it. all I need is several money and I'm sure it'll work. I went to a bunch of VC and they all thought my idea was stupid but if I just had money it would work."your idea sucks, your execution sucks, or there isn't a market. its that simple, you have to fix at least one of those problems. t.someone on a committee that allocates VC. I can put you in touch with many people who "have a great idea" that "just can't get funding", in reality all their idea's are easy to poke big holes in.
>>62387738Is selling my sperm to your mother a good idea?
>>62388594If a woman walks into a hair salon and asks if they can take her, and they say it is appointment only, they just rejected a customer.If they say 'we can take you in 15 minutes', they gave a her a choice to stay.If they improve their operation so that they can take her right away, that's the best outcome.Whatever the case, the person receiving her has to know what to say. That's sales. There is no scam.>>62388598Yea I'm a beginner to business.
>>62388608I have a long list of interested parties, LoIs signed, working on a paid deal, and written approval to move forward on a second (low) 7 fig deal if the pilot completes.Nothing I'm doing is magic, it's the same roadmap that's been proven before multiple times. My technology is proven and my traction is the highest any company in the space has shown pre-funding unironically.The investors think the idea is great, the tech is great, the traction is good and the team is fantastic. The key problems are: all funds are stuck in AI (over 70% of all deals in the space), funding rates in the field are the lowest they've been in the past 40 years, and deal volume has largely shifted to the right (i.e. no seed or pre-seed funding anymore, fuckhuge record-breaking funding for series B and C, and far fewer deals at far higher valuations). As a result, the problem on the investor side is only that I haven't been able to form the required urgency ("sounds great, can wait next year and see if it's still around").Even if it was a retarded b2b saas instead of b2b biotech, those usually make a single $50 one-time payment in year 1 and call that huge traction and success (it's used to prove someone is in fact willing to part with money for this, you build from there). I have a contract right now that I'm negotiating for a 4 fig monthly payment with a yearly commitment that was initiated by the client and not me because that's how critical what I'm building is. Said saas would have raised 6-7 figs about 6-9 months prior to signing this $50/year deal that they consider a success.I don't understand why you retards who don't comprehend even the most basic things about business want to opine like that all the time. Like read a book, I don't know watch the retarded youtube slop you're addicted to. Do something productive. But it's pretty hilarious how braindead retarded your comment on all this is. Do you put on your clown makeup in the morning every day?
>>62388636At any rate though, it is true that sales and marketing are not inherently a scam, and that sales is central to business. A business with sales mastery can work off anything provided the resources are there to meet demand. A business with the fanciest tech and no sales support isn't going to get anyone to buy in, even if the tech is exactly what the clients want.
>>62388636>If they say 'we can take you in 15 minutes', they gave a her a choice to stay! That's genius! I'm a great (((salesman)))My prostitute did this and believe me, it was not pretty for the previous customer, for me, and for the next one. She had cum all over her hair and mouth, and in her armpits after i fucked her. She didn't have time to shower but she didn't give a fuck as long as she made more money. She scammed all three of us.
>>62388085what site has a better alpha to noise ratio? I remember back in the day there was a ton of money forums that were pretty good or old /biz/, but now it's blackpilling to look at anything. I just give up. It's 100x harder than a decade or two ago.
>>62388681>where does one even go to avoid this faggotryWish I knew, anonThe whole internet seems to have contracted a terminal case of rot and I don't know when the magic really left and if it can even return. I've unironically been spending more time off the screens meditating in silence the last few months. It's far more productive than getting loosh farmed or lust baited to me
>>62388692The magic left in 2007 and nothing short of creating a complete alternative web could possibly bring it back.
>>62388698I think it was a bit later than that, but not by muchIts more than just a functional internet, we need a whole new breakaway civilization. Problem is the last time there has been any real attempt at it (a la rhodesia) the globohomo apparatus curb stomped it and pissed on the corpse.Whatever the solution is, it'll probably have to be operated with xmr to even get off the ground
>>62388692jeez, I wonder why
>>62388645lol the struggling "business" owner wrote at someone who's job is allocating money to things that will grow. believing in yourself isn't inherently bad, but it is detrimental when it rises to the level of delusions. I stopped reading at funding rates in the field are the lowest they've been in the past 40 years. totally wrong. it's literally never been quicker or easier to get funded, ever, in anything. hundreds of billions of dollars daily, not being able to get a chunk of that tells you something about you, your idea, and your execution. its raining money and yet you can't come up with a plan to even get wet. If you're so convinced it will work fund it privately. you won't because first you probably don't have any assets, next you realize its probably not going to work, and deep down you know you're larping ceo with an idea instead of the long, boring, hard, tedious, demoralizing, down dirty work execution requires.I do hope you make it, even if you're too stupid to take guidance. there's endless "good ideas". most of them are practically worthless. wanting it (even believing in it) is completely irrelevant, results are the only thing that matters. yours are not just lacking, but instead non-existent. you're a child with stars in their eye's akin to saying I'll just open a restaurant and serve better food than everyone else. how hard can it possibly be? make better food, simple as.lack of funding isn't a real problem. lack of execution, you as a person, and/or a stupid idea is your problem. being not just defensive but combative immediately to someone who evaluates idea's and allocates capex to grow them is just extra icing on the cake. even if your idea was actually good (unlikely is being generous) I wouldn't want to work with you. best of luck.>>62388681>>62388692AI slop. 95% of the internet is AI or bots.
>>62388777Wasted numerals on a retard who is so retarded he can't even use google to fact check before showing everyone he doesn't even know the most basic facts and figures.
>>62388777>writes tedious (wrong) bullshit>calls other posters ai slopPottery
>>62388770That's definitely part of itIts a macrocosm of the cultural destruction/dilution happening in every 'tolerant' society the world overHonestly makes the cult compounds and their resultant personal harems from the 70s through the 90s seem like totally sane responses in hindsight
>>62388782kek jelly. you can't get trips unless you speak the truth. jealousy is such an ugly trait. no one is coming to save you, you have to do it yourself. the sooner you take responsibility for your constant failures in the easiest environment to thrive in that has ever existed the sooner you grow. playing on easy and still complaining about how hard it is lol
>>62388814I'm not taking that 0/8 b8 anymore, the rest was just freebies.Now invest in my startup or go back to redd!t.
>>62387738pretty much everyone posting online whether its here or fb or anything in-between is a mentally ill poor retard, so there's nothing positive to be gained from here aside from maybe 1:1000 outliers/posts. any post about crypto, stocks, or precious medals is bot slop or retards. ts is basically just entertainment for boredom.
>>62389510obv meant metals
>>62387738Sharing actual business ideas is a good way to create a lot of competition for your business.
>>62389599midwit take/ideas are worhtless/execution is everything...and location too kek
>>62389599Some ideas are worth defending, that's why you have tools like patent pending status (patent applications are prohibitively expensive to do upfront but patent pending status is easy enough). But most of it is execution because it is built on a key insight nobody else has, so even if someone mimics the description you provide, that will break immediately.Competition is also a good thing in the early stages because investors, being clinically retarded, see it exclusively as a sign that the market likes the idea. In particular, investors will never look at your business if you DON'T have competition.
>>62388636> mfw i just learned what a walk-in issales is just not being a dick and having your shit together, not some mystical art
