what's your bet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiOFu1TlkgE www.bip110.org
Bitcoin is now 823 days past the halving.At roughly this point in each previous cycle, a major event triggered a brutal sell-off:2014: Continued fallout from Mt. Gox2018: Bitcoin Cash hash war2022: FTX collapse2026: BIP110 vs Core30+ ????
Bitcoin’s entire value proposition is that any individual can verify the full monetary history and current state of the system on modest hardware, without trusting anyone. Verification is what makes the 21 million cap real. A supply cap you cannot personally audit is a promise, and Bitcoin exists because we know promises from monetary authorities fail.From this, it follows that every byte written to the chain is a permanent, universally replicated liability. It must be downloaded, validated, stored, and served by every full node that will ever exist, forever. Blockspace, therefore, is a commons with the unusual property that consumption is instant and the cost is eternal.The standard objection to any data restriction is that fees already ration blockspace. Yes, they do. But a transaction fee is paid once, to one miner, for inclusion in one block. The cost of that transaction is borne by every node operator in perpetuity via the initial block download, disk space, bandwidth, and, worst of all, working memory when data is stuffed into unspendable outputs that bloat the UTXO set and can never be pruned!!Let's imagine that a fee market for data embedding is equivalent to a landfill that charges a one-time tipping fee and then requires every household in the country to keep a copy of the waste in their garage forever. The tipping fee can be perfectly market-clearing at the gate and still be wildly underpriced relative to the true social cost. Fees ration who gets in the block, but consensus rules are the only mechanism Bitcoin has ever had for capping what the network as a whole must carry.This is the case for BIP-110 in a sentence…fees decide who gets into a block, and consensus rules decide what every node must carry forever. BIP-110 may not be perfect, and determined spammers will always probe for gaps. But the burden it targets does not expire with the proposal, and Bitcoin will have to answer for it eventually!
>>62508806This whole business annoys me and makes me want to smack both sides.
>>62508806What the fuck is this guy holding?
>>62508806Neither are relevant because the scaling debate is over. Bitcoin solved all these problems with larger blocks. So just use Bitcoin.
>>62508806BIP110 knotards will fork off soon. Since there is no replay protection, there will be no airdrop of Bcashjr coins. My advice is to sit and relax.
I have a BIP suggestion that is inevitable. All self custodied wallets are spam producing. Only exchanges, banks, and registered custodians should be able to produce non-spam transactions. This is where BTC is headed. Blacklist every wallet that has not handed keys over to a custodian and forbid miners from building on blocks that include spam.
>>62509009That was completely different issue, besides that Bitcoin Cash should also implement BIP110 because with larger blocks storage feature is even more attractive for abusers, spammers, banksters, etc
>>62508806I for one don’t want spam and CP in my blockchain and don’t want to be forced to download it to verify or support the network so of course I support BIP-110. Everyone else is a paid CIA shill.>>62508933Is this pasta?>>62509009I assume you’re calling Bitcoin cash Bitcoin. If the debate is over and BSC solved the problem, why is it worth a small fraction of the market cap of BTC?
>>62509790>is this pasta?If it aint it deserves to be
>>62509292That's how shitcoins works already and there is a huge pressure from many different but coordinated attacks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3AYCZo7oEs to convert Bitcoin into yet another SHITCOIN.Once BTC is compromised the Clarity Act, MiCA and other BS regulations can implement their CBDC - the ultimate slavery tool because technically crypto self-custody wouldn't be possible anymore.
>>62510018BTC has long been compromised. People still buying BTC deserve what they choose. They could simply use Bitcoin.
>>62510253BTC and Bitcoin is the same thing and it's not yet compromised if you know how to use it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNddrUQ7jY
>>62508806>betnigger there is no betluke is schizophrenic
>>62510567In 2020 the author of nostr endorsing various node implementations said: "The first example of a bitcoind software that follows Bitcoin Core closely, adds some small changes, but has an independent vetting and release process is Bitcoin Knots, maintained by the incorruptible Luke DashJr"https://fiatjaf.com/aa9d0a2c.html
bip110 people are right, and they're going to lose.turns out when you only have a handful of developers and entire world uses whatever version of bitshit they release, your project is centralized.pic related doesn't suffer from this problem btw
>>62510952You are wrong the malicious changes introduced in the Core v30+ are used only by a fractions of nodes.The fact that people are still preferring to use older version of Core showing very clearly that the newest version is not trusted by the vast majority of the Bitcoin community.Year ago I was not even aware of existence of alternative clients like Knots>>62510952>pic related doesn't suffer from this problem btwvery nice fake gold, tell me more how you organize all the logistic to verify it and how do you plan to deliver it to some people in need from the conflict zones?
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>>62511108yes you can feel it in the air, the big false flag operation is almost certain taking also in the account conflicts in Ukraine, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Greenland, Kosovo, Taiwan, Africa, etc + crazy AI race + BRICS + massive illegal immigration + ....
>>62511048people are always late to update that doesn't mean they distrust the new version. when they do update they will choose core.>very nice fake gold, tell me more how you organize all the logistic to verify it and how do you plan to deliver it to some people in need from the conflict zones?make the biggest gold bullion and throw it off on top of the conflict zone from a cargo plane.
>>62510390BTC is a compromised fork of Bitcoin, created and controlled by a centralized network of economic nodes. Miners and users were degraded to serfs and you elect to be serfs by not leaving. Read the whitepaper. Consensus was completely disregarded in favor of what the institutions, the economic nodes, wanted. Kraken, coinbase, etc. even new entrants like blackrock. Get out, they don't even want you using their chain. The miners will have no choice but enforce a whitelist and give you a deadline to render your BTC to a custodian to eliminate spam/fees. If you miss this deadline, they will be incentivized to exploit segwit to drain wallets. They don't need a fork to do this, they simply have to rollback their node version and any segwit outputs are signed and ready to include in a block. The people continuing to buy and mine BTC despite having no custody will have zero sympathy for you. They are captives. Miners are too invested in asics to pivot and the price of competing sha-256 assets is too low for them to mine profitably. They will not be loyal to you or to the whitepaper. Will BTC survive? Yeah. Will it ever be Bitcoin? No.
>>62511312dude whatever you smoke just stop, it's bad for you>>62511312>BTC is a compromised fork of Bitcoinno BTC it's not a fork of anything it is literally an abbreviation of Bitcoin like USD for American dollars $$$ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin >>62511312>they will be incentivized to exploit segwit to drain walletshow exactly this magic suppose to work and what will happen with BTC self-custodian not based on segwit?
>>62511145The power of Bitcoin is that you can use whatever version and implementation you want if it's compatible with the network. Users are making update decision based on set of features, security and stability not simply because version number pumped up. There is a clear visible pattern increasing every day and showing that people doesn't like the newest Core30+ corrupted changes. People really underestimate how important BIP110 really is. If it fails and miners can simply veto a soft fork with nearly 20% node support then the end of bitcoin begins right there. It's insane how people can wish for BIP110 to fail considering those implications.Even if you hate it, anyone should wish for it to work because if nodes can be overruled like that it's literally over.
Bip110 will fail so this conversation is pointless
>>62512667"power" of bitshit is some asian woman says nfts are good and it's the beginning of the end for the entire network.thanks for playing.
>>62512667If it fails and miners can simply veto a soft fork with nearly 20% node support then the end of bitcoin begins right thereCan you expand on this? It’s like a vote, right? If 20% vote against they just lose. So why is it the beginning of the end?
>>62512995in such a case BIP110 will become the new Bitcoin and Core30+ will transform into yet another centralized shitcoin>>62513067>If 20% vote against they just loseMiners think that with this 20% they can actually win. Large pools/miners can't fence sit any longer. They can either signal before the window and the split risk basically vanishes, or stay silent and own whatever chain split follows. If no big pool flips in time, the enforcing chain starts crawling but stays valid and un-reorgable by the majority, creating that wipeout overhang.One percent may sound like a rounding error. But 8–10 EH/s is approximately the entire Bitcoin network circa 2017, the hashrate that carried Bitcoin through the SegWit activation fight. In physical terms it is on the order of 40,000–50,000 modern ASICs, hundreds of millions of dollars in hardware, drawing continuous power in the range of a mid-size power plant. Nobody points a power plant at a signalling bit by accident. These are industrial operators making a public, capital-backed statement.
>>62513818And your new bitcoin will be worth a fraction of the supposed centralized shitcoin
is there any data on the % of nodes that are currently in favor?i heard it was small so its an irrelevant debate at this point in time
it's simple, miners will do whatever makes them money. which means doing whatever buyers want them to do. and the only buyers of consequence are centralized exchanges and tradfi institutions. margins are negative right now so they don't have a choice, it's do what they are told or they go bankrupt
>>62516162You can scrap this data yourself or search online there are many websites providing this type of statistics in real time. Today approximately it looks like:- 12% against BIP110- 10% strongly pro BIP110- 78% neutral or pro BIP110where only Core30+ is against the BIP110, other versions are either neutral or pro BIP110.btw. the time for debate is over long time ago, BIP110 is already signaling and soon we should expect the chain split.Bad actors in that space. They are intentionally lying. Segwit activated because of BIP-148, period. Without the UASF, Segwit was stalled, there was no miner support. BIP-148 forced their hand. BIP-110 will do the same.https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15
>>62516137>>62516199The choice for Miners seems really simple.Option 1: Ignore BIP-110- Lose 15% (or more) of customers- Trigger a chain split- Ongoing risk that hashrate migrates to BIP-110, causing reorg- Risk of PR & Stock dramaOption 2: Adopt BIP-110- Continue serving 100% of customers- No chainsplit- No reorg risk- No PR or Stock dramahttps://www.learnbitcoin.com/glossary/bip-148-uasfCoreDev has had the BIP-110 code changes from Dathon for 4 months. They closed it and locked conversation the day it was submitted.https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34929https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34930
>>62516751Dathon is a faggot
>>6251306720% of nodes that are 0.001% of economic activity.
>>62508806Nobody gets to choose what transactions are spam and what are not. Spam can only be blocked with block size limit combined with fee markets. There will always be workarounds for onchain data storage, even with BIP110. From technical standpoint it achieves nothing, and from governance standpoint at worst it's an attack towards Bitcoin. Forcing a UASF on a change that doesn't have broad support from all Bitcoin users is not the way to move Bitcoin forward. And any comparison to SegWit is dishonest because BIP148 had broad support from devs and eco, where here it's a single % loud minority trying to force their way. Knotards are right about centralization around Core but that's the way it is and has always been. Why not make an alternative node implementation in a more peaceful way? Fighting Core with this shitty BIP won't work. Enjoy your minority fork I guess.
>>62517392The Game Theory of BIP-110 UASF: Why Success is Inevitable1/ Current State (15–18% Node Adoption)BIP-110 UASF nodes already command 15–18% of the network — substantially higher than the ~10% threshold that forced miner capitulation during SegWit (BIP148) in 2017. User sovereignty is already weaponized.2/ Asymmetric Risk (Nodes vs. Miners)Running a node costs almost $0. Mining costs millions in daily OPEX & electricity. For miners, even a 0.1% chance of a chain reorg means 100% wiped-out block rewards and instant bankruptcy.3/ The Mining Pool Prisoner’s DilemmaMining pools cannot trust one another. If Pool A defects and signals BIP-110 early, Pool B risks having its non-compliant blocks permanently invalidated. The first pool to switch guarantees its revenue; the last pool to switch loses everything.4/ The Cascade Effect & Pre-emptive CapitulationBecause no pool wants to be the last one holding the bag, the dominant strategy is to defect early. This triggers a rapid domino effect where pools race each other to signal BIP-110 well before the UASF deadline.5/ Flawless Activation Just like BIP91 in 2017, the threat alone forces 100% compliance without a chain split. BIP-110 soft fork activates seamlessly — proving once again that game theory and user sovereignty, not capital, rule Bitcoin.btw. When BIP-110 will finally be adopted Core dev will start to claim again that they were always supporting it like with BIP-148 lie.
>>62517649This argument implies that miners are irrelevant and simply spamming nodes is enough to attack bitcoin and force an adversarial fork (which is completely incorrect, of course)
>>62517649Spamming flawed AI pastas is a weak way to gain support. Wasting some effort anyway...>nodesIt's very easy to sybil tons of nodes into existence. How many of these are economic nodes (like >>62517187 pointed) is what matters. There is clearly no consensus on BIP110 so economic node count is likely very low. Also many started running Knots before this BIP110 drama and are now forced into changes they are not agreeing with. My guess is it's sybiled by a small minority who want to push BIP110 while real economic Knots nodes are leaving. BIP110 was proposed late 2025, after Knots node count rose by 10x.>minersMiners will not waste their hashrate on a minority chain where the forked BTC is worthless. There's no reason for any "last second change" in signaling like many BIP110 supporters are claiming. Miners have the incentive to signal their support and it's at 1%. The consensus is to ignore this change. Simple as. Why are you pushing this anyway? It's obviously not about data storage "spam" because it's been proven onchain that BIP110 doesn't prevent this. What's the objective here? I already know but I'm asking anyway.
>>62518123>BIP110 was proposed late 2025, after Knots node count rose by 10x.Bad wording. I mean the node count rose 10x way before BIP110 was a thing.
>>62510945>fiatjafthat's the jeet devhe's completely irrelevant
>>62509790>I assume you’re calling Bitcoin cash Bitcoinno, he's a BSV guythey're the ones who use the capital B because their cult leader wrote it like that once and it became a flag for themironically, luke is similar to CSW, just harder to talk back to since he is technically proficient while craig is technologically illiterate
>>62518194Historically capitalized Bitcoin has meant the network and lower case bitcoin has meant the coin aka BTC. But yeah, those are the BSV guys.
This whole debacle is going to make the USD chart look like a shitcoin and from there it's a self-fulfilling spiral into failure. Should have put a stop to this when the jew Rodamor started all this trouble 6 years ago, but we were all resting on our laurels as number went up.
>>62517662That's how BIP-148 was enforced >>62517649>>62518135>>62518123>There is clearly no consensus on BIP110 so economic node count is likely very lowAgain there was no consensus on BIP-148 neither but the nodes who are the real users of Bitcoin self-custodians they are the most important customers for Miners (unless you are mining shitcoins than go spam on Etherum they have very nice embedded Virtual Machine into blockchain for arbitrary data and other BS)What happened on July 8?Michael Saylor kicked the cyber hornets’ nest and woke up Plebs from all walks of life.Node runnersBitcoin meetup organizersFormer fighter pilotsOff-grid desert dwellersBook authorsPodcast educatorsStanford mathematicians with PhDsMining operators from Zegema BeachNeurosurgeons in El SalvadorFor months, opponents insisted BIP-110 was irrelevant.No support.Already dead.Nothing to worry about.Then the biggest name in Bitcoin felt compelled to declare that Bitcoin has “no spam problem” and BIP-110 is iatrogenic. The Bitcoin Industrial Complex hoped his clout would stop the tide that had been building since October.Instead, he became BIP-110’s biggest spokesman.One post meant to stop BIP-110 put it in front of nearly one million viewers. The counter-signal became the signal.
>>62518817>That's how BIP-148 was enforcedbuddy you are misattributing the success of that proposal. if bitcoin can be attacked by volume of antagonistic non-economic nodes, it would fail as a protocol. luckily that isn't how it works. unfortunately the real problem is miner incentive misalignment, because they are fucking broke. which means they are compelled by BUYERS, not by faggot nodes
>>62518239>>62518194BSV is the white man's bitcoin
>>62518945BIP-110 would follow along with the precedent set by BIP-148 - that users control the network, not the miners or the industry.Bitcoin has a long history of eschewing arbitrary data, no negative precedent is set by continuing to do so - whether at consensus or policy.It's a monetary network because it is optimized that way, not because of random chance.
>>62519971Ok Chat gpt
CVE-2010-5139 was fixed with a retroactive soft fork - 52 blocks worth over 2600 BTC to miners were WIPED OUT from history, and any transactions confirmed in that time were reversible.It could have been fixed by simply voiding the UTXOs with the inflation, no reorg needed. But that would have been an actually bad precedent, and is NOT a viable solution to CSAM.BIP110 is great because it avoids even the retroactive fix - by patching the bugs proactively, we can avoid ever having to roll back ANY blocks. Miners don't properly appreciate that by failing to activate it sooner, they have been playing with fire.
Hope this thread doesn't get archived before flag day so I can come laugh at (you)>>62520289
quick update:From what I see WE HAVE CONSENSUS threshold, only 26.6% of nodes want blown up spam enabling Core changes so we will force what majority wants when developers don't respect it.
The pushback against BIP110 (Reduced Data Temporary Softfork) isn't because of what it does ... it isn't because they're concerned with the seven rules it will enforce.It's because of what it means ... they won't be able to control bitcoin ... because a meaningful number of individuals are refusing to comply.
bip110 is disadvantageous only to those seeking to maintain a monopoly on transforming Bitcoin into a regulated system; it would mean defeat for everyone, including miners. MASF will demonstrate the community's strength and ideological unity.https://www.simondixon.com/blog/bip-110-the-spam-war-and-the-battle-nobody-wants-to-name-where-i-stand-simon-dixon
so is this about jpegs on the blockchain or about some sort of idealogical capture by bitcoin core?i dont follow all this nerd shit, but i paid money for some jpegs and would like to keep them. i thought the network wouldnt really care because its increasing fees which is a good thing if you care about network security
>>62520289I'm on your side but these memes are dogshit. Working against what you're trying to accomplish by sheer cringe. They don't "click".
>>62522287The problem with this jpeg and other blobs is that it will be stored and verified forever in the blockchain. You do one-time payment to a miner but all nodes in the network would have to use more of their memory, storage and CPU resources to process and validate it forever for free >>62508933So far you can implement and run a bitcoin node on some cheap hardware, but there is a risk now that you will need more expensive devices do it with more RAM, SSD and CPU power just to handle this cloud storage, Turing Complete Virtual Machine and other BS services you can play already in the shitcoin market. Moreover there is a serious legal issue of the content itself that you cannot simply remove from the blockchain without scarifying the integrity of all legit transactions.
faggot>>62520501
>>62522543GFY
>>62516589BIP110 isn't about fighting spam, it's addressing an existential threat. Its impact on spam is a bonus.
>>62523579You're such a faggot. If it can't survive this "existential threat" then it was going to fail eventually. Your fork is reddit.
>>62522564>mines a block through Ocean>doesn't signal BIP110>fills the block with OP_RETURN txslmao gigachad Ardoino
>>62519231craig literally drinks and behaves like a niggerevery bsvishnu fag is either a pitt mommy or some tatted up late bloomer mutt Calvin is a professional SEA money fucker
>>62523739"When a portion of wealth is transferred from the person who owns it — without his consent and without compensation, and whether by force or by fraud — to anyone who does not own it, then I say that property is violated; that an act of plunder is committed." Bastiat, The LawFees are paid by users to miners. Nodes bear the burden. When spammers pay fees to miners for data the nodes do not want then wealth has been transferred without consent or compensation of the node, an act of plunder.
>>62523911In contrast to blackrock CoreDevs and their top pools, the Ocean developers are allowing their miners to choose if they want to support BIP110 or not.while bitcoin nodes at the moment clearly presenting that BIP110 has ~70% consensus
>>62508806The genesis block literally has spam embedded into it. Knotters are retarded
>>62525235Node operators have always been janitors. They do it for free. Any node operator that doesn't understand this shouldn't run a node
>>62525235So what are you going to do when flag day comes and your bip is dead on arrival?
>>62525553It's not a spam it's a warning >>62510018 besides as mentioned here >>62523579 reducing the spam it's not a goal by itself but rather a bonus of adopting BIP110
Almost shit myself in the car yesterday. Managed to park and run into a chipotle and destroy their toilet seconds before I shit myself.Anyway this thread just reminds me that I missed the memory bubble 8 months ago and that I bought bitcoin 13 ears ago and then sold it and that every problem in my life comes from seeing all the big pumpers and then never buying before they become too big to actually profit from them.
Bitcoin Luke's Vision will fail day 1. Can't wait to see the crash outs.
>>62525613>>62526262I'm going to watch how blackrock miners are bleeding money by running:- My BIP110 node from block 961,632 onward: Rejects non-signaling blocks.- My BIP110 node from block 965,664 onward: Rejects blocks with "illegal" (under BIP-110) transactions and continues requiring signaling.In the meantime bitcoin network will heal from the monopoly of CoreDev^tm corrupted maintainers financed by blackrock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFhQ7Hirop4
Austrian economics judges institutions by the incentives they create, not just the rules they contain.Previous changes caused Bitcoin’s incentives to drift away from its monetary purpose, correcting that drift is conservative.Preserving incentive drift because it’s the current state is just a status quo fallacy.Bitcoin wasn’t left untouched. SegWit, Taproot, and Core v30 changed incentives. BIP-110 fixes unintended consequences of those changes.Conservatism means preserving Bitcoin’s monetary design, not every bug that accumulates.https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/535/ Saylor is trying to preserve the current incentives that will destroy bitcoin as hard money.Bitcoin is either ONLY MONEY, or no longer hard money at all. A good money can’t have other use cases.
>>62526933>I'm going to watch how blackrock miners are bleeding moneyBlackrock CoreDev&TopPools are not presenting any solution for the current crisis but rather coordinating attack on BTC with perfectly synced timing of enforcing malicious changes into bitcoin-core v30+ software and artificially lowering the hashrate to reduce the operational damage caused by the BIP110 resistance from the PlebsThey know that any BIP related with the Core30+ code changes wouldn't be accepted by the community so they decide to force the fraud with the support of the TopPools monopoly. This Blackrock alliance is pretending they are in the defense now. If they succeed expect increasing the 21M supply cap next time. Bitcoin urgently need healthy decentralization of node software and mining industry to avoid this kind of corruption in the future.
>30 posts by this ID
Reminder: Bitcoin Core deployed a *secret* UASF with *zero* signaling or *any* user adoption 2018 Sep 18th.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJFYHokOWZU
>>62529694Reminder: you can hate Core and be against this BIP at the same time. Also no consensus change happened on Sep 2018, it was a bugfix CVE-2018-17144. You are just making shit up.
>>62530656>Reminder: you can hate Core and be against this BIP at the same time.No you cannot be passive anymore Blackrock alliance is slowly killing the Bitcoin in real time!BIP110 is a hot bugfix for a vulnerability created by Core30. It would have made sense to deploy in October without a BIP, but nobody did then and Dathon Ohm took the BIP route after exhausting many other alternatives >>62516751>CoreDev has had the BIP-110 code changes from Dathon for 4 months. They closed it and locked conversation the day it was submitted.>https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34929>https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/34930
>>62518123>Also many started running Knots before this BIP110 drama and are now forced into changes they are not agreeing with.You are wrong https://github.com/bitcoinknots/bitcoin/blob/v29.3.knots20260508/doc/release-notes.md#reduced-data-temporary-softfork It is absolutely the responsibility of network participants to do something if they think the network is being attacked.That is how anything in nature survives.For some reason, the Core side of this debate refuses to defend themselves and have outsourced that responsibility to miners, hoping mining is centralized enough that a passionate movement of 20% of the network can just be ignored.If BIP-110 were stopped with a URSF, great. That is Bitcoin working.
>>62532557>You are wrongI am not, but I have to say the point isn't as strong as I initially thought. It's a fact there are some (ex)Knots users who uninstalled/downgraded their nodes after the update that started pushing BIP110. Knots node count increased months before Core v30 release in October 2025 or BIP110 proposal in December, see your own graph in >>62517649. But after some thinking it's probably true that most Knots users have been pro-censorship for a long time and wouldn't be against a half-assed consensus change that tries to achieve this. I might have overestimated how many people run Knots just because they want to support node software decentralization. It's also unlikely there are many Knots users who don't know its developer's views.>It is absolutely the responsibility of network participants to do something if they think the network is being attacked.Good thing the network isn't being attacked. The default reaction of someone running a Bitcoin node should be to do nothing.
Op is a faggot
Not a single block has been mined signaling for BIP-110 in the past 25 hours. This is supposed to activate in 10 days according to people who have no idea how bitcoin works.
>>62536425why are people like you celebrating the death of bitcoin? are you an adversary? then it makes sense. if you want it to succeed however it makes zero sense. it's being turned into an arbitrary data dump. it's an attempt to make it a shittier ethereum.
>>62536646>Why are people like you celebrating the death of bitcoin? are you an adversary?BIP-110 supporters try to advocate for their fork without an emotional argument challenge (impossible)
>>62533214>Good thing the network isn't being attacked.You are wrong again https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/535/ >>62536425>Not a single block has been mined signaling for BIP-110 in the past 25 hours.But somehow in the past it was never a problem for Blackrock endorsed BIPs 42, 141, 143, 147, 148, etc >>62529694
>>62536748it makes it harder to put junk on blockchain.your turn, what's the argument for supporting core 30?I'm not emotional one way or another because I no longer believe in bitcoin.
this is all too confusingI'll just trade my btc for eth for the time being
>>62537703>makes it harderBut not impossible. 110 is useless, a vanity project by a Christcuck lunatic.
>>62538295>But not impossibleso make it easier that's your solution? Satoshi Nakamoto spoke of junk "There are other things we can do if necessary" and BIP110 is exactly that thing to reduce the junk >>62537697>https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org/posts/bitcointalk/535/BIP110.
>>62538429You love using links as arguments so here's one: https://knotslies.com/
>>62538295you're failing at comparing two things that are distinctly different. on one hand you have a small space that someone can abuse with cost and labor. on the other you have a large opening that anyone who's willing can easily take advantage of and abuse.now think whether the former being changed with the latter is a good thing. it doesn't matter either way bitcoin is fucked.
>>62536425This argument only works if you pretend P2SH, CLTV, CSV, SegWit, and Taproot never happened.They all invalidated previously valid transaction constructions.Calling BIP110 the moment Bitcoin suddenly abandoned stable consensus ignores over a decade of Bitcoin history. >>62537697
Heading into the final 10 days (1418 blocks) before mandatory signaling begins, BIP-110 support has never been stronger. We continue hitting all-time highs on all metrics. The community has reached consensus, and all eyes are now on the miners >>62541014Hold the line, plebs!
decided to migrate back to core from knots. core relented on the OP_return bullshit they pulled, and knots trying to introduce censorship made me run back in cores arms.
>>62543747>we continue hitting all time high on all metrics
can someone explain what the miner incentive here is?those that switch early could get an outsized share of rewards if the bip110 chain eventually becomes consensus? but they risk losing 100% of their rewards if the core chain remains the majority?
>>62547191>but they risk losing 100% of their rewards if the core chain remains the majority?I think such a case would seriously damage Bitcoin reputation >>62541014 BIP110 would be forced to do a hard fork so all the miner rewards (including core30+) would have to be reevaluated by the market. Bitcoin Cash become a shitcoin because of unnecessary increase of the block size and now there is a risk that Core30+ Coin will become yet another shitcoin because of unnecessary increase of the OP_RETURN https://bitcoinknots.org/learn/bip110-code-walkthrough.html
Turns out self-custody IS difficult and that buying a $150 signer doesn't somehow make you your own bank with the appropriate level of security.Time to take self-custody seriously. And stop shilling products you have no basis to be vouching for created by unrepentant narcissists.With regard to Bitcoin itself, seriousness means fixing what has been broken with opening up datacarriersize, and activating taproot.BIP110 crossed 19% today >>62541014 >>62543747Enforcement begins in 8 days.
>>62508806>what's your bet?Monero
>>62508806We just keep winning.
>>62550893Trolls will be like "you're taking advantage of a bad situation to promote Knots [or BIP110]"But it wasn't us who chose to remove this feature from Core and deny miners control of their own policy.Just like it wasn't us who introduced the Taproot policy bugs, and _chose not to fix them when discovered_.Just like it wasn't us who intentionally introduced a CSAM and government attack on Bitcoin by uncapping OP_RETURN in Core.Knots doing things right is not "opportunism"; it's Core's negligence and incompetence that creates these scenarios.>>62547965
>>62551819>Just like it wasn't us who introduced the Taproot policy bugs, and _chose not to fix them when discovered_.link the proofs
>>62550729>>what's your bet?>Moneroaltcoiner faggot detected>
>>62522169>bip110 is disadvantageous only to those seeking to maintain a monopoly on transforming Bitcoin into a regulated system;BIP 110 is the one that tries to "regulate" what is "spam" and to block it?Luke-jr can keep dreaming about it, how ever nothing can stop spammers, nothing except economy of txfee, or there being better chains for doing their data bullshit.
>>62551819>Just like it wasn't us who intentionally introduced a CSAM and government attack on Bitcoin by uncapping OP_RETURN in Core.holly based!!! I wish it was me. Keep seething ludditie idiot with no understanding of game theory, you can't decree away the spam
>>62526933>"illegal" (under BIP-110) transactionsPermissionless money, everyone. BIP-110 retards WILL be hardforked off to an irrelevant chain and I’m looking forward to /kcg/ (knotscoin general) where bizlets cope with being poor AND stupid.
>>62552049Core30+ is going to be hardforked by BIP110 >>62547965Blackrock learn the lesson from Bitcoin Cash that they have no change in fair play competition so they have to corrupt the CoreDev and miners to enforce their scamWhen a multisig spend broadcasts, the script reveals the public keys. If any are from weak-entropy Coldcard seeds, the thief (who precomputed matching private keys) can sign a conflicting higher-fee transaction to their own address using those keys. With RBF on, miners replace the owner's tx. Disabling RBF keeps the first-seen tx, letting the legitimate spend confirm instead of being outbid.mempoolreplacement=0 is enough as it supercedes anything you put in mempoolfullrbf.But Core doesn't have mempoolreplacement and they even removed mempoolfullrbf recently. In Core it's not possible to turn off RBF, their devs chose the mempool policies of your node for you.
>>62553458>Disabling RBF keeps the first-seen tx!!!!LOL. This is how layman and retards think they "know" how Bitcoin or other distributed systems work.
>>62553499How otherwise do you think disabling Replace-By-Fee (RBF) works than?The race. Thousands of at-risk wallets need to be swept to fresh seeds over the coming days and weeks. For each of them there is exactly one dangerous window: the time between the sweep transaction hitting the mempool and it confirming in a block. During that window, an attacker holding the keys can broadcast a conflicting transaction paying a higher fee and redirect everything.A miner running full-RBF will happily swap the victim's transaction for the thief's higher-fee conflict.A miner running first-seen will mine the transaction it saw first — almost always the victim's, since the attacker is reacting to it.Every percentage point of hashrate honoring first-seen is, roughly, that much probability per block that a victim's sweep confirms untouched. A victim only needs to win once. The attacker needs to win before the first confirmation. In a race measured in minutes, those odds matter enormouslyNodes matter too. Relay topology determines what miners see first and how fast replacements propagate. Nodes rejecting replacements (mempoolfullrbf=0, or Bitcoin Knots' default policy) slow the attacker's transaction and speed the victim's path to a block template.Being honest about the limits. First-seen is policy, not consensus. It cannot guarantee protection — a determined attacker can submit conflicts directly to full-RBF miners or out-of-band services. And it does nothing for a wallet after its first spend has already revealed the keys. This is a probabilistic shield for one narrow window, not a fix.But that narrow window is exactly where thousands of people are about to be exposed, through no fault of their own. Defense-in-depth is the whole game here: sweep your entire wallet in a single transaction, pay a clearly next-block fee, submit directly to a first-seen pool if you can — and, if you mine or run a node, be part of the reason the victim's transaction wins the race.
>>62553766>How otherwise do you think disabling Replace-By-Fee (RBF) works than?It doesn't do jack shit, for any willing attacker, and an profit-motivated miner, where there are millions $ to be made from the hacks.Please kys.
>>62553793Attacks are increasing not decreasing and attackers are starting to crack through the affected mk3’s with pass phrases. There are even credible reports of mk4’s with pass phrases being hit.You are in a race against motivated and malicious people wanting to steal your wealth. Just like with spam reducing attack vectors is always better than ignoring it
>>62508806this website is like a reddit scrapbook
>>62554966>Just like with spam reducing attack vectors is always better than ignoring itIt's better to ignore it, as it gives retarded totally false sense of security.
>>62508841>Distrust in hardware wallets
>>62555913It rests on a false premise: that a protocol with no constraints is the free one, and any limit is censorship imposed on an otherwise neutral medium.No protocol works that way. Every protocol is defined by what it optimizes for, and refusing out-of-scope payloads is not censorship, it is the optimization that makes the protocol what it is. A voice codec drops frames that would blow its latency budget; it is not silencing speech. TCP enforces congestion control to achieve ordered delivery; that constraint is the thing that makes it useful. Constraints that serve the core function are not gatekeeping. They are identity.A protocol that refuses to optimize for anything is not maximally free. It is undefined. And an undefined monetary protocol does not survive contact with adversaries, because they will define its scope for it, optimizing it for their use case at the expense of yours. Refusing to defend your scope doesn't keep you neutral. It just hands the decision to whoever has the most resources. This is the centralization pressure we are already watching.
>>62557107>It rests on a false premise: that a protocol with no constraints is the free one, and any limit is censorship imposed on an otherwise neutral medium.there is a constrain: the block size limit.Data users and monetary users compete for it.Generally it seems data users always will find a way to push transactions to chain.If we make it a bit harder for data users, by introducing some risky protocol changes (risk of splits) then dunno man
>>62557556>Data users and monetary users compete for it.Bitcoin was never about the data users >>62538429You have ETH and other shitcoins for that>>62557556>If we make it a bit harder for data users, by introducing some risky protocol changesCore30+ is making harder for monetary users, by introducing some risky protocol changes without community approval https://bitcoinknots.org/learn/bip110-code-walkthrough.html >>62547965
>>62559028>Core30+ is making harder for monetary users, by introducing some risky protocol changes without community approval https://bitcoinknots.org/learn/bip110-code-walkthrough.htmlhuh, wrong link?describe the change that core30+ is supposedly making and bip for it>>62559028>>Data users and monetary users compete for it.>Bitcoin was never about the data users >>62538429that are wishes, but users of data ALWAYS will find a way
5 more days until you're laughed at as the biggest faggot on here
>>62559677>huh, wrong link?no that's the good link showing how little can be done to hotfix Bitcoin after Blackrock Core30+ attack >>62530898>>62559677>but users of data ALWAYS will find a wayand that's the shitcoin way there is no need to trash BTC with it, even Satoshi Nakamoto himself stated that: "Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately. Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other. BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.The networks need to have separate fates. BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices."https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg28917
>>62508806this isn't really important. but it's nice to have debates in the space. from the look of it bip110 might win, but again doesn't really matter.
>>62559760>no that's the good link showing how little can be done to hotfix Bitcoin after Blackrock Core30+ attackit's second time I ask: WHAT IS THAT DAMN SUPPOSED vulnerability in core 30+, describe it.>>but users of data ALWAYS will find a way>and that's the shitcoin way there is no need to trash BTC with itit is not possible to stop them, in any way besides the fact that doing it on other networks is much cheaper
>>62559814>but again doesn't really matter.The shape of the strongest argument against acting: “it’s messy, it’s risky, do nothing.” In a strategy of tension, “do nothing” is exactly the outcome that serves whoever benefits from the status quo - Blackrock sponsoring CoreDev&topPools mafia>>62560344Consensus rules have been changed multiple times in the past by CoreDev (e.g., SegWit, Taproot, etc.). Almost every single time, there have been massive unintended consequences and vulnerabilities created. These vulnerabilities ultimately led to the spam blow up from 2023 onwards. CoreDev has fiddled with "the laws of the universe" many many times (~8-14 times now depending on nuances/definitions) in the past. CoreDev made the mess (e.g., SegWit, Taproot) and refuses to own up and clean up their own mess. >>62520289BIP110 is a fix that significantly reduces both the legal and moral risks of node running. And it does reduce data, but more importantly it defines Jpegs and Csam as a hack, an abuse of the system. That makes running a node more morally defensible, and more legally defensible, which is important because states exist. >>62519971Notice which capabilities BIP110 restricts: the Taproot scripting that Bitcoin rollups and BitVM-style projects depend on. Those are precisely the projects the concentration-friendly capital is invested in — Citrea, led by Thiel’s Founders Fund, and the rollup cohort in UTXO Management’s portfolio. So the “spam war” is, underneath, also a fight over whether Bitcoin’s base layer will host the rollup infrastructure that layer of capital is betting on. >>62551819
>>62561742>CoreDev made the mess (e.g., SegWit, Taproot) and refuses to own up and clean up their own mess.that's your own, gay, opinion, that is it a "mess"
>>62557107why does this matter when btc already proved it cant be used as global money because the fees are too high when too many people use it
>>62562653Bitcoin fees are still cheaper than cost of maintaining corrupted kike central banks and their brrrr fiat money printing out of thin air that require forever global wars to fiscal it.
>>62562572It was already mentioned here >>62520289 that BIP110 would prevent this unnecessary CVE and many other vulnerabilities.btw. observing now how the coldcard scam is unfolding:"NVK on Citadel Dispatch, June 2022.Topic was how the US government could kill Bitcoin.“You just make a bunch of bad, very bad decisions. You make the software awful, there is no documentation, and then you just add all the bugs that you can exploit later.”More than a year earlier, his own firmware shipped an undocumented bad decision (the RNG rewrite) with a bug that would be exploited four years later."http://nitter.net/hodlonaut/status/2085032106019680523It really looks like the CoreDev SegWit&Taproot mess is waiting for the trigger to be massively exploited very soon if BIP110 won't stop it
>>62550893>I don't want to see ppl lose money over it.This guy is and endless meme source
>>62566661>It was already mentioned here >>62520289>>62520289>CVE-2010-5139 was...CVE-20102010.2010??!!?lamao you fucking idiot, is that the bug from 16 YEARS AGO, in FIRST YEAR of exitence of Bitcoin, the first blockchain? lamaoooo
>>62550893this has to be one of the funniest things I've seen in bitcoin space.
>>62569574NVK is deleting all his Jewish heritage tweets. He spoke of a possible future retirement hack. He’s not responding to anyone and yet actively deleting all his old cultural tweets. Guy put that bug in YEARSA ago and hacked it himself and fled
>>6251812371% of the BIP110 Knots nodes are duplicates. Only 5.9% of real nodes are signalling BIP110. They have been trying to push a false consensus the entire time
>>62570680>nodes are duplicatessource: trust me bro from "my private node crawler" lolbetter check how many nodes support Core30+ OP_RETURN policy enforced by CoreDev without any community debate >>62547965I think most miners already get it. Core30+ introduces a specific change that has extreme minority support according to the configs currently running on the vast majority of the network - despite that it affects everyone by way of existential risk to the network, and we need to close that door.https://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/dashboard/
this is the same style of posting that we had during the whole bcash and bsv bullshit. wtf
>>62571841Bad actors never learn. They thought putting an autist at the helm will work this time.
>>62573863Good Goyim won't stop on JPEG, CSAM and Turing Complete BitVM. The goal of kike Bolshevism is always the centralized full control of plebs!
>>62573910You have literally one dev
>>62573910This retard never heard of decimal places?
is this Luke or Mechanic posting?I don't think Luke would stomach posting here, so I'm assuming it's either Mechanic or Guida
I repeat, op is a faggot
Red Team is an effort to make it appear that all the software in Bitcoin is riddled with bugs. As I said, most of what they'll turn up is inconsequential.It is happening in parallel with an obvious state-level attack against sovereign hodlers (Coldcard users, Lightning users, BTCPay Server users) seeking to 6102 as many bitcoins as possible.The former is a coordinated tactic to obfuscate the latter.
Gold and silver don't have this problem.
>>62508841>>62508841Another ftx when AI agents find an exploit in coinbase or hype or binance and drain it all. If you wonder why trump cut ties with crypto.com he has insider info on the pillaging AI is about to unleash on crypto exchanges and wallet software.
they created AI to stop bip110why do you think all the US models have these retarded restrictions? It's so people use the Chinese models and the blame gets moved to China
>>62575199Take your meds. There's probably less than 5 million people who actually hold their own keys, the truth is nobody gives a fuck about you. Keep crying about DA JOOZ.
BIPtards are forking off to their own shitchain in 4 hours and haven't even managed to mine a block in the past 12 hours. BIPers aren't even going to be able to keep their chain alive long enough for me to sell their fork.
>>62575930Don't worry, the difficulty will adjust in 10min / 0.025 * 2,016 = 1.5 years and then you'll get stable 10 minute blocks -- yeah it's dead on arrival and miners will stop burning electricity after few hours/days.
>>62576035Oh wait I forgot difficulty can drop max 75%, so knotards will have to suffer hours long block times a bit longer. Obviously not going to happen because hashrate won't stay this high for years but this entire shitfork is for keks only anyway.
>>62576044>>62575930>>62575479Reminder: Nobody has made a counter-fork to reject BIP110. So BIP110 remains uncontested. Activation is certain.Blocks left 11~1.8 hours in this period
BIP-110 has now officially forked off the Bitcoin network, it has not had a block in 15 hours.
we are now known BENISCOIN congrats frens
>>62576264BOOOOOOOOOMM
bdash bros...
>>62576264B-but my miners' signaling
Lmaoo Ocean mined block 961,634 on the real chain and knotards are seething
>>62576264but surprise surprise AntPool appears to be attacking Bitcoin. Hold tight everyone.
>>62576398Hold tight for the next few hours until 961,633 gets mined kek. It will be so good entertainment for the next hour to watch retards like you wait for a block.
>>62576407Kikes were always owning majority of miners so finally you can enjoy your Bitherum shitcoin and expect depreciation of its value in the near feature >>62575199Meanwhile Bitcoin BIP110 difficulty will readjust and the sound money will grow stronger than ever
>>62576513
>>62576513Kek. Cope and seethe.>difficulty will readjustIt can't even mine its second block so how will it ever reach 2,016 blocks needed for a difficulty readjustment? Even with peak hashrate it would've taken more than a year. Now that over half of Ocean hashrate has already moved to real Bitcoin it would take even longer. Who will burn that much electricity for over two years? No one. Wake up to reality. The chain is already dead.
>>62576534>The chain is already deadThat's a genesis chain for a hardfork. Bitherum CoreDev betrayed their own rules so good luck with the future "improvements" >>62519971
>>62576545
>>62508806The goyim lost again. RIP
>>62576617>coinkikes gets outsted >akshully I never trusted them to begin with!
>>62576617he literally pined this on his profile: https://nitter.net/mattkratter/status/2084316261874602296 >>62576646just yet another battle but the war for sound money is never ending because otherwise is a game over for plebs! >>62569956>>62576534>Who will burn that much electricity for over two years?there is a plan B for it https://nitter.net/cguida6/status/2084653380194955653
>>62576684>I shilled coldcard for years but it doesn't matter because I stopped shilling it a month agolmao lol. He's a dumbass bitch that got his followers robbed and you're a dumbass.
>>62576690>I stopped shilling it a month agoJanuary 2026 is 8 months ago and coldcard scam was discovered just few days agofor retards like you here is the full tweet:"As I've said elsewhere, I promoted Coldcard for years, because I was using it in my own BTC setup. I never received a dime, or participated in the affiliate program. The only reason that I promoted it because I actually used it. Beginning in January 2026, I began to alert the community to NVK's bad behavior, while moving over to SeedSigner. I'll put a few tweets of mine in the reply"
>>62576709That really helps all the people that bought coldcard because he told them to. When they're upset looking their empty balance they should just pull up that tweet.
>>62576709>>62576723regardless of any of this arguing, seedsigner looks great BUT it's evidently gotten some funding from the "human rights foundation" - it even shows it on the loading screen this organization is run by a random venezuelan born billionaire living in norway who sent to school in pennsylvania and looks very much tied in to the neocon/CIA apparatusIs there going to be a backdoor in every fucking hardware wallet I find?
Wait till the mail in hashrate is counted.
>>62576513are you Luke?Luke is going to hell for being a heretic and for the crime of disobedience he is a protestant who secretly worships vatican 2his whole CSAM crying is probably about videos of him molesting his kids potentially hitting clearnet afer his server got invaded and the CSAM material he had got stolen along his bitcoinhe is going to hell
ok can you guys stop mining
>>62577483Bipbros what happened? Luke said bip-110 had consensus.
>>62508806>>62508933Bitcoin has failed as money since BIP-110 failed, meaning there is no way really to prevent the miners from colluding or add restrictions that make it worth anything as money.Imagine you are foundry and you decide to go rogue, you start submitting txs that can fill the block space and compete with monetary transactions and because nobody else is rejecting these spam, the whole network accepts the work, so foundry can continue to submit gigantic datas and fill the blockand in between doing this you take your mined rewards and start selling them while stopping other people from moving their bitcoin at a reasonable pace.Then you decide you'll also change your node software to ignore blocks not from your miners, you roll out thousands of nodes simultaneously and in a scripted fashion to control the network.At first they do it subtly, just testing the water if anyone sees.Eventually when they have enough miners and nodes, they go full ham and flip a switch on their nodes that reject every block not mined by them, they now control over 50% of the nodes on the network from various ranges of core versions but modified with their changes and over 50% of the hash rate, nobody can stop them from increasing the total supply before they get to sell the inflated supply. Each block they mint 1 million btc and send it to various exchanges while simultaneously rejecting other blocks.Exchanges scramble to react but it's already too late.Turns out it wasn't foundry team who did it, but it was an rogue AI tasked to obtain more money.
>>62577519sorry but this makes zero sense, if some miner is rejecting every other nodes, first no one else will agree, second he will lose money, and if spam becomes a fee problem then other nodes will actually agree to do something about it unlike now, please
>>62576153Actually nodes that are accepting non-BIP110 blocks are more numerous than the BIP-110 nodes that reject such blocks.Meaning all it takes is a single block to not signal BIP-110 for the knots nodes to fork off while the rest of the nodes remain agreeing.Its different though if you, say, were allowing more data in op return, which are still valid blocks, but not all nodes understand that this can be done.What Luke did is create a hard fork node and advertised it as a soft fork. Either he doesn't understand that other nodes don't have to accept the bip blocks and can continue to accept the longest chain or he's just deceitful.What Luke needed was more than 50% of nodes or 50% of miners.With a majority of nodes supporting most bip 110 blocks would be accepted and non bip would fork off to its own chain. With a majority of miners supporting, most bip 110 blocks would be accepted and non bip would fork off to its own chain.Essentially, older nodes before bip110 such as core 27 still accept bip and nonbip blocks so does core v30 and 31 and so on. But since knots is rejecting blocks, it requires a majority to also reject them, which they won't.
>>62577027please kys, moronretarded troll
>>62576809Made me lol
>>62576809STOP THE COUNT!!!!
Attack on bitcoin. Simple as
Bitcoin Luke's Vision has not had a block in 38 hours.
now we can finally get the c_f_b vs dashjr that we were promised in the schizophrenic showdown of the century
>if you don't agree to add censorship to Bitcoin you're a pedo!Hope faggots learnt. Doubt it though. There will one day be another faggot trying to change Bitcoin with only a few dumbasses.
Bip editors are fed up with Luke too
Knots found an unorthodox way stop spam in the blocks, just stop having blocks. Core said it couldn't be done but knots really thought outside the box.
NO!NOOOO!!!KNOTS WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN!BIP110 WAS SUPPOSED TO WIN!I WAS SUPPOSED TO WEEEEN!!!>*inhales*BIP ONE TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!!!!!!
bdash bros... we had consensus...
>>62584109>bdash
Update: Luke has been removed as an admin of the BIP github. Luke and Mechanic have taken off from working at Ocean. Luke and his crew are creating a shitcoin with a different POW algorithm.
>>62581907>Luke Dashjr gets vacuumed and ass vored by grinface dabbing Michael Saylor
>>62584109In the good old days exchange would give me an airdrop
>>62580550fair but now at least one of the bip jannies is a literal epstein associate and no luke to counterbalance
>>62585850>fair but now at least one of the bip jannies is a literal epstein associatei dont give a shit about a single jew thats supposedly dead.>and no luke to counterbalanceif that limpwristed retard faggot was your only hope against whatever imagined culture or religious war you think is going on bitcoin was fucked since 2009next thing you see will be faggots claiming luke dash jr is the real satoshi
>>62585898>I don't give a shit about a mossad pedophile ring being heavily enmeshed at the heart of bitcoin developmentInteresting opinion.Your incomprehension of BIP 110 as censorship is also telling of your ignorance
>>62585946>mossadAs if cia would allow this large of an operation on American soil. Larger forces were in play.
Hold tight bdashers. Core got fired and the miners as well. Now they are throwing a tantrum and refuse to code our PoW change.
>>62585946>>Interesting opinion.not an opinion when i say i dont give a shit about something you need to proove and doesn't affect me in any way.>Your incomprehension of BIP 110 as censorship is also telling of your ignorance>sure you can spend your bitcoin BUT NOT LIKE THAT!!!most reddit stance of any shitcoin and now bip110 is a shitcoin. they want to change PoW and luke is talking about allocating coins for the roughnecks mining pool in this new shitcoin to make up for lost revenue. so luke is wanting a premine. he jeetscammed you.
This level of delusion needs to be studied.
>>62589955>every node impl. that isnt bitcoin core and bitcoin knots(a fork of bitcoin core) agrees with bitcoin core>WE ARE THE REAL BITCOIN! THSOE STUPID BTCD AND CORE NODES ARE ATTACKING THE NETWORK WITH CP! THINK OF THE CHILDRENim more angry that i had to switch from knots back to core because of this faggot.
Apparently "dark forces" are preventing Roughnecks from burning more money mining the stalled chain. I guess this is easier to admit to your cultists than that you ran out of money.
>>62580460How did you become such a retard? I can usually see both sides of an argument but I really can’t understand yours. Bitcoin Core is a dead shitcoin now because of you morons. You killed decentralization and you killed the core thesis and premise of Bitcoin and what gave it value. It may as well be Binance Coin now. You want to force every node to download loli pics and when a group fights back and says no we don’t want to download loli pics and my node isn’t for hosting whatever spam people want me to host, you call it censorship? How? It’s like if Microsoft allowed other people to paste loli pics into your Excel documents all of a sudden and you were forced to save them on your hard drive and you said hey what the fuck are you doing? and they say wahh stop censoring people. It’s the same thing.
>>62590688>4 blocks
>>62590688Use of block space is determined by the free market. If you don't like what other people are doing with the block space that they're paying market price for, then you should either outbid them or go find a centralized alternative that you control. Though that's exactly what you've been trying to do despite having a minority of the nodes, miners, and developers. A centralized solution would meet your needs. Try PayPal
Knot bitcoin fans are claiming that miners obviously wanted to stop bip110 and colluded.In their minds game theory dictated that miners would suddenly start signallling on activation day after not doing so for the entire signalling period. Not doing so means there were backdoor deals or whatever.They want to fire the miners/change PoW because the pools coordinated with each other. But this coordination was what you could actually predict via game theory.If the bip has 2% signalling rate, then a pool risks getting reorged if they start signalling on activation and others do not. Let's say F2pool starts suddenly signalling and a significant part does not (i.e does nothing). If F2pool rejects a non-bip110 block they risk getting left behind by the rest. Making sure to know that other large pools continue not signalling is absolutely necessary for a pool. You forced them into this situation.That's why you need an economic majority. this is why you want more than an irrelevant 2% of hashpower. Miners will be forced to follow the money, i.e. what the economic majority declares as bitcoin.Look at how absolutely retarded the bip110 masterminds were. Miners will comply with our 2% hashrate and 19% nodes because they just will!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLYe1f2-mQs
wait until Reverend Schizo finds out how many exchanges will want to list his dogshitfrom eating cats to eating catfood
>>62590688>You killed decentralizationBip110 coin is more centralized.Luke is now the authority on how it is runIt has 1 mining pool devoting hashpower that's only a part of the Ocean mining pool, the mining pool Luke works/worked for. Bip110coin hard forked and died thanks to an ocean miner that didn't signal bip110.>You want to force every node to download loli picsYou can still upload "loli pics" to bip110coin. You just have to break it up into multiple transactions.>you call it censorship? How?Because you are specifically targeting one type of data over others. The genesis block very famously has non-financial data in it. People use the Bitcoin block chain to copyright their book titles. And as stated earlier, bip110 doesn't even fix the problem. It's the deluded ideas of a single retard that went insane after losing 200 btc because he didn't properly secure his gentoo Linux desktop. Now that retard isn't plaguing btc anymore so good luck with whatever bip110coin rebrands itself as.
