nigger

I'm not Satoshi, I'm cocaine

I’m fucking tired of this. Tired of losing money. Tired of the lack of urgency of anyone here. Tired of people resisting simple things like marketing the coin. Tired of people saying that financial gain is irrelevant. Tired of people accusing others of being moonboys. Tired of libertarians and agorists being the voice of the coin.

Tired of being a niche currency when it has incredible potential. Tired of watching scams like ZEC make its holders richer. Tired of these threads barely staying alive for months because someone posts “I’m Satoshi” every other day. Tired of the attacks, whether selfish mining or the threat of bugs or FUD or destroying exchange/swap liquidity.

Tired of waiting for FCMP. Tired of pretending like it will matter significantly. Tired of acting like I think this will ever go mainstream. Tired of being controlled by the wake of BTC price movements. Tired of waiting for fucking Russian or Chinese dark markets to discover XMR and stop being retarded with stablecoins. Tired of the bots, especially ZEC ones. Tired of being tied to the development activities of like barely 10 people and essentially betting on their talent and success. Tired of many XMR people regularly talking about “other privacy coins” on their shows. Tired of having to continually push my time horizon even further into the future for when this project actually achieves real growth and value for my time.

I’m tired of being tired.

It would be beneficial generally if the price increased.

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>stack Monero for any reason
>some scam gets hacked
>XMR pumps like crazy

Just wait for this then sell, it's the most guaranteed money in crypto. Hackers gonna hack, XMR gonna pump, just sell then.

>>62427832
Weird how you're not tired of reposting your old same old (and wrong) pasta >>62411174

>>62428035
>Bro just care only about the XMR to USD exchange rate
>Don't build a parallel economy, you should strive to make more goy bucks

>>62427835
There's no inherent benefit to a change rate more in favor for XMR. In fact, it could disincentive newcomers to join.


See how these totally normal and organic posters immediately shat up the new thread? They are trying so hard to kvetch their goy bucks out of this. The worst part is they show some of the posting patterns that the peddlers of the jeetcoin that plagued this whole board with its incessant marketing had.

Explain how it's better if you have to work more hours to buy the same thing using XMR

>>62428091
Where does this perspective come from? I have long thought you people are actually feds intentionally trying to keep Monero obscure. The only legitimate activity is buying your fucking bake sale items. You’re a piece of shit. Whether you’re a fed or just a loser who doesn’t understand markers, financial economics or the state of the world we live in, just understand: you have no basis for your pretentiousness around “muh bartering”, you have invented this idea of “sacrosanct economic activity” in your head and it doesn’t correspond with reality at all.

Nobody who encounters Monero today knows that they are being ideological Trojan horsed with this bartering-only agorist bullshit. It is obviously killing any potential this coin had. The entire world is built upon various forms of financialization, many of which are scams, but many of which are incredibly productive and lucrative for investors. By eschewing the economic engine of the FUCKING WORLD you are condemning everyone in this community to a life of poverty and obscurity.

The only people who could support that are Feds or retards. I hope you die in a fire faggot

>>62428091
>LITERALLY say only that it would help if the price increased
>he actually disagrees
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahhah
Nah fuck you

https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article/7/1/tyab004/6166133

https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article/7/1/tyab004/6166133

https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article/7/1/tyab004/6166133

> The ultimate aim of new tools in the blockchain space should be to reduce the economic value of the outlawed native cryptocurrency whose value drives the operation of a given platform, in particular by reducing trust in the stability and security of the network. If effective, means that reduce the value of the cryptocurrency will therefore reduce the number of the network’s users and nodes. The decreasing number of users and nodes (and thus the decreasing infrastructural and political decentralization [66]) should automatically reduce blockchain security. Networks underlying the privacy-coins will then become more vulnerable to further attacks on their currencies or any activities reducing the value of given privacy coins, which can be systematically repeated by a government until the virtual assets cease to be accepted for payments or used for investment purposes.

READ THIS PAPER AND CONSIDER THE RIDICULOUSNESS OF SOMEONE ACTUALLY ARGUING AGAINST INVESTING IN MONERO. HE IS AN ACTUAL FED

I FUCKING HATE YOU AND I WILL ENSURE YOU LOSE

>>62428188
Why is this bot only reposting from the previous threads where he got btfo'd too?

>>62428253
I just told you where it wouldn't help

>>62428112
I baked a cookie. That’s the argument

>>62428298
>ARGUING AGAINST INVESTING IN MONERO.
Yeah I'm totally arguing against investing in XMR by telling you to actually build the parallel economy we need to escape the jewish system. All you argue for is Monero becoming yet another asset in the jewish controlled systems.

>>62428315
I’m going to post this in every single fucking thread so that everyone can see you’re a lying FAGGOT. Your muh moonfag bullshit will be a lot tougher to argue when the actual academic paper is staring everyone in the face showing them your fucking tactic.

WE WILL BUY MONERO
WE WILL SAVE MONERO
WE WILL HOLD MONERO
AND WE WILL GET RICH OFF IT
fuck you fed

>>62428322
>WE WILL BUY MONERO
>WE WILL SAVE MONERO
>WE WILL HOLD MONERO
>AND WE WILL GET RICH OFF IT
And notice how none of that makes Monero any more attractive to anyone. Who in their right mind would think some currency is worth more because it isn't used? Surely the value of something is not derived from it not being used as that would imply it's not useful, right?
The worst part is I never argued against exchanging USD for XMR, saving it or holding but using it to 'get rich off it' (by putting converting it back to USD). That's because the value of XMR is in its transactional qualities and not if people pay more USD for it now just not to use it.

>>62428341
>im against using it to get rich
>>62428315
>im not against investing in Monero
Jew.

>>62428354
>BROOO I CAN ONLY INVEST BY MAKING USD
>YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND I NEED USD
>THERE IS AND NEVER WILL BE A WAY TO USE XMR OTHER THAN MAKING USD OFF IT
Try harder your kike loving mega faggot

>>62428366
It’s funny how nobody has EVER said anything about USD, you just continually insert that to make your tactic work.

Can you even imagine buying a house with 0.075 XMR? Does that even make sense to you? You’re such a lying fed Jew.

>>62428425
>It’s funny how nobody has EVER said anything about USD, you just continually insert that to make your tactic work.
You mentioned 'price' (>>62427835). Surely you mean the price relative to something and not just some vague price in which 1 XMR = x nothings.
>Can you even imagine buying a house with 0.075 XMR?
Eventually that's because I actually try to build the parallel economy meanwhile you only care about the exchange rate (which you call price) to increase in XMR's favor. That's because, once again, all you care about is being part of the jewish system we are trying to escape.

Buy Monero
Hold Monero
Save Monero
Put a substantial percentage of your net worth in Monero
Anticipate the significant gain in your purchasing power from holding said Monero

_____________________________

[OPTIONAL: (NOT required) participate in the Monero online drug/bake sale at your convenience and/or sell goods or services]

>>62427591
>a day ago
when did he say this?

>>62427832
but the financial gain is irrelevant
even when I was poor in 2021 and barely starting in crypto, when I bought monero I never did it with the plan of making profits. it was to secure ownership

>>62428659
A day ago

>>62428071
>I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to exchange. I'm saying that shouldn't be all you care about (which is the truth if you only care about ngu but don't participate in the parallel economy).
It's not, but it's something that needs to be focused on regardless of whether or not it makes ngu (though it should help on paper). This was a topic at Monerokon

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC0iNEqgvvo
TLDW we need Monero dealers and Monero help desks

>Care to sell me one?
If I knew how to build one, sure. Sadly there's no real info out there on how to be a liquidity provider without the risk of getting vanned

>>62428659
>>62428741
https://xcancel.com/PeterSchiff/status/2071035898611867805

>>62428741
>>62428799
Monero is better than Bitcoin.
Jun 28, 2026 · 1:00 AM UTC

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https://njump.to/nevent1qqszu3lpz0dmemyaasyyr76gud9rz8d9reerj5w2twmkfp7auxx0sespzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsygx0nvrdhklpp3m7qld8ep5n5h75e59l0ln9wjvnezag0tjdvsqvqupsgqqqqqqssd0pq3

Good read.

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>>62430174
based
keynesian jews deserve the rope

>>62428708
You're lying out your fucking ass

You guys talk about not thinking in USD terms, creating a parallel economy...
Then my question is: how do you value how much 1 XMR is worth?
How do you then value other items? Cryptos are inheritly shitty in this regard.
No one thinks in 0.125 of XMR or 0.5, 0.2, 0,01XMR
How do you even think of assigning value to stuff in 0.something of XMR?
Who dictates that?
I won't buy the faggotry of demand and offer.

>>62433930
how much value is 1 USD worth?

If I go to a restraunt, I can usually expect a meal to be $10. When I go t the gas station, I can expect fuel to be $3 a gallon. When I go to the laundromat... I adjust my expectations slowly over time based on inflation and events that change prices in a sector-by-sector basis of the economy.

So I imagine it would be like that, but with μɱ instead of $.

Right know I typicially eyeball things on the order of 0.1XMR which is on the order if $10. Since most transactions are on the order of 10s of $. I do tend to think of things in terms of 0.1 xmr, right now $30 I assume. But it will be less ergonomic in the future. I assume at global adoption it would be at like μɱ levels. There may be an intermediary time after goes up past $1000 where I think in terms of milli-monero or 0.001 on the order of $1

>>62434029
Obviously that theory makes sense but the idea that people would do that today is retarded. The anon chastising everyone who doesn't think in terms of XMR costs is a faggot, especially when 99.999999% of things you have ever bought were priced in USD or your local currency.

I'll think in terms of XMR costs when it's actually on the price of goods, not before then like some pedantic agorist fucktard.

>>62434069
>The anon chastising everyone who doesn't think in terms of XMR costs is a faggot, especially when 99.999999% of things you have ever bought were priced in USD or your local currency.
Not what I'm doing. I'm calling out moonfags for trying to make XMR an asset in the jewish monetary system. That's why they always say 'price' like XMR is just another good they can purchase instead of 'exchange rate' as anyone uses with other currencies. No one says '1 EUR costs 1.4 USD' because that'd imply that the European market is just a subset of the American market. What's worse is that goods in one market might not be priced the same in another. Recently, it was announced GTA 6 would be both 80 USD and 80 EUR despite 1 EUR > 1 USD. So even if you priced every good in the parallel economy relative to its price in USD you'd find that this market is US-centric (and therefore still a vassal of the jews - which also holds true for any fiat estimation but we can at least expect one country to break free of the jewish yoke and that country won't be the US), effectively pricing out more expensive economies and in the end also the US when participants enter from a market that isn't expensive as the US.
The only benefit you have from thinking that one 1 XMR = x USD is that it'll more easily be integrated into the US market. What does that beget you? Nothing besides trying to make USD off XMR.

>>62434206
>I'm calling out moonfags for trying to make XMR an asset in the jewish monetary system.
Literally nobody is doing this.

>That's why they always say 'price' like XMR
>instead of "exchange rate"
You can't see me in person, but I am quite literally face palming at how retarded this is. Be honest anon, are you mentally well? It's alright to admit you're having mental health problems.

>>62434244
>Literally nobody is doing this.
They are by only caring about the exchange rate of XMR. They scoff at the idea of the parallel economy and just want to get rich (in their favorite jewish-controlled fiat) off Monero without even using it.
>but I am quite literally face palming at how retarded this is.
Sorry but I don't argue with people who think words don't have meanings.

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>>62434289
>Sorry but I don't argue with people who think words don't have meanings.
Fuck you

>>62434309
>See, you were right about us simply caring about fiat!

>>62433930
There is no muh parallel economy YET because people get paid in fiat and not in XMR, so people will always have to convert to do anything. You also can't even buy common things using XMR, and if you insist on using XMR you usually have to pay an extra which means your purchasing power lowers and you have to work more to buy the same shit you can buy with USD. People don't value privacy that much for normal ass purchases to justify paying 10% more for a PC or some headphones just because it's le private, but tards will not accept this and will keep the coin stuck as a currency for evading the government. This just gives the government reason to completely get rid of it since they can use the excuse of only criminals needing to use it.

DNMfags were useful to stress test the coin, and now that everything just works it's time to actually make it take over general transactions. Tards just can't be serious when they tell people to just suck it up and lose purchasing power or work more just to get into the currency.

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None of you can stop me or convince me to not to:

Stack XMR
Save in XMR
Sell for profit in XMR
Praying for ngu


My average buy is under $150, so I'm already up. Don't care what any of you glowies say

ZEC is the fajest & gayest scam in crypto

>>62433930
>how do you value how much 1 XMR is worth?
Relative to price of goods and services in x country and x currency.

>Who dictates that?
The market, which includes you.

>I won't buy the faggotry of demand and offer
Ok but that's basically what it is, even when accounting for subsidies and manipulations by x people

>>62434029
>of 0.1XMR which is on the order if $10
You're anchoring again to USD.
>I do tend to think of things in terms of 0.1 xmr, right now $30 I assume.
And again same fallacy.
>I'll think in terms of XMR costs when it's actually on the price of goods, not before then like some pedantic agorist fucktard.
This. Thus, parallel economy not yet ready.

>>62435002
>>Who dictates that?
>The market, which includes you.
Market is too small to dictate it.

>>62434564
This
>>62434672
Based

>>62434564
>Tards just can't be serious when they tell people to just suck it up and lose purchasing power or work more just to get into the currency.
This
And
>it's time to actually make it take over general transactions.
We need to make XMR accepted more. That's literally what it takes.
We need sites to accept it. Especially as donation tool too and from privacy faggots
https://moneroshamelist.com/
Other than that, untill then, giftcards websites are okay-ish. But direct adoption from COMPANIES would be what it takes. Not from fucking xmrbazaar. Actual websites, selling companies etc.

>>62435422
Anon, do you truly think the jews will accept XMR as it stands?

>>62427734 this post > this post >>62427832

>>62435422
Surprised there's no xmr ebay.

>>62435678
You can make your own market (for drugs please)

>>62435193
>Thus, parallel economy not yet ready.
More like still in active development.

>Market is too small to dictate it.
I guess I should have specified

>The entire market of goods and services available across all countries in all currencies which includes you, whatever country you're in and whatever currency you're using

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>>62433930
I hope this helps.

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There are literally people with 100.000 XMR..

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>>62428799
Peter Schiff gets made fun of for missing the boat on Bitcoin, but I genuinely like how he's pretty nuanced about a lot of the functions of these things. This isn't the first time he's made comments like this, he seems to have a slightly positive opinion of Monero despite hating everything else..

>>62435590
I don't it should be forced by people.
We should all shill XMR everywhere. It's the only hope.
And people who own businesses start adopting.
I am doing my job fucking putting stickers everywhere in my cunt but I can do only so.

>>62436203
The jews can stay obnoxious than we can live. I believe it's best to build a parallel economy than trying to force big companies to accept XMR. I agree that new (especially small) businesses should be asked to accept XMR.

>>62427591
Monero is a better version of what bitcoin was supposed to be.

>>62435678
how would shipping work? Just PO boxes for everything?

I see two paths forward. They don't necessarily compete with one another (regardless of what one crazy anon here thinks), but they do have distinct prospects for success.

The "Word of Mouth" Path
>get a few coffee shops in Rio de Janeiro to accept XMR
>expect this to automatically scale to millions of coffee shops around the world because people REALLY care about buying their latte on a globally redundant private ledger
>in reality all you'll ever get is a few hundred SMALL businesses worldwide with literally zero power or influence on the world they fucking sell COFFEE
>????
>Monero just becomes the global currency because literally everyone in the world made a conscious decision to adopt it
>this definitely won't take 100+ years
>we have the time to wait for this
>global agorism drug/bake sale through VOLUNTARISM MANNNNNN

The Private Wealth/NGU Method
>push hard on the store of value and private wealth use case of Monero
>even if you can't buy a precious cookie down the street with it, it's incredibly useful to have your FUCKING NET WORTH in a private asset that cannot be discovered by anyone
>attract intelligent people, dissidents, even up to nationstates that need sanctions relief to hoard XMR
>the low supply of Monero causes the price to absolutely skyrocket as everyone realizes it's literally the only fucking safe haven in the world from the digital surveillance panopticon
>suddenly EVERYONE HERE is massively wealthy (of course, priced in relative purchasing power I would never ever EVER say that in USD)
>now that we have a bunch of completely private billionaires among us, we literally have the power to CAUSE change in the world.
>"Excuse me, Mr. President of Vanuatu (or whatever) if I pay you 100 XMR (which has an EXCHANGE RATE of $2 billion now) will you pass legislation guaranteeing that this list of Monero DEXes will forever be allowed to operate in your country?"

I can go on but my post is too long. Only ONE of these options is actually realistic.

Lmao you guys are skitzos

>>62438610
>Bro you totally won't build a parallel economy
>Anyway if you fund my bags lots of people will want to enter the economy because...

But whatever, let's go through it with a finer comb
>>get a few coffee shops in Rio de Janeiro to accept XMR
I won't fly to Brazil, I will comfily ask in my European country if small business are willing to take XMR
>>expect this to automatically scale to millions of coffee shops around the world because people REALLY care about buying their latte on a globally redundant private ledger
Yes
>>in reality all you'll ever get is a few hundred SMALL businesses worldwide with literally zero power or influence on the world they fucking sell COFFEE
Wrong, I will ask multiple businesses in different fields
>>Monero just becomes the global currency because literally everyone in the world made a conscious decision to adopt it
You can't really circumvent this if you want global adoption
>>this definitely won't take 100+ years
Nope
>>we have the time to wait for this
Not really but it won't take half as long as you think and it'll push your bags much more than you waiting for someone to enter for no reason at all
>>global agorism drug/bake sale through VOLUNTARISM MANNNNNN
Or maybe ask someone besides bakeries and drug lords?
>>62438610
>>push hard on the store of value and private wealth use case of Monero
To who? Normies who don't trust crypto or crypto bros which are already balls deep in their own crypto than they believe will moon? Neither will be interested as long as we're delisted. We will delisted for as long as we are private and anonymous.
>it's incredibly useful to have your FUCKING NET WORTH in a private asset that cannot be discovered by anyone
Except for the onboarding issues and no sov feature being there since it's not getting used. So while other cryptos climb XMR will stagnate at best (likely fall) and you'll own the same amount of XMR while your purchasing power both in XMR and fiat massively reduces.

>>62438610
>>attract intelligent people, dissidents, even up to nationstates that need sanctions relief to hoard XMR
Except that those people already have something or can't just use XMR because of the nature of their situation. If you also believed in the free market you'd believe that intelligent people would automatically come to XMR if it's the best crypto there is.
>>the low supply of Monero causes the price to absolutely skyrocket as everyone realizes it's literally the only fucking safe haven in the world from the digital surveillance panopticon
Oh right suddenly everyone cares enough about privacy to invest all of his money. We can't even get people off Facebook.
>>suddenly EVERYONE HERE is massively wealthy (of course, priced in relative purchasing power I would never ever EVER say that in USD)
And surely none of you would use this to dump your bags and go back to USD because that's not what you're after right?
>>now that we have a bunch of completely private billionaires among us, we literally have the power to CAUSE change in the world.
You think billions change the world? You can't feed an army on digital coins.
>>"Excuse me, Mr. President of Vanuatu (or whatever) if I pay you 100 XMR (which has an EXCHANGE RATE of $2 billion now) will you pass legislation guaranteeing that this list of Monero DEXes will forever be allowed to operate in your country?"
I'm sure the western states have absolutely no way to block all common connections to this shit of a state. Surely all of the normies will put up with this bs even though they currently are scared to use anything that isn't on binance.

Disingenuous moonfags should finally sit down and listen.

>>62438837
>You think billions change the world?
You’re a fed. There is no other explanation for this bullshit. Yes, if you didn’t notice, rich people run the world.

My possible mental models for you:
1) literally a 15 year old kid in high school hocked up on ideology
2) a 40 year old in Langley, VA wearing an alphabet agency badge
3) a 58 year old drug-addled caved in head retard living in some remote desert town where people barter with scrap metal for meth.

There is simply no way any serious person believes this. You genuinely need help if you’re not a fed. And if you are a fed go fuck yourself.

>>62439123
>Yes, if you didn’t notice, rich people run the world.
No, the people who run the world are rich. You won't suddenly un-jew the system because you got gorillions in the bank account.
>There is simply no way any serious person believes this.
You say as you claim a store of value can simply being forced into existence for a crypto currency that never gets used.

>>62439212
How did the USD come into widespread use? Did people collectively decide that it was the best most valuable piece of paper? Or did it get shoved down everyone’s throat by rich people in control of the government?

Sure, having a billion dollars isn’t going to change your DNA into a Jew, but right now you’re forced to defend the position that having a billion dollars WOULDNT significantly increase your power in the world. Which is fucking insane.

YOU ARE NOT A SERIOUS PERSON

>>62439454
Please talk to me again after you've won two world wars and destroyed the economic hub of the world just to build it up again with XMR

>>62439530
Your idea of success is literally the word of mouth worldwide bake sale.

You have no real plan.

>>62439657
Incorrect, however your idea is word of mouth sov with no use case.
If you had a plan it'd fail immediately.

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Glad I sparked a healthy conversation about how to improve XMR adoption instead of crying like bitches

>>62438610
Doing everyone a favor and removing the obvious moonfag bias

>The "Word of Mouth" Path
We give businesses a reason to accept XMR over stables, BTC-LN or any other crypto, keeping in mind that none of them give that many fucks about privacy (not leaking total holdings is cool but they're not about to try and get away with tax evasion).
>The Private Wealth/NGU Path
We give wealthy people a reason to at least include XMR in their portfolio, keeping in mind that none of them give that many fucks about privacy (not leaking total holdings of an asset is cool but they already have other ways of hiding assets)

>>62439899
>they already have other ways of hiding assets
I think this will rapidly stop being true soon. Most bank holdings are going to convert to some form of stablecoin in the next ~10 years which can be frozen and tracked much more easily than assets today.

>>62438610
>push hard on the store of value and private wealth use case of Monero
>it's incredibly useful to have your FUCKING NET WORTH in a private asset that cannot be discovered by anyone
Just stash your wealth into an asset class governments are actively trying to crush, bro. What's the worst that could happen?

>attract intelligent people, dissidents, even up to nationstates that need sanctions relief to hoard XMR
>the low supply of Monero causes the price to absolutely skyrocket as everyone realizes it's literally the only fucking safe haven in the world from the digital surveillance panopticon
>suddenly EVERYONE HERE is massively wealthy (of course, priced in relative purchasing power I would never ever EVER say that in USD)
>now that we have a bunch of completely private billionaires among us, we literally have the power to CAUSE change in the world.
>"Excuse me, Mr. President of Vanuatu (or whatever) if I pay you 100 XMR (which has an EXCHANGE RATE of $2 billion now) will you pass legislation guaranteeing that this list of Monero DEXes will forever be allowed to operate in your country?"
Mav desperately needs his bags pumped lmao

In b4 he denies it and insists he's a bona fide revolutionary. Fucking snake.

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A specter is haunting the modern world,
the specter of crypto anarchy

>>62439970
>He thinks the elites are storing their wealth in bank accounts

>>62439899
>We give wealthy people a reason to at least include XMR in their portfolio
You haven't thought this through objectively. Highly wealthy people simply do not need crypto as a wealth storage escape hatch because they already have privileged access to legal, institutionalized opacity and mobility inside the existing TradFi system.

They're rich enough to be able to employ an army of highly skilled accountants, tax lawyers and offshore wealth managers that can methodically structure assets through holding companies, trusts, private banks, etc in a way that lets them reduce taxes, move capital and preserve purchasing power without ever needing to exit the regulated financial system.

Not to mention the political power they wield, they can literally have laws passed that benefit them financially.

TL;DR: the wealthy elites will not be pumping your heavy bags. Learn to entrepreneur.

>>62440220
>he thinks all assets aren’t being tokenized

>>62440252
Literally ANYONE who is disfavored by the newly-incredibly-empowered political elite will need Monero.

Anyone who has any dissident opinions whatsoever is liable to have their assets seized. It doesn’t matter if you employ a bunch of accountants and lawyers if the judge already knows they’re supposed to rule against you.

This is of course assuming there is even a legal procedure at all. Stablecoins today bake in their terms somewhere over the 1000 pages that they can freeze you at will. Every tokenized asset will enable this soon.

ALL people who are disfavored by the (((powerful))) worldwide will need Monero to protect against asset forfeiture.

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>>62440356
>Literally ANYONE who is disfavored by the newly-incredibly-empowered political elite will need Monero.

>Anyone who has any dissident opinions whatsoever is liable to have their assets seized. It doesn’t matter if you employ a bunch of accountants and lawyers if the judge already knows they’re supposed to rule against you.

>This is of course assuming there is even a legal procedure at all. Stablecoins today bake in their terms somewhere over the 1000 pages that they can freeze you at will. Every tokenized asset will enable this soon.

>ALL people who are disfavored by the (((powerful))) worldwide will need Monero to protect against asset forfeiture.
The vast majority of humans on the planet are compliant sheeple that will never dissent and therefore will never suffer such consequences.

Nobody is coming to pump your bags. XMR entrepreneurs will prosper, baggies will morph into pink wojaks.

>>62440252
>You haven't thought this through objectively.
Yes I did

>They're rich enough to be able to employ an army of highly skilled accountants, tax lawyers and offshore wealth managers that can methodically structure assets through holding companies, trusts, private banks, etc in a way that lets them reduce taxes, move capital and preserve purchasing power without ever needing to exit the regulated financial system.
This all sounds expensive and complex enough to look into ways to cut costs and reduce risk by using XMR to provide the level of opacity and security needed by the elite

>Not to mention the political power they wield, they can literally have laws passed that benefit them financially
Which means they can have laws that allow investing in certain assets as long as you have a net worth above xyz, like they already do.

>TL;DR: the wealthy elites will not be pumping your heavy bags. Learn to entrepreneur.
The vast majority of wealthy elites became what they are by being entrepreneurs.
No, it doesn't matter how honest they were with their entrepreneurship to get where they are.

>>62440558
>>You haven't thought this through objectively.
>Yes I did
Evidently not.

>This all sounds expensive and complex enough to look into ways to cut costs and reduce risk by using XMR to provide the level of opacity and security needed by the elite
lol they're rich, they can easily afford it + the complexity is a feature, not a bug. The point is that by remaining in TradFi they can liquidate their holdings back into their default bank account with relative ease at any time. And then pay their bills and go shopping for expensive shiny things.

XMR will almost certainly be fully delisted in future, which effectively kills its mainstream SoV usecase since seamlessly converting back to a bank account balance becomes implausible at that point. Could still be used as a SoV by bank-averse agorists/cypherpunks but they will always remain a minority demographic.

>Which means they can have laws that allow investing in certain assets as long as you have a net worth above xyz, like they already do.
But they don't need to do that, what they already have is clearly working fine for them. If it ain't broke....

Bottom line is: rich folks don't need XMR/crypto in order to maintain and preserve their wealth, no matter how badly you want them to need it. The ZECfags are also pushing the same delusional narrative and it'll end up disappointing them as well.

>>62440780
>I'm going to continue to ignore the impending tokenization/surveillance of everything and/or make up the idea that 99% of wealth is held by rich people and they’re all exempt from surveillance
Only the highest elites will be exempt. Even with extreme wealth inequality of the modern world, it will still be true that the majority of wealth will be surveilled wealth.

Monero is inevitable as a SoV as it is the only private asset accessible to everyone.

you cannot store value
all value is dynamic

>>62440848
>Only the highest elites will be exempt. Even with extreme wealth inequality of the modern world, it will still be true that the majority of wealth will be surveilled wealth.
Surveilled wealth has not proven to be a serious obstacle for people whose income and spending remain lawful and institutionally legible. If someone earns money through recognized channels and spends it on ordinary goods, property, investments, travel, woteva, financial surveillance is mostly just a administrative friction rather than a credible threat to their purchasing power.

This is especially true for affluent people whose wealth already sits inside banks, brokerages, trusts and the like. The system monitors them, sure, but it also provides custody, liquidity, credit and access to major markets. Surveillance becomes an issue only when financial/economic activity is criminal-tier or otherwise non-compliant.

It's just like how communications surveillance has never proven to be an issue for non-cypherpunks. People simply don't care until it inconveniences them.

So unless governments plan to make shopping on Amazon and paying your bills illegal, wealth surveillance will continue being a non-issue for the vast majority of the populace.

>Monero is inevitable as a SoV as it is the only private asset accessible to everyone.

>universally delisted
>accessible to everyone.
kek. Your insistence doesn't make it any more plausible.

>>62440780
>Bottom line is: rich folks don't need XMR/crypto in order to maintain and preserve their wealth, no matter how badly you want them to need it
They don't need diamonds, gold, or artwork either.

>>62440972
>They don't need diamonds, gold, or artwork either.
Jewelry and artwork can be appreciated for their own sake.

>>62440958
>Surveillance becomes an issue only when financial/economic activity is criminal-tier or otherwise non-compliant.
So you're literally here saying XMR is only for criminals, and you're not a fed?

>>62441011
>So you're literally here saying XMR is only for criminals, and you're not a fed?
No, I'm pointing out how the vast majority of people who are *legally* earning and spending have simply never been bothered about their finances (and communications) being subject to surveillance.

You can call me a fed all you like, it won't change that objective reality.

>>62440848
>it will still be true that the majority of wealth will be surveilled wealth.
Why would the ones who can buy themselves out of every court care about being surveilled? Ever wonder why so many elites willingly had their photo taken at the island? It's because they live in a world in which everyone has dirt on everyone else, so if you try to exit the system they'll simply smear you first.

>>62441064
Do you just not know or care about AI? Do you not see what is coming with tokenization? Do you not understand that the War in Iran is a seismic change in the post-WW2 world order?

If you're in a Western country, you're accelerating into the downfall of a civilization completely controlled by (((Them))). You know what they do when a society is falling. You've read your history, yes? You know what happened in the Soviet Union, the Bolsheviks etc.

You're literally in the downfall of a controlled civilization with genocidal maniacs in charge who now have the complete ability to decide when, where, why, how and for what you're allowed to use your money.

Rub your fucking brain cells together and try to get a bearing on the state of things.

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>>62441148
>The sky is falling and the only way to save yourselves is by buying my bags.

>>62440958
>Surveillance becomes an issue only when financial/economic activity is criminal-tier or otherwise non-compliant.

>Implying the elite don't engage in financial/economic activity that is criminal-tier or otherwise non-compliant

>>62440972
But unique encrypted packets sent over the Internet can't?

>>62441197
>But unique encrypted packets sent over the Internet can't?
Meant for>>62441006

>>62441197
>>Implying the elite don't engage in financial/economic activity that is criminal-tier or otherwise non-compliant
The point is that those that do know how to not get caught. Or only get a slap on the wrist.
>But unique encrypted packets sent over the Internet can't?
You're saying that a crypto TX is comparable to the Mona Lisa?

when number go up

>>62441231
>You're saying that a crypto TX is comparable to the Mona Lisa?
Can you actually make an argument about why it’s worth continuing to talk to you when you just strawman literally everything people say? I really wish you would just start tripfagging so you could be easily muted.

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>>62441403
>when you just strawman literally everything people say
Homie invoked artwork first, you insufferable dimwit. Pay more attention.

>>62441490
Do you want help brainstorming your tripcode? Probably something to do with agorism, bake sales, opposing price increases…..”KeepXMRniche” maybe?

>>62441598
Can you tell us why the elites should switch from the system in which they are successful to a system where they can't guarantee to be successful?

>>62441231
>You're saying that a crypto TX is comparable to the Mona Lisa?
I'm saying it's all psychology. It's up to the individual to decide what can or can't be appreciated for it's own sake.

>>62441623
I never said elites would switch. I have been clear this entire time that TRUE elites are exempt. However, everyone below that (>50% of global wealth) will soon have significant incentives to have at least a share of their portfolio in assets that cannot be arbitrarily shut off for ever-evolving reasons.

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>>62441779
>However, everyone below that (>50% of global wealth) will soon have significant incentives to have at least a share of their portfolio in assets that cannot be arbitrarily shut off for ever-evolving reasons.
kek I love how you confidently claim grandiose future outcomes without any coherent reasoning just like every other crypto grifter posting retarded price predictions on Twitter.

Go on then, Nostradamus, list these "significant incentives". Explain which existing normie spending/saving patterns will apparently become so problematic in future that they will literally all be forced to figure out how to DEX and acquire XMR.

Is it shopping on Amazon? Paying their bills? Wiring funds to other KYC'd bank accounts? Buying property/investing with funds they acquired legally and paid taxes on? Hmmmm? Which of these will ZOG begin cracking down on first?

>>62441779
>However, everyone below that (>50% of global wealth) will soon have significant incentives to have at least a share of their portfolio in assets that cannot be arbitrarily shut off for ever-evolving reasons.
You mean the normies that already got many incentives, don't care about privacy and are scared about delisted coins? Why would they join a coin that never gets used anywhere except for bake sales and drug markets (according to you)? What good is a sov if the bags are only pumped once by said normies?
They don't know. If they knew they still wouldn't care. If they cared it'd still be too inconvenient for them. If it was convenient enough we'd just get persecuted harder. If we didn't get persecuted hard enough there still would be no reason to use XMR since no one accepts it.

>>62441877
>Which of these will ZOG begin cracking down on first?
Literally any and all of them at the same time. The control nexus is on the money itself, not specific apps / companies / transaction types. You can now be monetarily un-personed, meaning your money can’t be used at ANY of these places.

Ask yourself why they are implementing these features (tokenization, worldwide tracking, programmable money) if they didn’t intend to use them. They’ll literally have the power to turn off the MONEY of everyone who ever says something antisemetic. You are just being intentionally ignorant if you pretend that this doesn’t make Monero significantly more attractive and important.

>>62442580
As expected, yet more nonsense. Governments have no good reason to fuck with compliant financial traffic considering it is the very lifeblood of the tax base. Lawful payments, banking activity, payroll, investment flows and obviously consumer spending are clearly financially beneficial for the state since they generate VAT/sales tax, income tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, customs duties, licensing fees, banking fees.................

Fucking with such flows on a grand scale simply to pwn the wokies therefore makes no sense since all that would be achieved is:

-reduced revenue collection
-reduced business confidence
-reduced employment
-reduced administrative capacity

Conversely, more compliant financial traffic means more measurable economic output, more fee collection, more tax revenue, more monetary policy visibility, more institutional control. That is precisely why governments prefer people to transact inside TradFi, the system both services the economy and makes it administratively accessible.

And even if they do start financially penalizing dissidents, the number of people impacted will overall still remain negligible due to the cold harsh fact that, as previously mentioned, the vast majority of humans on the planet are compliant sheeple that will never dissent and therefore will never suffer such consequences.

Nobody is coming to pump your heavy bags. The only demand for XMR that can *realistically* be expected at scale is demand related to growing underground/unregulated P2P commerce. You hate this fact because it ruins your utterly delusional get-rich-quick fantasy but it remains true nonetheless.

Learn 2 entrepreneur or get left behind.

>>62442835
>no good reason to fuck with compliant financial traffic
You are contradicting yourself. You knew a few days back that the Jews control the west, now you retreat back into economic theory.

To them, there is no “compliant financial traffic” among a citizen base that doesn’t listen to them. No tax, levy, customs whatever is more important than having a complaint POPULATION that lets them do whatever they want like genocide Gaza. They’ve lost the PR battle here, and the US lost the war in Iran. Two major losses.

The very fact that the entire left has turned against them means the country is destroyed. America no longer operates as a dutiful proxy for Israel, which necessitates the harsher policies you’re seeing like the Israeli army integration with the Pentagon and the takeover of CBS/CNN. The rulers of the country care about control over the population, and they’re losing it rhetorically, requiring a harder form of control. This will also occur with the new financial powers created by tokenization.

This entire libertarian analysis of a state as just financially interested is fucking retarded and, again, contradicts with what you were saying earlier.

>learn 2 entrepreneur
That is literally off topic. It has nothing to do with XMR General. Go to /entrepreneurship/.

xmr $10k+ eventually
The ultimate destination for capital fleeing late-stage statism

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>>62442955
>You knew a few days back that the Jews control the west
lol what on earth gave you that idea? The ZOG comment? I was being sarcastic, brah, I don't actually share your unending obsession with da j00z, although I do find the memes hilarious.

btw, in case you weren't aware, a lot of the tech underlying modern cryptography was developed by members of da Tribe. The RSA public-key encryption algorithm that you unknowingly use literally every single day?

R = Rivest, Ron
S = Shamir, Adi
A = Adleman, Leonard

How scary is that?! Not to mention ZKP tech, that shit is absolutely rife with hook-nosed Israeli kikes. Avoid at all costs.

Also, the dev currently implementing FCMP++ is a dirty heeb, why aren't we calling him out on it?! What are the odds he isn't undercover Mossad? Are we really willing to take that risk? Just imagine all the vulnerabilities he's slyly introducing, you know what these people are like.

>>62443458
Ok?

>>62443458
>I was being sarcastic, brah
>brah
You’re embarrassing yourself.

>>62443771
>You’re embarrassing yourself.
Oy gevalt!

Recap of the discussion so far minus the fed/jew accusations and cringe

The grey/black market e-commerce path
>Not delusional
>Renamed from "The "Word of Mouth" Path"
>Rellies on the idea that the amount of people who will jump through the hoops of buying/selling XMR to have the privilege of buying/selling toiletries at a 10% markup will grow
>Instead of just sticking with cash and credit/debit cards like regular entrepreneurs
>No explanation as to how this is supposed to happen

The Private Wealth/SoV Path
>Not delusional
>Renamed from "The Private Wealth/NGU Path"
>Rellies on the idea that the amount of people who will jump through the hoops of buying XMR to have the privilege of doing what they could do with gold, artwork, or limited edition sneakers, will grow
>The higher up the wealth curve, the less likely people will do this
>No explanation as to how this is supposed to happen

>>62444327
Honestly very fair recap. Personally I think it much more likely to reduce the markup with a growing economy but it's true that we have no guaranteed plan for either strategy.

>>62444327
North Korea mines Monero to evade sanctions. What do you mean we have no explanation for how this is supposed to happen?

Monero is digital, (largely) liquid, and more private than gold, artwork etc because you can trade it without ever leaving your house. The people who need to move wealth quickly, privately and without any physical representation in the world need Monero. At the speed of finance today and with the increasing encroachment of tokenized terms of service on your assets this obviously means XMR becomes a major factor.

No adoption by a few grocery stores in Switzerland will ever do that.

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Guys. The price is doing something.
Praise North Korea.

>>62445142
>North Korea mines Monero to evade sanctions
This is kinda my point. The vast majority of the population is not under the same pressures as North Korea, so there's less incentive to use XMR regardless of their purpose. It does serve as a proof of concept though: some party will use XMR as a MoE/SoV, some party will provide liquidity to make that possible, and some other party is willing to act as the middleman to facilitate these trades. They just need the incentive to motivate them to do so.

>What do you mean we have no explanation for how this is supposed to happen?
What incentives are supposed to motivate the average (read: law abiding folks that aren't under sanctions) MoE/SoV users, liquidity providers, and middlemen of the world to use XMR for their purposes?

>>62444327
The SoV thing is a meme, value is subjective.
People only act when they feel like they're threatened, and if you told them that their wealth is safer in Monero than in whatever normalfag "SoV" I don't think even 1% would really listen, they feel like it's more dangerous to put all their shit in some "crypto thing" instead of gold.

I think it depends more on fiat shitting the bed even more until people start feeling like they have to move. When you really think about it, it's hard to come up with very good plans to convince NORMALFAGS to adopt Monero right now.

>>62445500
>The vast majority of the population is not under the same pressures as North Korea
Half the world hates Israel's guts and opposes everything that the United States does on behalf of them. We are moving toward a multipolar world where Russia, China, etc are meaningfully independent of America-Israel.

You don't think that will lead to a heavier sanctions regime? You don't think that opens up major avenues of underground commerce where these separate spheres need to use untraceable electronic assets to deal with the West?

>(read: law abiding folks that aren't under sanctions)
Again, being anti-semitic is a sanctionable offense. Half the world is guilty of this horrible offense. The United States is moving toward adopting a hostile stance against anyone who criticizes Israel.

What is difficult to understand here? The idea of being "law abiding" is going to take a dramatically different definition soon. It will be fundamentally politically DESCRIPTIVE. You *have* to support Israel to be law abiding. Understand? And they now have the technology to enforce that.

A separate point but I actually care very little about "law abiding folks" which I take euphemistically to mean "average people". We are talking nationstates, major cartels, major hacks, major insitutions.

The "institutional adoption" (for the counter-semitic world) that was supposed to happen for Bitcoin will occur with Monero. At least to a significant percentage to be meaningful to its market cap. This part can also be a reply to >>62445521

>>62443386
>The ultimate destination for capital fleeing late-stage statism
I agree, at least as far as crypto valuations go. These coins are all gonna die eventually, makes sense to swap for XMR before you lose everything.

More upside than BTC. Any flaws in my logic?

I love XMR

>>62427591
Based Schiff found his exit once globalhomo economics accelerates

>>62445521
>People only act when they feel like they're threatened
Or when there's a tangible benefit
>it's hard to come up with very good plans to convince NORMALFAGS to adopt Monero right now.
I don't think it needs to be that good. Just good enough to convince the once that already accept crypto to accept or switch to

>>62445649
>Any flaws in my logic?
The market can stay irrational longer than any of us anticipate

>>62445550
I'm not saying I don't see it. I'm saying all we can really do about it is make XMR easier to buy, even if it's just a bunch of anons setting up p2p trading tents at their local flea markets.

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loaded up during the 290-305 zone and now im spending at 330
does it get any better than this ?

>>62446706
I mean. With the fees and swap costs etc
Do you even have any actual gain?

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>>62448200
I just swapped ltc for xmr with trocador and the fees were minimal.

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>>62448200
i buy via kraken, fee is $0.25
but even if i didnt, fee is minimal(1-2%) with trocador/ltc as another anon said

>>62449478
>ltc
I assume you bought LTC from a CEX. That already cuts some $ of fees from Kraken/Coinbase shit

>>62431634
That's cool, untraceable, say I'd like to buy some of this here crypto, would I have to disclose my ID, phone number and proof of address

>>62427591
retard here. I have only ever used xmr for illicit purposes but am strongly considering just going all in, as its the only crypto with a real usecase. the only thing is, i am in the uk - is there anyway to even cash out

>>62450203
No. There is multiple decentralised exchanges like haveno.
Or you buy another coin on a regular exchange and swap it for xmr but that'd require an id at least for the purchase of the other coin.

>>62450238
Yeah same as any other coin. XMR gives you the option to hide cashing out from the tax man though.

>>62450297
how? understand if you dont want to divulge I will try to do more research

>>62450238
Yes by doing the opposite of what you did to buy it.
>Swap back to whatever crypto you used to buy it
>Sell back on the exchange you bought it from
>Etc
There's also gift cards you can buy from various websites
Cakepay.com
Coincards.com
Xmr.cards

I'm Satoshi

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>>62450412
>sell p2p for cash
haveno / open monero
>buy stuff
get debit cards like anon above me said
xmrbazaar.com - buy shit
peershop.app - buy amazon stuff

>same arguments/thread 5 years in a row

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>>62451052
same great product

>>62451052
It's because the feds keep tabs here and shout down any SoV/NGU discussion

I've been following weev on nostr. He has good posts concerning XMR.

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>>62452271
May we see them?

>>62452276
https://njump.to/nevent1qqsvw4qsc8ca3a7pjzlzjaf4lvvj9h68an9wg4pch6e956t64npyv3qpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsygrkwtpemk9vv8ck55hcz4utl67mt7x8p0z6wfmk2644hfnmkkg0tqpsgqqqqqqs5k5vkq

I use the amethyst client on android for reading nostr posts.

>>62451470
>The feds hate this thing to transfer wealth
>Because we can use it to store wealth
Anon...

>>62452315
Poor Mav is eternally butthurt. Makes for some spicy copypasta though.

>Monero is the crypto equivalent of the sovereign citizen movement and we are all being left in the fucking dust. How can you be so ignorant?

>Where are the whales manipulating the price higher? Where are the chads fighting the Jews shorting us? There are MAYBE 10 decent Twitter accounts trying to fight the entire horde of zcash paid shills.

>If this was a real movement don’t you think you would be surrounded by better people? I look around and apart from literally one the MRL, the only people I see are cringe anarchist/lolbertarian fags/people worshipping this made up crap called agorism.

>In ANY OTHER CONTEXT these people would be easily ignorable, obvious cringe losers. But Monero had some compelling arguments and good points about other privacy coins being shit, so it seemed worth turning over the stone and seeing what was on the other side.

>What was on the other side? Cringe faggots who will happily stay poor forever as long as they don’t violate some economic principle they invented in their head. Fucking LOSER behavior.

>>62452368
He fits right in on twitter

>In ANY OTHER CONTEXT these people would be easily ignorable, obvious cringe losers. But Monero had some compelling arguments and good points about other privacy coins being shit, so it seemed worth turning over the stone and seeing what was on the other side.

>What was on the other side? Cringe faggots who will happily stay poor forever as long as they don’t violate some economic principle they invented in their head. Fucking LOSER behavior.

If it meant the downfall of the system I'd gladly be poor all my life but Monero has obviously proven itself as a viable tool against the system

These people expose themselves when all they talk about is thr price point. I'll gladly take their money to pump my bags but what I am really here for is the downfall of the entire global banking system.

>>62452290
I think this one's funny: https://njump.me/nevent1qqsdrddjc553uqgych73ys4mk9gj6k7dzsqkjrxzlzyagg58t9lq43qpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtc60tgfd

I just swapped all my XMR into ltc since it obviously just bottomed out..I intend to convert back to XMR once I've taken a bit of profit.
Rate my trade

>>62452428
>If it meant the downfall of the system I'd gladly be poor all my life but Monero has obviously proven itself as a viable tool against the system
This isn't an "either or" proposition, you can absolutely profit from the revolution by being adequately productive and providing value. As the revolution picks up steam and curious outsiders enter the economy, it'll grow accordingly and so should your cut.

>These people expose themselves when all they talk about is thr price point.
Larpers, plain and simple.

>>62452871
what was it

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>>62452885

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How do you monetize having this BALL knowledge of a gem like Monero?

I was convincing a more wealthy friend of mine today to really take XMR serious and he was very intrigued and I also discussed if telling people about it can be considered a monetizable service, which was difficult to pinpoint. He mentioned it would probably work if you just promise someone a 7% yearly interest on their investment without them knowing it's going into XMR, instead of my whole TED talk about freedom, history of money, CBDC etc.

What do you guys think?
>information-service/consulting
or
>generic investment business

>>62452957
It is kinda easy to swing trade a 7% profit on XMR. Doing the same thing in an official capacity with taxes and everything? Kinds tough.

>>62452886
tf the jannies doing ?

>>62452957
>How do you monetize having this BALL knowledge of a gem like Monero?
easy
>buy oz of Ket for $500(alternative oz of coke for 650)
>sell by the G or 8ball
>repeat

>>62453428
nothing the first picture was broken

FCMP status?

>>62453434
>Tell investors that the 7% return is from a series of proprietary AI powered MEV bots
>Use investor funds to buy more Ket

I'm Satoshi

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Our issue is where xmr is placed in these normie iceberg memes.
We are seen as an obscure shady schizoid shit

>>62454289
It's not deep enough

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>>62452980
Yeah with all the regulation or taxes in place it would 0 sense. Which is why I think you would basically need to sell a mission and the principles of freedom, privacy and other cypherpunk ethos

Extremely valuable for high net worth individuals who most likely also see the government and taxation encroachment. But which service could you provide? An on-ramp for their own self custody wallet? Otherwise im gonna need to max out credit cards for XMR

>>62453434
I would consume everything myself

Good news: the X9 is cancelled. No refunds
https://coinbuzznow.com/news/bitmain-discontinues-x9-crypto-unit/

Billions must pay their taxes

Billions must become ungovernable

>>62454111
Literally can't go tits up
>>62454548
Kek it gets old but you can sell 1/3 for double what you paid an still do the rest

>>62454548
>Extremely valuable for high net worth individuals who most likely also see the government and taxation encroachment.
As previously mentioned, you're not going to get very far selling XMR as a SoV to high rollers (or pretty much anybody else) if you cannot credibly demonstrate how easy liquidating their XMR holdings back to spendable fiat is going to be. Because that's only going to become more difficult as the crackdown on Monero intensifies.

Monero as a MoE for grey markets is a much easier sell because no conversion is necessary and the user receives a valuable good or service in the end rather than a standard issue Trust Me, Bro.

>>62457336
>if you cannot credibly demonstrate how easy liquidating their XMR holdings back to spendable fiat is going to be
Sounds like there's going to be a business opportunity for someone willing to help liquidate XMR for fiat, as well as sites like shoppinbit

>>62454289
You know the saying. All publicity is good publicity.

How do you get monero off an exchange directly now that they’re removing it from every country (soon)?

>>62459363
99% of the time they'll let you withdraw, but not buy or sell. The 1% is where the CEX is seized by the feds (tradeogre)

Is it really as easy to launder money/tax evade with monero as I think it is? you can just feed money into a crypto atm buy any coin > xmr and your cash is now invisible?

>>62459771
Well, yes, but they can just look at your earnings and say you didn't pay the tax. You'd have to get paid in XMR to completely evade taxes

>>62459771
Depends on how dumb you are with it. If you have some small shop that suddenly is making millions a month in XMR transactions they'll still catch on. Monero is a black box but that won't make your entire opsec immune.

>>62450297
I buy my coins at bitcoin atms, I get raped by fees but they only require a (fake) number, no ID

>>62454289
agree with >>62454507
It needs another deeper layer of the iceberg where everything is blacked out and redacted

Thoughts on news suggesting tracking of Monero in Norway? https://cryptobriefing.com/norway-arrests-monero-dark-web-crackdown/

>>62463368
>The agency has not disclosed exactly how those methods work, which is deliberate
This is almost always coded to mean
>We watched "Breaking Monero"
>We read publicly available analysis on fhe weaknesses of ring signatures
And never a new sekrit tekneeeq for tracing Monero

>>62463368
There's not much to go off of here, obviously they won't disclose their zero-day. Maybe its network attacks, EAE, Janus
Or possibly they uncovered the criminal nerwork through other means and are pretending to have a monero vuln to scare off people from using it.
I wonder if it is possible for us to run our own honeypots to detect vulnerabilities in monero's privacy.
In any case FCMP++ will prevent EAE attacks, so we may know in the future that it's EAE if it stops working.

>>62463368
Sounds to me like they hacked the site they used.

I love sipping my coffee in the morning.
Looking at my FAT Monero stack.
Having absolutely ZERO intention of buying anything with it.
Zero intention of “earning” more income.
Just holding. Privately. Looking at the chart.
Knowing full well that my invisible pile of Monero gold will be worth tens of millions someday, as priced in Federal Reserve Notes of the United States of America (“USD” (“$”)).

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>>62463541
Based
This read like scripture

>>62463368
Here's the telling part:

>Kripos said that in 2025 it had developed a method to trace the use of the cryptocurrency in specific cases.

"In specific cases" means this method isn't generally applicable to any random XMR transaction and implies some kind of fundamental OPSEC failure is at play here.

My guess is that this was a classic correlation attack that involves hacked servers, KYC'd exchanges and coin swaps. Buying and converting a specific amount of BTC/LTC/whatever into XMR within a specific timeframe can ID you without the chain itself being cracked, even a coin with 100% perfect on-chain privacy won't protect you from sufficiently sloppy OPSEC.

We've already had similar cases where Monero was allegedly "traced" but it turned out that it actually wasn't and that sloppy OPSEC was responsible. These kinds of attacks are much more likely to work when you're dealing with incidental normie users e.g. horny middle-age pedo dads who otherwise never use crypto and so are utterly clueless about basic OPSEC dos and don'ts.

Anyway, note how there haven't been any other comparable busts, very telling.

The lesson: never use CEXs or KYC'd platforms. Never purchase unique, unrounded amounts. Never swap immediately after purchasing. Don't be a sick pedo fuck.

>>62463541
BASED. Keep stacking! I'm trying to be like you, with a fat stack. I do buy some work supplies with my stack when the prices is unusually high though. It's been nothing but profits all year

https://kosher.cash/

I chuckled

>>62463541
lol monero isn't going up in value. YES it's widely utilized in DNM - and as such traders WANT it to be somewhere stable. The dark net is more than happy for ZEC to take the heat as the ascendant "privacy coin" of no action utilisation. But the kid fuckers and drug abusers who make up the vast, vast majority of moneros actual users have no interest whatsoever in the price increasing

>>62466538
>people don't want money

>>62466538
Is there genuinely 0 quality control at the israeli shill farms? Or it this low quality bait from a Monero bro

>>62466538
>lol monero isn't going up in value.
>monero is exempt from the law of supply and demand
>im going to post this in xmr general on /biz/
It’s such a bizarre way of shilling. Do you expect people to believe this?

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>>62466538
>lol monero isn't going up in value

>>62466538
>kid fuckers and drug abusers who make up the vast, vast majority of moneros actual users
source? i didnt know we had a list of monero users available
>https://localmonero.co/blocks/richlist

>>62466537
lmao

>ZEC at 500+ even with confirmed untraceable infinite inflation bugs
It's Monerover isn't it.

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I don't think about ZEC at all

>>62469936
nice but the logo fading
>no good
>>62471379
true

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If monero moons one day to 100k how are we supposed to liquidate it and not get raped by coin swap fees?

>>62471903
it will never moon. rich people don't want to invest
https://youtu.be/OUGuVyQARFA

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>>62472355
this is non sense. yea if you have lots of monero you buy some business outside the EU. and spend the gains in the EU if you want. this guy is just selling something his stuff.
-An average European Union adult carries about $65 to $100 in physical wallet cash, and holds approximately $10,000 to $16,000 in bank deposits and accessible savings. in America is even less. for those small amounts none of this dudes grift matters. Just that XMR beats inflation and that it cant be stolen if we will have to run to asia or atlanitis or what not. go to tahiland sell 4000$ worth of monero and no one cares.
If your a crime lord or some other kid of satanist I don't care for your troubles. Also your video demonstrate how monero is good even for satanist with a lot of money. so how did you conclude that people will not buy it.
it is better to keep xmr or reinvest it into silver and stocks and just rent anyway that buy house for monero which solves the 100k monero question with land.

>>62472619
>Writes about Christianity
>By mostly using non-Christian sources and just making up stuff about some animals being part of the Devil
Jung is so deluded

>>62472648
>making up stuff about some animals
The stars/zodiac/ Sun/ monn and the freqencies of their twinkling and deep rooted subconcious archtipes are made up. When the sun is up its day by accident and when the sun is down its night by accident, just made up right?
Shit, thank goodness your so smart and watch nasa stuff. You will be able to buy a rocket out of this sol trap system and have cat lyrian girls on saturns moons once your bitcoin reaches 6 million usd.
I call nigger like you coincidence theorists. Slava ukraini am I righ trans bro.

>>62472675
>deep rooted subconcious archtipes
Yes, he just reduced folk tales and stories he knew of down to a point that they seem like there's a coherent string of thought. That's the power of abstraction. However, abstraction without a system is like surgery without any anatomical knowledge - butchering.
>When the sun is up its day by accident and when the sun is down its night by accident, just made up right?
No, it was made in this order by Christ whose teachings clearly don't align with what Jung is teaching.

>>62472355
I watched that whole shitty presentation and I have no idea what the fucking “loophole” is or why I should be risking my life/money interacting with Colombians who could unpredictably kill or steal from me. How is that an off ramp solution? If carbon credits basically just amount to “ingratiate yourself to local politicians and they’ll give you money” why wouldn’t I do that with a white politician in a country I actually understand? Guy is fucking retarded thanks for sharing

>>62472619
>>62472675
I for one welcome our new schizophrenic visitors. They’re usually a good leading indicator I think?

>>62471903
p2p, fuck a middle man swap service
also hopefully by that time serai will be coming out of beta to easily swap between monero/btc/eth

I'm Satoshi

>>62466537
>MADE BY XMRHub.org
Monero has the big dick energy

>>62471903
Dex have reasonable swap fees. The more liquidity, the less fees in general.
Reminder that Thorswap integrated monero a few month ago.

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>>62477157
has any anon here tried that yet?
havent looked into it since i took this screenshot after it was announced

>>62477157
I'm talking 6+ figures worth of it. Can you swap that kind of volume?

>>62477187
Its not live, but will be Soon™

Is there really so much demand for xmr<->shitcoin swaps?

>>62478270
not like there used to be, shitcoin hype is dead.
there always the be plenty liquidity for eth-xmr swaps which can get you to any shitcoin you please

>>62477501
>Can you swap that kind of volume?
On thorchain? Yes.

>KelpDAO Hacker Launders $175M ETH Into BTC via THORChain
https://coincentral.com/kelpdao-hacker-launders-175m-eth-into-btc-via-thorchain/

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Banking jews cranking up the heat

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>>62477501
at the moment
retoswap has buy offers selling xmr for btc up to 6 figures
fiat in the mail, largest i see is $12k at a time, picrel

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>>62480832
I have a kraken acc and have not gotten this warning.
I checked support page and my personal limits page and its still unlimited deposits, 500k max withdraw
maybe this is for newer accounts idk

Zcash posting on Twitter like they’re entertaining the idea of eliminating the transparent pool.

They’re pulling out all the stops against Monero now. This is the last major card they can play. They will try to have exchanges implement mandatory view keys to have only private pool transactions.

You can see the marketing now. “Just as private as Monero” “it’s not optional privacy anymore that’s FUD”

The ZEC is likely to stay on exchanges forever and never be spent. The whole point is to just sell idiots the idea of privacy while never taking advantage of it and having perfect tax reporting and auditing suspicious transactions with kyc of accounts.

Just letting you all know the Jews next move

>>62482760
Are devs posting about this or just crypto 'influencers'?

What The F! Zcash is nearing double our price.
What’s up with that!

>>62483401
People pretending to be “just analyzing things — we don’t need the transparent pool guys!” are being retweeted by the official account and that cyph company

>>62483547
Hm I expected the jews to perform another attempt at a 51% attack first...

>>62483547
Expanding on this, I actually think it’s a preemptive move to make the shielded pool LESS private.

Exchanges would require view keys from all zec holders, which is where 99% of volume happens. So exchanges will literally have view keys for 99% of all zec. The coins will never leave the exchange now (the only reason they ever did was to enter the private pool).

If they kept the transparent pool, you could keep zec on exchanges without forcing people to hand over their view keys. It actually feels like zcash is being asked by regulators to eliminate the transparent pool so that they have a reason to demand view keys from literally everyone. Watch whether zec ever promotes a DEX: they won’t.

Sneaky move that will let them market as a true privacy coin.

I'm Satoshi

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>>62483871
>I'm Satoshi
Are ya now?

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>>62482760
>Zcash posting on Twitter like they’re entertaining the idea of eliminating the transparent pool.
lol they've been saying this for years now. All talk, no action. Wake me up when they commit to a timeline.

From what I've seen most z-trannies are pro t-addresses because they keep ZEC compliant/neutered and therefore safe for CEXs.

Can't have it both ways tho, ZEC will inevitably get the Monero treatment if becomes similarly problematic. And being problematic is the only way to accrue street cred. Even if they did ditch t-addresses, ZEC would still be "that 'privacy' coin with a CEO who consorts with 3-letter agencies and brags about how criminals won't touch it".

>>62483501
>What The F! Zcash is nearing double our price.
>What’s up with that!
Same as always: market manipulation and fomotardation, its not like ZEC actually has sustainable organic demand. It pumps and dumps like clockwork.

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monero only forever

pay your taxes

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>>62443458
>With j00z u lose
I've had good experiences with them. I've 4x my money with my local Jewish independent banker owner in the past. He said I was a good shabbos goy.

>>62490085
nu uh

We need to grow network effects. As much and as soon as possible.

More businesses
More miners, hashpower
More nodes
More holders
More people

The competition isn’t ZEC or even BTC. It’s attention. It’s AI. It’s people getting pulled in a million different directions.

The world must know about Monero and unironically Twitter is a great place to spread the word. Like it or not people like Mav grow the brand and the word of mouth of XMR.

If you have nothing else to give, give your attention, your words, and spread it as far as you can.

>>62494149
>Like it or not people like Mav grow the brand and the word of mouth of XMR.
Uh, no. Moonfag Mav is just another crypto larper that puts personal enrichment ahead of the revolution. One of those wolves in sheep's clothing that will run his mouth all day about "muh freedom, muh sovereignty" while also feeling it necessary to constantly bash you over the head with "[COIN] is totally a $X million coin, don't miss out on getting filthy rich with me!"

He also happens to be genuinely stupid, like seriously. The dumbfuck spends half his time posting nasty /pol/ memes and then ends up complaining how nobody wants to sponsor him. Any nazi with an IQ above room temp knows to keep their spicy opinions to themselves when seeking normie-tier sponsors.

And have you seen his videos? This dipshit's idea of "growing the brand" is to invade normieworld and aggressively spam everybody with "$10 million coin, bro! Don't miss out, bro!" slop until they give in and start hoarding XMR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDcTCQ9tCtI&t=1430s <------fucking hilarious

We're talking about a moron that is so out of touch with reality that he thinks blackpilled normies, who by now automatically associate any mention of crypto with get-rich-quick fuckery, will respond positively to complete strangers stubbornly insisting on helping them become millionaires.

In other words, Mav is so low IQ, greedy and delusional that he actually believes blatant Nigerian Price tactics will yield positive results in 2026 as opposed to driving curious normies even further away.

Fortunately, he'll fade away into irrelevance since his asinine EOY price predictions will wreck what's left of his credibility in due course. Good riddance.

>>62494577
>[COIN]
This is disingenuous. I have never seen him promote any coin other than XMR. So it’s not as if he’s constantly shifting the narrative. It’s pretty clear he’s a maxi.

>genuinely stupid
So what? Approximately 95% of the world is stupid. Barely capable of forming coherent thoughts. I have no issues with them holding or using Monero. Do you? Why not meet them where they are?

>>62494621
>This is disingenuous. I have never seen him promote any coin other than XMR. So it’s not as if he’s constantly shifting the narrative. It’s pretty clear he’s a maxi.
I was generalizing about crypto larpers, not him specifically. They all say the exact same thing regardless of which coin they're shilling.

>So what? Approximately 95% of the world is stupid. Barely capable of forming coherent thoughts. I have no issues with them holding or using Monero. Do you? Why not meet them where they are?
Expecting utter morons to yield positive results is a recipe for disappointment.

>>62494657
Please explain why stupid people shouldn’t hold or use Monero

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>>62428091
>>Don't build a parallel economy, you should strive to make more goy bucks
Other crypto can be exchanged for more monero on the dip

>>62438610
Bee the change
"Word of Mouth" Path
>Stockpile Monero with a high paying job
>Start/seed essential businesses that accept monero (welding, car repair, Supply Chain operations, freight brokerage, farmland, etc)
>do well enough in your area that you are able to advertise Monero and grow adoption. Advertise like hell online.
>Do this as much as you can before it becomes illegal
>Avoid trouble

The problem with XMRbazaar is that there are barely any people selling things/offering services that people need. You can't get anything done with candles and esims

>>62490085
I'll pay enough taxes to buy property. Everything else is stored in cash businesses, monero and precious metals

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>>62466537
>Built with compliance in mind
>Zcash supports optional viewing keys, letting a user voluntarily disclose their own transaction details to an auditor or authority — privacy balanced with accountability.

Now happening with CARROT for some reason!

>1 post by this ID
>View Key FUD
>CARROT FUD

Do not reply to CARROT view key FUD posters