It's become obvious I'm going to have to get back in the wage cage as I'm just not having any great success with stocks or options as of late. My college degree is evidently not going to help me all that much so I was looking to go back to college. I'm simply wondering how rigid are the requirements for work in the Computer Science (CS) field? Would just an AS be good enough or do I need to go through the trouble of getting a BS? I'm not looking for some hard & high paying job at Google, just something that pays a nice $100k or more with just a few years of experience. And when I say few, I mean under 5 years work experience.>inb4 people sayings its too late>inb4 people claiming $100k is too demandingDon't care it's the only field I have a chance in and I know decent paying one's exist.
>>62549345you are like 10-15 years too late for cs.
>>62549345If you can't make it in the greatest bull market the US has ever seen, then you definitely aren't gonna make it in CS.
>he thinks college lands you a job
It's too late anonLLMs are not gonna replace every developerBut it has already replaced junior devs and interns> t. Senior dev
>>62549427How are you gonna replace senior devs when there's no junior devs?
>>62549431That's a big issueBut a company is not gonna hire a junior dev just because it will need a senior one in 7 years
>>62549436short sighted nigs will fall flat on their face
>>62549436Maybe universities will make an 8 year program where you graduate as a senior developer.
>>62549431you replace them with AI once it is good enough, like next year or so.
>>62549369Fpfp
>>62549487the problem with ai isn't that it's not good enough at coding to replace senior devs, it's that it can't play golf and buy clients drinks.
Shoot I'm 29 and trying to decide how I get out of programming. There's no way this wonderful free ride lasts. Had a convenient decade since graduating but I can tell they're going to get rid of me at some point. Back to fucking school? Try and work in healthcare? I think CS is a dead end for the merely okay and below right now.
>>62549635if you worked a decade in CS and dumped into global index fund, you already retired
>>62549635Same, I now hate working in an office and sitting all dayI wish I could find something else with a comparable salary but I cannotI'm making a videogame to try and escape this hell, but it will probably have 20 downloads total (10 from friends)
>>62549644That would have been very smart of me but obviously I didn't make the right decisions for that. Instead I have >Whatever is in my 401k (never check it) >A bit over $200,000 in liquid cash between my checking account and stock brokerage retail account >Paid-off condo that charges just under 1200 a month in management fees inc property taxes >Car>Enormous medical costs for cancer treatment which will fuck me the moment I lose insurance Frankly I had always felt like I was doing way better than average like I had all the time and money in the world, but only up until I got sick. The last year made me realize how vulnerable and dependent you really are on an enormous Corporation voluntarily choosing to not fire you, all these wonderful lifestyle features would turn to smoke when the Aetna card turns off. And obviously that would be the case in any industry, CS is just under the massive current hiring pressures where managers are asking "how many juniors can Claude REALLY replace? How about mid tenure guys?" where they've been constantly chomping on the layoff bit.
>>625493692 + 2 = 1, in the field of real numbers modulo 3
>>62549345dunno about 100k, depends on country, in USA is low, in poor part of Europe is highas for "too late" it's just idiot anons
>>62549345>college in 2027Do people really?
>>62549345Get a job in cybersecurity, specifically in regards to AI. There's going to be a shit ton of companies at risk with AI doing all of their coding work.
>>62549644This. If I had one of those 6 figure CS jobs I'd already have retired by now. I wouldn't have to take such high risk investments to make returns better than the median annual wage.>>62550288USA, I know in Europe the pay is terrible and can be around $50k maybe even lower depending on the country. I had a shitty office job paying me around that. Seems I'm not getting help here, just gonma assume their gatekeeping.>>62550317Mmm idk that sounds like a higher responsiblity type job. I just want one where I can clock in, clock out, and not worry some tiny screw up will get me fired or them demanding I come in on the weekend. Thanks though.
>>62550503>$50k maybe even lower depending on the country.50.000?!? I earned around 1.700€ at month when this job was in demand back in 2018/2019 and I have a Bachelor's in CS + a Master's in mathematics and a post-graduate research program in operational research. And I was working for a bank, not for some stupid web dev shop.I earn more now (~2.000€) teaching high school kids math working only in the morning and having a lot of free time during the summer.
>>62551805> I earned around 1.700€ at month when this job was in demand back in 2018/2019What country?
>>62551812North Italy.
>>62551813Dann I didn't think you guys had it that badFrance is very close and has higher wages, and Switzerland has much much higher ones
I'd not hire any recent CS grad since I can't trust any of them to not have done all their work with a chatbot.
>>62551805bro thats brutal. we have a guy here (germany) at work he is from iraq. no english, no education, no apprenticeship, no bachelor degree all he can do is solder and do a little bit of assembly and he earns like 2700€ per month. really sad to hear how big the difference is despite you guys having the same cost of living on top of all the education you got.
>>62551829>>62551867This country basically runs on old money. I was lucky enough to inherit a little something from my family (estates, possessions, etc.) and to have landed a low demanding job that allows me to maintain my financial situation intact. But yeah, it's very rough to start from scratch.
>>62549345Just to pile on you here with everyone else, this is like a career change idea from 2014, genuinely.A huge chuck of the 'excitement' around AI is its potential to make large swathes of well-paid employees redundant. That's literally what it's for. And you want to put yourself right in the firing line?
>>62551951itt: career advice from neets
Piggy backing off of OP I'm going back to major in MIS I think. What did everyone else study?I have no expectations, I just want to sit on my ass all day, I love offices
>>62550503>Seems I'm not getting help here, just gonma[sic] assume their gatekeepingwhat do you expect anon? some sort of magic easy way into a 100k plus salary in a field that is currently experiencing one of if not the biggest paradigm shifts in modern history with literally no experience? in this job market senior devs are applying for positions they are far over qualified for. some variation of this exact question gets posted on plebbit, forums, and imageboards generally 1000x a day and you cant even be arsed to dig around and see if any replies to the already existing posts help point you in a helpful direction?
>>62549345thanks for the laugh OP
>>62549345Don’t waste your time and do literally anything else instead.The door for non-traditional CS students unironically shut back in 2018. In 2026 even CS majors from MIT and Caltech struggle to find jobs that aren’t shitty 996 startup grinds that pay like garbage.Naturally you won’t listen, and I’m looking forward to your follow-up post a couple years from now where you graduate unemployed and blame everyone else for not being able to find a job.
>>62551951I mean if AI pans out then my investments will make me wealthy. It's either>go back to college for ~2.5 years and get the BS in Computer Science>neet for 2-3 years and hope AI stocks pump so hard my investments get me to $300k networth (level at which making money is so easy I can neet off it)>get a low paying job where the expectation is I will be a wagie until old ageI don't have any other options where my skill set has any odds.>>62553672Even so I have no other options at this point. It's either accept being the guy in the office who fetches stuff or the guy doing call center work. Or if I don't want to wage in an office I can bag groceries, flip burgers, or pick up boxes. Those are the majority of options I have, all low paying of course.
>>62549345I’m prepared to go down with the ship
>>62554476how can you easily make money with a 300k networth? just living off SPY orw hatever? thtas only 25k a year
>>62554476If open weight models like Kimi K3 win, your stocks wont be worth shit and you will be still out of job.Be reasonable anon, the people in this thread are trying to help you. Listen to them
>>62549345I would recommend you use search function.Topic closed.
>>62549345The only reason I attend college at this point is to leech off a government grant and make some money from an internship program I have upcomming although it only lasts a couple of months and I probably won't get hired after im done getting my degree because they'll find a jeet AI prompt monkey who will work for pennies. I find it easy enough to get good grades since I personally enjoy CS but I understand that its kind of futile now. Could become a freelancer or videogame dev idk. I hear that the demand for back-end devs is less saturated and faces less competition compared to front-end roles.>>62550317This. Ive had cybersecurity floating in the back of my head for a while now but it does sound like a job with a lot of responsibility involved.Cybersecurity and back-end positions seem like more safe career options in terms of competition but they require you to handle critical data meaning one fuck tiny fuck up could get you the boot.
>>62549431>hire mundeep>he gets 8 of his cousins hired from India>his cousins get 64 cousins>lim->inf>company product fails>company goes bankrupt>company bailed out by printed money >you pay for their failures and also their presence, and they replace your jobs too>gg no re, thanks for playing
>>62551933>This country basically runs on old money. I was lucky enough to inherit a little something from my family (estates, possessions, etc.) and to have landed a low demanding job that allows me to maintain my financial situation intact. But yeah, it's very rough to start from scratch.how would an American with $800k liquid do coming over there to quit tech and restart? Citizen through descent
Without 5+ years experience youre looking at 50-60k
>>62555147There are actually a lot of Americans with your same background (ie early retirement) here where I live (rural tuscany/center italy) but I guess a lot of them have a lot of money and have citizenship by descent. Also, keep in mind that while real estates cost significantly less than US, you'd still need around 200k/300k to buy the typical old farmhouse/villa kind of house you have in mind (and then pay for renovations). I know a family who relocated here from Texas and the husband had worked in the IT sector since the early 90s (once mentioned YCombinator, among others), so they really have a lot of money. Finally, learning the local language is a must.
>>62549345Originally, when I made it and stopped working, my plan was to use my free time to study CS. For just in case if I ever have to get back into the workforce without going back to my old career in healthcare. I'm glad it was already obvious that skill is useless with the advent of AI. I've been learning Spanish, chess, and options trading instead.
>>62555269>Leaving healthcare Antiredpill me on this one please, anon. I'm currently a middling tech worker and I often think about, if I get laid off, going straight into a two year program to become a Physical Therapy assistant. It's way lower pay but I've gotten true help from physical therapists before and it seems like a respectable enough way to make money while actually helping people, plus Claude can't do it. How wrong am I for thinking that Healthcare is potentially the Last Job?
>>62555407It was the last career field until our government decided to go scorched earth on Medicaid. Now for the first time in US history the medical field is in a major bubble brought on by insurers. It's fucked, everything is fucked. Many people will lose their jobs in this upcoming market crash including healthcare workers. But there are some good bits of knowledge to have in case shtf. In ten years from the time you read this post the entire job market will be entirely leaned out, one way or another. After all this is another plan to get what they want. They want ultimate control over all human life on this planet.
>>62549345niceim thinking of going back to school for vcr repairi think it'll work out :D
>>62549436>But a company is not gonna hire a junior dev just because it will need a senior one in 7 yearsthis is nigger tier future planning kek
>>62549345I'm doing CS right now and I wouldn't hire myself lol, Claude does all my homework and my internship was nothing but asking Opus to implement x bug fix or y feature without me really understanding what i'm doing
by the time you finish a CS degree, AI will have gotten infinitely better, the entire AI run only began 3 years ago, less time than a degree takes to get, and AI only started getting coding tools like 2 years ago, what will it be able to do in 4 when you graduate?
>>62554497Wheeling. Sell covered calls on stocks you seriously believe in maintaining their value while not being stocks that move erratically. Can generate decent money but depends from stock to stock.>$300k>wheel the stock>make ~15% a year>$45k pretaxDecent for a shut in. I obviously want more but that is an option if I don't want to wage. Realistically I'd rather have $500k, enough to wheel with some and take risks with other parts of the cash pile in hopes of growing my networth at an accelerated rate.>>62559400Kek I expected that. Makes me think right now may be the best time just to get through the classes faster. I know enough guys who've said CS in college is not the same as CS on the job. May as well take 6-8 classes in one go and power through and finish it all in 1.5 years. Reduces my expenses too.
