>Do IQ test>Get top 2% score>Make slightly above median wageWhy tf am i like this boys
problem is most people who believe they are smarter never worked side by side with actual smart people. my uni time and the people I met at work thought me I am dumber than I always believed I am. humbling and eye opening experience.
>>62520177Top 2% is not that high anon.8.3 billion * 0.02 = 166 millionLet's *0.7 it to account for kids and old fucks.That's still 112 million adults.Top 2% is not rare.
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>>62520177Because your value isn't determined by how smart you are otherwise academia would be about making money and not trannies
>>62520196>Smart>TranniesMakes you wonder whether there are any smart people in academia
Eh. The smartest person in the world is a cattle rancher. High-IQ people just get on people's nerves in the workplace.
Because iq just shows you can complete a bunch of tasks, wordplay tricks and figure out a nonsense pattern in a bunch of geometrical shapes on paper, which have no bearing or connection to the real world. In the real world answering arbitrary dumb qu actions doesn't matter. What are your actual real world skills, what can you offer to the world to get you money? What abilities do you have? Correctly figuring out a pattern of dots in some cube or triangle is not gonna do it bub.
>>62520177high iq hurts more than it helps in clown world. slightly above average is the sweet spot. higher than that becomes more of a handicap than an advantage.
>>62520177>IQ only slightly above median>wage slightly above medianNot really seeing the problem here. Now if you were actually smart like me and in the top 0.05% or so then you'd be capable of pulling in significantly more than median salary. But 2% is fucking nothing, it just means you can breathe and chew gum at the same time, and nobody's paying extra for that.
You're probably too smart to take risks so you'll never get to experience the dunning Kruger curve. Being on the peak of Mount stupid then going through the valley of despair is the journey to financial enlightenment.
>>62520202American reading comprehension at its finest
real intellect is knowing when you're annoying or, contrary, not pushing enough emotional intellect or something idk no one expects you to solve math problems, the best skill to have on this planet is knowing when to shut up
>>62520177because taking iq tests is the actual iq test
>>62520177Congratulations, you have enhanced pattern recognition. Now go recognize a pattern that's gonna make you rich. Maybe if you stare at a row of rich people long enough you'll notice one.
>>62520177samsies everyone around me seethes
>>62520177making a lot of money isn't a result of doing a series of tasks or having a good idea.if you want to be a highly paid wagie, you need connections to get an interview, good social skills to do well on the interview, and even better social skills if you're a member of management or executive leadership. if you want to be a rich business owner, you obviously need people to buy your product. this means good social skills to understand marketing/advertising and good social skills to charm retards into giving you money in exchange for goods or services.
We should reserve a portion of high paying government jobs for individuals of a high IQ
You can be very smart, but if you're a lazy POS you'll be just as mediocre as anyone else.
>>62520730Sorry, those are reserved for low EQ narcissists.
>>62520177i took an IQ test once and got around 120, but if i took it today i would probably get around 90. i make 85k in NYC, which is probably about the median. i feel so dumb now.
>>62520739I got 112 as a teenager and 108 recently at twice the age. At least I'm a consistent midwit. I make 10% less than the median but the job is literally just me sitting around doing nothing in an office, often leaving early as well. I feel like it fits my lazy ass perfectly.
>>62520181It's true when you meet genuinely high IQ people it's very clear you're likely not high IQ. I knew a friend in uni who would show up stoned, put in 0 effort, didn't try at anything and he was top of the class. He quite literally didn't need to learn, it was like nothing I've ever seen. I thought he was cheating until I worked in a group project with him and just realized he was genuinely a genius on another plane of reality entirely.
Money is its own thing. Plus, there are the different types of intelligence and then the ability to apply intelligence.
>>62520664They're all founders and op is an employee?
>>62520757Yeah, in the tech world this is very common. People seem to think companies like Microsoft, Google, etc are filled with retards. But the reality is, they are filled with legit super-smart people. The kind that most people will never interact with. nvidia is like a PhD farm.
>>62520757My best friend is like this. It's actually terrifying sometimes. He's hypernumerant, so he can devise math models in his head to explain business ideas, while I'm still grappling with basic profit margin calculations.
>>62520184This98th percentile is a shitload of normies
>>6252029298 percentile is over 130 IQ. If OP wasn't lazy he would be in the top quartile of a high IQ profession like engineer or doctor.
>>62521168Laziness and high IQ go together
If you buck the trendline on IQ > Wealth and you're actually smart it means you have other flaws on other trendlines that hamper your earning ability.You can be 130IQ and a non-verbal autist you're going to have a harder time making money.
>>62520756yeah i usually only work 10am to 3pm and some of those days are just me standing around making sure a gauge doesn't move, the rest is doing stupid little reports that take me 15 minutes max. very lazy work. im grateful.
>>62520177If you think IQ tests online are legit than you are below average IQ by default
>>62520636That's an important factor. I used to think im a good listener but really id just sum up whatever someone was trying to tell me faster than they could put it into words and then id try to relate to what they said by inserting an experience of my own into the conversation.Sure, they feel like someone "understands" them for a moment but this type of interaction wears of quickly.My best advice is to just respond with "i hear you and that sounds tough"People dont want your opinions. They just want to be heard.
>People ITT not knowing the difference between IQ, smart, and successful...>Nobody ITT is bringing up the Big 5 (OCEAN) personality traits...>Nobody ITT is bringing up mental illness, or physical health...>Nobody ITT is bringing up nepotism, or proximity...Lmfao.
>>62520177Overthinking is detrimental.
>>62520181>>62520194135 IQ is around as "smart" as anyone can be. Anything above than that is getting into the realm min maxed brains and retarded savants. There's plenty of people with great memory who are turbo normies and not creatively inclined at all. Plenty of people who are math geniuses who are socially too retarded to do anything with it
>>62521198Enlighten us
>>62521213Im 154 but i smoked weed for a decade to achieve a reasonable 125. Normie maxing ftw
>>62521213It's like comparing a comparing supercar versus a Camry. Yeah the Bugatti will smoke the shit out of a Camry in a race but objectively speaking it's worse at everything else
>>62521220Do you feel dumb at all for trying to relate to other people by making car comparisons?You couldn't abstract what you were trying to say in a way that didnt hinge on people being tapped into your specific flavor of consumerism?Cattle.
> well basically its like when the bog car goes vrooom!Fucking retard.
>>62521198Something else no one talks about is COMT genes which a double roll of Met/Met can give your brain a natural Adderall level boost and functionally higher IQ for your entire life at the cost of crippling under immediate stress. Meanwhile the other flip side Val/Val gets you much better performance in stressful situations at the cost of becoming bored much faster doing mundane things. East Asian populations have much more the latter whereas white Europeans it's about even 25/50/25
>>62520194>>62520181>>62520177so interesting that everyone on the internet is 135 IQ. Most people that think they're 135 because of some bogus internet test are actually 105-110, hence the "whiplash" when you "meet someone actually smart".
>>62521239Midwits literally can't comprehend how much smarter other people are. They usually can't even recognize that smarter people exist4chan is an excellent example. Everyone here thinks they're the smartest person alive even though that's usually evidence of a very stupid person
>>62521229ok lets compare it to kitchen appliances. A specialized pineapple cutter is much more useful at cutting pineapples than a knife. But if you can only own one thing would you rather have a pineapple cutter or a knife
>>62521213Well there's a massive difference between a "raw" high IQ and a "trained" high IQ.I like the comparison of hardware and software. IQ is your hardware, and you can have a supercomputer, but the software - your upbringing, education, discipline, motivation, values - will play a massive role in how you use it.You can have a supercomputer that is used to just run cat memes, and you can use a shitty calculator to send a rocket to the moon.I feel incredibly dumb, lacking and inferior to people that I can sense really know their shit, are archmaster level in their fields, are very well mentally organised and think and process information with extreme clarity. They've mastered their own mind, and are utilizing it to it's seemingly maximum potential. I feel like they can run circles around me. (Un)Fortunately these people are extremely rare. I think I've only met like 3 such individuals in my life so far, 2 of them were very nice people that were very valued in their organizations. Personally I know I can't even compare to them, it's a different league. All 3 of them were very highly paid programmers btw.
>>62521247If you're high IQ you get tested repeatedly as a childChildren don't have "trained" IQ, whatever that is
>>62521244also there's so much IQ inflation because people call 120 IQ "midwit", when by definition 100 is midwit.
>>62521244>if you think people smarter than you do exist, it means you're dumb, because dumb people think they're smartYou tried to say something here, so A for effort
>>62521249Try learning to read
>>62521250In the US I think 98 is midwits.>>62521254Kek
>>62521246That doesnt even compare to your car analogy at all. You literally are too dumb to actually articulate your thoughts lmao.Im jealous. You do you.
>>62521257no I'm too smart to waste my time explaining how measuring IQ is doomed to fail by model overfitting and after a certain threshold IQ starts being less correlated with intelligence and more correlated with being good at IQ tests
>>62520177There was a great study made by Hunter on intelligence and whole life outcomes, including real income. There is a strong correlation, up to a point, but it's not deterministic.Tl;dr - people with IQ of 110 will generally earn more than people with IQ 90, but it doesn't mean you're "supposed to be rich" after a certain point. It's just averages, and both poor and rich people exist across the entire IQ distribution, but with very different proportions.Also there was a very interesting study on IQ outliers (IQ 140+) that tracked them for entire life since childhood. The hypothesis was that these "gifted" children will become over achievers, win Nobel prizes, solve complex problems, become millionaires running companies etc. The actual findings were very surprising - for vast majority of the people tracked (~80% of them) they didn't really achieve anything out of the ordinary, or the achievement levels were similar to average in general population. The 20% that did overachieve had one factor in common - rich parents.High IQ alone doesn't equal outstanding life outcomes. High IQ + money equals outstanding results.I don't remember the name of the lead researcher but it's a famous study, it ran for ~80 years IIRC.
>>62521249>If you're high IQ you get tested repeatedly as a childProbably this depends on where you live
>>62521275Generally speaking anywhere capable of producing geniuses is actively testing for themThere's a lot of nutrition, medical, and technological requirements
>>62521271>measuring IQ is doomed to fail by model overfitting and after a certain threshold IQ starts being less correlated with intelligence and more correlated with being good at IQ testsDo you just talk to idiots all day or why didnt you make that point straight away?I do agree.
>>62521286It's always weird to me to see highly intelligent people who haven't even realized you need to define intelligence to measure it and then gone on to figure out what exactly it is and how it works.Psychologists and anthropologists can't figure it out but they're usually not that smart
>>62521279I wanted to say that where I grew up (post-soviet hellscape) there were no such tests, but yeah actually there were. At age of 9 or 10 I had good grades (despite not even having any textbooks because my single mother couldn't afford them for all the kids, we had no heating or warm water, so during winter water froze overnight in glasses in living spaces, textbooks were far on priority list) and I was asked to take tests, had talks with some recruiters (basically interviews) and qualified for an "elite" class. It was the same facility as all the other kids, same teachers, same non-existent budget, but all the kids in the class were supposedly gathered from multiple schools based on their grades. This initiative was conducted by Germany, we had extra German language classes, received German literature books, had 2 trips to Germany with other kids from other post-soviet states. I remember being mercilessly bullied by the German lang teacher because I didn't had any textbooks, she was a nasty cunt always picking on me.But apart from like 2 free books and the trips to Germany there was absolutely nothing special about this program. I didn't properly study with a textbook until I was 17.
>>62521315Yep. That's pretty normal in the US alsoThe classes weren't anything great, but you WERE tested
Irrelevant blogpost, don't bother to read this>>62521315>I didn't properly study with a textbook until I was 17.I have a very fond memory of this, because it was the first time when I had an opportunity to do this and the motivation to actually do it. By that time I've read about 80 or 90 books rented from free use libraries or downloaded pdfs. But I've never sat down and studied from a textbook before, because I was very biased against cunt teachers, and got good grades anyway. Also after school there were usually 2 events at home, either getting physically abused or dragged to my mothers workshop where we've labored for hours, often overnight. So at night I would read fantasy books or listen to a small handheld radio I got as a gift, whenever I could get my hands on enough change to buy batteries for the thing.I remember stealing from my mothers purse to buy some food. I remember rats coming out of the holes in the walls. I remember our mother sent us with buckets to ask neighbors for warm water so we could get clean. Memories I haven't revisited for a long time.
>>62521215Ask Google Gemini, ChatGPT, or Microsoft CoPilot.
>>62521238Very interesting. Thank you fren.
>>62521213This a super stupid statement. You must have never worked with anyone truly, prodigiously smart. I measured 136 in high school and I'm pretty damn smart. But I've worked with a surprising number of people who blow me away entirely. Like different sport entirely. And I don't mean "specialist" intelligence like a pure math wizard. I mean people with just raw, huge amounts of horsepower. Silicon Valley is filled with people like this.
>>62520177Yeah, me too. Turns out access to capital is a much bigger deal. Don't feel bad.
>>62521213>>62521220This is how we know you are neither smart, nor have ever met someone who is.
>>62520177Because most of you here have 0 driveT. Avg IQ, 300k salary, married to CPA making 115k
>>62521575Average IQ probably can't navigate to 4chan or solve the capcha
>>62520181>believeddddddddddddddddddOP has actual quantifiable proof of 'smartness' you obnoxious seething midwit.
>>62521246High intelligence isn't specialized though, it's extremely generalized. That's how it was discovered, the various armies in WW1 were giving their millions of conscripts batteries of aptitude tests to quickly slot them into the various specialties that technology was creating. But they discovered that the people who were good at one skill tended to be good at all of them, and vice versa for those that were bad at one skill tended to be bad at all of them. They calculated this baseline score that crossed multiple independent tests and called it General Intelligence, which is what IQ tests attempt to measure - the generalizable effect of an individual's intelligence.
>>62521432>Silicon Valley is filled with people like this.>new jeetland is actually 200 iqelon musk midwit hands made this post
>>62521580>OP has actual quantifiable proofHe certainly didn't post any
>>62521586Because you're too dumb to astral project into his head.
>>62521249This seems unlikely. I have a fairly high IQ (158 on the Weschler) and was given an IQ test exactly once. Once you've gotten a reputable IQ test done you don't really need another. It is true that taking lots of IQ tests tends to increase your score on IQ tests, but it doesn't actually increase your general intelligence. If you really want to increase your IQ score, swipe a copy of the answer key beforehand and memorize the answers.
>>62521599>they didn't test new IQ tests on him for calibration purposes
>>62521599Actually I take it back, I also took the ASVAB in high school which was standard at the time, don't know if it still is. Anyway, the ASVAB includes the AFQT which is a straight-up IQ test. So I guess I've taken two IQ tests. Never found out my score on the AFQT, that's in a database somewhere in Virginia and probably China.
>>62521754Both are limited in granularity.The highest score is 99th which is roughly 140 IQIt doesn't really measure higher than that. Also if you 99 the asvab they retest you several times. There's only 3 versions of the test so if you're actually high IQ you'll memorize the answers pretty quick
>>62521766Well they retest if you join the military anyways. Then they pull you aside and give you a proctored RPM
>>62521769Then they spend the next 4 years telling you to go to OCS
>>62521769>they pull you aside and give you a proctored RPMBecause the asvab lacks resolution
>>62521238Can you tell me more about this?
>>62521857It's pseudoscience. Ignore it.
>>62521864Descriptive science is still scienceIt just has varying utility for prediction
>>62521769I didn't join the military. Supposedly the high school councilors got the results, but they already had my Weschler results (req'd for admission) and didn't bother bringing up my ASVAB results so I guess it didn't tell them anything new.>>62521603The Weschler includes experimental and calibration sections. Afterwards I was interviewed for over an hour by the psychologist, though I'm not sure if that's a standard part of the Weschler exam or not.
>>62521774I think you mean it lacks range. I'm not an expert on IQ tests, but the AFQT was one of the main IQ tests that the book "The Bell Curve" relied on, where it was described as having better resolution than dedicated IQ tests (and more common IQ proxies like the SAT verbal section) due to having been tuned on every male in the US for many years - but only within its relatively narrow range.
Okay so IQ is genetic and set in place yada yadaWhat about drive? What about focus? Work ethic? I swear I'm smarter than my father but he worked 7 days a week for two years and now owns his own business making $120k a year. I make $15 an hour.
To succeed in life you often have to be dumb enough to actually take risks despite the chance of success being very low.110-125 is the goldilocks zone of intelligence. You're smart enough to get ahead, but not so smart that you turn into a pussy who overanalyzes every little thing
>>62522997>drive>focus>work ethicRem acu tetigisti. These are much more important than raw IQ in nearly every situation. Richard Feynman won the Nobel prize in Physics with an IQ of 119.
>>62520177im top 3 percent and live off of V0.2
>>62521213that is wrong because there are many types of IQ that averaged score means nothing because you can be 145 in memory and 100 in logical reasoning, now people call this person a genius but also a retard - and they are right and now people with a real high iq (an iq similar in all aspects) get a bad rep
>>62523761also, this entire thread shows that none of you even understand IQ and the different opinions stem from this.
>>62520177"huh high IQ" is the final refuge of the underachiever who never puts real effort into excelling at anything
>>62520181>thought me I am dumberperhaps you are kek
>>62520177>>62521273
>>62520184Correct.>>62521167Nearly all of Harvard/Yale/Stanford law's non DEI have/have had an LSAT score that places them above the 99.9th percentile. Your typical Harvard law kid is pretty sharp but not really a super genius. And you're a filthy brainlet compared to them.Like holy shit bro you're not even the smartest person at the checkout at a grocery store most of the time. (Especially if we talk about a Whole Foods in a HCOLA area). Normies have a really hard time separating the concepts of "above average" and "well above average" from like a 3-7+ sigma outlier and the consequences that follow.Especially once we control for "people who matter" and the non-random assortment of well-adjusted people living and working around each other, the shit that blows normies minds is just totally fucking typical around people who make it.Like I've never had a formal IQ test, but I scored near perfects on my SATs/LSATs, always been a part of gifted shit. My wife was similarly performing. Our daughter is 4 and is reading at a 10th grade level, has been going through a year of school curricula in a month or two. And now, that is pretty impressive, but compared to the average peer of mine that's only merely notable. Breastfeed kids, cut the fluoride, choline maxx, omega-3 maxx and creatine maxx while skipping all the normie alcohol and drugs against a good genetic profile the outcomes get good. My friend's kid is 10 and starting calculus. His IQ is something in the 170s, formally evaluated by a premier gifted child psychiatrist in Colorado, which I know because he's been accepted to the Profoundly Gifted Retreat for 160-175 IQ+ kids. Aced the SAT about a year ago. Anyways, the parents were double Yalies (and White, no DEI, no legacy, pre covid) so not unpredictable.Anyways you're unremarkable intelligence-wise among people who have made it so unless you've got some hustle or connections you're fucked
>>62524343The problem for most of these people is that the don't -work- with actual smart people. They brush up against them from time to time. But they only ever interact with people regarding mundane shit. So like to grandma, "he's so smart, he knows how to work the computer" is their baseline. They've never actually worked on anything truly technical and/or difficult so they have no way to understand the giant gap between the Very Smarts and the Big Smarts.
>>62520177>>62520181Load ze demoralisation. You vill never be smart. You vill never make it. Now back to ze cage.
>>62524211Interesting
