>>62521292
Midwit General. Monero is a utility. You're all silly moonboys who aren't growing any wealth

>>62521296
>Those interested in XMR aren't on KYC'ed CEXes so no buyers and no sellers.
>I have no conception of anyone in the world outside my little agorism community

>>62521292
Kayabanerve (aka Mr. Proof of Stake) doesn’t even try to make the case that it’s not possible for an exchange to “demand” (really, “retain” is the right word, for a CEX) your view keys. His argument is………..it just snowballs out of control???? Not really an argument at all, actually. Just some nice words for people to glom onto.

CARROT and new regulations will REQUIRE CEXes to retain view keys when you CREATE AN ACCOUNT on there. The use of the term “wallet” for a cex is probably needlessly confusing. These are accounts on a controlled website. They’ll retain your view keys for auditing purposes on the account you sign up for on the website they own. That’s the real flow of things.

Despite that one idiot’s contention that…..nobody will buy Monero if it’s on Binance kek…they will lol. Millions will. It will be very popular, just like it was before. And we will be flooded by normies. Market makers. Manipulators. The same people who destroyed every other coin. AND it will allow authorities to create a VERY complex context web of Monero addresses and activity, thereby directly reducing your privacy.

THANKS KAYABANERVE!!!!

>Ad homenim
>I didn't read Kayaba's argument
>They will do all this stuff that they could do right now with similar effectiveness but aren't because......they just will, ok?
LMAO

I’ll buy a couple just in case moon…and because John was a wild man, just like me.

FCMP++ status?

>>62521482
Peas and CARROTs

>>62521622
when is it launching?

>>62521390
>didn’t read the rebuttal
>we can trust CEXes to never do anything to harm Monero :)

>>62521623
Soon :)

>CEXs will do harm to Monero by listing it
>They're going to wait til FCMP++ launches to do this, when there's no guarantee that any planned attacks on the protocol will work
>Instead of doing it now while there are several well known provably exploitable weaknesses in the current protocol
LMAO

>>62521665
>no guarantee that any planned attacks
>literally just coding an account creation system that also retains view keys is a “””planned attack“””

>CEXa can literally just code an account creation system that also retains view keys
>Doing this now would provably weaken the security of ring signatures
>But CEXs won't do this now
>They're going to wait for FCMP++
>Where they'll have no idea to what degree an account creation system that also retains view keys would weaken the security of FCMP circuits
>Or if it would weaken it at all
<Because.....they just will ok?
LMAO
M
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>>62522220
>let’s just trust CEXes to care about the security of FCMP circuits instead of MONEY and POWER
>im going to totally ignore all other things like regulatory regimes and laws and just declare that the only reason CEXes didn’t do anything with Monero the last few years is because of altruism

>let’s just trust CEXes to care about the security of FCMP circuits instead of MONEY and POWER that they could make right now by listing XMR and regulating it with the current protocol and current tracing tools available to them right now
>No, I won't explain what they're waiting for

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Y'all are missing the point of the CARROT "FUD" here. Its actually a moonfag red herring being used to slyly push the "OH NOES, looks like Monero will be made compliant will thus inevitably be relisted on CEXs soon" meme with the subtle implication that this totally plausible scenario will somehow result in an epic pump (lol) so hurry up and ape in b4 you're priced out!

>If you've been paying attention you know 10/10 revealed the degree to which these players control ALL coins. They're responsible for 99.999% of the market cap. The moment XMR is added back to exchanges, this will also be true for it.

>You obviously don’t understand how rich MMs are. They would pump the price to thousands overnight and they would keep it there with their own methods. Just, a little tiny catch, it comes at the expense of Moneros privacy.

>Your little farmers market agorism businesses are no match for market makers and retarded retail. Monero WILL be 99% MMs and retail once it goes back on CEXes. And, unfortunately, CARROT makes this completely doable from a regulatory standpoint.

See? It's just another cringe bag pumping ploy disguised as le genuine concern. "Unfortunately", lol give me a fucking break! Never forget that moonfags don't actually care about Monero and its adoption, economic growth, etc, everything they say or do all boils down to securing exit liquidity for themselves and nothing more. Which is why they get the rope.

It bears repeating that there is virtually zero chance of XMR being relisted because unlike all other coins, XMR is actually used and used in such a way that the State simply has to treat it like a viable threat. Relisting XMR makes no sense when you're actively trying to stifle the growth of a global P2P underground economy, when you're actively trying to cut unregulated entrepreneurs off from convenient off-ramping, it simply is not going to happen and we're going to have to rely on an expansive network of DEXs for all future liquidity.

>>62522504
>I won't explain what they're waiting for
I have explained it, but I guess I need to do it again for the caved in head retards in the back.

They’re waiting for CARROT, the very upgrade that ALLOWS them to list Monero in a complaint way. They can’t do it today without full view keys. Monero is still too private. CARROT changes this, allows them to list, invites in hordes of retards, does in fact pump the price like >>62522504 says, but also kills Monero’s privacy.

You want to call me a moonfag red herring but it’s actually you idiots who are doing that. Inviting in the CARROT Trojan Horse based solely on the reputation of kayabanerve (whether you admit it or not) meanwhile that very update will create the normie moonfag coin you say you’re against.

You’ve been brain broken by agorist crabbing for almost a decade now and you’ve psychologically convinced yourself your own moonfag update is actually an amazing improvement in privacy kek

>>62522653
Meant to tag >>62522630 too.

>XMR is actually used and used in such a way that the State simply has to treat it like a viable threat.
That’s exactly why they’re going to relist it. To give it the ZEC treatment. Sure, XMR will moon, but listing it brings in a tidal wave of normies who will overwhelm the culture and make 99% of transactions occur on CEXes with no privacy. If you actually want to kill Monero, LIST IT. So they will.

>>62521322
>>I have no conception of anyone in the world outside my little agorism community
>MMs
Already got Zec and no way to compromise XMR's dev. Also no potential buyers
>Normies
No interest in XMR
>Privacy enthusiasts
No interest in a KYC'ed CEX
>Already existing XMR user
Got alternatives and not interest in a KYC'ed CEX
So which user group remains? Divorced women in their 40s? Dog owners? Fish?

>>62521333
>His argument is………..it just snowballs out of control????
The argument is that your logic is wrong. You arbitrarily say 'Oh this thing will happen but this other thing that is just as justified as the first won't'.
>CARROT and new regulations will REQUIRE CEXes to retain view keys when you CREATE AN ACCOUNT on there.
No, AML laws still don't work like this.
>That’s the real flow of things.
And it takes much longer than any user just downloading the gui wallet and creating his own wallet.
>they will lol. Millions will.
See above.
>AND it will allow authorities to create a VERY complex context web of Monero addresses and activity, thereby directly reducing your privacy.
And then they will send you a letter to give up your view keys because they deanonymized you right?

Come back once you understand the difference between opt-in and opt-out privacy.

>>62522220
>>62521665
No, the point is that CARROT will not release before FCMP++.

>>62522630
I was guessing he wanting cheapies, honestly doesn't matter since his argumentation is too retarded.

>>62522685
>just declares that nobody outside his little agorism commune would ever want to buy XMR. No evidence required.
>STILL refuses to even entertain the idea of what a CEX ACCOUNT is and how it fundamentally differs from wallets
You’re aggressively retarded bro. Not wasting much time on you this thread there’s simply no point

>>62522698
>>just declares that nobody outside his little agorism commune would ever want to buy XMR. No evidence required.
Why would normies be interested in XMR? Remember, in the last thread you claimed that it's only value stems from it being an sov which according to you is not given once relisting happen.
>>STILL refuses to even entertain the idea of what a CEX ACCOUNT is
Irrelevant since you don't understand that AML laws still require of them for you to also be KYC'ed so no one's selling to a CEX anyway
>and how it fundamentally differs from wallets
Also irrelevant since users want something to transfer their XMR to. They won't care if it's a CEX account (which still has a wallet, I don't know why you think they don't) or a wallet, but they will care if one takes multiple hours to create while the other is up and running in minutes.

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Ive tried wrapping my head around the carrot issue by having a conversation with AI.
From what i gather exchanges could always and probably have always handed over their xmr transaction history to glowniggers.
Carrot just makes it possible to hand over that data automatically as opposed to manually handing over your database.

Am I wrong in my understanding of this?

Later this year, when FCMP/CARROT is implemented, Monero will quickly pump to the $2,000 range. People in this very general will be celebrating.

They’ll consider it a major win for privacy (kek). They’ll believe it is the most significant upgrade in moneros history, and cements it as the greatest currency ever created.

Shortly afterwards, major exchanges will begin relisting. This will reveal that a major reason behind the pump was accumulation by exchanges. Still, people in this general will wave it off. Who cares if Binance brought it back? They listed us for years and nothing bad happened anyway! What could go wrong?

A few people notice subtle changes in the UI, the ToS, something about the data required to maintain an account? Idk whatever. Monero is pumping (remember how we were against moonfags? Kek).

Then come the arrests. A few notable hackers and members of the community who had some “private coins” in exchanges had their view keys used to track their activity. It’s fine, that’s a human problem. Opsec failure.

Slowly but surely, the view keyed accounts on Binance, Coinbase, build a massive database of metadata and context to drastically reduce Moneros privacy. But because of the squeaky clean reputation of Monero, nobody believes it actually has an effective privacy leak.

Gentlemen, I’ll see you on the moon. Just………don’t think nobody is surveilling your trip ;-)

>>62522721
Replying to tell you I’m done replying. It’s like talking to an autistic kid who reverts back to his ticks after every interaction. You’re a horrible representative of the Monero community

>>62522738
>Then come the arrests. A few notable hackers and members of the community who had some “private coins” in exchanges had their view keys used to track their activity.

What do you mean by this? If your xmr is in an exchange you dont even have a wallet to hand over a viewkey. Your transactions are entirely transparent to the exchange.

>>62522752
Opsec problem, outside of scope for Monero ;-) kek

Basically thats just an argument against CEXs or rather any exchange platform that stores transaction data, no?

>>62522755
Im genuinely trying to have a conversation here. Im not interested in playing some gotcha game.
>>62522757

>>62522757
Yes it is an anti-CEX statement. But nobody cares enough to oppose the update that makes Monero CEX-compliant (CARROT).

When it is allowed back on exchanges, it becomes the same as zcash: 99% of transactions on exchanges, effectively minimal privacy.

>>62522759
Ok I can understand that. I dont think that this will prevent people from using xmr as anonymous digital cash though.
Or are you arguing that de-anonymising the entire network is a risk here? I think the only people at risk would be the people using CEXs in a very specific way making probabilistic analysis possible. But even then thats exactly what possible now.

I also think that DEXs are just as capable of tracking and storing transaction histories and probably offering them for sale. The only difference being that CEXs have more data because of KYC.

But now were back to status quo: KYC sucks

>>62522759
>99% of transactions on exchanges, effectively minimal privacy.

Buying and selling xmr on an exchange isnt a real xmr transaction though and has no bearing on the privacy of the network. It feels like youre conflating some things.

>>62522736
Pretty much

>>62522738
>They’ll consider it a major win for privacy (kek).
How is FCMP++ not a win? Please explain what FCMP++ is and what it does. Ideally start with unpacking the acronym
>>62522738
>Shortly afterwards, major exchanges will begin relisting.
No, the big issues CEXes had were with the KYCing part. Also, and I don't know why you ignore this (that's a lie, I do know why), it's easily fought by just having a second wallet, an approach we had 3 YEARS AGO.
>This will reveal that a major reason behind the pump was accumulation by exchanges
No, they'll once again claim it was hackers. They never will allow XMR to grow massively.
>something about the data required to maintain an account?
CEXes already got this, AML laws are nothing new.
>Then come the arrests.
How are they going to deanonymize you? Remember: Privacy != anonymity
>the view keyed accounts on Binance, Coinbase, build a massive database of metadata and context to drastically reduce Moneros privacy.
That's not how anonymity works. Your posts on 4chan are public (meaning non-private) but anonymous.
>the squeaky clean reputation of Monero,
lol

>>62522759
>But nobody cares enough to oppose the update that makes Monero CEX-compliant (CARROT).
Because it literally doesn't and I told you ten times already.
>When it is allowed back on exchanges,
It won't be
>it becomes the same as zcash:
No because XMR is private by default, zcash has optional privacy.
>99% of transactions on exchanges,
You still haven't said why. Literally no one has a reason to sell to a CEX and no one has a reason to buy from a CEX
>effectively minimal privacy.
And none of this reduces your anonymity.

>>62522758
Notice how he won't tell you why you can't use a second wallet? Or who exactly is just waiting for XMR to be on a CEX so he can finally buy XMR? I suggest you read the previous thread too, starting from >>62514724. Feel free to check out his previous posts in which he claimed that all that matter is ngu

>>62522777
>But now were back to status quo: KYC sucks
Yes, but he doesn't understand this. He thinks AML laws just require someone to track the wealth transfer through a financial instrument but not the sender and recipient.

>>62522787
>XMR is private by default
>use a second wallet
You will LITERALLY say this in the same post and not realize how retarded it is. Truly insane. Get some help.

>no one has a reason to buy from a CEX
You have an astonishingly low opinion of your own coin and an inconceivable lack of a mental model of anyone other than yourself. I literally 100% believe you have a mental illness. It’s not normal to be this brain dead.

> who exactly is just waiting for XMR to be on a CEX
Normies (95% of people)
Market makers (95% of liquidity)
Pretty big deal actually

XMR vs ZEC (on exchanges)

ZEC
>yeah it’s not private on the exchange but just transfer to another pool and you’ll have privacy

XMR
>yeah it’s not private on the exchange but just transfer to another ***WALLET*** and you’ll have privacy

If you literally believe that the semantic difference between pool and wallet has some massive legal implication you’re just delusional.

This coin really is the funniest. Everyone else worried about price meanwhile here
>yeah the coin will moon ofc but who cares heres 3 paragraphs of autism

>They’re waiting for CARROT, the very upgrade that ALLOWS them to list Monero in a complaint way.
>Instead of just requiring today's view keys + key images.
>They can’t do it today without full view keys, even though today's view keys + key images would give them the same amount of information
>Monero is still too private with 16 rings
>CARROT changes this somehow

>>62522685
Correct, but I'm trying to keep things simple because he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, nor is he interested in knowing.

>>62522757
>>62522758
Correct, but the problem is that the anti-CEX argument still works today. There's literally no reason to wait for the next hard fork to make Monero 'compliant' in this manner. CEXs would just need to demand you share your view key + all key images associated with your address.
The CARROT fud isn't fudding CARROT, FCMP++, or even view keys. It's fudding Monero.

>>62522820
But its not private on an exchange regardless of carrot or not.

>>62522828
They won’t list it pre-carrot because it doesn’t have enough auditability

>>62522812
>You will LITERALLY say this in the same post and not realize how retarded it is. Truly insane. Get some help.
Yes, private by default. CEX is not the default. If you still chose to give up you privacy you could easily retake it.
>You have an astonishingly low opinion of your own coin
No I have a high opinion of other people, hence them realizing not to use a CEX.
>It’s not normal to be this brain dead.
Says a guy who already said he'd stop responding twice.
>Normies (95% of people)
No, they don't care for XMR
>Market makers (95% of liquidity)
They could just easily buy XMR right now. They are not under AML laws as long as they're not a CEX.

>>62522820
>If you literally believe that the semantic difference between pool and wallet has some massive legal implication you’re just delusional.
No, the difference is what is happening by default.
XMR: Private by default, but you can choose to fuck up your privacy
ZEC: Public by default, but you can choose to have some privacy.

>>62522824
>nor is he interested in knowing.
Yeah, that's sadly his issue.

>>62522822
We've had problems with moonfags, they even tried to do a malicious take over of the general. We've added some more neutral language now to the general's OP.

>>62522833
AML laws don't just require it to be auditable, they problem is and remains KYC.

>>62522669
>That’s exactly why they’re going to relist it. To give it the ZEC treatment.
ZEC is safe to list precisely because nobody actually uses it, you fucking imbecile. If ZEC was being used to facilitate untaxable agorist commerce on a global scale, reward ransomware pirates and evade sanctions it would also get the Monero treatment.

Its the actual use of Monero that makes it problematic, not its privacy per se. Piratechain is technically more private than Monero (not for much longer) but who cares when literally nobody is using it? Listing ARRR on Coinbase thus wouldn't be detrimental to anybody.

In other words, as long as Monero is actually being used in ways that facilitate crime, threaten the State and undermine its authority, there will be no relisting on CEXs. GUARENTEED! Start a bet on Polymarket if you're convinced otherwise, I double dare you, motherfucker.

>Sure, XMR will moon
See, fellas? This is exactly what I was talking about, the CARROT "FUD" is all just a moonfag red herring for pointing out how XMR is totally going the moon very soon, don't miss out!

>but listing it brings in a tidal wave of normies who will overwhelm the culture and make 99% of transactions occur on CEXes with no privacy. If you actually want to kill Monero, LIST IT. So they will.
I'm constantly impressed by the level of utter horseshit moonfags will resort to when trying to rustle up some hype.

>>62522685
>I was guessing he wanting cheapies, honestly doesn't matter since his argumentation is too retarded.
Nobody has ever accused Mav of being bright.

>>62522738
>Later this year, when FCMP/CARROT is implemented, Monero will quickly pump to the $2,000 range.
>Gentlemen, I’ll see you on the moon.
And there we have it, fellas, this is what its all about, the CARROT "FUD" is all just padding, he's not arguing in good faith here so you're just wasting your time.

Remember to take screenshots to remind Mav how cringe he is when nothing he predicts actually happens.

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>>62522906
>>Sure, XMR will moon
>See, fellas? This is exactly what I was talking about, the CARROT "FUD" is all just a moonfag red herring for pointing out how XMR is totally going the moon very soon, don't miss out!

>>62522913
XL+ANrSj is a confirmed moonfag. I linked you to one of his posts earlier.

>>62522906
>the CARROT "FUD" is all just a moonfag red herring for pointing out how XMR is totally going the moon very soon, don't miss out!

I'll add that the CARROT fud also adds distrust in the network and community, which is a real goal for glowies.

See: https://academic.oup.com/cybersecurity/article/7/1/tyab004/6166133

>The ultimate aim of new tools in the blockchain space should be to reduce the economic value of the outlawed native cryptocurrency whose value drives the operation of a given platform, in particular by reducing trust in the stability and security of the network. If effective, means that reduce the value of the cryptocurrency will therefore reduce the number of the network’s users and nodes. The decreasing number of users and nodes (and thus the decreasing infrastructural and political decentralization [66]) should automatically reduce blockchain security. Networks underlying the privacy-coins will then become more vulnerable to further attacks on their currencies or any activities reducing the value of given privacy coins, which can be systematically repeated by a government until the virtual assets cease to be accepted for payments or used for investment purposes.

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I wanna support the project. I don't expect to make money mining.

What do you guys think of this setup? Just looking for something cheap to get into things.

>>62523461
IMO anything you got lying around is plenty. If you are looking to buy something I'd keep an eye out for minipcs, there are some second hand ones on ebay.

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Monero. Put your money where you mouth isn't (get it?)

>>62523592
>I'd keep an eye out for minipcs, there are some second hand ones on ebay.

I'll look into that. Thank you.

If anyone thinks I’ve left, think again. Still here, just need a break from all these moonfag CARROT supporters (mooncarrots). So fucking annoying how these people willingly and knowingly compromise Monero’s security just to get relisted on Binance.

Fuck you mooncarrots

>>62524383
>If anyone thinks I’ve left, think again.
Nobody thinks that, we all know what a pathological narcissist you are, Mav.

>>62524513
Fuck off mooncarrot. And Mav has literally been parading around looking forward to relistings the whole past week so i don’t know what you’re talking about

For comtext

https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1v4ecbj/moneros_new_view_keys_will_allow_it_to_become/

Imagine believing anything Mav says

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>>62524383
>mooncarrot
Our time will come, mooncarrot brothers

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/s/TVPrV9y3FC

The C in IRCG js for chad.

>>62525288
IRGC*
<_<

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Monero Maverick is Satoshi Nakamoto.

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>>62525288
based as fuck

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>relistings will send Monero to the moon!

it's over

>>62524383
>Guys, you're totally the moonfags
>Please forget that I called you agorist from the very beginning (>>62521322)

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>>62525576
>Monero Maverick is Satoshi Nakamoto.
You can tell he truly cares about Monero, that pedostache don't lie.

>>62526503
You can’t fool us you fucking mooncarrot

We know you only want view keys to pump the price on exchanges

>>62527047
Isn't that your goal too? See >>62435326

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>>62527047
Nice try, Mav but Monero continues to be a TERRIBLE INVESTMENT and there's nothing you can do about it. But I'm sure you'll try kek.

xmr will go $10K AND I very probably spent more XMR than you you fucking tourists
cope & seethe you false dichotomy niggers

>>62527292
XMR users don't care about you making money, they care about you being an only ngu matters moonfag

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>>62527047
>either thinks the mooncarrot ideology is stoppable, or doesn’t understand mooncarrots

Where the fuck am I supposed to buy XMR now when KUKOIN exchange is banned in Europe?

>>62527439
I'm sorry anon but you have to wait until it's all deanonymized and on a CEX. You simply have no other solution

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>>62527292
>xmr will go $10K
kek you so need this to happen ASAP, huh? Your desperation is palpable lmao

Remember kids: those posting such bombastic price predictions are those who bought in recently and who can't earn XMR in the meantime, cringey moonfagging is all they're capable of. Sad.

>>62527439
>Where the fuck am I supposed to buy XMR now when KUKOIN exchange is banned in Europe?
Easy: just wait until CARROT introduces the >>TOTALLY BRAND NEW FEATURES<< that finally make Monero uber-compliant, all the CEXs will immediately relist it. Ask Mav about it, he's got it all figured out.

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>>62527439
trocador for swaps
retoswap for fiat, picrel

>>62527846
>trocador
isn't this a scam?

>>62528438
no, its created by the dev of the Monerujo wallet

>>62528570
>Status: Your transaction expired because no deposit was received by the chosen provider.
yet I can clearly see on the eth scanner that the address I was supposed to send the eth to is there lol nice scam

>>62530525
Assuming you're not lying and have all your tx details, why not just contact support:
support@trocador.app
@TrocadorSupportBot

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>>62530525
what this anon said >>62531578
>picrel

>>62530525
>lol nice scam
I've personally used Trocador with 5 figure amounts numerous times, never had an issue.

What happens sometimes is a protracted settlement, scares ya into thinking something bad happened. But it always works out, be patient.

Xibbe stream is always chill and exciting gameplay. I recommend it

>>62532392
wrong thread. ignore that

>>>/g/109396583
Some fed tried the CARROT fud on /g/ and got told

>>62533102
Yeah, it's fed glownigger FUD'ing.
Just report as trolling and move on.

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>>62521292

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> no one cared who I was until I put on the mask

Finally

The cancer that is 'monerochan' seems to be in remission. Praise Jesus Christ

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>>62534898

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Network vulnerability when running a node using TOR

>"It doesn't break ring signatures, stealth addresses, or RingCT
>It doesn't allow reading the content of Monero transactions
>It doesn't de-anonymize users who don't use Tor this way (or who use Tor correctly with other precautions)

It's a network attack... it exploits how Monero and Tor interact together, not the on-chain crypto

The Monero Research Lab is discussing it tomorrow, July 29"

https://x.com/KuptoKosmos/status/2082207544626339930

>>62521292
i don't know shit about crypto beside surface level stuff.. i just want a way to fund my monero wallet to pay for some no kyc service, i looked up on reddit and they said kraken or localmonero but the latter is dead now and kraken seems like a lot of work.
What other alternatives are there

Kek xmr baggies are so pathetic,,, just keep holding for 35 more years and you might be able to biy a cheeseburger,,, maybe LMAO

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>>62536716
See >>62527846
Ignore the fudder reply.
>>62536747
Oh no my "non existent gains" kys

>>62536987
magnificent chart

>>62536716
>i just want a way to fund my monero wallet to pay for some no kyc service
Cake Wallet. Buy Litecoin with your debit card then swap it to Monero in the swap tab.

>>62537047
What are you, some kind of mooncarrot? What do you care about this “chart” thing?

Only mooncarrots care about price performance in fiat currency. We REAL Monero bros actually celebrate when the so called “price” goes down, just like we celebrate delistings.

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>>62542513
>wah

>>62542654
Exactly bro. These mooncarrots can’t earn ANYTHING. They think this is some “investments” board like they’re going to make money out of THIN AIR just by the appreciation of some asset they hold hahahaha!

Meanwhile we real Monero chads understand bartering is the only legitimate way to earn wealth. I sell my cheese, I bake my bread, I haggle over 0.0001 XMR. It matters. It’s not much, but it’s honest work. All these losers can go off and buy lambos, houses, businesses, women, political connections, literal influence over world events, islands, boats, helicopters, private jets, commission artwork, fund charities and philanthropy, travel and see the world, hire staff to make life easier, support their children and family, use their money to make even more money with diversification and cash flow, etc etc …… and all these other STUPID things that people with no VISION actually care about.

And what’s it all get them? NOTHING. That’s what we agorists understand. Monero could go down to $8 tomorrow and I would celebrate. Celebrate with my cheese. My baked bread. My Monero.

>>62542513
We don't care about the exchange rate unless it's too high for entry or too low for meaningful transactions.

>>62542697
>They think this is some “investments” board
He cries on the business board while claiming '[entrepreneurship] is literally off topic' (>>62442955)

>>62542794
Hell yeah bro, agreed. Who needs to grow their wealth? That’s some mooncarrot shit. As long as my transaction of .00005 piconeros goes through, I haven’t a care in the world.

As an aside, I have no money and I need to send my children to a nigger infested public school, and I live in a box with no windows and no utilities. But my transaction went through, so it’s cool.

>>62542806
>My wealth can ONLY grow if my assets are worth more USD
The mindset of the one who claimed he'd not respond to me anymore.

Anyway, anyone find it weird how that guy and the one who uses AI 'art' to force the mooncarrot meme are never online at the same time?

>>62542829
>ONLY grow if my assets are worth more USD
Brooooo I know!! Those fucking retarded mooncarrots who think pricing things in the dominant currency of the world with quadrillions worth invested in said currency worldwide with every relevant asset you could ever need priced in that exact currency would have some semblance of an effect on their practical wealth on a day to day basis as it literally exists today in July 2026????? Those fucking retards. Fully agree my man

>>62542852
>The parallel economy can not exist goy

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>>62542697
If Monero dropped to $8 entrepreneurchads with profitable XMR side hustles would still keep making good money regardless.

This is what your feeble moonfag brain can't seem to comprehend.

Stay salty, Mav. You will never be rich.

>>62532387
>>62531871
>>62531578
>support@trocador.app
>@TrocadorSupportBot
contacted them 2 days after the issue and they sorted it out for me nicely, great customer service desu

>>62543270
Both Trocador and Hodlhodl are lifesavers in these ZOGGED times

>>62543696
I could see the amount I was supposed to sent is on the right address in ethscanner but it didn't go through automatically on Trocador because I sent eth via coinbase and they used smart contract something like that

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>>62521292
simple info graph for new view keys

>>62546601
Thanks anon, this will definitely come in handy

>>62546601
>did your privacy coin stop being private?
>just switch wallets
Thanks anon I'm really familiar with this process from having used zcash a lot. It's basically the same thing. Buy on transparent pool, switch to private pool. Cool!!1 Thanks :)

>>62546670
>Privacy is when I'm forced to keep every piece of data to myself

>I should be able to share my private keys without consequences
>this is the end of Monero

LMAO

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Hey look it's more details from someone that actually knows what they're talking about

https://safereddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1v97wrz/convince_me_on_why_carrot_view_keys_are_a_good/p0fe8br/

>>62547203
who sells xmr thats asking for these keys again?

>>62547312
Uh.....you know the one.....the exchange! The one that's waiting for the hard fork to start harvesting view keys!

>>62547461
Isn't that the one we secretly swore to use exclusively when it accepts us again because uhm money or something?

>>62547742
That's the one!
We're all going to be soooo rich AND compliant, lads!

>>62547461
>>62547742
You fucking mooncarrots make me sick. Openly gloating about the impending Binance and Coinbase relisting and the moon to $10,000 United States Federal Reserve Notes per Monero cryptocurrency.

If you want to hand over your view keys and audit Monero forever just to get your precious moon so be it. I will stay around and collect coins for the Monero Classic fork

>>62547827
Try false flagging harder retard

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>>62547827
>the impending Binance and Coinbase relisting
We're hitting TRUST ME, BRO levels that shouldn't even be possible.

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I might be retarded but I fucking hate carrots. They ruin the private purity.

>>62549903
>The main problem with CARROT is that I don't want to have to make two new wallets every time I buy from a CEX

You've always been advised to have 2 wallets when buying from a CEX to avoid EAE attacks. You can make 2 wallets every time if you wanted but that'd be OD.

>The other problem is being part of the reduced set of people doing this OBVIOUSLY because they have something to hide (in the eyes of normalfags), thus being unfairly targeted.

If you're using 2 wallets when buying from a CEX like you've always been advised to do, then no one will be able to tell where your coins went anyway. This will be especially true with FCMP since you won't have to mess around with waiting for x blocks to avoid decoy algorithm attacks, turning your coins, etc; one hop will be enough to make your outputs indistinguishable from all other outputs in the chain. All of this is assuming that the wallet you're using to interact with CEXs had it's view key shared/forced complied away from you/stolen/whatever the fuck

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Fact: current view-only wallets ('view keys') are BROKEN

This means that if you have a self-custody wallet (and since you're using Monero, you definitely do) and use a seperate (online) view-only wallet, that wallet's balance won't be properly synced and display the correct amount when having done spendings

Carrot fixes this technical bug
The only time when I was against carrot, was when i was deep in a ketamine schizo addiction. I continuously kept calling it 'introducing a regulatory mechanism into the monero protocol', which is BULLSHIT and makes me laugh

Sober now and adhering to Christ

This entire discussion feels weird and astroturfed on both sides.

>>62550532

It's almost like the goal of forcing this topic to be discussed ad nauseum across multiple platforms is to spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt

>>62550580
I fear these fucking mooncarrots are going to send Monero into an uncertain future, no doubt.

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>>62550532
A guy named Jeff is in charge. A year from now when the features are working as intended and no one was a fucking clue how but Jeff, it won’t matter once more.
https://github.com/jeffro256/carrot/blob/master/carrot.md

Users don’t understand the importance of the Carrot. Biz users don’t understand the importance of the Carrot. Niggers don’t understand the importance of Monero.
How could any of them?
>de' = ScalarDerive("Carrot sending key normal" || anchor' || input_context || Ksj' || pid')
Let De' = de' ConvertPointE(Kbase)
If De' == De, then jump to step 35
Let anchorsp = SecretDerive("Carrot janus anchor special" || De || input_context || Ko || kv)[:16]
If anchor' ≠ anchorsp, then ABORT
Return successfully!

>>62551074
Just eat your carrots and accept your moon.

Binance and Coinbase, here we come!

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>be Bitmain
>Have a history of both funding and causing contested hard forks when mining monopoly is being threatened
>Have history of selling ASICs to retail miners that they've spent months mining with
>Pic related
>Design a RISC-V 'ASIC' to mine Monero called the X5
>Design an even better version of this 'ASIC' called the X9
>Monero devs planning a hard fork that will include a slew of changes
>Among those changes is RandomX v2
>RandomX v2 will change the algorithm just enough to turn the X5 into a paperweight, and to cut the hashpower of the X9 by ~40% (https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20260121#c647726)
>Suddenly a mass of concerned citizens contesting the hard fork appears across all crypto spaces
>Vauge concerns about how the hard fork will vaguely ruin Monero
>Any refutations of said concerns are met with accusations of being feds/glowies/moonfags/etc
>There's no solution to the alleged problem
>Yet
>It's just the worst thing ever and must be fought against at all costs
>Meanwhile the X9's release is indefinitely delayed because reasons

If history rhymes then we're going to see a Monero Cash/Monero Carnivore/MonerOld/I'm running out of clever things to say here/etc fork that still runs RandomX v1 being shilled as TeH RaeL PiRvAcY CoiN by some Chinese influencer(s)

>>62553001
there was already a xmr classic but it's not even on coingecko anymore

>>62550282
How are they so different from the current viewkeys?

>>62553001
I am not affiliated with Bitmain nor any Asian. It’s funny watching Moneroids spiraling with increasingly bizarre conspiracy theories as I sit here, knowing full well that I am just a man, and my motivations are pure.

I only want private money. Mooncarrots? They want something else entirely

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>>62521292

DOT gives you more ownership than the same slice of XMR

>>62553120
How does it feel shilling a useless pedocoin?

>>62553113
If an auditor has your current view key
>They can see every time you've received an enote
>They can see every time you've spent an enote
>They can see your change being sent back to you, even if your change is zero
>If they also have Alice's view key, and you've sent/received enotes to/ from them, they can see enotes entering/leaving Alice's wallet and leaving/entering yours, and it'd be pretty easy to tell that Alice specifically sent/received an enote to/from you
>They can see your balance history if you also give them all your key images
>They will be able to tell if you didn't give them all your key images, or gave them malformed key images, which would land you in even more trouble
>If you don't want this to happen then don't share your view key with an auditor

After the hard fork, if an auditor has your full view key
>They can see every time you've received an enote
>They can see every time you've spent an enote
>They can see your change being sent back to you, even if your change is zero
>If they also have Alice's full view key, and you've sent/received enotes to/from them, they can see enotes entering/leaving Alice's wallet and leaving/entering yours, though with FCMP they couldn't prove that Alice specifically sent/received an enote to/from you
>They can see your balance history without having to upload key images
>They can tell if you give them a malformed full view key to get around this, which would land you in even more trouble
>You can claim that you're using a legacy address without a full view key, and the auditor will just request all your key images instead
>If you don't want this to happen then jokes on you; there's no possible way to just not share your view key with an auditor. If you don't do it the government will find you and force you to hand it over. It's the worst thing ever and Monero will never be the same after this

>>62553115
>my motivations are pure.
And those motivations are what, exactly?

>>62553115
>My motivations are pure
He says as he now accuses everyone not agreeing with him of being a moonfag while he celebrated moonfaggotry in the past (See >>62435326)
>I only want private money.
Funny thing to say when you repeatedly argued that you want grow your wealth, no matter the cost (See >>62542806, >>62438610 and many more)

>>62553220
>>If you don't want this to happen then jokes on you; there's no possible way to just not share your view key with an auditor. If you don't do it the government will find you and force you to hand it over. It's the worst thing ever and Monero will never be the same after this
I think you're not sarcastic enough here since the moonfags genuinely believe you already are deanonymized

I won a coupon code for 80$ off an item at a popular website and want to trade it for a $50-60 card to buy food. Most sites only allow to trade gift cards, does anyone know where I can find one for coupon codes? Or a site willing to throw me $50-60 xmr for it so I can get a gift card?

Are there currently xmr/btc pairs on any cex, respective "dex" with significant liquidity or are they purged respective are illiquid and irrelevant?
If yes, the timing might be right to kill the compromised crap that are buttcorns and launch an attack on a "state" that is even more weakened then in 2009

>>62522759
Uhhhhh
That's not good. Well fuck xmr if they actually pull that off. Shall die with buttcorn then

>>62554576
Bad news: view keys have always existed.
Making Monero CEX-compliant by forcing all their customers to turn over their view keys is possible right now. There's no need to wait for the hard fork to do this.
Worae news: CEXs wouldn't need your key images to effectively identify your true spends in the ring signature if they know what they're doing

Good news: you can jump ship right now because Monero is already CEX-compliant, at least in the sense that it comes with a view key that can effectively identify your true spends. Good luck!

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Here is something interesting and important to know

When looking at the Coinmarketcap top 100 list, we as human intuitively give the rankings a linear and equal value
Compare it to a car race result, where the finish-time difference between the #1 ranking down to #20 would be largely linear

In crypto's MCAP share, the ranking difference is GIGANTIC; look at this graph (and note XMR)

This basically means that climbing from #20 to #5 is negligible, the only real measure is who's capable of capturing Bitcoin's MCAP
And Monero stands are the most powerful candidate to do so

>>62554951
Jump ship? Crapto was abandoned the moment so called "devs" and "labs" went full on licking the boot to become the newest addition to a since 40 years bankrupt ponzi scheme around boomers mindlessly dumping liquidity into ponzi papers, they now want to cash out and greater fools getting rare.
Xmr might have been interesting if it remained non compliant and divorced from the elder ponzi, but as it looks like crapto as a whole failed the test. Can die with the ponzinomy

>>62555481
>Xmr might have been interesting if it remained non compliant

Can you please point to the part in the code that forces you to comply with any laws that you don't want to follow?

>>62555481
The laws are on CEXes though. They are the ones who are compliant because they have laws for their compliance.

>>62555545
If a law abidding (pension) fund has the regulatory option to hold and asset, the asset automatically becomes worthless, because it is now tied to the regulatory frame work of a failed state. You are of course free to remain a loyalist and a fool, but the sensible thing is to defect

>>62557354
>Ctrl+f "If a law abidding (pension) fund has the regulatory option to hold and asset, the asset automatically becomes worthless, because it is now tied to the regulatory frame work of a failed state. You are of course free to remain a loyalist and a fool, but the sensible thing is to defect"
>0 results found in monero-project/monero

I'm struggling to find this in the code. Help a brotha out?

>>62557520
>hahah I used the 2010s ctrl + f joke
>hahah I totally win the argument
xmr WAS apparently not able until now to satisfy the AML, KYC and anti money laundering regulations, which made it impossible for elder ponzi companies and pyramid corporations to have it on its books. If that changes it is possible to draft regulations and enact them so xmr can be on their books and, same as buttcorn, gets integrated into the greater ponzi and loses all its value.

Do you mooncarrots see all the problems you’re causing?

People clearly do not want VIEW KEYS that enable Monero to reenter the dying system. We spent years trying to differentiate from it. Now you betray everything just to get back on Binance. Shame on you >>62555545 >>62553316 >>62553227 >>62553001

>>62557601
>People don't want thing that they already have
Ok? Just don't use it then

>>62557532
>apparently
>until now
>>62557601
>People clearly do not want VIEW KEYS that enable Monero to reenter the dying system

Lol. I'm not the one that thinks view keys allow Monero to be listed on CEXs. Since the start of the thread I've been pointing out that the reasons people think CARROT will magically make Monero compliant are all applicable today, and have been since the genesis block.

>>62557733
>I'm not the one that thinks view keys allow Monero to be listed on CEXs.
And I’m not the only one who can have his motivations questioned or be accused of lying. You’re a mooncarrot. We can all see it.

I like Monero

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>>62558341
>We can all see it.
Fuck off, Mav, there is no "we" here. Increasingly problematic Monero usage means XMR simply isn't getting relisted on CEXs regardless of CARROT, governments have no interest in making it easier for plebs to access unregulated/untaxable markets or for enterprising criminals to cash out with fewer roadblocks. Illicit usage as always been the issue here, not compliance per se, you fucking numbskull.

And as mentioned, you're in a position to profit handsomely from all this by placing a bet accordingly on Polymarket. As per your "prediction" that:

>Later this year, when FCMP/CARROT is implemented, Monero will quickly pump to the $2,000 range.
>Shortly afterwards, major exchanges will begin relisting.

the bet thus becomes a simple YES/NO proposition:

>Will Monero be relisted on major CEXs like Binance and Coinbase soon (lets say within 3 months) after the relevant hardfork?

If you're right, its literally the easiest money you'll ever score. All you gotta do is place the bet and reap the inevitable rewards, genius. But you won't put an appropriately fat stack where your mouth is precisely because you know full well you're pushing a utterly bullshit hype narrative just like every other scummy crypto moonfag out there does when desperately seeking a pump.

>>62558518
I don’t care what you think about me, my “narrative”, or my Polymarket betting strategy. I’m not the one trying to CHANGE MONERO to get a cheap pump off relistings and liquidity.

>Mav
We have completely different writing styles. Give it a rest.

>>62525288
why was the usdt frozen?

>>62559324
>I’m not the one trying to CHANGE MONERO to get a cheap pump off relistings and liquidity.

You have yet to show the class any practical difference between current view keys and full view keys in the eyes of an exchange/auditor/whatever.
You also haven't shown the class that exchanges would be able to hoard 99% of the supply, especially when they don't even have this with bitcoin: https://www.coinglass.com/Balance

>>62559324
>I’m not the one trying to CHANGE MONERO to get a cheap pump off relistings and liquidity.
Funny thing to say for a confirmed moonfag who ONLY believes in ngu

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>>62559324
>I don’t care what you think about me, my “narrative”, or my Polymarket betting strategy
Called it! You will talk the talk but won't actually walk the walk and profit handsomely. How predictably full of shit thou art.

>I’m not the one trying to CHANGE MONERO to get a cheap pump off relistings and liquidity.
Forced meme is forced.

>We have completely different writing styles. Give it a rest.
Nice try, Mav. You're pushing literally the exact same bullshit OH NOES, MONERO IS INEVITABLY GETTING RELISTED SOON, DAMMIT (BUT WILL PUMP BIGLY ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ) hype narrative here and elsewhere. $5000 lol

Your legendary stupidity just keeps on shining through.

>>62561864
I’d rather be a moonfag than a mooncarrot. Luckily I’m neither. I just love private money :)

>>62562669
>mav is the only person who can have this opinion.
Not true actually! It’s very obvious we have different communication styles. If you can’t see that, I’m pretty sure you have autism. Would explain a lot of things.

>I just love private money
>I know! I'm going to FUD the most significant upgrade in Monero's history!

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>>62562981
>Not true actually! It’s very obvious we have different communication styles. If you can’t see that, I’m pretty sure you have autism. Would explain a lot of things.
Holy misdirection, Batman!

You're clearly stupid enough to believe that insisting "Its just a coincidence, bro!" is going to work. Mav confirmed.

>>62562981
>Luckily I’m neither.
>>62438610, >>62521322, >>62522698
Liar liar pants on fire.
Also this to see how inconsistent you are >>62522751

>>62522902
If you want to buy XMR as an investment, pay taxes on the gains, and get the money transferred to your bank account so you can spend it in the real world, why wouldn’t you use a CEX?

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>>62565126
You're more than welcome to do this, but you have to trust the CEX to accept your XMR and give you fiat for it. This is not always as simple as it sounds, even if you follow all the rules and regulations imposed by the CEX/government

>>62565126
>If you want to buy XMR as an investment, pay taxes on the gains, and get the money transferred to your bank account so you can spend it in the real world, why wouldn’t you use a CEX?
You always run the risk of getting caught in a KYC loop ("we require more information") or even getting your funds frozen. This is especially true for privacy coins since they arouse the greatest amount of suspicion and scrutiny and are liable to trigger any number of arbitrary red flags.

Using a CEX = playing Russian Roulette these days. Good luck with that.

>>62565126
Centralization is still bad and you don't need to KYC yourself to pay taxes. I hope you're not asking me how you can turn XMR into fiat.
Why would you give up your anonymity, privacy and freedom if it isn't required? Why are you even investing in XMR if you don't believe in any of these?

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are you niggas still arguing about carrot? If the exchange forces you to share view keys, just send it to another wallet. Just say you bought a computer from your friend or something, or you donated it
The view keys are broken. they were always meant to be fixed in the way that carrot fixes them. This isn't bitcoin where we just leave shit broken forever to appease the 1% of picrel curmudgeons who veto any hard fork

>>62565126
Because the information is out there and the rules can change at any time. Some leftoid or rightoid politician could raise the capital gains tax or ban crypto or use it as a basis to sabotage you or whatever. I say this as someone who uses some centralized exchanges. Even though this is unlikely, it compromises the vision of permissionless money, so it erodes the value of monero in the long run to the extent that it could happen.

So we should all try to use monero in the most bulletproof way. Anything less is a bear signal for monero and crypto in general.

>>62566944
>just send it to another wallet
Exactly bro. It’s so simple. Everyone is familiar with this process from having used zcash so often. Couldn’t be simpler.

Monero is private. You just might have to change wallets sometimes in case an auditor is tracking everything you do. :)

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Hi.
If you're running a Monero service and reading this thread, I have a very important message that is more important than retardation over view keys.

STOP USING FUCKING TELEGRAM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SIGNAL REQUIRES A PHONE NUMBER TOO AND IT ISN'T RUN BY A GUY WHO'S GETTING HIS ASSHOLE TUNNELED INTO BY EVERY GOVERNMENT EVER. STOP MAKING ME USE TELEGRAM. LITERALLY IRC IS BETTER BECAUSE AT LEAST THE FEDS DON'T NECESSARILY OWN THE SERVER. EVEN BETTER. XMPP. MATRIX. YOU CAN RUN A MATRIX BOT. MATRIX WORKS FINE. SIGNAL CAN RUN BOTS TOO. STOP MAKING ME USE FUCKING TELEGRAM. GET A SECOND SUPPORT ACCOUNT. IF ALL OF CRYPTO JUMPED OFF A BRIDGE AND INTO THE FEDS ARMS WOULD YOU TOO? NO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ON MONERO. STOP USING TELEGRAM. YOU KNOW WHY YOU HEAR ABOUT ALL THESE HACKERS USING TELEGRAM? BECAUSE THEY GET POPPED BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WATCHES TELEGRAM BECAUSE CONVERSATIONS AREN'T ENCRYPTED UNLESS YOU SET THEM TO BE WHICH YOU NEVER ARE. ALL YOUR SHIT IS LOGGED IF YOU USE TELEGRAM. STOP USING TELEGRAM. EVEN IF YOU ARE USING A BOUGHT TELEGRAM AND NOT YOUR REAL PHONE NUMBER YOU'RE STILL GETTING LOGGED AND YOU JUST DON'T HAVE TO BE LOGGED. YOU COULD BE USING ANY NUMBER OF E2E SERVICES. STOP USING TELEGRAM. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. PLEASE STOP.

Thank you.

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>>62566944
>are you niggas still arguing about carrot?
Nobody is actually arguing, Mav is just using carrot FUD as a plot device for his retarded ZOMG COMPLIANT XMR $5000 PUMP SOON storyline. Typical low IQ moonfag material, pay no mind.

>>62554492
The only post in this thread that matters

>>62565682
So what’s the alternative if you want to exchange XMR for fiat? Meeting IRL or cash in the mail seems like Russian Roulette as well.

>>62568139
>No goyim you can only use a CEX

>>62568139
If you dont have at least small friend group of gnostic people with whom you can trade anything you will not survive this plane for whats on the horizon

>>62568930
>Gnostics
>Being so anti-establishment that they're in XMR
Why would they hate what they constructed?

>>62554492
Your best bet for this is xmrbazaar. There are places that will buy your coupons if you type 'sell coupon codes for crypto' into a search engine, but I've never used them

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>>62521292
I've been out of the frame for quite some time.

Is XMR still the only proper cryptocurrency? i.e. the only crypto that's actually untraceable and used by criminals and the like? or are there other 'privacy coins' now that are better or at least providing some genuine competition to XMR?

I know this isn't exactly an unbiased place to ask, but try to be impartial. Thanks.

>>62570343
ZCash is the only competitor and it's purely because it's privacycucked so it can be listed more places. Everything else is, unfortunately, FOTM memecoin shit. Criminals use BTC because it's Bitcoin, stablecoins (especially USDT) because they're stablecoins, and XMR because it's XMR. I haven't really seen anything else that has as big a market except for stuff like Tornado Cash.

>>62566944
>just send it to another wallet.
You mean the thing we're supposed to do to mitigate EAE attacks? Cool, that means nothing changes on our end.

>>62570351
Privacycucked and pushed by jews!

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Sorry taxman I lost all my Bitcoin in a coldcard accident.
Oh you have evidence someone swapped it all for monero?
Darn I hope that hacker is caught!

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>ZCash is the only competitor
This would imply ZEC is actually out there competing. It ain't. Nobody actually uses Zcash just like nobody actually uses BTC or anything else other than XMR and select stablecoins. Hoarding isn't using no matter how much delusional baggies insist otherwise.

Unlike ZEC, BTC, etc, Monero is consistently and increasingly used as p2p digital cash for the unregulated exchange of real goods and services, it has real, organic demand that isn't wholly dependent on pie-in-the-sky hype narratives that slick market manipulators feed to gullible speculators as they slurp up exit liquidity.

In short, Monero is the only coin with genuine staying power, the only coin that we can be very certain will survive the coming Cryptopocalypse simply by virtue of all that growing non-speculative demand. Shoppers still be shopping, yo.

So now would be an optimal moment to start entrepreneurmaxxing: sell valuable goods or services, gradually establish a satisfied and therefore growing customer base and always be profiting no matter the price.

Stop being moonCARROTs

Dumb question about the view key debacle. The discussion is always about an auditor wanting your view keys, but how are you even getting audited in the first place, how does the auditor know that you have XMR and that an specific wallet is actually yours?

stay strong XMR chads
the light is near

>>62571243
An example would be where one is getting xmr from a cex like kraken sent to their wallet.

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>>62571339

>>62571243
Good job, that's the precise problem the fudders have. Their fear mongering only works when you're already deanonymized

>>62571243
>an auditor
While this is central to the anti-mooncarrot position it isn’t the only problem.

Yes, giving your view keys to an auditor (aka a CEX in the vast majority of cases) is a problem as it allows your activity to be tracked plus the creation of contextual networks that work to deanonymize Monero overall.

The second order effect of that is the existence of normies. Because 99% of people are retarded, as Monero gets added to CEXes that means that 99% of Monero transactions are now adding to the contextual network mentioned above. You have now a network full of deanonymized transactions because normies want to have the simplest UX and don’t understand why people are saying they should to be using platforms that are harder to use than Coinbase.

The THIRD order effect is that having Monero on CEXes necessarily ties it to the underlying economy of the dying world order. We know full well that economic attacks on Monero are used to undermine interest in the coin and suppress its value as a legitimate money that people can live on. By adding it to CEXes, you by extension add it to funds, financial products and instruments, and allow Monero’s future to be inextricably linked to the market action of the dying empire. These agorists pretend that their ability to transact alone is the only thing necessary to maintain Monero as money. Because they lack a systems oriented perspective, they don’t understand that listing Monero on CEXes is tantamount to an economic nuclear bomb that transfers the fate of Monero over to, essentially, the Federal Reserve. Total surrender to the Dollar.

Any argument against the anti-CARROT position must address ALL THREE of these issues. But the moonCARROTs can’t do that because they know their update will allow re-listings. They don’t care because they want that juicy pump.

>>62571870
>the juicy pump
measured in the dying tokens of the dying empires.
Abandoning crapto altogether and going full on shorting civilization 3 years ago was the best decision I made in my life. Getting in on the top, with the bottom 200 - 500 years down the road

>>62571899
How did you short civilization

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>>62571870
Oh look, the certified moron is trying his hand at reverse psychology and failing miserably. How predictable lol

At this point just ignore these delusional ramblings and feast on his greatest hits instead:

>I’m fucking tired of this. Tired of losing money. Tired of the lack of urgency of anyone here. Tired of people resisting simple things like marketing the coin. Tired of people saying that financial gain is irrelevant. Tired of people accusing others of being moonboys. Tired of libertarians and agorists being the voice of the coin.

>Tired of being a niche currency when it has incredible potential. Tired of watching scams like ZEC make its holders richer. Tired of these threads barely staying alive for months because someone posts “I’m Satoshi” every other day. Tired of the attacks, whether selfish mining or the threat of bugs or FUD or destroying exchange/swap liquidity.

>Tired of waiting for FCMP. Tired of pretending like it will matter significantly. Tired of acting like I think this will ever go mainstream. Tired of being controlled by the wake of BTC price movements. Tired of waiting for fucking Russian or Chinese dark markets to discover XMR and stop being retarded with stablecoins. Tired of the bots, especially ZEC ones. Tired of being tied to the development activities of like barely 10 people and essentially betting on their talent and success. Tired of many XMR people regularly talking about “other privacy coins” on their shows. Tired of having to continually push my time horizon even further into the future for when this project actually achieves real growth and value for my time.

>I’m tired of being tired.

Post more retarded price predictions, ya dummy, its getting slow in here. $10K EOY?

>>62571941
Pathetic mooncarrot with zero mental model for other people. Pure autistic nonsense cringe

>>62571948
>Monero is the crypto equivalent of the sovereign citizen movement and we are all being left in the fucking dust. How can you be so ignorant?

>Where are the whales manipulating the price higher? Where are the chads fighting the Jews shorting us? There are MAYBE 10 decent Twitter accounts trying to fight the entire horde of zcash paid shills.

>If this was a real movement don’t you think you would be surrounded by better people? I look around and apart from literally one the MRL, the only people I see are cringe anarchist/lolbertarian fags/people worshipping this made up crap called agorism.

>In ANY OTHER CONTEXT these people would be easily ignorable, obvious cringe losers. But Monero had some compelling arguments and good points about other privacy coins being shit, so it seemed worth turning over the stone and seeing what was on the other side.

>What was on the other side? Cringe faggots who will happily stay poor forever as long as they don’t violate some economic principle they invented in their head. Fucking LOSER behavior.

>>62571921
Rolling over shorts on energy and loading more shorts on top during artificial peaks

>>62571963
>>62571948

>>62546601
Moneroid mooncarrots LITERALLY believe that a government being able to see that you spent exactly 0.2639472163 XMR isn’t a deanonymizing transaction.

Your spend amount becomes your unique ID, retards.

>>62571339
I'm always happy to see that you're still with us, brother. How goes it?

>>62571243
>how are you even getting audited in the first place, how does the auditor know that you have XMR and that an specific wallet is actually yours?
The hypothetical CEX in question that you're buying/XMR on, which already has your name, address, age, phone number, email, and photo id can also request the view key of the wallet that you're withdrawing to/depositing from.

That's it. That's the "debacle"

>>62571870
Name one privacy coin that is immune to having view keys harvested by a malicious third party

>>62567454
Monero is opt-out privacy. If you opt out by giving someone your view key, then you have to opt back in.
You act like it is some sort of nebulous up-in-the air thing. It's pretty simple. if an exchange or something forces you to hand over your view keys, you treat that intermediary account as if the exchange can see it, because they can. It's not unlike how the exchanges can see everything you are doing on their centralzied database before you pull your coins out. The worst case is that the barrier of where the exvhange ends and your wallet begins moves one step over, while the usability of monero massively improves due to better view keys

Not to mention that they could accomplish the same thing now by telling you on a regular basis to sweep your funds to another wallet, wait N blocks, and then give up your secret keys for the old wallet. Thats really no different than a view key and is supported by the current architecture
>>62570520
EAE will be fixed in FCMP++

>>62572541
>You act like it is some sort of nebulous up-in-the air thing.
He's not arguing in good faith, its all concern trolling. Just ignore.

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>>62571870

All three of these things were addressed in the OP image that you clearly didn't read.

>If you don't want to provide access when a third party is asking/demanding it from you, it'll always end up as a human problem. It's out of scope of Monero. The current technology has all of the issues you claim and it's fundamental to how the cryptography works, not being feasible to change.

>auditor
>CEX
>Coinbase
>normies
>people
>funds
>economy
>market
>empire
>Federal Reserve
>world order

These are all humans. You solve problems caused by humans with other humans, not cryptography. Pic related

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$100k EOY 2030

>>62572741
>hurr durr cryptography
Do you have any idea how old and stale this fucking argument is? Incidentally it’s exactly what the Bitcoiners and the Zcashers say. Muh cryptography muh code. Show me the line of code heheheh

Fuck you.

Neither your post nor any of the ones you’re referencing acknowledge the fact that YOUR problems come from other humans as well. The problems with CARROT are inherently and inescapably human, and no amount of code or cryptography resolves them.

What is a contextual network in the realm of blockchain analysis? The reality that OTHER HUMANS intentionally allow themselves to be tracked by CEXes and thereby reduce YOUR effective privacy by their stupidity.

What is a financial network? The interdependencies created by the economic power of OTHER HUMANS relative to the ability for your particular asset to function as it should.

This is why your pithy appeals to code make absolutely no sense in 2026. They sounded like an intelligent conversation-ender in 2015, but now they’re just retarded.

How do you resolve the fact that retards will share their view keys with Coinbase and create a massive contextual web of Monero transactions? Where is the “line of code” that resolves that?

How do you resolve the fact that CARROT allows massive CEXes, market makers and eventually institutions to own Monero and therefore have full financial control over the ultimate fate of the coin? What “line of code” handles that error? Faggot.

>>62573659
>The problems with CARROT are inherently and inescapably human

So you admit that your FUD has nothing to do with Monero or CARROT, but humans? Cool.

Now admit that all the problems you're bringing up are relevant today with any privacy coin that enable view-only modes (all of them).

>>62571346
>>62571870
>>62572349
>SEXes having your info or having the info of people that willingly give it to them
Ok if this is the problem then how does it differ from current view keys, especially the part where people can willingly doxx themselves and build a deanon network vs an anon network? It sounds the solution would be to have something that can't be deanonymized even if you try to doxx yourself, and I'm not sure how that would even be possible

>>62573851
>Ok if this is the problem then how does it differ from current view keys, especially the part where people can willingly doxx themselves and build a deanon network vs an anon network?
Practically none

>It sounds the solution would be to have something that can't be deanonymized even if you try to doxx yourself, and I'm not sure how that would even be possible
There's no current mathematical solution to the Byzantine Cuckolds Problem that XL+ANrSj is presenting AFAICT, but who knows what the future holds

>>62571870
>Auditor can track you
No
>Auditor can deanonymize you
Also no
>Normies
Are harder to coerce into something when they easier option is more widely available and well known. They also have no interest in XMR yet, once they do they won't interest in a CEX.
>XMR on CEX = dependence on existing economy
Best point so far but still wrong because the dependence on the existing economy is solely determined by how small the parallel economy is.

Fuck off, moonfag

Ah what the fuck tradeogre is kill, that's what I used to use to swap to/from XMR
What do people use in this the year of our lord 2026

>>62574185
Trocador
Retoswap
Any exchange listed in https://monero.eco/exchanges/

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>>62534773

Almost 380

https://peertube.futo.org/videos/watch/dc0470dd-2624-4ac7-88cd-83f4a4f1fb18?isPeertubeContent=1
15:00
>so we have this convoluted system we host to donate to us anonymously where we don't know who it is exactly that donated
>don't accept monero donations
Are they dumb? Do they not know that already exists?

crab coin

OP too long, where can I buy gift cards to redeem sars?

>>62575250
https://coincards.com/
https://cakepay.com/

>>62575764
Ty

>>62575764
Tried this and ended up in circular maze of emails. Lost $150 USD on XMR with no gift card.

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>>62572316
hanging in there my friend

>>62573823
>your FUD has nothing to do with Monero or CARROT, but humans?
My so-called “FUD” is a practical criticism based on the actual events in the real world. A difficult concept for agorists, to be sure. But a very real and important thing nonetheless.

>>62573851
> the solution would be to have something that can't be deanonymized even if you try to doxx yourself, and I'm not sure how that would even be possible
We can start by not making deanonymization easier. It should be very difficult to build a network of linked Monero transactions. Difficult as in you literally have to manually find and assemble the network without any assistance from Monero itself. That’s the current state. It’s practically extremely difficult to build a Monero contextual network because it basically requires a million people to upload screenshots.

CARROT changes this by literally HELPING auditors build the tracking network. A handy dandy export tool that shows all of your transactions. It completely eliminates the practical barriers to entry of making a system like this possible. Why should we? Oh for hardware wallets that are obviously compromised anyway. Thanks guys.

>>62574067
> Fuck off, moonfag
Fuck off, mooncarrot

>>62572298
No one has even tried to address this by the way (because they can’t).

>>62577697
The subjective difficulty in building this network is irrelevant when your whole "practical criticism" is based on having users assisting auditors with building the network by providing access to private view keys.

>>62572298
>No one has even tried to address this by the way
Because no one has tried to make this claim, retard.

Pumping!

>>62577697
>My so-called “FUD” is a practical criticism based on the actual events in the real world
You mean something that never happened? lol

>CEXs wont relist
>CEX new listing doesnt pump anything anymore
>DEXs will list easily with new features(soon)
what are we even fighting about here?
price is $400, go fucking buy something before its $300 again

>>62577965
P-“pumping”? I don’t get it. What do you mean? Pumping in United States Federal Reserve Notes (“$”)? HAHA. Only mooncarrots care about that.

>>62578856
>before its $300 again
Agreed. Every “pump” of Monero ultimately fails. And that’s a good thing!! I hate these United States Federal Reserve Notes (“$”). I don’t want ANY of them these disgusting fiat currencies. I prefer it when I have fewer of them. So forget $300, let’s look forward to Monero being $3!

>>62578856
>we
It's just one retard shitting up the thread with his "criticism"

>>62578953
>that’s a good thing!
it is. buy $100 worth of xmr and trade it for coffee and ket when its worth $180
i will never trade my xmr for fiat

>>62578983
This. It's the saddest fud campaign I saw so far. Even in the last thread it seemed more natural

it's over

>>62580320
based monerochan vacationposter

>>62580320
Booba

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Imagine, if you will, fully automated AI powered ransomware (it's coming: https://openai.com/index/hugging-face-model-evaluation-security-incident/ ) . The only thing they could possibly use? Monero. We WILL gigapump