Sell SPCX you fools. Sell until it's too late.
They should just make corporate espionage legal in western countries at this point. The only people who are winning from the current laws are the Chinese
>>62466527>state media sayslol
>>62466546Show me one innovation from Japan.
>>62466549Singing toilets
>>62466548Good as any other media
>>62466590Is there any good quality video yet? every single one i saw looked like ai
>>62466594What is real anyway? Is Iran war real?How could plebs tell?
I'm going to buy spcx at $10
>>62466535Or maybe the billionaires should start paying their engineers enough so that they actually feel like staying loyal?
>>62466527I haven't heard of China selling launch services to foreign countries, either businesses or governments. Maybe they'll try, but who will trust them?It's not just a question of government espionage, or corporate espionage, there's also the fact that China half-asses everything -- they call it "chàbuduō". Drop a satellite during transport? Don't tell the customer, they might blame you for the optics being all out of alignment or for the solar panels not opening properly!The one really great thing about this is that maybe now China will stop crashing boosters onto their own citizens' villages. That's literally their current launch system -- figure out roughly where the booster is going to crash, tell those villages to evacuate, launch the rocket, watch it crash, and pick up the pieces. That happens even in successful launches, not just for failures. See picrelated. You can find a lot more photos, videos, and news articles with just one simple search.
>>62466603Sounds like a lot of cope.
>>62466549You know that monitor you're reading this on? It was made possible by a Japanese engineer spending five years mastering the egg, er, I mean, LED manufacturing, so that he could invent the first usable blue-colored LED. The entire rest of the civilized world had been trying to create functional blue LEDs for literally over 50 years and failed. The only thing anyone else had been able to make was very low-yield very weak blue LEDs that were unusable for anything serious.Here's a really good video on it. I watch it several times a year for inspiration.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF8d72mA41M
>>62466600I'm going to buy ALL the SPCX at $11 just to fuck you over.>>62466607Dilate more.
>>62466612>I'm going to buy ALL the SPCX at $11 just to fuck you over.Something tells me you won't. You'd need Warren buffets entire net worth liquid to do that.
>>62466614No I wouldn't. If SPCX dropped 94.444% to $11, half its total market cap would only be about $72B. (Elon's never going to sell his half of the company.) All I need is for Bitcoin to do another 70,000X by then.
>>62466610These guys make really good content. Thanks.
>>62466527SpaceX https://youtu.be/RYUr-5PYA7shttps://youtube.com/shorts/dm5QqoqkU9oChinahttps://youtube.com/shorts/s_BiDawHGjw
>>62466602If loyalty is the issue then we should be mass ejecting every mainland Chinese from the west. The people spilling out secrets to the chinks are chinks working in the west.
>>62466602The people stealing secrets aren't disgruntled employees, but people who seek employment with explicit goal of stealing secrets. Fucking hell, you're naïve
>>62466651I mean, if we were actually serious about our sovereignty, we would have done that 15 years ago when they were CLEARLY just stealing every IP of every manufacturing facility we outsourced over thereAnd after that we would have done it when the news broke that EVERY piece of Chinese silicon manufactured since at least 2014 had that cccp spy module attached to itChina isn't winning because they're better or because they are actually very cunning. They're winning because the world leadership has been giving them the reigns to hegemony for 30 years on purpose. There's no other explanation
>>62466710Both are true. Intelligence agencies look for people with weaknesses they can turn to spies. Whether they're disgruntled, gambling addicts, promised money and a better life or threatened/blackmailed etc.
>>62466751You think Vietnam or Indonesia would've been successful like China if the were given 'reigns to hegemony'?
>>62466527Why does anyone still hire chinks? They obviously steal IP. Lefties will be the death of us.
>>62466549
>>62466876Cope
>>62466527>smoke coming from the wrong endChinese AI stronk!
>>62466864>dodging the questionNo? They don't have nearly the real estate, population, or natural resources tap to do what china has done. Their rise to the top was accelerated and entirely facilitated by purposeful selling out. Indonesia and the rest of the sea suite can put in factories and sweatshops, but they can't into heavy industry
>>62466886That's not an engine smoke. it's from the furnace. Space is cold, anon.
>>62466527 China is overrated by retards. They are good at copying, memorizing and torturing animals.
>>62466646Glad to. Their other videos I've seen have been decent, but this one explains everything so perfectly that I feel like I could build my own LED fab.
>>62466710There are multiple accounts of engineers who have been paid mid money their whole careers giving secrets to China in exchange of money.
>>62466527implessive
>state media saysGood try, I will NOT buy this anon.
>>62467064People will always want more. Highly paid hedgie quants leave to their competitors all the time for more or start up their own shops with the trade secrets.
>>62466548Full video available herehttps://twitterwebviewer.com/?tweet=2075535302446452789
>>62466603Pakistan's PRSC-EO3 and PRSC-EO2 launched on Chinese rockets in April and February this year, respectively.US companies and anyone using US components is banned by ITAR from launching on Chinese rockets.
>>62466527>China did the thing SpaceX fix 10 years agoCool. Let me know when they innovate.
>>62466886Supposedly, it's venting excess RCS propellant in order to reduce explosive risk during later rocket handling
>>62466535>>62466546>>62466603>>62466876>>62466905Like goddamn Lemminge holy shit.
>>62466549VHS, DVD, hentai.
>>62467364They're using hooks and wires to catch the rocket, rather than landing legs or chopsticks. That's one innovation.
>>62467340>take off and flight obviously real>as soon as it cuts to the landing it looks like cheap AI??? why?
>>62467118The company, CASC, is not publicly traded anyway
>>62467371Probably due to the camera on the drone used to film
>>62466556Fuck you nigger, I almost choked on my food
>>62466535This rocket is quite different to Falcon 9.Differences:* First stage has 7 engines; Falcon 9 first stage has 9 engines.* First stage uses oxidizer-rich staged combustion engines (F9 uses gas generator engines)* Rocket is mixed-fuel; second stage uses methane as fuel (Falcon 9 uses RP-1 as fuel)* Wires and hooks are used to catch the rocket (Falcon 9 uses landing legs)
>>62466651>>62466751execution shouldve been an active tool to curb IP theft
china rent free in these copers heads kek
>>62466527SpaceX valuation has zero to do with space and everything to do with AI, so this is totally irrelevant
>>62467371Another video of the landing
>>62467442Coping would be giving up and just stealing whatever the better guys make, like China.
>>62467458The hype is 99% due to space. Not many are hyped over Grok.
>>62466549Japan is the leading innovator in upskirt camera technology for limp-dicked perverts
>>62466527spcx is just findom for elon
>>6246747999% of the hype is from retards who didn't read the prospectus or even attempt to be aware of it
>>62467369What kind of shitcoins are these?
>>62467365It could also be burning insulation
>>62467520Even if an investor did read the prospectus and even if he agreed with it, the only reason he would think SpaceX is likely to dominate any market is because of what SpaceX did with rockets, which made people think Musk has an engineering Midas touch. Some Chinese company nailing propulsive landing on the first try kinda ruins the magic aura a bit.Also, if he read the prospectus, he would have seen that SpaceX doesn't really intend to pay dividends and there's no way for investors to force SpaceX to pay dividends
>>62467644Ok, because being good at rockets means you will dominate AI in spite of Anthropic and OpenAI being lightyears ahead of you in every conceivable way
>>62467644If McDonalds says theyre going to invest trillions on making cars investors arent thinking about hamburger sales.
>>62467439Guaranteed if the shoe were on the other foot, the cccp would be doing exactly that (protip: they are)
>>62467664Yes, that's the logic. It doesn't make sense to me, but there are a lot of people who think running the reusable rocket company means you're a universal super genius and the greatest engineering manager of all time by a very wide margin>>62467685No one thinks hamburgers are super advanced technology that only a real life Tony Stark could make
>>62466546this was valid maybe 20 years ago, not anymore
>>62467370>China doesn't want to use chopsticks SpaceX without Chinese characteristics. Sad
>>62467782I think wires offer greater margin of error, which is good if you're landing on a barge that may rock due to wind and waves.There are a ton of other Chinese reusable rockets in the development pipeline, and many intend to use chopsticks or landing legs.
>>62467760No one thinks McDonalds can pull off a commercially viable automobile but they know they can make burgers
>>62467798Yes, yet people think Musk can do (or make his employees do) anything and do it better than the competition
>>62467796At the end of the day this is well and good for China, but does nothing for the domestic US market and the tech companies within that will drive most of the demand for space hardware because these things are national security concerns. Basically America and China will each have their own domestic space industry and people will choose a provider based on who will not steal their tech. Take a guess.
Oh nice, took them long enough to steal the right data.
>>62467366Shut the fuck up you chink worshipping faggot
>>62467824ai is an arms race to steal as much data as possible from people the world overchinese ai specifically is being catered to stealing all THAT data to parse it for advancement of the state apparatus (because commies). Its getting better at finding the better data now, but soon enough they'll just exhaust all the shit they can steal and nobody will want to innovate anymore and we'll have an age of ai hallucinated 'discovery' with predictably underwhelming (and often highly disastrous) resultsWelcome to the chinese century
>>62466527esl thread alert>until it's too latebefore it's too late
>>62467819They are absolutely in direct competition. The main end product is connectivity, and that product is sold on the global market. Government contracts are only a fraction of SpaceX's revenue.
>>62468089I didn't say government contracts. I'm talking about the deep link between government policy and corporate rollout. AI leadership is a national security concern and so companies like Nvidia and anthropic are deep in bed with the US government on what they can and can't do. See chip export restrictions and mythos lockdowns. So when the question becomes "which company do we trust to launch our highly proprietary hardware and models into space?" The answer is never ever going to be a Chinese company when forced IP disclosure is baked into the deal of working with Chinese state industries. Same goes for China. They're making these rockets because they'll never in a million years leave their access to space gatekept by American foreign policy. The competition is on a government level and on foreign countries that want access to space. But that market is laughable. Only America and China have any real business in space and neither will buy from the other.
>>62466535Thank you Elon very cool
>>62468142Of course US companies will be banned from launching on Chinese rockets; this has already been the case since the 1990s.The point is that Starlink will be in competition with China's Qianfan and Guowang constellations in third countries, which is the bulk of the connectivity market by value. China's reusable rockets are an input good into Qianfan and Guowang, since they will be used to launch en masse.>forced IP disclosure is baked into the deal of working with Chinese state industriesNo it isn't. It depends on the context and on the negotiating power of the Chinese company.
>>62468190I disagree but time will tell.
>>62466527>>62467881Was going to point this out. >Sell until it's too late>"until it's too late" Such a pathetically lazy ESL shill/FUD thread, but at least there's a learning opportunity here. Some things to note:1) It's suspicious (and perhaps pathetic) how many people read the OP and responded in earnest without calling out the obvious ESL-slop OP. 2) It took what, like ~70 replies before someone called out the OP and pointed out the blatant ESL syntax? 3) There are several possibilities why this has happened, but three of the most probable are A) this board has been overrun with ESL retards who opine on American companies and American economics as if they know what they're talking about; B) blatant shill/FUD threads are started by foreigners and responded to by bots or engagement farms in order to boost signal in attempts to affect American investments/companies/assets/etc.; or C) a combination of A) and B). 4) This is why flags are so important. This board is gimped due to a lack of knowledge. We should be able to know whether the person giving us advice on American stocks is posting from Pakistan or Bulgaria or Ukraine. It's actually negligent to have a "business/finance" board without flags.
>>62468297For example, when I post on a board with flags (/sp/), it becomes very clear very quickly that foreigners posting on this website hate the United States at an irrational level. They have almost no interactions with Americans in real life and their only exposure to the United States is through media, mostly online. So when they opine on the United States, our culture, our sports, our education, our technology/business/economics, or even just our daily lives, they often do it from a place of pure resentment, spite, and almost no actual knowledge of the United States whatsoever. Everything they spew about the United States is either propaganda from whatever retarded state-run media they're forced to adhere to, or vile hearsay from some social media figure they've latched onto (also propaganda btw). Although /sp/'s average IQ level is (maybe?) below this board's average, I have no doubt the foreigners here share the same resentment towards the United States and do not post about American companies/business from a neutral perspective. I like hearing foreign perspectives by the way, but I deserve to know when I'm speaking with a foreigner, in order to put the things I'm reading into perspective. For example, OP's ESL-syntax plus the content of the post was a dead giveaway that he's posting this out of pure resentment.
Glad I didn’t buy space x stock
>>62468335Fair points, but whenever possible, I try to deal with people in good faith (its a white trait, or flaw, depending on the situation)The only way out of a low trust civilization is to deal with others in good faith, and violently expelling them permanently if they step out of line. Sadly, we can't do the latter half of that anymore and so here we are
>>62468297>>62468335What? Sorry I couldn't hear you I think you're breaking out? KRRSSHRHSHH KRRSHH...hat? Sorry could yoKRRRSCHH KRRSCH...peat that?
Holding a bag of spcx $210
>>62468297Totally agree. I just assume all other posters are Indian as a default at this point. Mods complain about spam but won't do the one thing that would kill spam forever. Flags and range bans.
>>62468297Nigga, your national debt is owned by Asian and Middle Eastern shitholes. Shut your bitch mulatto mouth.
>>62468568>Nigga>your national debtESL talking like a nigger. Another reason we need flags.
>>62468335I lived in the USA for most of a decade and I hate you just as much
>>62468596I don't remember asking, but thanks for your input. I'll add it to the list of reasons we need flags.
>>62466527He boghted the spacesex ponzi ? kek
>>62466527SPCX sisters?
>>6246856825% is foreign owned in the form of bonds. Read a book
>>62466548you know all the big news agencies of your country are state media right? It's just more covert
>>62466905>They're only good at copying Americans will say this while replying on a Chinese manufactured phone, then have an oolong tea, hit reply, put the phone down, and then eat a Chinese Boy Piss Egg with chopsticks and say we don't make anything new.
>>62468851Such as? Name them, cunt.
>>62468864Are you ok?
>>62466549anime girls
>>62466527cuz elon hires chinks and poos who will bring back or sell the tech to china
>>62466610It's a very interesting story, but a part that is easy to forget is that he had an investor fully bankrolling his efforts for multiple years with $3 millions.
this is some shit that a university student should be able to do as a minimum requirement. wtf is so complicated?
>>62468335>Although /sp/'s average IQ level is (maybe?) below this board's average,Seriously?? How many people here bought Chainlink or Safemoon? Not even mentioning all the Indian shitcoin scams.
>>62469347>a part that is easy to forget is that he had an investor fully bankrolling his efforts for multiple years with $3 millions.So what? How is that even relevant to the point that it was a Japanese scientist who invented the blue LED?And the "investor" was the Japanese shit-tier semiconductor company he worked for, whose Japanese CEO saw the business deteriorating and threw the money at the Japanese scientist as a "hail Mary" attempt to create a product that would save the Japanese company."OMG he had an investor!!!" So fucking what?
>>62469777>So fucking what?None of this would happen without the $3 million investment. None of this. The guy was extremely lucky in this regard that he had such an opportunity.
it's using a net lmao
>>62466527Did China steal blueprints from SpaceX?
>>62469886Long March 10B is about as different from Falcon 9 as a rocket can get while still being a rocket that does propulsive landing. Cable catch, dual fuel, seven engined booster, closed cycle engines, oxidizer-rich preburner, etc.
>>62466535Corporate espionage happens all the time regardless of its legality and there's zero chance that the Chinks aren't just being used by Western alphabet agencies. The moment they come up with, test, build or create anything that is a legitimate threat you can expect everyone involved to suicide by two shots to the back of the head or for the entire complex to have a rocket accident and get blown up in the explosion. People do not share power, especially not over international borders.>>62466548Also this. You can generally assume that everything China ever says is just lies projected to a face-saving culture. Its for domestic consumption, not for us to speculate about.
Buy SPCX, the prices won’t get much lower than this. You don’t want to be an earth bagholder, do you?
>>62470360>The moment they come up with, test, build or create anything that is a legitimate threat you can expect everyone involved to suicide by two shots to the back of the head or for the entire complex to have a rocket accident and get blown up in the explosionThey should have done that before Chinese satellites ruined Trump's Iran adventure by providing Iran with the exact locations in real time of air defenses, aircraft parking spots and other assets in the region, as well as providing damage assessment so Iran didn't waste missiles on an already destroyed target
>>62466603>The one really great thing about this is that maybe now China will stop crashing boosters onto their own citizens' villages.It's due to the fact their spaceport is so far inland it's impossible to not drop on it's citizens. Russia's fall over Siberia, while USA shoots over oceans.
>>62466603>>62470662Rockets launched from Wenchang fall into the sea, not onto populated areas. It's the rockets launched from Xichang that fall onto populated areas. This is because the location for Xichang spaceport was chosen during the Cold War when security from military strike was considered very important. There are no unpopulated in the Chinese interior at the low latitudes from which you can launch to geosynchronous orbit. Xichang spaceport will probably be closed within 5 years, or at most 10 years.
>>62470662only an issue because of hypergolic fuelsotherwise its just a random debris cloud
>>62466590>regional conflict in eastern yuropwe're talking about big picture stuff here, anon. no one cares about the vatnik-gopnik war
>>62468297>>62468335>noo you HAVE to write in correct english and use common english saying correctly for us to trust you!your country is owned by jews who speak your language only because it's convenient to them. the universal language of the future will be chinese, while the US will be speaking spanish in the next decades, so get used to it, RETARD.
>>62467458>>62467520so starship isn't a factor? the servers in space thing is not priced in?
>>62466527Kek, of course it looks just like Elon's. If China didnt have the US to steal from theys be an absolute disaster failure state.
>>62471338>the servers in space thingComplete nonsense, zero chance of turning a profit, ever, without miraculous breakthroughs in materials science. I work as a cloud engineer in the space industry, I mange enormous numbers of servers that are used by an entire subdivision of our company that are employed for the sole task of determining if a satellite's design is going cause it to experience runaway heat issues and fail. The idea of putting racks of fucking GPUs of all things into LEO is what we would come up with if we wanted to create a parody of what a clueless pleb would try to pitch to investors. Its going to be another full self-driving mode, robotaxi, robovan (remember that one?), humanoid robots, and the mission to mars. Its a fantasy, its not happening. He'll probably try, no doubt, and it will work for a month or so, stock will pump massively, and then fail.
>>62469825faggot, do you think nobody else would have invented the blue led?
>>62466535what makes you think the US havent already been doing this for decades at this point in supposedly 'allied' western countries like japan and s korea? long before the chinese ever became a serious threat
>>62471694>zero chance of turning a profitanon, we are not talking about reality or about what YOU think about it. and investors think "oh, they made a reusable rocket, they surely have enough engineering knowledge or ingenuity to pull it off!", so people invest based on assumptions and fantasies rather than on reality. just look at the AI bubble...
>>62471784He wouldn't. He wouldn't invent anything without the funding. You seem to be very angry about this.
>>62471927who cares who does it, why do you think it matters and why do you think i care about that one guy?
>>62471932Try to read the posts you're replying to you fucking retard
>>62471694>turning a profitwhy would you think this is important, bigger companies have survived for longer without profit, your small minded thinking does not work at this scale
>>62471395>muh it's also a cylinder so it has to be a carbon copyLong March 10B is about as different from Falcon 9 as a rocket can be. Different engine count, different propellants, different engine combustion cycle, different preburner, different recovery method.
>>62466624>(Elon's never going to sell his half of the company.) The fat arsehole has preferential stock.You'd still need to suck his dick if you bought 80% of this fucking garbage.
spcx is gonna go down 20% at open because of this stupid FUD
spcx is going to 30 because they are about to float 400x the amount of shares lmaou guys are complete retards
Current price: $138.58Only like $3 over the IPO price and below the market open price.This with most of the shares still locked up. I think I showed a chart and it should show that 60% of shares will be unlocked by October. That is a 12x increase in float. IMO this stock is either going down and trading sideways. If you like SpaceX, wait for a better entry point. Maybe around $90.
/biz/ needs country flags
>spacex>p/s of over a hundred>2 trillion evaluation>runs at a lossSeems like a wonderful shorting opportunity. why shouldn't i go balls deep in bear etf's on the instrument?
>>62470360>muttjeet powerfantasy
>>62466603>does nothing>kills peoplekek what a neat nation
>>62480305The AI part of the company hides the insanely profitable launch part.Gotta wait and see how profitable AI ends up being. Same with Anthropic and OpenAI.
>>62466549Newhalf porn(?)
>>62482165I think you're overselling its ai division. spacex is using models for materials research, starship design, research purposes exclusively. spacex will never make money directly from ai, and grok is not property of the company.
>>62466527Below IPO price today ($132.70). I think $70 entry is interesting.
>>62466527I kneel.
>>62485150135 is the floor
I'm going to laugh so hard when Elon gets liquidated.
>>62466527thanks just sold
>>62480129even /sp/ has em jannies killed this board this thread is 5 days old
>>62466548the chinese are pros at reverse engineering western tech. im sure they figured it out from all the footage spacex offers of their launches for free plus any spies they have in the company.
>>62485163Sure
Basically I'm just not gonna sell. I know.. UGH I know.. IM SORRY! It's just that I'm not selling is all.
>>62467819China produces a fuck ton of terrestrial based communication already to the point that it became a western security issue.They are moving into space with the same tech they are certainly not lacking in capability.
>>62467844There is an infinite amount of real, accurate data in the real world through cameras, microphones and various other sensors, alongside human communication and interaction.AI doesn't need to run via text alone.
>>62485982How many Chinese 5G towers in your country?
>>62468867Bbc, german tvs, etc
>>62466527They hodled
>>62466549Nintendo
>>62486340>Being a eurocuck Sorry, I can't relate.
What about other space stocks, I'm pretty deep on rocket labs and lunr
